Dale: Hi Rich. Rich Drushel: Hi Dale, just got in a little early today. Dale: So did you meet with HLM/GMK yet? Rich Drushel: Not yet...turned out that George was out of town for 2 weeks and not due in until last weekend sometime. Herman and I tentatively scheduled this Saturday night, assuming that it was okay with George. Dale: I'll be good to have a date set for the next 'Con. Rich Drushel: I have to decide whether I want it to span my 15th wedding anniversary, 19 July. Dale: I suggest you pick a week or two earlier. Dale: I've been pretty burned out when I ran AC. Rich Drushel: Joan, however, will be lucky to get any one week of time off in July...even after 13 years on the same floor, she isn't high enough seniority. Rich Drushel: This summer it worked mostly because Christina was finally old enough to babysit the younger 2 while Joan went to work. Dale: Always a problem. Dale: So my company progressing towards going public. Rich Drushel: Did you have your big announcement yet? Dale: We had a stockholder's meeting on Friday, and they voted in favour of it. Dale: So now we just have to close our financing, and take our fir web site live. Rich Drushel: I wish more things were private...the owners tend to be more interested in their actual business, rather than just in maximizing short-term profits at any cost. Dale: It's gradually coming together. Rich Drushel: Will you be able to retire after this all goes throough? :-) Dale: Well, a public company offers us the freedom to run our business instead of having Vetnure Capitalists run it. Rich Drushel: I guess as long as you remain the majority stockholders. Dale: We are a small cap company, and with this financing we can become a global player. Dale: No, I have to build an actual business, with real value. Then I can retire in four years ;-) Rich Drushel: 4 years...I think I am looking at never retiring. Dale: Actually, I'll probably do another startup when I finish at this company. The startup feeling agrees with me more than a big company. Rich Drushel: How can you do another startup in the same field without all kinds of conflict-of-interest? Dale: Rich, you just have to invent something that every slug needs! You'd be rich beyond belief. Rich Drushel: Thneeds from Truffula seeds that everyone needs :-) Dale: It's a big world, and there are lots of other things to do, that are still in computers. It's just a mater of having the business savvy to do start again. Dale: "Thneeds"? I guess I'd have to be a slug. Rich Drushel: I don't claim to understand business...seems inherently illogical to me. In engineering, time and time again the better, more technically-elegant solution loses. Too disheartening to a Wile E. Coyote like me. Rich Drushel: "Thneed" is from Dr. Seuss' "The Lorax", as are Truffula seeds. Dale: Ah, of course. Must review that material for other good business ideas. <grin> Rich Drushel: All the Truffula trees were converted into Thneeds (some weird 3-armed sweater-type garment), so a whole ecosystem went extinct. Dale: Hmm. Maybe I should treat it as a how not to book after all. Rich Drushel: It's a good read... Dale: Last year I read "The Dilbert Principle"... Dale: and the year before I read "Pooh on Management". Dale: Winnie the Pooh, has some interesting insights into the study of management. Dale: Strangely I've never seen him on speaking tour.
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changed username to scott Dale: Scott, you're early today. scott: Whatttsssssupppp scott: No more Wednesday class Rich Drushel: My talents don't seem to be suited to a resource-rich environment like we've had the last decade...like Robinson Crusoe, I can build anything out of stone knives and bearskins. Dale: Just pre-chatting with Rich. Rich Drushel: Hello Scott. scott: The master is here! scott: How are you Rich? Dale: Slay any dragons this week? Rich Drushel: My expected long-distance phone call last Wednesday never materialized, so I missed the chat for nothing. scott: Do slain dragons yet. Rich Drushel: Rich is busy, doing some productive research programming. I should be able to make a 3 October deadline for one bit of modelling code. scott: Getting my apartment setup scott: Got my computer/phone line/internet connection going. scott: Still a lot to do. Dale: You've got dialup Internet access now? Rich Drushel: What year are you now, Scott? scott: For the moment, I'm dialing in with my modem. scott: But we've got DSL, ISDN, everything out here in Aurora. Dale: So you're actually talking to us from your new place. Congratualtions. scott: Yes. scott: Thank you. scott: Dale -- You said that you have a server connection to the internet, a dedicated server? Dale: Yes. I get it through my cable modem.\ scott: I've been interested for some time now in doing this. scott: How much is it costing you? Dale: around here I pay $39.95 CDN/month. scott: Is it costing you an arm and a leg? Rich Drushel: I just had a crack of lightning directly overhead (sudden storm)...I am going to logout now and power down.
Rich Drushel left chat session scott: We'll be here. scott: How does that work? Dale: That's for 1 IP address. And pretty reliable service. scott: Sound like you're just paying for access. Dale: Good enough for non-commercial work. scott: Are you using special hardrives, as in SCSI? scott: Special processors, or multiprocessor systems? scott: At least PIII's??? Dale: At the office, we have a 2.5 megabit DSL connection, for about $599 CDN with 5 IP addreses. Dale: For my AdamCon server you mean? scott: The office -- is this a company you work for or is it your software company? scott: Yes, the ADAM Server. Dale: I have SCSI disks, and a dual P133 (with only 1 CPU). Dale: At the office is the company that I co-founded a year and a half ago, and is going public shortly. scott: Do you think I'd be ok with a Dual PII 333mhz box? scott: So you are running your own business?
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moved to room Meeting Place scott: Sounds like I need to look at prices for having a dedicated server. Dale: Well, it depends, what do you want to do? Will it be under Linux? Under Windows? How many hits will you get? Static? Database? Perl? Servlet?...
changed username to Mr Jive Mr Jive: Hi folks Dale: For just a realtively simple site, it is hard to beat he.net (Hurricane Electric). Dale: That's what my brother uses for most of his web sites. scott: Will have to research the platform, will have Database, Perl (meaning in all likelihood Unix), eventually a larger # of hits. scott: he.net? scott: Thanks. I'll give them a look. Dale: It is in the same building as one of the three main backbone hubs in the US. (Mae-West). scott: I need to research this. scott: I'd like to start off simple, but eventually get more into streaming video and database. scott: Which requires a lot of oomph. scott: Hi Mr. Jive.
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changed username to james scott: Here everyone comes. scott: Hello Bob. james: *yawn* morning. BobSlopsema: HOLY COW!!! I'm late!!!@
moved to room Meeting Place scott: Hello James. Dale: Well, Linux is a pretty good platform. Even a PIII-700 should be able to handle 100,000 hits a day.
changed username to Guy B. scott: How is your LOGO project going? Guy B.: Greetings!!! Dale: Hi Mr Jive. scott: I haven't even touched Linux yet, that's why I hesitate to say "Linux" Dale: You missed Rich D. BobSlopsema: well shcucks! i am only 4 minutes late! BobSlopsema: hi ALL scott: 100,000 hits a day is more than enough. scott: That's 1 million every 10 days. Dale: Well, my home machine hosts several database backed sites, but I get only 25,000 hits a month total. scott: That's a lot of hits! Mr Jive: I have an announcement.....I bought another ADAM computer. scott: Yay! BobSlopsema: COOL!!! james: logo project has been on the back burner for a couple of weeks but i hope to get back at it soon. scott: That's good information, Dale. Thank you. Guy B.: Where did you get it from? Dale: Congrats! Time to celebrate with a game of Donkey Kong. BobSlopsema: on Ebay??? and how much??? Dale: Hi Guy. Mr Jive: Thirty dollars.....from a Marty Yeager in Georgia. scott: Didn't even see you Guy. scott: How are you? BobSlopsema: dat's cheap enought BobSlopsema: does it work??? Mr Jive: I'll find out when I get it. :) Guy B.: Yeah, I'm here. Just got on a few minutes ago. Dale: Scott, the chat server is a Java application running right here in my livingroom. BobSlopsema: OH MAN, ya don't even know??? scott: That's exciting to ponder. Mr Jive: I can fix it if it doesn't work....have a degree in small computer repair. scott: I can't imagine using the capacity of my drives for storage on the Internet. scott: Or the applications on it. BobSlopsema: then all yo need is parts...... Guy B.: Hey, we got another repairman if he can fix his Adam. scott: I have a 60 GB Ultra-DMA 100 drive that would be perfect for a server on the Internet. Mr Jive: What I need is info on an ide driver. scott: Hopefully there's drivers for it in Linux. Guy B.: Ultra DMA 100 now Scott. I thought Ultra 66 was the highest? Mr Jive: For a hard drive and a 3 1/2 drive. Dale: The only disadvantage is, I can never reboot that machine, so it sits and serves, and nothing else. scott: Can't reboot? Really? BobSlopsema: Doug, Scott is the man with that info scott: Guy -- 60GB isn't even a large drive any more, Maxtor just came out with an 80GB model and soon a 100GB Dale: Scott, I suspect that the hard disk is rarely the bottle neck for anything you are apt to do, but the bottle neck is your connection. james: connection. oh yes. there's definitely a bottleneck here when it comes to that. scott: Sure -- good point Dale. james: it's called "ntt". Guy B.: I knew 75Gig existed, but it looks storage will keep increasing as we go into 2001. scott: And getting cheaper. Mr Jive: Cool Dale: Well, if I reboot it, then all of my web sites go down. I try and keep an uptime of 4 months before rebooting. Linux is pretty solid that way. scott: IDE driver, eh?
james left chat session scott: Sounds like you need two machines. BobSlopsema: lost james.... Mr Jive: I have two machines now. Guy B.: Heck, I've only got a 4.3GB in this system and I'm trying to decide what size for my new one next year. scott: Just in case you want to take the one down. scott: I bought my 60GB drive for $235. Dale: I actually have 4 on my LAN at home. A server/firewall, desktop, laptop and Jill's. Then I have the Adams and assorted others. <grin> scott: Great price/GB scott: A firewall? Mr Jive: That is a good price. scott: Now we're talking money. scott: Every Firewall that I've seen is expensive Guy B.: I've seen the 13GB and above for just over $100 and you're right, they will keep coming down. scott: I bought the drive from www.compgeeks.com. scott: They did me really good on that drive. Dale: Sure. I only have 1 IP address, so I use amasquarading proxy firewall that is transparent to the other machines. I even have it running a DHCP server. Guy B.: Catchy name. scott: I told myself that I wouldn't buy another until the 100GB models came out. Dale: That's an amazing price. Di you get it yet? scott: The drive? Yes, I've had it for a month. Works great. Dale: The firewall is based on IP Chains, and is free with Linux. scott: I even captured video with it at 30fps. scott: 640X480 Guy B.: And I made a bid on Yahoo for Windows 95 with USB and so far I'm the highest bidder. So step 1 for my new system. scott: You know sooo much more than I do. How am I supposed to catch up? scott: <grin> Dale: Sounds like the perfect drive for you.
(Guy B. smiles) scott: It was made for me! scott: Hey -- we lost James? scott: And then there were five. Guy B.: Wonder if he lost his connection.
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left chat session Dale: James vanished shortly after taking the name of hiw phone company/ISP in vain. scott: Hey, while I'm here, does anyone have any articles of ALAN NEELEY (ADAMLink of Utah)? Mr Jive: lol Dale scott: Got a little excited about those HD prices. scott: Mr. Jive -- working on any software? Guy B.: Scott, you did pretty well. But later, you might regret it. The price of that same could be less later on. scott: ADAM software??? Mr Jive: Software? How do you mean? scott: It always is. scott: The nature of the business. Guy B.: Just can't keep up. scott: In 5 years, we'll be talking terabytes. Mr Jive: Uh, no.....I haven't used my ADAM in about 10+ years. Dale: Confusious say, he who waist for best price preformance will wait forever. scott: Shame, shame... BobSlopsema: agree with that, BUT you gotta wait tillit shrinks down a little..... scott: What software would everyone like to see developed for the ADAM? Mr Jive: lol I just got my old one back from my cousin....without the smartBasic tape. scott: How about a web browser? BobSlopsema: YES!!!!!! scott: Dale can write firewall software for us. Mr Jive: Thanks to Bob I now have a smartBasic tape. scott: LAN ADAM... scott: er, ADAMs... Dale: Yeah, how 'bout an Ethernet card for the Adam? BobSlopsema: no prollem Doug!!! scott: How about Windows for the ADAM scott: Linux for the ADAM. Dale: You mean like GoDOS? scott: I'm just playing... Mr Jive: Does anyone know where I can get Assembly Language software? scott: But the thought was kinda fun... scott: Yes, you steal it... Dale: Go to http://www.adamcon.org/~dmwick/mayan/ for one answer. Mr Jive: lol Scott Dale: There is a "Unix" for the Z80 called UZI.ARK.
(Guy B. laughs heartily) Dale: I've downloaded it from ftp://wuarchive.wustl.edu/ but haven't tried it yet. scott: /mayan/ is also a good place to find all types of hi-tech products: ADAM streaming/compression software, SQL for ADAM... Guy B.: I have GoDos with GoBasic and I have yet to try it out,. scott: You name it, Dale's got it at /Mayan/ Dale: Okay then, how bout some NLV editing software (Non-linear video)? scott: I played around with GoDos/GoBasic scott: 60fps? Guy B.: What did you think of Scott? scott: 1024X768? scott: I liked it a lot. scott: Although half of the stuff didn't work. Mr Jive: Cool I'll check it out. scott: As Mr. Jive said, "No space to do anything" Dale: No, no, no! I want S-Video with 256x192 preview. I'm happy with 20 fps. scott: Two colors? scott: Black and White?
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changed username to Guy B. scott: How about we develop a multiprocessor ADAM to do this. Guy B.: Ok, I'm back. I lost my connection. Mr Jive: lol Scott scott: Are you serious? Is this something that you're actually considering doing? scott: It would be fun, do doubt. Dale: Just get an Adamnet/side port video card with IDE interface for direct to 60GB drive recording. Dale: No problem. Mr Jive: string 100 Adams together for a 800 MHz processor. scott: But I think ADAM would only be able to handle 1-2 frames / sec. Dale: Exactly Mr Jive. scott: And an overdrive processor. Mr Jive: The Z80000 processor! scott: Like 4.5 mhz >> 800 Dale: No, the eZ80 runs at up to 80 MHz. scott: There you go! scott: Then we just bug my dad to design it. scott: He's not doing anything important. scott: Right? Dale: My Adam has an AIM graphics board which operates at 21MHz with 192k of RAM. Unfortunately there was only ever one AIM made while the parts were still available :-( Guy B.: And how long would that be? Dale: March 3 Dale: 2158. scott: I'll just lock him in the basement and when he starts foaming at the mouth, we'll evaluate where he's at. Guy B.: It's too bad that Gary Bowser never could get that off the ground. That could of have changed the entire Adam around. Mr Jive: lol Scott scott: He should have asked for help from my dad. Dale: It would have been interesting. scott: My dad was interested in how Gary was doing it. scott: He mentioned that the boards were off by 1/16th of an inch or something. Dale: His problems were parts-related and money-related -- an unfortunate combo. scott: Very unfortunate. Dale: He made over 200 TIMs (the same board with the crystal for the TI-99). Guy B.: It was mentioned almost every month around 1987 or 88 in the Niad newsletter, then poof. Dropped off the sight of the earth. scott: Dale -- do you know if he still can be reached? scott: Maybe someone can salvage his work and do something with it. Dale: Not by me. scott: But would it be worth the effort? Dale: He is probably still in town. Guy B.: Question is where does he live now? Dale: The parts are no longer available for that design. A new design would be needed. scott: Maybe we could find him on the Internet somewhere. scott: Dale -- no problem. I'll just take a few classes and become an engineer. scott: Piece o cake. scott: Have a new design before you know it. scott: Want a 1ghz ADAM? Multiprocessor? No problem... scott: Anyways... Dale: I actually took a project course at University where we all made embedded hardware designs with firmware drivers. scott: Enough being goofy... Mr Jive: Hey that reminds me....I still have that 300 baud modem in my old Adam......Hmmmmm. scott: So do I. scott: Mr. Jive -- build us a browser. scott: And they will come... Dale: My project was to make a b&w video digitiser attached to MIDI out, to allow a musician to play music with gestures. Guy B.: It's good to use it for file transfers between the PC and the Adam. I've tried it and it works. scott: Cool. Mr Jive: Sure.....type in a www address and.....three days later it's loaded! Dale: I noticed on Zilog's site that they have one chip 33.6 modems, that could be adapted for the Adam, I'm sure. Dale: It might be a worthy project. scott: What speed could the ADAM handle. scott: No more than 19200 for sure. Mr Jive: Hmmmm I don't think the Z80 processor could keep up with 33.6 Guy B.: That's what I was going to say. Adamserve can handle that speed. Dale: Well, a text terminal in AdamLink V can keep up with 4800 baud as I understand it. But all present Adam modem/serial slot 1 or 2 cards aren't interrupt driven. scott: Yes, a very worthy project. BobSlopsema: BEFORE the local freenet went down, I had ADAM online in text mode and it went very well, faster than my eyes could read Dale: But 19,200 is no problem with an external screen. scott: Definately fast enough for online gaming. scott: Such as an RPG. Mr Jive: I remember hitting the billboards at 300 baud.....it was awful..... scott: Areas that are 1-2K would load resonably fast. Dale: 19,200 is the fastest a present day Adam can do because that is the fastest the MIB-3 or Orphanware designs could handle. scott: Dale -- there's also that hardrive project. scott: We talked about it before. Dale: Well, 19,200 with an external 19,200 would be 38,400, so theoretically yes. scott: And you had mentioned the embedded hardrive. BobSlopsema: no, now jive ........300 baud was"lightning" for 1983.... scott: My father knows of places to manufacture the boards (they may be out of business now) Dale: I double checked the Disk-On-A-Chip prices, and they were much higher than I remembered, about $200 for 64MB, which is solid state technology. scott: I have his schematic. scott: Wow scott: That's far too expensive. Dale: Bob, the AdamLink modem was called an AdamLink 1200, because they originally intended to have it run 1200 baud. Mr Jive: 300 baud isn't "lightning" at any time. lol! Guy B.: Memory prices are really high this year. Dale: They must have switched late in the game to somnething that could work. scott: Should be able to find small drives at garage sales for a few bucks. Dale: Syd Carter made a do-it-yourself modification project where you could convert it into a 19200 baud serial card. BobSlopsema: well.......can the ADAMlink modem be juiced up to say....14.4 or 19.2????? scott: Makes me nervous that I only have one HD for my ADAM. scott: I also read about an ADAM Mouse? BobSlopsema: heck Scott, IDE hd's are everywhere cheap!!! Dale: What about Adam House? scott: I saw that Sol Swift got it working with PowerPAINT. Guy B.: Yes, I remember that from the old Niad newsletters. scott: I have an article or two on my site about it. scott: Saw it at ADAMCON IV scott: Along with Dale Wick. Dale: I agree, go to any mom and pop computer store and they'll have a heap of IDE 80, 120, 540 drives all of which should work for $5-15. Dale: The Adam Mouse, that was out of Calgary, right? scott: If you buy in bulk, you could probably get them for less. scott: Don't know. scott: Have to look at my articles. BobSlopsema: Think it was....Thomas Electronics, I believe Guy B.: The last computer show I went to had used hard drives going very cheap, but higher that those you mentioned. Dale: They phoned me a couple of times to talk about mouse drivers. scott: Has anyone been to my old site lately? BobSlopsema: and also there is a mouse design to make one out of a commodore mouse Guy B.: That's higher capacity. Dale: Yup Thomas Electronics is the name. BobSlopsema: made one MEself, me did......... Dale: What's happening on your site, Scott? Dale: How do you have it hosted? BobSlopsema: been a wekk or two scott: It's still at Web2010. Just curious if anyone's using the site. BobSlopsema: looks the same to me so far...... scott: I haven't until recently. Dale: Scott, you started out the night asking what software we wanted, not what we were working on. scott: I'm kinda jumping all over the place, aren't I? Dale: Is your hosting expensive? scott: $24.95/month. scott: I will move my site. scott: I would REALLY like a dedicated server, of course. scott: But I need to do a lot of research. Dale: Not too bad. check out he.net's prices. They are cheap and quite reliable. scott: Pat offered to let me place my site on his server. Dale: A dedicated server starts at about $260/mo. scott: I could do that while I get my server set up. scott: Is that what you're paying? Dale: No, I pay $39/mo for a server in my livingroom. scott: I'd like to find a way to do something like you are doing, Dale. scott: Otherwise, it's big money/month. Dale: Well, I'm using a cable modem. What you are allowed to do depends partly on your local cable company. scott: We have cable out here. scott: What should I ask? Dale: he.net is a good tradeoff between service, price, and features. Dale: Well do they offer the @Home service or Internet on cable? scott: Ok. scott: I will find out Dale: Also DSL might be a good option for you. Depending again on your local ISP's offerings. scott: I'm just asking, because I'm not sure how to get started. Guy B.: DSL is still high at the moment. Around $40 a month. Mr Jive: Does anyone here do assembly language programming? scott: $40 is reasonable if one can get a dedicated server running in their living room. Dale: I do. scott: I do. Dale: What do you want to know? scott: Where do you want to go today?
(Guy B. laughs heartily) Mr Jive: Cool....I was thinking, with the slow processor speed of the Adam, that assembly would be the best language to use. scott: Can't do it any other way. Dale: I've been teaching Bob and Guy at AdamCon, and they are learning through Osmosis, as opposed to practice. scott: He's even trying to teach me, which is a lost cause <grin> Guy B.: Though I haven't really tried anymore since Adamcon 12. Dale: Assembly is a great language to use on the Adam. There are other options too. Most often mixed assembly and something else. Mr Jive: (smiles) I remember learning Basic on the Adam....but the smartBasic really had it's limitations. Guy B.: Agree with you on that. scott: LD Dalewick, 00 28 ;Per month Dale: PowerPaint was written as about 20% SmartBASIC and 80% assembly (though Sol did only hand assembly :-( yuck!) BobSlopsema: IF Guy and I stick around Dale LONG enough.....we WILL get some knowledge rubbed off... :-) Mr Jive: lol
(Guy B. laughs heartily) scott: Sol -- the crazy bipolar hand coder. scott: We need some articles. Dale: What was that Scott about 00 28? Guy B.: Something where we won't get lost by. AND IN PLAIN ENGLISH. Mr Jive: Did Coleco come out with an assembly DDP? scott: If anyone can find out what happened to Mel Ostler, we can republish his books. scott: Online. Dale: This year's session didn't work how I wanted it to. I tried to be over ambitious. scott: 00 28 -- good question. Guy B.: No, a macro assembler was made PD some years ago. scott: Over ambitious is good. scott: I like over ambitious. Dale: It is from CBS in France.\ Dale: Is it publically available somewhere for download right now? scott: We also need the Hacker's Guide to the ADAM online. Dale: I got it from Compuserve. Dale: I taught a session on it at AdamCon 06. Guy B.: What about Geoff's FTP site? Dale: Mel Ostler gave me permission to reublish any of his books ot the hacker's guide. scott: Ha! Good point. What about Geoff's site? scott: Yoooou have permission? Dale: Sorry I meant the survival guide not the hacker's guide. Dale: Who has a copy of Geoff's site? scott: So we could republish "Learning to Draw with ADAM"? scott: I do. Dale: Yup. Dale: Is it public? scott: This is a worthy OCR project. The text isn't so bad to OCR. scott: I don't think that copies are easy to find of it. scott: Will look around. Dale: Where is geoff's ftp site then? Dale: Also where is Rich Cossaboon's site? scott: I think ADAM's House sells copies of it. scott: It is on my hardrive. scott: Always meant to put it online. Dale: Both had lots of Adam software. My ftp site has only very select amount of Adam software. Dale: I've added some software to http://www.adamcon.org/12/ scott: I have the Compuserve FTP site (Cossaboon) and Geoff's FTP site. scott: Dale -- are you using a script on some of your ANN articles. I noticed awhile ago that a few are mangled. Dale: I have a copy of many of Mel Osler's books. scott: Me too :> scott: Some I cleaned up and published on my site. scott: Are these static HTML or Dynamically created. Guy B.: Scott, do you links to those FTP sites from your website? scott: The ANN directory, that is. scott: Guy -- I was actually going to place them on my site. scott: Point it within my own. Dale: I use a script on all of my ANN articles. I gradually fix the articles as I go. It is a lot of articles to repair though. scott: It's around 5-6MB I think. scott: Sure, I understand. Guy B.: Ok, I wasn't sure. I couldn't remember the addresses anyway. scott: I'll take a look at your site again and see which I've cleaned up. scott: That way you can repost the cleaned up versions. Dale: If I gave you an ftp account, could I mirror both of those on adamcon.org? scott: Sure. scott: It's my fault. I've been given both of these important directories and done nothing with them. scott: Geoff's site is on my computer at work. scott: I can e-mail it to you from there.
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changed username to Ron Ron: allo Guy B.: Hi Ron. Ron: everyone alive? BobSlopsema: hello Ronald!!!!! BobSlopsema: nope...... Guy B.: Using the iMac or the PC tonight? scott: Dale -- I have a SmartBASIC directory on my hardrive. Ron: Mac'puter scott: It's from Geoff's FTP site. scott: It contains a Z80 assembler. BobSlopsema: a wee bonnie thing??? Ron: but not a REAL 'puter Dale: Hi Ron. Ron: Hi dale Guy B.: That what Ron called my old TI notebook by that name.
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changed username to james scott: 73 SmartBASIC files. Guy B.: James, you're back. scott: 700K BobSlopsema: welcome back James james: morning.. again. scott: Do you want it? Ron: hey James! james: my connection bailed, decided to take windows 98 with it. Mr Jive: lol Guy B.: Oh no. What did you do? Ron: couldn't have happened to a nicer OS Mr Jive: lol Ron Ron: :) BobSlopsema: see???...and it is not the year 2000 and you are using win98...... james: *i* didn't decide to do anything. i guess the lines have been rusting out or something. james: talk to ntt.. Mr Jive: Y2K bug..... james: hi ron :) how are things in vancouver? scott: Dale, want it or not, you're going to get it. Guy B.: Now WinME is out and it's already having problems and more trouble for Microsoft. Ron: It rained before noon...and then the sun appeared scott: I'm going to log off for a moment and send it to you through AOL. Ron: cooler Guy B.: Darn cool here in Chicago.
scott left chat session james: it's been really nice here lately. 25 or 26 and sunny during the day. a little cooler at night. BobSlopsema: I just got Streets & Maps 2001....and it is all screwed up! james: or as my friend from l.a. put it, "freezing". Dale: I've created an ftp account for you. Mr Jive: WinME aka windows 7.1 Ron: we had just around 65F all day Dale: I'll email you the password. BobSlopsema: 84 megs of hd space and it wants 24 megs, and won't run...... james: all this windows crap is enough to make me switch to a mac. permanently. BobSlopsema: Microsoft's website is even screwed up as far as suppor,...."server error" Ron: Hell James, I wouldn't do that either Guy B.: Plus 150 mhz minimum for WinME. Might as well get Win98 instead. james: anyone here ever used beos? Mr Jive: amen james Ron: Over the past 2 days I have filled up about 10 gig of hd space with Country and Western Videos Ron: need a bigger hd BobSlopsema: or less videos......... james: why not get a dvd ram? james: you can store them on that and keep your hd free. Ron: actually, that's what I need if I keep this up Dale: Scott, I've sent the ftp password to your AOL account. james: bobs - do you sell adam stuff? Ron: nah... he gives it away Mr Jive: Country and Western...wow I thought my cousin was the only one. BobSlopsema: ONLY after Rich is exhausted......but yes to your immediate question Dale: No where si Scott? Ron: nope. me too james: okay, from what i can garner, rich doesn't have any ide interface cards. got any? Mr Jive: Gives it away???? BobSlopsema: oh, oh, got dumped???? BobSlopsema: yes sir......... BobSlopsema: I does..... Ron: thot so Guy B.: No, he didn't get dumped. He said he'll be back. Dale: Scott just bought a new 60GB drive for 250US, I think. james: how much you asking? BobSlopsema: for you..........10,000 yen........plus TAXES BobSlopsema: ok, wrong....... Ron: Geez Dale, that's less than I paid for 6 gig a year ago Dale: Unless Bob has IDE cards, you have to get them from Adam House. james: 10,000 yen.. roughly $95 us.. Ron: James, my Atari mouse arrived today. Ron: E-bay be praised BobSlopsema: $75 US plus shipping includes card; hd setup to work, cables, instructions to connect power and stick inside ADAM's little tummy james: cool :) been using it, i presume? Dale: He mentioned the URL at the beginning of the transcript. I'll publish it later tonight. Ron: yes yes james: okay. i'm very interested. Ron: Now I want to find a copy of the MIDI software they used Ron: Notator, I think BobSlopsema: A.H has 2 of them and he raised his price, doesn't give any docs OR software OR explanation to put it togther....... james: atari st midi software. yeah. alot of people were using them for midi, weren't they? Ron: all of this of course takes me away from what should be the chief purpose of my life Ron: ADAM BobSlopsema: should just buy the 2, but was holding up and noe he raised the price.... :-( Ron: yea, it was the standard midi in early days BobSlopsema: shipping to japan would probably cost , I am guessing, about $20 ?????? Dale: I agree Ron. I paid about that much for a 6 gig about a year ago too. james: okay, i'm going to e-mail you and we can discuss it through e-mail. james: yeah, how much does it weigh? Ron: My 20 Gig on this here iMac cost me $300 BobSlopsema: hmm.......maybe 2 pounds???? james: hmm 2 pounds even by airmail wouldn't be too bad at all for shipping. i've had much heavier sent. Ron: is that with pushpins or not? BobSlopsema: I checking now..... BobSlopsema: WITHOUT pushpins, customer MUST supply his own!!!! Dale: With push pins, I'd wager. Ron: :)\ BobSlopsema: Twenty dollars US for 4-7 dayas it says...... Mr Jive: Well folks I'm going to go get some supper. Ron: Hey you e-bay guys.... a question james: ron - present for you: http://www.crosswinds.net/~notator/docs/software.html Mr Jive: Nice chatting. BobSlopsema: ONLY my canadian buddies use pushpins......hmmm, james...you native canadian, eh>???? Guy B.: Take it easy Mr. Jive. Ron: once the buyer receives the article, and the seller receives his money, does e-bay have to be advisecd? BobSlopsema: see you Doug! have agood week Dale: Check out my mayan page Mr Jive. Ron: see ya Jive james: sounds good bob - can we firm up via e-mail within the next day or so? Mr Jive: If Scott comes back on tell him I'll try to call him later this week. Dale: If it doesn't meet your needs, I'll have some alternatives by next week. BobSlopsema: NO, but it is a nice courtesy to leave good feedback for the seller if you are happy james: ron - about your e-bay question. no, but you can post feedback about your transaction. Mr Jive: Will do Dale. BobSlopsema: will do James!!!! Ron: ah ok Ron: it went well, so I suppose I should say that james: sounds good - can you give me your e-mail. i'm sure i've got it somewhere, but just to be sure.
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(Someone throws a brick at Groo the Wandrer) james: it's not japanese. Groo the Wandrer: You now have the SmartBASIC FTP programs, Dale BobSlopsema: maybe Tibet.anese Dale: Super. james: ron - got any plans for tues july 24th and wed july 25th, 2001? Groo the Wandrer: Just sent it from AOL Groo the Wandrer: About a 300K Winzip file. BobSlopsema: GuRu the Wonderer????? Groo the Wandrer: I'll have more files for you tommorrow. Groo the Wandrer: The Wunderer? Guy B.: That has to be Scott. Ron: mysterious Groo the Wandrer: Ya think? Groo the Wandrer: You guys never have any fun with the names. Dale: Please ftp them, as per my email. It is much easier for me. BobSlopsema: it's the abominable snowman...or m,aybe.....the missing link?????
(Guy B. laughs heartily) BobSlopsema: true, but we all knows who we are! Guy B.: Well, guys I have to get going. I'll see you all next week. Groo the Wandrer: Me Groo. Me angry. Me eat white man. Dale: later Guy. BobSlopsema: white men taste yucky.....didn't ya see the movie? Groo the Wandrer: Groo need go too. Groo need sleep. Groo not happy without sleep. BobSlopsema: bye guy, see ya!!! Ron: Nite Guy Dale: Catch ya later then Scott. Ron: be good Groo the Wandrer: Groo OCR ADAM articles for The ADAM Resource
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(A dog howls in the distance) BobSlopsema: oh, that's good Ron: Ok here's a start on my list of required software.... (more to follow) Ron: Patch for Filemanager to incorporate a search and replace function Ron: Cleanup of the VT100 emulation for Qterm Ron: ADAM based CP/M tutorial Ron: Front end Configurator for ADAMSERVE Ron: a MIDI Juke Box Ron: It's a start BobSlopsema: and MORE time to use the computer!!!! Ron: you got that right Bob Dale: Isn't there a MIDI jukebox that comes with SEQual 2? Dale: That's a good start. Ron: Yes, but I think with a memory expander, the functionality could be improved Dale: The MIDI jukebox idea is a good one. Ron: It's not actually Sequel 2, it's a program called MINI Recorder that Ron: was distributed earlier james: i'm eager to get going on the logo stuff. Ron: one out of 5 ain't bad Dale: It seems to me that the code used for MUD could be used... Dale: to make a MIDI/Adam jukebox. Dale: That seems like it might be a nice weekend project, if I found all the bits. james: bob - which part of michigan are you in? Ron: indeed. BobSlopsema: Grand Rapids area......30 miles east of Lake Michigan about due west of Windsor/Detroit james: neat. i've been to windsor, was at the casino there and about 95/100 plates were michigan ;) Ron: leading our neighbours astray are we? BobSlopsema: casino.....very bad place.......money goes bye,bye!!!! Ron: this is true BobSlopsema: could be better spent on ADAM james: :D i played a few of the slots just for fun but there were some serious gamblers there. Dale: Good for the Casinos. Ron: OH.... there's another idea..... an ADAM LOTO Tracker Ron: Lotomeister Ron: if it makes me a millionaire... it's good Dale: One of our members wrote one. james: freakin' cows are driving me nuts. james: how about something to shut them up? Ron: Mooooo Ron: !! Dale: Cows? Are they also practicing their English on you? Ron: You really are rustic eh James? james: yeah, yeah. you ever live within 30 feet of a dairy farm? james: never knew how much i hated cows. Ron: hey! works for me, all the cheeze I can eat Dale: Fortunately not. I pet their English needs some work too. james: i'd like to take my father in law's katana and carve out their tongues. Dale: Milk is good though. Ron: awww Ron: that's cruel Ron: they're only being cows james: i don't like milk, don't like beef and if it weren't for cheese, it'd be all the same to me if the species went extinct. Dale: Hey did you have calss early today James? BobSlopsema: oh man, GOTTA have agood steak!!! james: haven't started yet. now that summer vacation is over, my mornings are free. james: bob, shall i cut one fresh for you? ;) Dale: You usually don't come back until later. james: today, my connection bailed on me and took windoze 98 with it. Ron: murder in Japan! Ron: who dunnit! Dale: Mooo? BobSlopsema: please! james: there are a good 50 some-odd cows next door and they just don't shut up. james: i'm guessing the farmer is in his 60's. not that i'm counting.. Ron: news item: A probe was launched by the Japanese government today into the mysterious death of cattle in a rural area of Japan BobSlopsema: they are saying...LOGO...in japanese! Ron: Fields littered with dead cows were uncovered overnight......yada yada yada james: speaking of which, i'm still on chapter 3 of the manual. i've been super busy lately planning a trip to canada for some of my students next year. james: maybe i'll just get some aliens to come down. they're supposed to be into cattle mutilations, right? Dale: What dates? Ron: :) Dale: Can you add a side trip to AdamCon or an Dale: MTAG meeting? james: i'm looking at landing in hong couver on jul 24th 2001 and being in toronto on the 26th. BobSlopsema: ya sure!!!! Dale: Uh oh. Have you played AdamBomb 2 yet? Ron: rotfl Ron: Hongcouver Dale: MTAG meets on the Forth Friday evening in July. james: i don't know if i'll be able to get very far. i'll have about 15 students with me and we're running a pretty tight schedule. Ron: I tell ya, that's the way it is Ron: shouldn't that be fourth Friday Dale? Ron: or do you meet to study Forth? Dale: Sorry. My mind must have been elsewhere. james: i'll be in ottawa by then. james: we're landing in toronto, then i'm taking them to niagara falls. we'll get there at night, see the falls lit. Ron: Speaking of Ottawa James Dale: Oh well. That's too bad, but I can at least meet you anyway. james: the next morning, the boat tour, maybe the bit behind the falls and them i'm getting the hell out of that tourist trap. BobSlopsema: hey guys, gotta hit the sack here..... BobSlopsema: see ya's next week, eh???? Ron: Had a message from Doug Paterson - longstanding buddy and longer time ADAM User Friendly Group member than I james: i'll be talking to you soon bob :) Ron: He's going to look for the earlier editions of the newsletter. james: GREAT! Dale: =Nite Bob. Ron: niters Bob.... no stopping at the bar getting drunk BobSlopsema: see ya guys! BobSlopsema: ok
BobSlopsema left chat session Ron: If anybody's got 'em James, he will james: if you'd like to meet up dale, my current iteration of my itinerary puts us in toronto on july 26th (thurs) james: from about 4 to 9 p.m. hope to go up the tower at around dusk. Ron: Wonder when ADAMcon is gonna be.... we could all be in Cleveland Ron: probably earlier than that Dale: Fine by me. I'll look forward to it. james: that'd be great if he does have them. never could find lou. Ron: well.... one way or another..... haven't heard from my other contact yet Dale: Rich promised me that it would be before the MTAG meeting, if he remembers. james: we get into toronto from niagara falls around 4 pm. so i'm going to give them some time to shop at eaton centre. james: from there, it's on to the tower. we've only got a few hours so that's probably the best plan. Ron: Is there still an Eaton Centre? Dale: Absolutely. james: why wouldn't there be? Dale: "The Centre of it All". Ron: Eaton's went bankrupt Ron: Sears bought out some of the stores Dale: Sears bought that store. james: we catch our bus back to ottawa that evening around 9 Ron: ah ok james: oh yeah. i vaguely remember reading something about that a few months back. Ron: country is going to hell in a handbasket Dale: They siad that they plan to run a full store under the Eaton's brand by this christmas. james: i dunno, after what i saw on tv last night, canada is not doing too badly at all. Ron: oh? how so? james: well, we don't have an aids infection rate of 20%, most people can eat. we don't live in constant fear of being killed. Ron: Well, when you put it that way Ron: On another subject.... james: on the more upscale, canada has excellent communications infrastructure, the economy is on the mend and our currency is holding out james: alot better than others. Ron: Anybody got any use for an IBM PS-1 Ron: had one given to me james: ibm ps-1.. how old? Dale: Hmmm...not right now. Dale: What CPU? Ron: well, it's a 286 with a 30 meg hard drive Ron: I'd heard of the PS 2, but not PS-1 james: 286.. hmm... could run win 3.1. maybe. how much ram? Dale: PS-1 was a low cost home machine from IBM. Ron: It has a 2400 baud modem and a single 3-1/2 in floppy. Looks like Proprietory software Ron: yeah.... looks like ... turn it on and start doing something Ron: it has IBM dos Ver 4 Dale: Sold for about $1500CDN in 1988, I think. Ron: Microsoft Works ver 2 Ron: and some real old looking Norton Utilities james: hmm.. don't know what i'd use it for. sounds heavy too. Ron: cute little beastie Ron: yes... very solidly made and very heavy Dale: Sounds right on the money. Ron: the monitor plugs into the back of the computer ... with a non-standard plug Dale: With IBM, weight=value. Ron: looks to be powered from the CPU Ron: well maybe I'll try installing my minimum Linux system on it Ron: but you need memory management for Linux don't you Dale: Some of their early Pentium notebooks had lead bars in the screen, to make it seem heavier/more valuable. Dale: Then they were heros with a new lighter version (without the lead bars). Ron: yeah, I can believe that Dale: 286 can't run Linux. Try Minix, maybe. Ron: well, so much for that idea james: for what it would cost to ship, i think i'll pass. Ron: well, it's about to become part of the collection here I think Ron: nothing get's thrown out while ever it still works james: would be a waste if it were. Ron: every now and again, I put one of these beasties in our garage sales on the street, and usually end up Ron: taking it b ack again Dale: I'd better go soon. Ron: yeah... getting late for you Dale. Ron: My room here looks like something out of NASA in the mid 60's Dale: That sounds like the TPUG user's group annual auction, where the items appear year after year. Ron: :) james: :D with more processing power in all likeliness. Ron: Our local Mac club stopped having it's swap meets for that very reason Dale: Probably just the iMac would be competitive. Ron: Anyway Dale, I shall work on the list over the coming week , and maybe give MTAG an article Dale: Well, that way every member gets a crack at a given piece of hardware. Ron: yep Dale: Cool, Ron. I'll look for it. Ron: I got more sE's around here Ron: right on sir.....see ya next week Dale: bye now. Ron: you going James? james: not if you're not. i was going to lay some patio stones around my school but i'm feeling run-down today.
Dale left chat session Ron: you must have energy to lay patio stones Ron: I've been there, done that james: yes, and i think i'm fighting something. i may even take a nap before i teach today. i've been pushing myself kinda hard lately. Ron: Do you have regular work hours? Ron: Drink hot rums until you can't see the end of the bed james: not really. i ususally teach from about 4 or 5 until 9 or 10. james: for some reason, alchohol inhibits my ability to fall asleep. Ron: ic Ron: oh yes, I remember that well. Don't drink these days. Got tired of waking up face down in the street james: today i teach 4:30-10 with a half hour break from 6:30-7.. Ron: sounds like a different routine indeed james: ouch. well every once in awhile i'll get a little tipsy, but generally, i'm too busy. james: yeah. fortunately, i'm an evening person. i don't do mornings very well so it agrees with me quite well. Ron: in other words, you're normal Ron: sounds like something I could live with. james: :D mornings are gross. don't even talk to me before 9:30 :D Ron: Fortunately for me, I don't have to do mornings any more james: i'm really quite nasty if i'm underslept. Ron: tell me about it Ron: I'm a night owl, and If I have to do mornings, everybody better leave james: :D yup. i'm especially unpleasant around 7:00 Ron: one of the things I really like about retirement is the absence of routine Ron: I would fight to the death now to preserve that one thing james: i don't mind routine for now. but since i work every day, including sundays, i'll need some time off soon. Ron: hmmm..... interesting.... is that the norm in Japan, or just in your particular line of work? james: most people work a 6-day week. school is also 6-days a week with saturdays being half days and every other saturday being james: free. james: i'm hoping to get my sundays back soon. i only have two classes and may be able to re-arrange them next spring. Ron: Indeed Ron: I spent most of my career on one side or the other of union/management discussions, and hours Ron: of work was always a top issue Ron: Unions wanting fewer hours, management always wanting more flexibility in scheduling of work james: i can see that. air traffic controlling is pretty stressful too. Ron: That's what the Controllers would like you to think. In this country, we don't really have a busy airport. Ron: However, the perceived stress can become real in certain situations james: i know i'll be getting some major turnover in about 3 years time. there are days when i look forward to it. Ron: The guys now have a 34 hour work week james: once i've got a significant portion of the mortgage on the school paid, i'll be comfortable losing even a third of my students. Ron: And I see from the management web site, there's a proposal to increase that james: but for now, i want the work. james: 34 hours hmm... what's the current definition of a full work week? Ron: well most public servants in Canada work 37-1/2 hours per week james: i just reached 34.5 hours a week. as of yesteday i have 60 students. Ron: Let me get this straight.... you're buying your school there? Ron: is it a private setup? james: well most public servants in canada are employed for 37.5 hours a week is how i'd phrase it. Ron: :) Ron: yeah... true james: yeah, i've built my own school. i do this privately so i don't have the stress of a boss or other red tape to deal with. james: i call the shots. Ron: well I can see that there'd be benefits Ron: So students (or parents thereof) come to you out of choice? james: alot of work of course too. i make my own teaching aids when i can't buy them and i'm developing my own curriculum. james: yes. almost all of my students are there because they *want* to be. this of course makes life alot easier on everyone. Ron: Do you have to meet certain course standards set out by the gov't/ Ron: ? Ron: sure would james: nope. no standards to meet at all because it's private lessons and not at all associated with the school board. Ron: Well... so your reputation is all james: spaking of which, canada could learn a lesson. as far as i can tell, there is one school board in this country. Ron: we could learn many lessons james: i've built my school entirely on word of mouth. Ron: we've got a real trend to private schools now in this province Ron: people who can afford it are sending their youngsters to private schools james: well someday, when they realize that they've filled every classroom with administrators, they'll see why. Ron: public education is financially on the ropes Ron: exactly james: too many chiefs, not enough indians. a general north american affliction. james: not to say, that it doesn't happen here. i'm sure it does. Ron: So you're principal, teacher, administrator and janitor? Ron: as well as in charge of patio stones james: yeah. i'm also the groundskeeper, landscaper, public relations and whatever else :D Ron: a real man of all trades Ron: Must provide both frustrations and satisfactions james: not having to deal with a beaurocracy far outweighs any frustrations. actually, despite how busy i am, my stress level is alot lower james: than when i was working for a very mediocre high tech company in ottawa. Ron: I can see where it would be. Having spent most of my life in a bureaucracy, it felt good to leave Ron: Wasn't much fun being a mid-level manager in the Canadian Public Service james: i'll be on very solid ground by this time next year. right now i'm working on getting my father in law paid off. james: middle management has got to be rough because you're right at ground zero on both sides. Ron: Well I tell ya.... the world made sense when I was behind a radio console talking to airplanes and ships Ron: but when I started climbing the ladder, I got too far away from that Ron: In OIttawa, you have to find out how to get the ear of the guy with the cheque book...and james: i'll enjoy being president for now. i'm quite happy to keep my school small. i'm looking to get into some computer/internet stuff Ron: there are at least half a dozen other yapping at his heels Ron: With your background, that would be a natural james: next year. mostly knowledge transfer. maybe some e-business if i can get around the bandwidth/price issue. Ron: I'm really interested in tutorial software... and programs that explain and teach something james: ottawa is very .. what's the word.. there's alot of nepotism. you need to know someone to get anywhere. Ron: exactly james: what kind of tutorial software? Ron: well, it's not so much the subject, but more the framework james: ie: what subject? Ron: where a subject is presented, with the ability for the student to move back and forth from Ron: one part of the subject to another..... practice.... testing of skills etc james: okay. so framework that you can fit course material into modules and tests etc? Ron: We were working on instructional material for field sites when I retired.... for places where a classroom Ron: situation wasn't possible Ron: talking about ATC refresher training, and remedial training Ron: localized subjects such as geographical knowledge james: okay. would this involve simulation too? Ron: the ways of getting this stuff out to the towers and Flight Service Stations was beginning to change Ron: yes, for example, we had a basic primer on aeronautical terminology in use at an airport Ron: it actually simulated the field, runways, ramps, approaches, and provided vehicles running around in the middle Ron: of all the airplanes Ron: It was kinda neat when the programmer made the snowplow do a run up and take off down the runway james: hee hee. that i'd like to see :D Ron: sorta got everybody's attention. Actually, have you ever used Microsoft Flight Simulator? james: quite awhile ago, i think on a c64. Ron: well, it's got quite a bit more sophisticated.... and we actually had a contractor working on an interface that would james: i crashed almost as much as windows does. Ron: allow pilots and controllers to work together.... (in a classroom) james: no dog fights? Ron: Think they have a commercial product now Ron: yeah right..... james: that is a really good application though because you've got the "engine" right there. Ron: Anyway James, I have some bookeeping to do for a meeting tomorrow night, so I better get at it Ron: so I shall see ya next week james: sure thing. take care :) Ron: nite (or morning... as the case may be) james: toodles :)
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