james: morning rich :) rich-c: hey, that didn't take long! rich-c: looks like at least two of us are punctual james: not at all :) i've been up for a little while and remembered the time change. rich-c: right - sent you an email about an hour ago - is it in yet? james: thought i'd wear a little more than the emperor's new clothes before joining in.. james: just read it. thanks :) rich-c: OK, we'll work out means to get you what you want, then rich-c: how's the weather progressing in Japan now? james: thanks :) now that i have a floppy drive, a disk image might be the most effective way. james: it's definitely november. nothing but rain since i flipped the calendar. james: how's toronto? rich-c: oh dear - so far we've had a continuation of our nice fall, but matters are scheduled to change tomorrow night james: snow? rich-c: there's a big outbreak of polar air over the prairies now headed our way james: heh heh. glad i'm on this side of it! guess it'll hit ottawa too. my mother must be happy. rich-c: no, we don't expect snow in Toronto till late December, though there have been times when we got dosed well before that james: has your city invested in a few snowplows yet? ;) rich-c: but we have had a number of nights when it's got down to 0 or below, but the sun has brought the days up to 10 - 15 james: we haven't been that cold but with the cloud cover, we're not much warmer than you during the day. rich-c: yep, lots of plows and even a couple of melters james: i imagine if it *were* sunny, we'd be hovering around 20 or so. james: i guess after having to call in the national guard to clear the streets, they figured it might help, eh :) rich-c: well, you';re that much further south, about the same latitude as the Mediterranean and Middle East rich-c: actuall they didn't call in teh army to clear the streets james: so how was your road trip? rich-c: they did need some of the off-road combat vehicles to break through for emergencies james: that's understandable. snow is hard to get through if it's all piled up. rich-c: the road trip was great, got some of the photos back today james: where did you end up going? rich-c: trust me, the Atlantic coast is very photogenic in the fall james: it is nice. when my wife and i went there was still some foliage left. rich-c: stopped at Montreal to see a topiary exhibit, then ran down to Funday National Park rich-c: stayed there and explored teh area for several days james: i'd like to bring some of my kids out there sometime. pei, nb and nova scotia. rich-c: then down to Camden, Maine and a bit of teh Maine coast james: maybe even work in a day of sailing. rich-c: also stopped in Massachusetts on the way home james: i hear maine is really nice in the fall. lots of nature/hiking trails too. rich-c: afraid it was a bit chill to be out on the water rich-c: we did most of our hiking around Fundy james: speaking of water, with all the rain we've gotten, i think the water levels here are returning to normal. rich-c: oh, have you been having a problem with drought?
moved to room Meeting Place james: not per se but water levels in most rivers were barely a 1/3 of normal.
changed username to Guy B. james: morning guy :) Guy B.: Greetings All!! rich-c: don't know how we managed it but despite generally clement weather our levels seem very good rich-c: hey Guy, how's the love life going? Guy B.: Not very good. rich-c: that wasn't the answer we were hoping to hear, Guy rich-c: but better to find out now than when it's too late Guy B.: Had one date, then the bombshell dropped. She doesn't have the same feelings that I do about her. Well, I'm back to square one. rich-c: win some, lose some. it isn't the end of teh world, just feels that way
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changed username to <undefine rich-c: yes, two for the price of one Guy B.: Well, there is one other and I'm going to see how this turns out. james: morning bob :) rich-c: Yo Bob! <undefine: howdy mates!!! Guy B.: Hi Bob. How's the proud grandpa? <undefine: HAPPY & PROUD son!!! rich-c: who's our undefined visitor? james: looks like bob is on twice.. <undefine: how,d the "date" go, by the way
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changed username to BobSlopsema rich-c: Ah, now he's got it right BobSlopsema: he's BAAaaacckkkk Guy B.: Well, it went good, but then the bombshell dropped yesterday. She doesn't have the same feelings for me. Well, back to square one. BobSlopsema: well gosh darn.......... ya gotta give us southerners some slack pilgrim! BobSlopsema: oh, welll keep finshin' ther bud!!! :-) BobSlopsema: FISHIN' rich-c: From that remark, I guess that cold front hasn't come through your space yet BobSlopsema: JAMES!!! got the steamroller thingy BobSlopsema: kinda flakey but at least cvan see how it works Guy B.: Well, I'm not completely out of the woods yet. There is another one and I'm going to see if she wants to meet me. BobSlopsema: nope gonna be warm yet tomorrow james: was just about to ask if you got it! like the tape? BobSlopsema: james my boy ya there?????? james: test... rich-c: yes, they come down in a curve. We're to get it tomorrow night
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changed username to james BobSlopsema: up. boots up to little houses about 1 out of 3 times, then hit "1" and it goes intot he game....IF it doesn't bounce in and out
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changed username to Dale Dale: Hi all. BobSlopsema: hi Dale! Dale: Sorry I'm late. Guy B.: Hey Dale made it. rich-c: hello Dale, missed you the last couple of nights BobSlopsema: for SHAME!!!!!! james: i'm back. you got the tape bob :) you like it? Dale: I planned to be on last week, but somehow missed it entirely. BobSlopsema: it is kinda cool, and different!!!! NOW, telegames is selling this one? Dale: I see you're back okay, Richard. james: no, this game is being sold by a company called "retrotopia" through activision. rich-c: yep, made it on last week - it was a fun time, pity you missed BobSlopsema: oh, I thought yousaid Telegames had it james: just scanned through the chat bob - before you try to boot the tape, pull the "cartridge reset". that way you won't get james: the blue screen with the little houses and it'll work every time. BobSlopsema: it is basically a pac-man game with an atari 2600 type steamroller chasing you james: i'll grab the url for you. BobSlopsema: AH-SO!!!!! BobSlopsema: but it is a DDP, not a cart! rich-c: maybe there's something funny about the boot block, Bob james: yeah, i know but for some reason pulling the cart reset and then the tape reset sets something so that it works properly every time. BobSlopsema: ok, pull FIRST cart reset, THEN computer reset........ james: should do the trick bob. do you like the tape design? :D BobSlopsema: they are neat tapes for little people! james: test james: :D rather plentiful around here! BobSlopsema: us older folks smile at them though rich-c: seems like the string on James' can is developing some slack james: that'S probably because i'm downloading a new version of netscape.. BobSlopsema: we only get the Sony, DTK, etc, no "pretty kitty" ones! Dale: Guy, I took up your offer... rich-c: if it's 4.5x, forget it; use 4.08 instead even in Win95/98 BobSlopsema: and asked that girl out that wasn't interested????? ;-) BobSlopsema: couldn't pass that up Guy........solly! james: i've been using 4.5 and it's rather unstable so i'm downloading 4.76 (communicator) BobSlopsema: wht did ya take Dale? rich-c: that's why I recommended against 4.5x - it crashes about every half hour on my machine
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changed username to Ron Dale: I took the initiative to go and buy a 100MB IDE based ZIP drive. BobSlopsema: howdy Ronald!!!! Ron: I'm here because I'm not all there Ron: Hello all! rich-c: Greetings to the Left Coast Guy B.: I got Netscape 4.7. james: yeah, it was really annoying me so i'm taking the opportunity now since i'm online for a couple of hours to downlaod the newer version BobSlopsema: now, that is an internal ZIP dirve though right? Guy B.: Hi Ron! james: hey ron :) Ron: yes.... Left and cloudy rich-c: james must habve been mailing you his weather Dale: So I still have to get it installed in the Adam... Dale: but I've been working on getting everything arranged ... Dale: in my study so that that is easy. Dale: So, yes, it is the internal IDE ZIP drive. Dale: At the rich-c: You're working on an IDE interface for teh Adam, Dale? james: ron, any sign of your tape yet? Ron: yes sir, just arrived today..... cute little Hello Kitty tape Dale: MTAG meething this month we installed a new IDE harddisk in the club computer. Ron: cool! rich-c: where did you get teh interface card? Dale: Then we went through the process of partitioning it, formating, flushing directories, etc/ james: :) glad you like it. Dale: We've had the interface for long enough that the old drive died. rich-c: Oh, really just a replacement, then Dale: After seeing how fast the drive really is, I have a couple of members asking again for IDE cards. Dale: Bob, do you still have any? rich-c: gotta talk to Scott about that - he seems preoccupied with other things of late, though Dale: So, once I get the ZIP drive in my Adam (instead of the emulator, which is where I've been working usually lately) I can see if I can get it to work. rich-c: So what are you using as the interface for the Zip drive? Guy B.: Dale, are you going to try using the interface card designed for the hard drive for the Zip drive? Dale: I told Scott for over a year that I could get the funds to pay for a minimum run, bot he hasn't quoted me a price yet though. rich-c: Keep me posted on the numbers, Dale; maybe I can risk a bit james: i might be able to help out a little too. rich-c: and Bob, don't you have a maybe market for some IDE interface cards? BobSlopsema: still got a couple, but James want sone BobSlopsema: ONE BobSlopsema: could put out ANN $$$ for that project rich-c: Dale, what are you using as software to support the IDE drive - the File Manager Hard Disc version? Dale: The IDE interface is designed for any IDE compliant device. So, hard disks, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM and IDE ZIP drives should all work fine. BobSlopsema: nothing else that comes close to it as far as extending the ADAM's life james: will definitely buy bob :) Ron: right Bob BobSlopsema: verrrryyy interESTing Dale........ Ron: count me in for at least one james: i have an internal ide zip drive that i could try out with it too. Ron: any idea what they might sell for? Guy B.: So, basically the Zip drive can work with the Adam. What about software? rich-c: The Adam IDE cards I've seen only support one device - any hope of say four-device support (2 pair, m/s?) Ron: too bad... My Zip is a SCSI james: am i still here? BobSlopsema: scuzzy, that is like when you don't shave for a few days, eh? BobSlopsema: yup you are here James Guy B.: I have an old 2X IDE CD-Rom. That could work too? BobSlopsema: or more inportantly you are THERE! Ron: No that's FUZZY Dale: Well, the IDE adaptor only has one channel. That means only two devices at a time.
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left chat session Dale: If you've used the partitioning software it allows you to say drive 1 or 2. Guy B.: Much like the PC's can support. rich-c: Can it have more on the Adam? I have two channels on my DOSbox rich-c: Which partitioning software, Dale? Dale: I bought my 100MB internal IDE ZIP drive new from a retailer for $64. rich-c: That's a very good price, even for Toronto Dale: (Canadian). Ron: mine cost me $100 Dale: Guy, you said that you had a good price from Tiger Direct, right? Ron: but that's a Left Coast price (Island) rich-c: yes, but how loong ago did you get it, Ron? Ron: 1 year Dale: The SCSI ZIP drive are more expensive.
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changed username to james rich-c: SCSI are always more expensive james: okay, i've closed a bunch of windows so my connection should be more stable.. BobSlopsema: WB james! Ron: was interested in fitting it only to the the older Mac (LC475) at the time Dale: Guy, yes the 2X CD-ROM could work. I've done the really low level drives for a CD-ROM... Ron: And the room will be warmer James rich-c: by the way, saw a SCSI Mac CD-ROM external for $25 today james: what i would like to see is a way to have several adams accessing the same drive, rather than more than one drive on a single adam. Dale: but there is more work to do. I think that the IDE ZIP drive will use the same info, and I can release it quicker... Ron: interesting Rich. Have one of those here too on the LC475. About same price Ron: used Dale: because it simply will use the regular Adam file system. Guy B.: So, any kind of IDE drive could work with the hard drive interface. Now, how do we go about transferring software to it? rich-c: yes, this was at Cash Converters Ron: Now tell me something James..... is there anything on the Hello Kitty tape...haven't checked yet.... james: bob, i should be able to send you a money order sometime next week and you'd hopefully get it by the middle of november. Ron: Formulae for how to run the world or make a million bucks???? Guy B.: Tigerdirect.com has one going for $39.95 without any kind of rebate. BobSlopsema: ok james: yup, i put a copy of steamroller on it for you to try. pull the cart reset then the computer reset and select cart#1 rich-c: that's about $60 Canadian - plus shipping, plus duty, sales tax, ... Ron: ok. I was gonna play it on my stereo....guess that wouldn't work eh? Dale: Well, I bought a 105MB Quantum drive at a local computer show for $3.95. I can use the first 64MB. james: it *would* work but might not be very pleasant :) Dale: Similarly I should be able to use the first 64MB of the ZIP drive. james: i'm interested in what you're doing dale - i might try it too as having removable media would be very handy. rich-c: With partitioning, could you convince it that there were two 52Meg drives there? james: here you go bob: http://www.retrotopia.com/ Ron: how about the MOUNT command ?? Ron: can you MOUNT different partitions? james: click on "retrotopia store" at the middle right. rich-c: Does Adam have a mount command? Ron: under TDOS rich-c: Oh, that's a furrin languager to me Ron: seems to me that Guy Cousineau had a way of causing ADAM to look at partitions .... not sure james: i'd like to get tdos. can someone send it to me? it's pd, right? BobSlopsema: got it! rich-c: right, James. The main issue is configuring it to your machine Ron: yup James. Not a problem. Would need to know your drive setup and memory onboard Ron: and also what you're using for a video display rich-c: get it from Ron, it cuts about 4000 miles off the trip!! james: i've got two machines. one has a 64k expander, two tape drives and a disk drive. i'm using the standard video out to tv. james: could i not configure it myself? Dale: So it turns out that I don't know what it would take to make use of the full 100MB drive. Ron: yes, you can actually, so I could just send you the base version rich-c: It's tricky as you have to have the system on teh disc you use to install the system james: like buying a book on how to read.. rich-c: youi got it Ron: you have to teach the z80 to count hier than 65535 Ron: that's right Rich james: there must be docs around for it too, right? rich-c: Does a Z80 have enought fingers and toes? Dale: James, you should be able to download it from somewhere. rich-c: Yes, usually you get the basic docs on the same disc james: okay. sounds fun. another project to add to my list. Guy B.: Why wasn't the hardware portion ever made to compensate for the larger hard drives? If it's possible to divide the partitions up. Maybe it could work out different. Ron: I'm not sure that the full system was available anywhere other than Compuserve james: hope to get back at translating smartlogo once my patio stones are done. Ron: Actually James, I could probably e-mail it to you, along with instructions on how to open it and Ron: transfer it to ADAM. james: bob - did you try pulling cart reset first? Dale: I think it is on http://coleco.free.fr/ Ron: hmm james: thanks! a friend of mine is sending me a couple of 5.25" pc drives so i'll be able to use that software rich sent me to transfer it. rich-c: Ron, my DOSbox won't read or write 360K discs on the 5-1/4 drive any more BobSlopsema: not yet, this DARN machine won't run the "good" stuff like ADAM software.........(easuily) rich-c: others are reporting this problem too rich-c: how are you managing to get Adam stuff back and forth with your DOSbox? Ron: you mean ADAM formatted? Ron: Usually use Chris Braymen's PC2ADAM.... seems most reliable james: my suggestion for making dos boxes read/write 360 disks is to do a floppy boot from an old dos disk. none of that windows Ron: or for TDOS, 22Disk james: crap to get in the way. Ron: that's true in my experience James. Have an old XT around here whose sole purpose in life is just that Dale: James, maybe I could mail you Rob Friedman's TDOS distribution with some extra floppies, in exchange for that Hello Kitty tape. BobSlopsema: YES< use an old computer! rich-c: I was doing fine reading 360 floopies then suddenly Windows wouldn't read them any more Ron: That's the one that used to be on Compuserve Dale, and it's probably the best for the newcomer james: maybe i should invest in a 286 :) (they're lighter than xt's to ship) james: dale - i've got a tape ready for you too - just nead your snail mail address. Ron: did you try it late at night Rich? BobSlopsema: I can't even format disk for the ADAM decently on a windows machine, but the old 286 in the back room does it quickly and efficiently Dale: James, some of Ron's suggestions are on http://www.adamcon.org/12/ now. Guy B.: Rich, make sure your BIOS is setup to read 360K disks. james: will look at those for sure. thanks! Ron: Found that the newer 5-1/4 HD drives don't know about the old stuff rich-c: I have checked myBIOS, Guy, and it has the provision james: makes sense. you can only carry downward compatibility so far without running into constraints. rich-c: I think I even told it at one point the disc was now a DD, but it didn't believe me rich-c: maybe I can try something in Win 3.1 - it isn't as cranky Guy B.: What Windows version are you using? Dale: The 5 1/4 HD drives are designed to read the older disks, but really can't reliably write the older ones. Ron: go right back to Mess-DOS james: dale - i've got a tape for you. yours has sparkles on it! Dale: Thanks James. james: need your postal address.. rich-c: Guy, I use Win95B but also have a 3.1 partition Dale: I'll send to TDOSGIVE (which is Rob Freidman's version of TDOS). BobSlopsema: go back to reg dos, because that's what you need for 22DISK and ADAM-DOS rich-c: OK, my 3.1 partition of course is really DOS, 3.1 being a program not an OS Ron: iMac the Grape has returned Ron: with a new CPU rich-c: not a whole new motherboard? Guy B.: Make sure that Win95B hardware is setup correctly. It could think that you have a 5 1/4 high density rather than the double density. Ron: nope. Just the CPU Dale: James, I'll send it to you. Ron: local dealer had to convince Apple the CPU's fail now and then before they'd send one rich-c: Guy, my 5.25 drive is HD but they're downward compatible james: rich, dale - will be in toronto on sunday april 1st, 2001 rich-c: how many kids will you have in tow? james: don't know yet where we'll be staying, but somewhere near the train station, eatons and cn tower. could meet with you guys james: at our hotel once the kiddies are asleep. Dale: April 1! What happened to June/July? Guy B.: Maybe it can't read it correctly. If you used a genuine 360K drive from another PC, then it should read correctly on a HD drive. james: at least 13, no more than 15.. BobSlopsema: James, it looks like from the utopia site, that the game is actually a pd release james: lots has happened while you were away! james: if you want the rom yes, it's free. they are selling actual carts too for $29.95 last i checked. Dale: I'll meet you. Keep me up to date. Eaton's reopens Nov 25. rich-c: just pick a hotel with a decent bar in it or nearby Dale: They've been advertising like crazy. james: :D BobSlopsema: carts are sold out till they make more...... james: actually can you guys refresh my memory? are the cn tower and eatons centre within walking distance of each other? james: if i'm not mistaken the bus and train terminals are close too.. BobSlopsema: heck it's been 8 years since i went there....... rich-c: in august yes, easily. In early April .... Ron: Rich, tell Frances that 'some' progress is being made on getting the Amiga mags mailed. Need to wrap them
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changed username to Pamela C. Ron: about the size of shirt boxes rich-c: Hi, Daughter!! Guy B.: Hi Pam james: we'll be dressed warmly :) Ron: hey, Pam! BobSlopsema: hey PAM Pamela C.: Hi, Dad and good evening all! Dale: I'd say about a half hour walk. I usually take the subway (though I guess it's barely worth it). james: dale - it was my intention to go in the summer but apparently the kids are too busy. there was the issue of airfare too, which james: almost doubles. so for the last month, i've been reworking our plans. rich-c: I walked from the Bay (ex-Simpsons) over past Metro Hall via underground a while back Ron: keep me posted too James. Gonna try get down to Vancouver when you go thru rich-c: that's further than Eaton Centre to teh Royal York or Union Station james: well, if we need to take the subway, it's no big deal. rich-c: If I can do it at my age, reckon the kids should have no problem at all Pamela C.: Subways are good. Where are we going? Dale: Hi Pam. Ron: you still planning on a stop at Vancouver? james: sounds good ron. we won't have much time though as we're not "stopping". we'll have our 3 hour layover and that's about it.. BobSlopsema: well, Ron can pack more into 3 hours than you know James!!!! james: wish we could but the good people at aircanad have decided they now charge an extra $150 for an extra stop and we're using our Ron: oh ... ok... well that won't work... although depending on date, I might meet you at the airport rich-c: given the nature of airline layovers, you may not meet at all or have the day together james: "free" stop in calgary to go to banff on the way out. Ron: That will be super James. You'll like that Pamela C.: Make sure you bring your woolies. james: my worst nightmare. let's not go there. stuck in an airport with a bunch of 12-15 year-olds. james: hi pam! :) rich-c: yes, that drive into the mountains from Calgary - wow Pamela C.: HI james: i'm looking forward to banff too. i've never been there. Ron: Are you on your own with this group James? Dale: Oh, BTW, Jillian says hi to everyone. rich-c: you're on plain prairie and then zap - you'd swear you were a thousand klicks into pure wilderness james: how are you pam? Guy B.: HI Jill! Ron: Hi Jillian BobSlopsema: HI JILLIAN!!!!! james: ron - no, thankfully, i've got a friend who's helping me out. so we've got one supervisor for the boys and one for the girls. Ron: good. You NEED that Pamela C.: Hi Jillian; I'm good but my fingers don't want to work properly rich-c: Dale, say hi to Jill for me too Ron: a case of the FIMBLE NINGERS Pamela C.: exatcly james: my wife may not be able to make it as we're still trying to have a baby. earth's down to it's last 6 billion people so we have to pull our weight! :D rich-c: don't work too hard at it, James, there's lots of time yet Ron: OH yes, I remember those days....back when the earth was flat and there were dragons Pamela C.: You know, James, a vacation could be just the thing to take care of that. Think hot tubs, private rooms . . james: indeed - helps for accomodations too. if we can get two sets of adjoining rooms, one for the girls and one for the boys, it works out well. Guy B.: James, it can be difficult, but I hope you have one soon.
moved to room Meeting Place james: we've tried. actually, the problem is medical. my wife can't conceive without medical help. Ron: aw james: i've been very clear to the doctor that i do *not* want octuplets. rich-c: right, and it's a hazard these days james: for now, we'll just keep "trying" ;)
changed username to BobS Ron: :) case of careful what you ask for, you might just get it ? Pamela C.: If recent events with my friends are anything to go by, things will work out. Guy B.: That kind of what happened when I was married, but she nevered followed up to see if was me or her. james: *i* suggested that it could be me but the doctor is convinced that it's my wife. rich-c: Bob's gone and split his personality again Pamela C.: The great thing about multiples is, you can get it over all at once BobS: my #1 daughter had our 'miracle' baby grandson #1 via artificial BobS: i beg,beg,,,uh,beg your pardon SIR! Guy B.: Bob, you're split again. james: we might do that if after a year or so things don't seem to be working. it's an option. BobS: tha's only because i got disconnected but not lost on here james: pam - we have a high incidence of twins on both sides of the family and these shots my wife was given apparently increase BobS: had to start ovrer and reconnect james: that incidence further :) i won't be at all surprised if when she does get pregnant, that it's twins :) BobS: calm down son........ Pamela C.: Twins are good BobS: daughters' #2 boy came as a surprise about the time she was going to go to the doctor for another wack at artificial! james: well, whatever happens, happens. i don't need to grow up just yet ;) Pamela C.: the one thing about being an only child was I didn't have anyone to torment - perhaps a good thing? BobS: good attitude!
rich-c changed username to Frances james: as the eldest of three boys, i think i'd have done fine as an only. Pamela C.: Sometimes having one jump starts the system Frances: Greetings - Richard's gone for a stroke Pamela C.: Hi, Mom BobS: a STROKE????? Frances: Oops, smike james: i've heard that too. the first one takes months and the second sneaks up on you. BobS: O Ron: I like the way you put that Frances Frances: Greetings, daughter! Guy B.: We all know what Frances means. He'll be back. Pamela C.: Mom, you seem to have inherited my fimble ningers james: hello frances!
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changed username to meeka Guy B.: Hi Meeka! Frances: Ron, there still are dragons; they are just around the corner, out of sight Pamela C.: Hi, Meeka! meeka: hello BobS: Hi Meeka! BobS: HEY, is the garage door working ?????? Guy B.: How's everything going with you? Frances: Hi, Meeka Ron: good crowd tonight meeka: not yet. :( Pamela C.: very good! Frances: Pam, I ned to ask - did Danny cut the lawn? Ron: everybody check out Meeka's web site james: what's the url? Pamela C.: Yes, on the Thursday before you got home Dale: Hi Frances. Dale: Hey Meeka. I haven't made it to see your new pictures. I gotta make it there. Pamela C.: It's family night at the website Frances: Hi, Dale. Did Jill tell you that I met her at the Needlecraft Show? Guy B.: Well gang, I haven't had anything to eat yet as I had a busy afternoon. So, I'll see you all next week. Pamela C.: Mommy, did you buy me anything? Pamela C.: Bye, Guy! Frances: No! james: bye guy! Pamela C.: Why nooooottt??? Frances: Nite, Guy meeka: see ya later Dale: She did. She came back quite impressed by some the equipment on display there.
Guy B. left chat session Frances: Didn't see anything, daughter Ron: Nite Guy Pamela C.: Next year I'm sending a list with you meeka: Dad, Doug wants to know if you are busy on saturday Ron: Bob is always busy Frances: What impressed me the most at the show where the quilting machines Pamela C.: Dale, what does Jillian do? Is she a sewer or a needleworker? james: how many families we got here anyways? Pamela C.: AT least two, I'd say james: :D Frances: No, three Pamela C.: I really have to repeat Grade Two math james: ron - if all goes according to plan, we'll be at vancouver international airport from 10:10 to 14:15 on thursday march 28, 2001. Pamela C.: I have just one question Mom, where would you put it? Frances: Jill wants to knit a sweater, she told me Ron: ok James. Will keep that in mind. there's always excuses for me to go to Vancouver james: i'll treat you to burger king, if that'll persuade you! Dale: That's what Jill said too. There was some full sized ones, that could do any pattern. Ron: HARVEY'S Frances: I don't know - it would take a whole room Ron: pullleaze BobS: no, can look at it then I guess james: dunno if they have harvey's at the airport.. Ron: nope. unfortunately, so Booger King will have to do Pamela C.: Ahh, the BK lounge Frances: Dale, what is the name of the friend that was with Jill - the wife of your friend Dale: Mosly Jill does knitting. james: okay, burger king it is. not sure if *i'll* be up bk after having been on trains and planes for the better part of a day. but Ron: pair of socks, green, size 11 Jill james: you my friend shall have thy burger. Pamela C.: The Clee family leans toward needlework and sewing machines (the younger and older generation) Ron: right at the moment James, I can't see any reason for not being there, but we'll see Dale: That was Kim. She was with us for lunch at AdamCon 0Ch. Ron: remember james: okay, i'll keep you posted as the date draws inexorably closer. Pamela C.: Why green, Ron? meeka: why not purple Frances: Yes, I knew her but couldn't remember her name and she speaks a little softly for me Pamela C.: Or fuschia? Ron: because everything I own is green Dale: Ron, LOL consider the request forwarded. Ron: not TEAL..(I'll never know what colour they are) Pamela C.: You know you're going to get a pair of purple, green and fuschia socks now, right?> Dale: ROFL Pam. Ron: :) YUP Pamela C.: Looks good on ya Frances: Jill, Kim and I agrred that we would like a 13-room house james: be back in a sec, gonna go nuke something for lunch.. Ron: ok James.... pay attention to it.... don't burn in haste Frances: one room for my computers, one for my sewing machines, one for richard's computers, one for the quilting machine Pamela C.: One for Dad, one for A.D.A.M's house , one for Dad . . . Ron: our humble home is full of unconsumed Halloween candy Frances: Ditto Ron: which neither one of us need Pamela C.: James, nuke is a really bad word to use in Japan BobS: :-) Pamela C.: When am I coming over for dessert, Mom?> Ron: Pamela! Frances: What dessert? BobS: talk about invitin' yourself over.......... Ron: I could send you some Haloween stuff Pamela C.: Leftover candy was the subject, I believe? Or will there be any left? Frances: Don't need any, thank you BobS: only empty wrappers are good wrappers........ Pamela C.: By the time I get it, Ron, it'll be soup Ron: what's need got to do with it? Pamela C.: Exactly Pamela C.: I have to remind everyone that my mom thinks the best things in life are chocolate Frances: Lots left and I'm trying to ignore it with little success Ron: beats sex Frances: No comment Pamela C.: Well, I wouldn't go that far james: okay i'm back. i might disagree with you on that point ron.. Ron: me either Pamela C.: Mom, you didn't hear that Frances: Nope Ron: yeah, but you're still young , my son james: and lovin' every minute of it :D Pamela C.: Methusalah strikes again Frances: Saw a cross stitch pattern at the show Pamela C.: just one? Ron: let's hear it for celibacy and chocolate james: when my doin' days are done i'll move on ;D Frances: dragon says, why bother hoarding gold when you can hoard chocolate Ron: :) Pamela C.: : )) Frances: My favourite flavour is chocolate ice cream! Pamela C.: I am my mother's child james: any white chocolate fans here? Ron: sometimes I think the Good Lord played a cruel joke on me meeka: yes Frances: I certainly hope so! Ron: gave me an insatiable desire for chocolate, and a place to put all of it Pamela C.: The problem is trying to keep the place from expanding Frances: However, your father is looking over my shoulder, so he gets the keyboard back. Nite-all! Ron: exactly! james: LOL Pamela C.: Nite Mom james: nite frances1 Ron: niters Frances. You guys need a gateway down there Dale: Bye Frances. Good to see you. Pamela C.: Or more computers
Frances changed username to rich-c Ron: they need a LAN BobS: nite Frances Pamela C.: Now THERE's an idea rich-c: when we get an ADSL line maybe we can network in the Amiga Ron: that way they could both be on at once Pamela C.: And since I;m at home, that would be fairly easy james: i'd kill for adsl out here. Ron: should be possible eh? rich-c: prices are coming down now - saw one at 33.29 a month oday meeka: well i had better get going to. Just droped in to say hi to everyone Ron: James, I heard about a 5.(something) earth quake southern Japan was that you? Ron: yesterday, or day before? rich-c: of course that's twice what I'm paying now for dialup Pamela C.: Nite Meeka, good to speak to you BobS: bye Meeka Pamela C.: go tamco james: i don't think so but we're still getting lots of little ones. Ron: go straight home Meeka BobS: did ya get my answer????? rich-c: nite Meeka see you again soon I trust
meeka left chat session rich-c: sorry Pam, John keeps talking ADSL but can't seem to get it put in Pamela C.: What is ADSL? Ron: I'm too far away from 'tin-can-central' james: asynchronous digital subscriber line. high speed internet. use your phone at the same time. Dale: James, the only way to get multiple Adams to use the same harddisk is to run multiple copies of AdamServe under Windows 9x. rich-c: asynchronous digital subscriber line Ron: have to be within 3 miles of downtown Courtenay Pamela C.: Ah. Pamela C.: Not enought string, Ron Ron: that's right james: hmm.. too bad there's no way of hooking up to a hub via adamnet. Ron: there's gotta be some relation between ADAMnet and USB as implemented on iMac Ron: sure feels pretty close to the same Pamela C.: I gather the iMac is healthy again Dale: Could be a hardware project. You'd just have to make an interface for AdamNet to USB as a client for instance. Ron: yes...just got it back today. New CPU Pamela C.: Ouch Ron: so now I gotta put stuff back on my drive Ron: fortunately it was still under warranty rich-c: how come you klost the drive? james: did they renew your warranty? Ron: bought extended warranty protection.... james: good idea. Ron: 2 years - $150. Dale: To get started, maybe try a USB joystick modified, or something. There are really cheap USB chipsets ($2 or 3) around. rich-c: Ouch! Pamela C.: Is right! Ron: yeah, I know.... one way or another they get ya... and now I'm a little gun shy Dale: Some day, I'll start making USB devices. I've got to wait for Linux's support for USB. It's almost done now though. Ron: right Dale. I suppose it's a different set of protocols and all, but it sure performs the same Ron: glad to hear that. My CD burner is also USB rich-c: maybe that will give me an excuse to install Linux on my DOSbox Pamela C.: Why do you need an excuse? rich-c: I do have USB ports but everyone says Win95B doesn't support them properly Pamela C.: Oh Ron: i have it installed, my challenge is actually using it for something Dale: It is a very similar protocol. You just need to make a buffer that sotres and forwards packets between the networks, ... Dale: since they don't operate at exactly the same speed. rich-c: I have the Corel CD which includes Netscape, and a CD of StarOffice Ron: and that is True Rich. tried my cd burner on the p200 when imac was away, it recognized, it Ron: started to format a disk then it died Ron: and wouldn't recognize the drive any more rich-c: do you have Win 95A or B, Ron? Dale: If we made a hardware USB <--> AdamNet device, then we coyuld theoretically hook up to 127 Coleco Adams to a server PC ... Ron: P133 won't recognize anything USB despite the fact that W98 says it's working normally Ron: Win98 2nd edition on both Dale: and have them all share the same AdamNet harddrive.l rich-c: I didn't know there were any P133 boards made with USB ports Ron: so now iMac is back it all becomes academic Dale: Richard, Win95B has some support. Often enough support. I guess you just have to try. james: dale - i like that idea! Dale: Richard, yes, I have one for sure. rich-c: I get a little twitchy fiddling in the BIOS - I've done it but don't like it Ron: there's an idea Dale: Though I admit I've had my own problems getting it to work. Ron: should try Win95B. Have that around here somewhere Ron: Dale, any real worthwhile differences between Win98 2nd edition and Win ME? rich-c: I was looking at Win98 yesterday - they still want $130 for teh upgrade package Dale: There is your mission James for the next AdamCon in Japan then. Ron: saw the latter in the store today and fingers began to itch Ron: but I resisted rich-c: The upgrade from 98-2e to ME is only $68 james: adam to usb interface. i'd need alot of help on this. Dale: Ron, basically anything really worthwhile is downloadable. Ron: yes, that was what they wanted Dale: SE is reported to be more stable anyway. Ron: ok, glad I asked rich-c: The local computer columnists do seem remarkably unimpressed with ME Pamela C.: I'm running Win98SE and so far haven't had any problems Dale: I'd be willing to try and help any way I can. james: i'm using win98 se. cost me 27,000 yen for the full version. it's somewhat more stable. somewhat slower to boot even on my p3-500. Ron: brb...gotta stand up for a minute. The mind can only absorb what the ass can endure rich-c: I'm getting due for a new computer but the technicals are in such a state of flux I'm dubious about moving rich-c: I have so much legacy stuff I don't want to write off Pamela C.: Could you upgrade instead, Dad? Dale: The main differences are the new Media Player, which s downloadable. And the video editor program, which isn't very good, and only exports Windows media player format (.ASE) rich-c: Nope, problem is moe slots and bays and ports Pamela C.: okay Ron: I have a book here by Aubrey Pilgrim entitled "Build Your Own Pentium III PC" Think that's what I'm gonna do next Ron: already it's dated rich-c: I do lust for USB and Firewire and such, but at what cost? Pamela C.: I have a couple of takers when you're ready to offload the old one Dale: I recently helped a friend try and upgrade, and the conclusion we came to was it was cheaper to buy an eMachine than upgrade. rich-c: Yeah, go for an Athlon instead, Ron james: dale, what would be involved in making the adamnet<->usb interface? Ron: yes, was my intent, and he mentions that....he also says that you don't save as much money as yoyu rich-c: Don't buy an eMachine - their warranty is ship the old one back, we'll send you a replacement Ron: you used to by doing this, but still the experience is worth the effort rich-c: Nice enough except there goes your hard disc and all its contents Dale: The new machines use different motherboard, cpu type, memory, and ATA-66 prefers different harddisks. rich-c: I think my current board is UDMA 66 Ron: after my experience with iMac, I will not buy another computer out of a store Ron: at least not new rich-c: I did upgrade my hard dsic but it's still 5400 rpm Dale: And of course the case and video card slot are different too. It is just the floppy drive and CD-ROM, keyboard, and mouse that can be moved over. Pamela C.: No wonder they're called peripherals rich-c: How do you move the keyboard and mouse if the new machine is USB with no legacy support? Ron: well, you can get a usb mouse for about 13 bux Dale: Rich, I've seen those machines, but they are mostly iMacs still. Ron: keyboards are also available .... although here they're more expensive Dale: The keyboard, mouse, CD-ROM and floppy drive can be obtained for about $100. So my friend ended up getting those too. rich-c: Really, if I did upgrade, I'd have to junk everything and start over rich-c: Likely couldn't even transfer my programs since they're Win95 at best Ron: yes. Up to this point Rich, I've been able to being hard drive, keyboard, video, etc from my old one Ron: but that's coming to an end rich-c: After what I went through installing the new hard disc, I don't want a repeat Pamela C.: Oh, the words we heard rich-c: yes, and you were on the other side of the city1 Pamela C.: But you project so well Ron: air was turned blue was it? Pamela C.: and how! rich-c: ...given inspiration - and I had a lot Pamela C.: Where do you think I learned it? Dale: The programs will all work Richard, but you'd probably have to reinstall. rich-c: junior high Pamela C.: Please, it was at least high school rich-c: reinstallation might not be that bad an idea anyway, I must admit james: :D Ron: I've had mixed experiences with that Rich. Some will copy, some will not Dale: My rule of thumb in Windows is reinstall once a year is good for the blood. rich-c: by the time you've installed and uninstalled as much as I have, even scandisc and defrag get overwhelmed BobS: well, guys and dolls........I have to head off into the sunset now. see ya'll next week, yes??? Ron: agreed Dale. Amazing how much I leave off during an annual exercise like that Ron: yes Bob. Sleep well....hi to Judy rich-c: We'll be looking for you, Bob. Sleep tight Pamela C.: G'nite Bob - ditto BobS: Ok gang!
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changed username to james rich-c: string break again, james? Ron: indeed... I want all my MP3's and movies back too...now we'll see if the RW CD really did RW james: yeah, must be pulling on it too hard. Pamela C.: must be the dolphins, James! Ron: just on my way out James....thanks again for the tape....will hav a look at that tonite too Pamela C.: Nite, Ron rich-c: see you next week, Ron Dale: Bye Ron. Ron: nite all.... if you hear screaming from the west coast, you'll know it's not going well Ron: bye james: bye ron! Pamela C.: I must remember to close my west windows james: guess i'll close my east windows..
Ron left chat session Pamela C.: It's all in the perspective rich-c: James, what are you going to be doing about feeding the kids on your trip? Pamela C.: Dad, please. They're teenagers. james: they'll be bringing their own money for food and spending :) rich-c: Are you going as a group to restaurants? james: probably, there's two supervisors and we'll usually be in places that have several restaurants, so everyone can try what they want. Dale: Do you think that they'll survive a western diet for a whole trip? james: shouldn't be a problem at all :D these kids will eat anything. rich-c: Dale, he should take them to The Old Spaghetti Factory on his day here rich-c: Maybe we could even go down and join the party james: that sounds like fun. we'll be in toronto from lemmie check.. james: 5 p.m. to 11:00 am. the following morning. james: after that, we're going to niagara falls by bus and then coming back to toronto that night. Pamela C.: What date? I missed that part rich-c: wow, that doesn't give you much time for sightseeing james: not alot. we're basically doing the cn tower. i was asked by the parents to keep the schedule light. james: pam - dates are sunday april 1st, arrive in toroto at about 5 pm. rich-c: these days the twoer complex can provide a night's worth of muischief with no problem Pamela C.: Need to check my calendar - I could use some culture james: doing niagara falls the following day and then coming back to toronto that night. james: since our flight is out of toronto the next morning (tuesday april 3) and i don't care for niagara falls all that much. Pamela C.: Just ask about the glass floor they've put into the indoor observation deck - it's a mind boggler james: i've been on it. someone remind me to bring extra underwear. james: don't like heights. rich-c: at Niagara make sure you hit the butterfly aviary Pamela C.: I couldn't do it. Couldn't make my eyes and my brain believe each other james: we'll have *lots* of time in niagara. rich-c: not necessarily - it's about a three hour round trip, and you've got to eat, and there's potty breaks, and herding... Pamela C.: Souvenirs james: still, we'll be in niagara from 1 p.m. until 10 p.m... rich-c: that's going to get you back to Toronto pretty late - hope your flight isn't too early in the morning Pamela C.: At least if you exhaust them, you'll have no problem keeping them out of trouble rich-c: will you have your own tour buses? james: as much as i'd like to get back earlier, if we want to see the daytime falls and the nighttime lit falls, then our only choice james: of bus back to toronto is the 10 p.m. greyhound. before that, there's only 6 pm.. rich-c: OK, that answers my question rich-c: Pity we can't assist, but my van only takes eight rich-c: or five in its usual amulant attic configuration rich-c: ambulant james: that's about half our group. i've considered renting a van, but i don't want to drive while we're travelling. Pamela C.: Dad, you retired from teenagers - do you really want to play taxi? Excuse me, that's junk drawer rich-c: sensible, especially in this area rich-c: on our trip teh only place I had problems driving was Toront Dale: The butterfly farm is quite remarkable. Pamela C.: It's the only place I ever have problems,either. james: *exactly* i've driven through toronto with my wife. that was enough. 7 smart-asses along for the ride would not help my nerves. rich-c: and I spent over a quarter century honing my experience on 401 in rush hour james: i've driven it twice. that'S twice too often for me. rich-c: for anyone Pamela C.: You just need more practice james: i've been to the butterfly museum. it's nice and relaxing. Pamela C.: It's on my list of things to do when we go back - we did it in '92, before we had wheels james: i've gotten very used to country roads in the japanese countryside. even ottawa was a bit of a shock to the system when i went back in rich-c: pity you can't sneak away to one of the wineries - some are really nice now james: march. james: winery sounds like too much fun! rich-c: believe me, it is, but teenagers can't go in james: dale, you up for meeting us while we're in town? rich-c: or rather they are limited Dale: Definately. james: there's a winery in a city near here. teenagers, kids everyone goes in. despite the higher drinking age (20) here, there's Dale: I'll get a chance to practise my very weak Japanese. james: a far more relaxed attitude towards youth and alcohol. Pamela C.: Adamcon 11.5 is coming together in this conversation james: probably why you don't hear of binge drinking to excess over here. rich-c: well, even Ontario has made some progress that way, but there's a long way to go Pamela C.: My japanese is limited to thank you very much james: :) you'll pick some up. my students' english is far from even conversational. rich-c: but you'll have them well taught before you arrive, I'm sure Pamela C.: At least my good grades were in languages but that was a long time ago james: whenever they have festivals here, i see all kinds of kids drunk on sake. james: i'm working on it. i only get them for an hour a week and they can only learn so much :) Pamela C.: I'm told that sake wears off after an hour - that could be a wives tale Dale: I'd like to strengthen my Japanese, but I haven't made it to Japan yet. :-( rich-c: alcohol is alcohol - your body metabolizes it at a set rate james: well, if you keep drinking it, like i do, it tends not to :) it does have the nice effect of not causing much of a hangover. james: mind you, could just be me. i always stay awake until the effects wear off. Pamela C.: I am against hangovers on general principles - I just stop drinking rich-c: usually only the hard stuff makes for a hangover - though with enough excess, you can suffer the wrath of grapes - or hops james: i've been working so much lately that i haven't had a drink in *long* time. Pamela C.: define long james: i can't remember. maybe in the summer some time. Pamela C.: Dad, send that man some real wine rich-c: don't know what I'd do without my weekend glass of wine Pamela C.: Maybe you can convert him, since you're not having much luck with me james: i have 5.5 classes on sundays, but come march i think my sunday will be free again. rich-c: now that's what we should get him to smuggle home - some Ontario icewine james: do you like sake? Dale: Hmm...I find that Vodka keeps the hangover away. The worst is mixing drinks. Pamela C.: Mixing is deadly. rich-c: I've never felt teh urge to try it - I like wine, and good beer james: yes. do not mix. especially with beer, as my at-the-time 17 year old brother found out. Pamela C.: Russell (my husband for the uninitiated) reccomends it rich-c: I haven't sworn off the hard stuff, just never seem to want any james: got a nice photo of him passed out on my father-in-law's lawn. Pamela C.: Sake, I mean Pamela C.: Is that a blackmail photo? james: nah. pretty much everyone there got a photo :) rich-c: At Oxford, they say every gentleman is entitled to get drunk once rich-c: did that convince him he's had his once? Pamela C.: Too bad. I hear they're almost as good as baby-in-the-bathtub pictures. Does that go for the ladies too Dad? rich-c: Back then, they didn't have ladies at Oxford Pamela C.: And your point? james: no. he still goes up cottage partying with his friends and very quickly loses his sense of direction (ie: up vs. down) rich-c: Use the picture if he is unconvinced he's had teh once Pamela C.: He doesn't ahve a drinking problem. He gets drunk, he falls down, no problem james: yeah. well, he's barely 20 so it's to be expected. rich-c: With which - it's getting on, still have to check teh email. Have to call it a night james: he might come over for a few months next summer to help me teach and make money for his tuition. Pamela C.: He'll grow out of it. Even my mother admits I've improved with age james: okay rich, was nice talking to you as always! will be sending you e-mail too as i'm ready to buy that other stuff from you. rich-c: Hope I'll see you all here next week james: i'll be here :) rich-c: Goodnight all Pamela C.: Good night Dad, I am heading out too. I'll call later in the week. rich-c: OK Pamela C.: Goodnight, everyone. james: jee dale, i guess that leaves just us. bye pam!
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Pamela C. left chat session james: test.. james: you here dale? Dale: Sort of. Dale: Watching TV at the same time. james: :) i don't bother with tv here much. not until i get a satellite dish and i can get some real programming. Dale: The Play Station 2 is out now in North America... Dale: I've been thinking about getting one, if I can find a store that has any... james: just now? been out here for months. not that anyone could get ahold of one if they tried. Dale: Many of the first 500,000 were preordered. Then it is 100,000 per week until Christmas. james: want me to see if i can get you one? don't know if it would get past customs.. Dale: Hmm...would the Japanese one work here? Dale: I hear that the new NA one had a 3.5" hard drive bay. I think I'll hold out for that. james: apparently so. i've heard the machines are not regionalized. never understood what the point of that was anyway. that and someone james: figured out that people are just going to modify them anyway. Dale: Well, I guess you're right about that. Dale: I have a friend here that got a DVD-ROM drive... Dale: and when he had trouble with playing a DVD movie, ... james: i'd like to get a dvd player that can play discs from any region. Dale: he downloaded a new drive BIOS with the regional country code blocker disabled. james: cool. can you do that for the standalone tv set players? Dale: I don't know how you would update a player... james: maybe i'll make a trip to hong kong then :) Dale: but with the DVD-ROM player it is as easy as running a Windows updater program. james: almost makes it worth getting a dedicated pc and tv tuner card. Dale: Yup. james: anyways, i think i'm going to get more lunch and get ready to teach. i'd like to talk more about the adamnet usb interface idea sometime. Dale: I've heard about updated ROMs for the regular players, but you'd need to get the right one. Dale: I'll see you later then.. Dale: We'll talk more about the USB/AdamNet idea. james: see you again soon! james: okay, maybe we can start an e-mail thread or something. Dale: Bye for now. james: *poof* Dale: Sure. That could be a good idea.
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