rich-c: you're early, James james: morning :) rich-c: how's things in Japan? james: not too bad. after a week of 25c and sunny weather, things have cooled off a little. rich-c: count your blessings - we were cloudy and 10 today, with rains forecast for the next 48 hours james: :) sure you don't live near ron? rich-c: no, we just inherit his weather about three days later rich-c: actually so far the weather bureau has been right on - fall has been warm and dry james: a nice change after a cool and wet summer, no doubt. rich-c: well, summer didn't have much in the way of heat waves, but it was very tolerable james: my mother was rather disappointed with all the rain they got in ottawa. rich-c: in fact if this is a preview of global warming, looks like Ontario is the world winner rich-c: didn't realize they had had that much rain up there james: i've been thinking about that recently. i don't like global warming, despite some of the apparent benefits. rich-c: well, there are benefits and drawbacks rich-c: we do seem to have global warming, but there's a lot about it we don't know yet
moved to room Meeting Place james: i guess if any country stands to benefit, canada would. i doubt the polar bears agree however.
changed username to Mr Jive rich-c: they are already having trouble - can't get out on the ice in time to feed when they need to Mr Jive: hi everyone james: morning :) rich-c: Welcome aboard james: i've read reports that some are as much as 25kg lighter than this time last year. Mr Jive: evening :) rich-c: yes, and they are giving Churchill a rough time loitering around so long, and hungry rich-c: were into global warming, Mr. J james: can't say i blame them. doubt i'd do any different. people create problems and then expect not to have to deal with them. Mr Jive: Go global warming! rich-c: right, you're on the prairies, aren't you? james: hope you can swim.. Mr Jive: It was -20F with the wind chill in wyo yesterday. Mr Jive: lol james: ouch. it's alot warmer than that here. sure you wouldn't like to live in japan? rich-c: yes, you got the same storm that's been giving Alberta a rough time Mr Jive: No way freezing to death is better than getting fried by Godzilla. rich-c: hey, it's in the 50s in Toronto - wanna become a Canadian? james: ;) he won't bug you unless you bug him first. Mr Jive: lol rich-c: in Japan they worry more about earthquakes rich-c: or is that just Godzilla stompin' around? Mr Jive: Godzilla makes the earthquakes all that stomping around. Mr Jive: lol rich-c: so how do you like your election, J Mr Jive: What a fiasco! james: was about to ask about that.
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changed username to Pamela C. rich-c: do you get teh impression that the Yanks are kinda split, James? james: i think either way they are getting a bum deal. rich-c: Hello daughter - you made it early Pamela C.: Good evening, my fingers aren't working yet james: moring pam :) Mr Jive: I'm ready to split up into about five seperate countries. Mr Jive: Hi pam rich-c: that's OK, with our election I'm still trying to figure out who most needs voting against Pamela C.: G'day James - how's life tomorrow? james: looking good. ;) james: rich - when is the canadian election? seems to be the one thing they don't say on all the web sites. Mr Jive: Vote for the person who will take you to hell the slowest. rich-c: know what you mean, J; we're very regionalized too Pamela C.: Hi, Mr. Jive - I don't know your real name
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changed username to Guy B. Pamela C.: That's better, Doug - thanks james: oops. will fix my calendar. had the 22nd marked. Guy B.: Greetings All! rich-c: Hello Guy Mr Jive: Hi Guy Pamela C.: Hi Guy james: i'd vote ndp but i guess all that "testosterone has dulled my brain".. hear about that? rich-c: just talking e4lections, Guy james: morning guy :) Guy B.: Hi James, things cooling off in Japan now? james: a little, still, we're hovering around 16 or so. Guy B.: That's about where we were until today. Pamela C.: We've had about a week of cooler weather, I think it's been about 10 most days rich-c: Pam, did you feel our summer was cold and wet? James' mother has been complaining Guy B.: Well, finally the dust has settled in the elections and I'm glad it's over. james: yeah, except you still don't know who's won :) rich-c: they've stopped yapping at you, Guy, but there still isn't a decision Mr Jive: Better that way! Pamela C.: Definitely. We had more rain and fewer hot, sticky days than usual - thank goodness rich-c: Well, we didn't have to water the lawn much, but I did feel our precip was being delivered just in time Guy B.: Well, here in Illinois, we had congressional races and they were trading negative ads all over the place. Even bombarding my mailbox. Guy B.: It's raining here in Chicago right now. Pamela C.: For some reason the pols can james: i've noticed that about american political campaigns. you guys really fling the mud around. Pamela C.: 't seem to stop attacking one another - happens here, too Guy B.: It never ends. james: not that they don't in canada. rich-c: I figure they're lying in any negative ad, just like they do with anything else james: i figure they're lying all the time. Guy B.: And just think I have to do this in 2 years as we have state elections. Pamela C.: Boy we're a cynical bunch - right, but cynical rich-c: depending on who wins the presidency, you may be very glad of that, Guy james: i'd still take it over what alot of places have. i'm not particularly interested in chinese style leadership. Guy B.: You maybe right Rich. Mr Jive: In Nevada "None of the above" got 2% of the vote. rich-c: yes, and the Japanese political scene has been a bit chaotic at times Pamela C.: Someone in Nevada has a sense of h umour Guy B.: Well, who did got above 2% rich-c: I think "none of the above" should be a ballot option Guy B.: Let guess the two we already know. james: i hate japanese politicians. they're so.. greasy.]
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changed username to BobS Mr Jive: Hi Bob Guy B.: Howdy Bob! Pamela C.: Hi, Bob rich-c: well, at least they're talking about doing something about NTTs rates BobS: Howdy MATES!!!! rich-c: Hi Bob james: yeah. and it'll only take 10 years. BobS: solly to be late, but was playing with pcmcia card modems i got today rich-c: well, they've got to get their bribes from NTT first james: in any case, deutsche telekom just started up in october for long distance. much better rate than my previous provider. Guy B.: Did all of them work? james: 25 yen a minute to canada instead of 98. rich-c: that's an improvement BobS: yup! rich-c: but I gather your pols are upset that high rates are inhibiting internet development james: now if only things would start to happen on the local dial-up scene. Pamela C.: What's the current exchange rate? james: yup. rich-c: about .014 yen/dollarC Guy B.: All 56K or some lesser speeds? james: 100 yen = 1.42 cdn, or 93 cents u.s. as of last night Pamela C.: I cant tell if that's good right now, my brain is too tired BobS: 28.8k cell ready for whatever that's worth rich-c: the yen has been strong of late rich-c: it's even holding better against the Yankee dollar than the Canadian dollar is james: guy, i'm lucky if i get 33.6 but the problem right now isn't just the bandwidth but the ridiculous dialup charges
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changed username to Meeka Guy B.: A friend of mine from work gave me a 28.8 PCMCIA card and I haven't tried it out yet. Mr Jive: Hi Meeka james: canadian dollar is undervalued. Guy B.: Hi Meeka. Meeka: hello everyone Pamela C.: HI Meeka BobS: hi Meeka! rich-c: hello Meeka - daughter #2 joins the group rich-c: Pam is here already Guy B.: What's Doug doing tonight? Meeka: right now he is watching tv Guy B.: Drew Carey?? rich-c: well, looks to me like the Yankee dollar is headed for a mighty fall Mr Jive: How'd you know Meeka: no Voyager Pamela C.: Nice to know we all have the same taste in TV james: the $c is relatively strong compared to other currencies. Pamela C.: Two of my favourites rich-c: yes, and sales of US products are hurting here Pamela C.: The problem is that we're comparing it to the US dollar and it always looks bad james: i've *got* to get a satellite dish soon. japanese t.v. sucks. rich-c: they must be really down in other countries whose currency is doing far worse james: a low canadian dollar is bad for states like montana that sell wheat and florida that sells tourism. Guy B.: You don't have cable in Japan James? Pamela C.: Just look at the Euro - it's lost a quarter of it's value since intro in '98 james: a new zealand dollar gets you 39 cents u.s. an aussie dollar gets you 52.. james: not where i am guy. i'm out in the country side. rich-c: but look at the euro - it started at $2.00 Cdn, now it's about $1.31 rich-c: and the pound is sinking fast too Guy B.: Oh, then a sattelite dish would work out perfect for you. Now the question is which one to get and what you want on it? rich-c: the U.S. economy isn't that export-dependent Pamela C.: Does that mean nothing but TV off air? rich-c: and it sure makes imports like oil cheap james: i think it will strenghten (the $c). we just paid $12 billion on our debt, unemployment is still high but not chronic and the economy is growing. rich-c: I'm sort of sniffing at a satellite dish too james: i've found the satellite service i want. i'd get fox, discovery channel, some news and some radio. i don't care for j-pop. Pamela C.: Oil is cheap by our standards, but it doesn't make the Americans happy even so rich-c: really what's needed is for the US dollar to back off to more realistic levels Pamela C.: Yeah, devalue it. Let's see what happens to the economic giant then james: well there's a whole other debate, re oil. i really think it's time to get off an oil dependant economy. rich-c: it would be good for them, Pam rich-c: right now I think they're headed for trouble rich-c: we're working on that in Vancouver, James james: i want to invest in ballard. Pamela C.: Don't go there, Dad, I am not particularly happy with the Americans at any time rich-c: You is one, kid, or at least you have a claim james: really pam? why? Pamela C.: Both my parents were born in th e US so if I wanted dual citizenship, I could get it Pamela C.: As to why, I don't go there - I try not to judge all of them by some bad attitudes rich-c: and besides, we have enough bad attitudes at home - eh, Stockwell? eh, Lucien? james: i'd like to see lucifer, i mean lucien's head on a pike. Pamela C.: And to those Americans who are here, I know this sounds bad - please don't think I mean everyone by any stretch rich-c: oh, we're not a bloodthirsty people - warlike, but not bloodthirsty BobS: GEEZ, THE 3 OF US OUGHT TO HIDE, EH? BobS: caps OFF rich-c: Don't go there, Bob
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changed username to WBurnside james: it's okay bob, i like americans :) Guy B.: Hi WB rich-c: wow, getting a real mob scene tonight BobS: COOL BobS: hiya Willie WBurnside: Hello all! Pamela C.: No, Bob - you at least know where Toronto is and I appreciate that rich-c: Hello Willie! BobS: line 'em up!!! Pamela C.: Hi Willie james: hey willie! thanks for the tape! Pamela C.: Okay, I'm going to find some crow now
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changed username to Ronald BobS: good lord, another one! Guy B.: Hi Ron. WBurnside: You got it James! Excellent and you are welcome! rich-c: welcome Ron BobS: speakin of Vancouver aisland Ronald: Thank God we don't get as much government as we pay for rich-c: how are the webbed feet coming? Meeka: hello ron Ronald: Hi all! james: hey ron. WBurnside: Hello Ron! Pamela C.: Hi, Ron BobS: another one! Pamela C.: Suddenly, I feel popular Ronald: Just watching Larry King Live Ronald: and I'm getting real confused rich-c: rather watch Latrry King dead? james: hi pam. Ronald: :) BobS: just read one line at a time sir! BobS: and it will all become clear! Ronald: oh ok Pamela C.: Tangents abound tonite Guy B.: Here I have Yahoo Messenger up. Ronald: Never went to Electoral College BobS: and........ BobS: isn't that a MESS???? Ronald: wild BobS: and no end in sight rich-c: wonder who will graduate? Guy B.: Good question? BobS: hey, you guys get to"enjoy" the fun Nov 27th....... Ronald: somebody said this afternoon that the Electors aren't bound by the vote in a state anyway james: like i said, either way, a bum deal. james: not that we have anything better in the way of selection. Ronald: yeah Bob, we got our own version of this stuff rich-c: well, there have been "faithless electors" james: you voting bloc quebecois ron? :D rich-c: but it is definitely considered infra dig BobS: saw a nasty article about Jean and Stockwell and Joe yesterday Ronald: Oui Monsieur! BobS: no they are not! Ronald: je suis in vrai Quebecois rich-c: they deserve it, Bob Ronald: un Pamela C.: Vive la Quebec libre! james: too bad the flesh eating bacteria stopped at his leg. BobS: :-) Pamela C.: : )) Ronald: anyway.... it has nothing whatever to do with the ADAM Ronald: either side of the border james: no? rich-c: if they hadn't given up Adams for those other machines rich-c: maybe they wouldn't be in such a mess now BobS: "Chretien's flip-flops and unfulfilled promises" it says......JUST like BILL!!!! Ronald: how did Michigan go Bob. Did your people win? Pamela C.: Oh I think they'd have found some other way to mess up BobS: nope! wante Bush, because Gore is just another Clinton.... BobS: lost........ rich-c: Hey, now his wife is a senator Ronald: aha ic BobS: don't that beat all????? james: i don't like liberals because that's how they spend. liberally. i don't like pc's. mulroney ruined them for me.
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changed username to Dale Pamela C.: how long before she dumps him? Any bets? Guy B.: Hi Dale. BobS: where but in US could she just decide to settle down one day and ruin for congress the next Meeka: hi dale Dale: Hi all. Pamela C.: Hi, Dale WBurnside: Hi Dale! rich-c: hello Dale, didn't see you come in BobS: hi Dale!!!! Ronald: Dale, my son! Mr Jive: If Bush wins the election Hitlary will run for pres in '04 james: hey dale. Pamela C.: Is that a typo, Doug? Guy B.: Gang, we have 10 of us tonight. Mr Jive: No BobS: Pam, she should dump him the day after he becomes EX president rich-c: I doubt it, Doug - maybe later, but not 04 Ronald: yep Jive....heard that theory suggested today somewhere BobS: Bet you are right doug BobS: or in 2008 james: i can't see chretien involved in a sex scandal for some reason ;) Pamela C.: My guess would be '08 - she needs some experience first Dale: When I got home and checked the how many network connections were active I couldn't beleive it. Mr Jive: She said she just wanted to be senator but just wait... rich-c: depends on who wins this year and how badly he messes up Ronald: ok, has she ditched Bill by then? Pamela C.: Gee, I wonder why? Could it be that sexy smile? Guy B.: She might try 2008. Will have to see how she fairs. BobS: yea, right james: must be :) that and his way with words. Pamela C.: okay, fer sures on that Mr Jive: She'll be too old in '08 Dale: brb rich-c: don't kid yourself, James - the quiet ones have lots to be quiet about Ronald: almost got the idea today that some of the commentators wished Bill Clinton would stick around for a third term BobS: DALE, ya just got here! james: brb.. Pamela C.: The devil you know, versus the devil you don't rich-c: if the American people had their way, Billy would have been a candidate - and would have won BobS: read an article awhile back, and it said Bills legacy was leaving the economy alone! Ronald: yeah Pamela C.: There's nothing that says he can't run again in '04 rich-c: not sure how the relevant constitutional amendment is worded BobS: the older I get Rich, the more I am CONVINCED the typical population is dumber than a fencepost Pamela C.: Can't be three terms back to back, I believe
(Guy B. laughs heartily) Ronald: you can roll up the border on that one Bob BobS: don't think it can be more than 2 terms at any time unless a war situation rich-c: Bob s, it took you a long time to figure that out Ronald: Ok Rich Clee....Trivia time rich-c: ga BobS: I AM gettin' smarter as I chase you upthe hill Richard.... ;-) Ronald: There are 10 recognized political parties in Canada. Name 6 Pamela C.: tick,tick,tick Ronald: kj:) BobS: uh.......article i saw aonly had 3 Ronald: i mean :) rich-c: Lib, PC, NDP, CRAP, BQ, CAP, Marijuana Party, Natural Law Party Ronald: this is according to the Elections Canada website Ronald: I don't get out much Guy B.: Is that your Final Answer? Pamela C.: rotfl, Guy Ronald: smart aint't he? BobS: YO WIN THE 250,000 PRISE!!!!!! Ronald: what CAP? rich-c: no, just partial, but he only wanted 6 Guy B.: Looks like Rich knows his politics.
left chat session Pamela C.: You forgot the Green Party, dad Ronald: he forgot Green party and Marxist-Leninst rich-c: Paul Hellyer's bunch - Canadian Action Party Ronald: ok. right on Pamela C.: Communist, I think Ronald: now.... Bob S....don't you feel better? rich-c: I prefer to forget the Green Party Pamela C.: So does most of the country BobS: yes, I do, you got as many "nuts" up top as we have down under! Guy B.: We had Ralph Nader under the Green Party here and he was a factor in some states. rich-c: don't like Nader, don't like the Kraut version, and don't like ours Ronald: :) james: wife needs to use the damn fone. be back soon. rich-c: c u later BobS: ok will wait for ya! Pamela C.: ciao for now Guy B.: Ok, James. Hope she won't be long. james: yeah, me too. Ronald: some silly person is now pointing out on CNN that if Al Gore had carried his home state...he'd be a winner now
james left chat session Pamela C.: Gotta be embarrassing Mr Jive: lol rich-c: and if pigs had wings they'd be pigeons Ronald: :) Pamela C.: they are Guy B.: Well, he didn't. Maybe Tennesseeians know something he didn't. Pamela C.: Is that a word? rich-c: anyway, I thought Tennesee only had 11 electoral votes Ronald: good somebody spelled Tennessee BobS: that is true, gore blew his very own people!!! Ronald: two 'n's 2 's's Ronald: ?? WBurnside: Yes Tennesse only has 11 votes rich-c: was last time I visited, but you know these mountain folks.... Mr Jive: Tennessee is pro-gun and Igor use to be until he hooked up with Klinton Ronald: and 260 plus 11 is enough Guy B.: But, Gore got the BIG prize. California with 54. BobS: and THAT would have put hijm smack dab onthe money for winning! Ronald: but no rich-c: oh, in Toronto Gore only had 249 last time I looked Ronald: I like Bill C. rich-c: and Shrub had 246 so Florida was teh key Ronald: he says, "The American People have spoken, but it's going to take a while to figure out what they said" Pamela C.: Are they all speaking the same language? BobS: leave it to that nerd to put in his 2 cents rich-c: it'd be censored in teh Bible Belt anyway Pamela C.: Somebody get a translator, quick! Ronald: in other news..... Ronald: my iMac hasn't busted yet WBurnside: The American people nearly spoke their way to a tie. Look at the popular vote count! rich-c: it could have been closer - but not much Pamela C.: that's good news, Ron. How long do you give it? BobS: comeon!!! yo just got it back last week, right???? Ronald: have 2 years more warranty protection so the beast will live happily ever after rich-c: maybe you should have bought it in Tangerine instead Ronald: yes Bob BobS: I mean you got a NEW one last week BobS: my vote is HOT PINK Ronald: no...just a new G3 processor Pamela C.: or Banana-Kiwi rich-c: but those are so passe now the G4 is out
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changed username to james Ronald: the Mac club was out last night - regular meeting- at a place called Skookum Sound. They do animations Pamela C.: Welcome back, James Guy B.: Welcome Back James BobS: WB james! rich-c: but that's james coming back Ronald: for various cartoons on TV.... neat demo right here in Comox james: test rich-c: you're here, james Ronald: loud and clear James Pamela C.: 1..2..3.. james: thanks. so are we talking less politics now? Pamela C.: Ron changed the subject Ronald: yes Guy B.: Now we to talk computers. james: anyone talking about adam? Ronald: interesting to note, that even with all the Mac sitting around, bulk of the work rich-c: we're all in favour Ronald: is still being done on hand drawn story boards Ronald: and sent to Vancouver by fax Ronald: or courrier Guy B.: I'm going to scrap my old 486. Dead CMOS battery. Anyone want it? It will be minus the floppy and hard drives. james: what speed guy? Ronald: replace the battery Guy Guy B.: 486/66 BobS: well if ya take out the good parts, who wants the carcass???? Guy B.: It's soldiered. BobS: SO? Meeka: do not try to give to dad. Mom will have a fit Ronald: can prolly be bypassed Pamela C.: lol, Meeka BobS: got a LOT of them already Meeka james: hmm.. shipping would be pricey anyways. Meeka: so does doug james: bypassed with what? pushpins? Guy B.: I can see why. Then Judy will blame me. BobS: that is the problem; shipping kills any deal Ronald: no BobS: how many 486's ya want????? Dale: I'm back. Ronald: already got two here BobS: hey, ya want some 386's????? james: me? i've already got 5.. Pamela C.: welcome back, Dale Ronald: already got 3 here james: dale - need your snail mail address if you want that tape. Pamela C.: got one here BobS: oh, oh, the BOSS is here, GET TO WORK!!! ;-) Ronald: how about 286's james: bos - got some p2's you don't want? :D Pamela C.: boat anchor, Ron BobS: got a few of those too I think Dale: James, right. Got to email that to you. Guy B.: I already transfered the emulator back to the P133, Geoworks will go to the 386 which I installed Novell DOS 7 last Sunday. Ronald: bite your tongue! Ronald: perfectly good and able computer BobS: I just like to look at them James, and dream of the POWER they have all inked serially together Ronald: we need a moderator to keep us on topic rich-c: why? wandering is fun Pamela C.: who's gonna volunteer? Dale: I helped a friend build a new Athalon Thunderbird from scratch. By is it fast. james: i'd like to be able to hook up a few adams to a file server of some kind. usb, whatever works. Ronald: speaking of which,, Mr Clee... tomorrow there will be two parcels dispatched your way rich-c: by the way, Pam, did that TI arrive while I was away? Guy B.: What speed Dale? Ronald: sorry for the delay..... it was a rountuit problem Dale: What is the topic tonight, Ron? BobS: IF I linked my ADAM's and Richard's ADAM's together, we could get to Saturn OR Jupiter!!!! Pamela C.: Nope rich-c: I'm very familiar with those, Ron Pamela C.: Either that or it got stolen off the porch Ronald: Dale...... Using ADAM for fun and profit james: ron - have you sent the disks you were going to send me? Guy B.: Profit???? rich-c: likely didn't come - Char has been having back problems Ronald: yes sir, they left here 8 days ago Pamela C.: We keep waiting Dale: It was a 900. Could have gotten the 1100 if we wanted to. james: must be the post office. thanks ron :) Ronald: i have no idea how long it's supposed to take james: neither does the post office, i bet. Guy B.: Whoa, that's speedy. I'm looking at a 600 for my new one. Ronald: Ok....an ADAM related question..... rich-c: I keep being tempted by the ads, but I'm still doing nothing my 386 couldn't handle Ronald: is everybody here going to send me a Powerpaint pic for the xmas card? Dale: The video card is so fast that it needs a cooling fan. It's a GeForce 2. james: what's powerpain? Ronald: tic tic tic tic james: powerpaint? i mean. Guy B.: Gee, I've never done before. Any tips??? rich-c: I've been asking Frances for a .bmp but she's got other projects going Ronald: ADAM's premier draw pgm James james: hmm. is it pd? Meeka: doug says that lots of the newer cards need fans Ronald: um..... no rich-c: nope, it costs james: how much? Dale: I intend to send you MTAG's one from last year, and a new one from me for this year. rich-c: I think about $30 but let me check - brb Ronald: or should I drop the idea.....(should happen sooner or later) Ronald: just asking Guy B.: Ron, how many did you get last year? Pamela C.: No, don't drop it Ron, it' great. I've seen past ones Ronald: Bob S, and MTAG, that was about it.... oh Loran Guyaz BobS: yup! use PowerPaint; get clips and put them together just like the ol dosbox does in MSPaint.....ADAM invented it y know Dale: Well, they're fun, and I like hearing the new music that you add to them Ron. james: i'm going to have to go soon. my wife's parents have the day off today and i think she needs some help around the house. Ronald: and then I put some MIDI xmas carols with it, and it's really quite neat Ronald: priorities James rich-c: looks like $27.95 on disc, james Ronald: I kinda enjoy doing it, so I guess we'll carry on BobS: BUT, james can draw them in hrp or smartpaint of hgr right Ron?????? Ronald: yes he certainly can BobS: hear that James?????? james: okay rich. maybe i'll pick up a copy. i have to get going now but will be sending you e-mail soon. Ronald: you can use pretty much any graphics format you want. Just bear in mind Guy B.: There should be some PD programs that do that. Dale: James, do them any way you please. 256x168 is the desired size. Ronald: that if you going to do it on an IBM, stick to 16 cols james: yes! maybe i'll whip up a japanese xmas card for you :) Ronald: colours WBurnside: Bye james! Dale: MTAG's one was done in Logo rich-c: ok we'll catch you later - have a good one, james BobS: see ya James Ronald: good James Guy B.: See you James. Pamela C.: Neat. Have a good one, James Dale: So we know who uses Logo here, right? Ronald: nite James Mr Jive: bye james BobS: forgto about that possibility Ronald........ james: logo. yes. i'll make a logo program. dunno why i didn't think of that first. james: bye all! Dale: Bye. BobS: Willie, get busy...use MSPaint and keep it to 16 colors! Pamela C.: Obviously Mom needs to get in gear, Dad james: dale - don't forget to e-mail me, eh!
james left chat session WBurnside: OK! Dale: Okay james. Ronald: Frances has done some very nice work in previous years Pam. rich-c: yes, she could do it easily on teh Amiga and I can conveert the file BobS: we have a NEAT program to swap 16 bit color ibm pics into ADAM PowerPaint format Pamela C.: I know. BobS: Frances is retired also, right??? then she can take a few minutes and make a card for us poor workin' stiffs...... ;-) rich-c: pity I have no artistic skills Pamela C.: You should see some of her recent electronic birthday cards for Dad Pamela C.: She likes to do one almost every year Ronald: I'll bet BobS: Richard, you never know till you DO IT! Pamela C.: Mom quit working in 1965. She has yet to retire Ronald: today I work harder
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changed username to Ron Ron: ok... Pamela C.: Ah WBurnside: ok Guy B.: That's what happened. Ron: I disappeared....which is quite a task Dale: It's been running continiously since around Sept 18.
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changed username to rich-c Ron: these things happen Dale Pamela C.: s'okay rich-c: what happened, cat got teh cord again? Dale: It needed to reset the chat server. I think it had be on for too many weeks. MrJive: lol glad it wasn't just me MrJive: blushes Pamela C.: but I was feeling very lonely for a while there rich-c: I'll bet Ron: laws of electricity were momentarily repealed Dale: Well, the conversation stopped. rich-c: notice Guy hasn't made it back yet Dale: Then it took me a minute to realize that it was more then that. Guy B.: Nothing was moving there for awhile. Thought I ran out of messages. rich-c: ah, you are there rich-c: it's Bob and Meeka we're missing Guy B.: Of course. I thought I got hung there. Dale: So wehere were we? Pamela C.: Meeka signed off while we were dropping off rich-c: and Bob will no doubt be back in due course Ron: talking about.........(senior's moment...)
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changed username to Bob rich-c: took you long enough, Slopsema Pamela C.: Is that like a blond moment, Ron? Bob: all of a sudden Iwas talking but nobody was listenin...... Ron: we all faded Bob Bob: was online...tried to come back 3 times and didn't end up here rich-c: funny you should say... Pamela C.: Imagine Dale: Hi Bob. I had to reset the chat server, so everyone got dumped. It had been running continously since about Sept 18. Ron: resistance was futile Bob: I think Dale is tryin to getr rid of us! Bob: long aws ya got an excuse sir! rich-c: oh well, gave me time to check the email (to verify my connection) Guy B.: I doubt that. Bob: that's what I tried and son of a gun, I WAS still onine, scratched me head Guy B.: Gave my dog a cookie that's made for dogs. Bob: and couldn't figure it out rich-c: cookies made for dogs I don't mind; cookies for computers are another story Pamela C.: Welcome to the 21st century Bob: my ADAM never did tah on the Zonk's BBS......hmmmm Dale: Well, in 5 months I've always reset the server about once a month. This time I didn't. Ron: cookies are bad for my health Dale: I guess it was time. Guy B.: You should clean up those cookies every now and then Rich. Pamela C.: cookies are bad for the computer's health rich-c: I just don't buy them in the first place, Guy Bob: eat them suckers Rich!!! Pamela C.: Get out the Pac Man cartridge Bob: yea, I should dump everything here ....one of these days Ron: I should object to them...... to me data mining ought to be illegal rich-c: remind me to send out another clooz - about the new MS cookie cruncher Pamela C.: Hear, hear Bob: ah,GUT idea!!!! WBurnside: Which pac man cartridge Atari 2600 or Atari 800 computer WBurnside: I have both rich-c: 2600 of course, that's the one you can use with the Adam Pamela C.: 800 - it's what I started on Dale: The 2600 version for the ColecoVision expansion module. Pamela C.: Back when an 800 cost $1200! Bob: I'm gonna get out my 300 baud modem and get on the net...that'll fix 'em, it don't accept "cookies" rich-c: yeah, but the net don't accept 300 baud WBurnside: Yes Pam, and that is without the disk drive Guy B.: And some sites won't work if you don't accept their cookie. Ron: have had sites say something to the effect..."you've turned off your cookies, turn 'em back on or we don't go Ron: any further" Bob: I'll just tell them it is a 14.4, thy're too dumb to know..... Dale: Does anyone know what happened to Steve Pitman? firstname.lastname@example.org bounces. WBurnside: You could buy a tape drive for it cheaper! Ron: (roughly paraphrased) Dale: His web site has disappeared too. Pamela C.: Don't I know it. I went with my boyfriend of the time to get his - all cash. Shoulda known then where his heart lay MrJive: Hey Bob I got the Videotunes tape you sent me. rich-c: he was mirroring on Scott's site, wasn't he? Bob: nope, havent' visited lately Bob: GOOD, do it work better tahn the first one??????? MrJive: Uh, no it didn't. Dale: Nope. But then again, Scott's site is AWOL too last I checked. rich-c: no changes requested through the mailing list, Dale? MrJive: Did you test it before you sent it? Bob: I tested tah sucker before it began its adventure........what gives! Dale: I removed Steve P when his mail bounced. Bob: self booting...... MrJive: Wow really strange. MrJive: I'm going to change tape drives in my machine Bob: does your DDD work with all your other stuff AND the stuff I sent ya before????? Dale: I'm starting to think that I should mirror all Adam sites on my servers, so I can find them later. rich-c: if you've got teh space, Dale, it could be well worth it Bob: that is an idea Dale Ron: we need a stable central source - Dale MrJive: Yes every other DDP I've put in has worked ok. Ron: or Bob S Dale: I have 3GB of space at AdamCon.org, and I could always add more. Guy B.: I hope to have mine up by Thanksgiving. Working on the docs now. Ron: we appreciate that Dale..... we do indeed Bob: tha IS strange Doug........change drives and let me know Dale: I hadn't mirrored anything previously because I wanted a distributed redundant source. MrJive: ok will do Dale: But maybe mirrors are the way to go. rich-c: makes sense, Dale MrJive: I don't like the tape drive that came in it anyway. Bob: "mirrors".....simply another set of the same files, yes????? rich-c: mirrors help when a link goes down Ron: guess I'm not really familiar with the concept, Dale, and it's pro's and con's rich-c: at least not everything is lost to the community then Dale: Michael Hurst often suggested that he was going to do theadamresource.ca Dale: So Michael's site would have everything that Scott's site had. rich-c: well, Mixchael has other things on his mind at the moment Ron: oh? Pamela C.: Have you heard from him, Dad? He called me while you were gone, but I didn't have time to talk Dale: Ron, my old position is really more of a social statement than a technical consideration. rich-c: Yes, he's a witness in a court case that has him rather upset rich-c: details will not follow Ron: do we want to hear them? Pamela C.: Really. I guess I need to call him Dale: But if I make an automated mirror of other available sites, then it would be basically no problem. rich-c: I think when he gets over it we'll hear from him Bob: EVERYTHING makes Michael upset doesn't it??? Pamela C.: He's a very excitable type of person rich-c: there are reasons, Bob Bob: undoubtedly rich-c: anyway, Dale, mirror sites I think would serve our community well Ron: Don't think I've ever met anyone who forces me to look in the mirror so much Ron: anything that keeps continuity Dale rich-c: and it also has teh effect of a central archive Ron: Back to James' earlier question... is Powerpaint PD? Bob: tha is one thing we have been missing, as one after the other ADAM BBS went down and then the web sites went south one by one Bob: a lot was lost....... rich-c: an aside - Dale, does anyone still use Rexx any more or has VB supplanted it? rich-c: none of the Digital Express programs are PD Bob: NO! it was "given" to be used to support ADAM conventinos etc Dale: The social statement that I don't like is that I feel like I'm hoarding all of the information (in a giving away sense). Bob: but as long as there are Rich's copies ther he has to get the reg price out of them rich-c: if you're mirroring you aren't hoarding, you're insuring Dale: REXX is quietly spreading, I think. rich-c: anyone doesn't like it can visit the origina; Dale: But it is more back end with web browsers on the front end. Dale: The question is whether anyone still uses VB to some extent. Bob: when those are depleted, things can change pricewise..... rich-c: Bob, if I sell a copy, you get the royalty for ANN Ron: You are doing a valuable service for the community Dale. Ron: and you have the background to do it properly Bob: but do you have purchased copies you have to sell off now???? rich-c: Bob, I have authority to copy forever as long as ANN gets its cut when I do Bob: any interest of late????? rich-c: and yes Bob, I do still have some purchased copies rich-c: you have to be kidding, right? Bob: see, those have to go first, at your selling price...... Bob: some of these new owners should want things like that........ rich-c: true, but it won't vary much Bob: unless all the ADAM's sold on Ebay are just fro people to collect and set up and looka t...... rich-c: which seems to be the case rich-c: I have had one or two inquiries, but little in the way of sales Ron: depressing Bob: to me, it is more fun to use it just to see what it will do and explore things a little...for that yo need programs Bob: tha is what was the most fun when Doug and I first got an ADAM rich-c: right, but all we can do is let it be known they're available Bob: bought stuff and dove right into it to see what it did rich-c: maybe Terry Fowler is getting the business Bob: don't think so, he is trying everything to move stuff....auctions, offers, etc rich-c: you have to remember most Yanks are paranoid about buying from furriners Bob: he is high though, although he has a web presence......... Guy B.: Well, I'm going to go. See you all next week. WBurnside: Bye Guy B Pamela C.: G'nite Guy Bob: BUT you are a presence ont he web also, got your online catalig right on my webpage.... rich-c: OK Guy, you've been quiet tonight - maybe better next week? Bob: seeya guy MrJive: I'm going to bail to. Nice chatting with all of you. Ron: nite Guy Pamela C.: Nite, Doug WBurnside: Bye Mr Jive Guy B.: Bye Doug. rich-c: See you next week, Doug Bob: seeya Doug MrJive: Bye everyone
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MrJive left chat session Ron: what time is it? rich-c: yeah, I'm known to be around, but the Canadian address may be puttring them off Bob: 10:50 EST Ron: 7:47 on the left coast Bob: 7:50 island time rich-c: my clock says 10.50 and is two minutes fast Pamela C.: Almost bedtime Ron: :) WBurnside: 9:47 in the midwest rich-c: yes, it's getting there, daughter. Pamela C.: some of us have to go to work in the a.m. Ron: Pamela, did you ever have much to do with the ADAM? Bob: right! Ron: or was that for Mom and Dad? rich-c: and it ain't fun seeing the sun come up from your office window Pamela C.: No, that was strictly my parents area. However, I got to hear all about y'all through the convention talk and the pictures Ron: aha Bob: hope it was good! rich-c: andf you did live with teh thing in the house for many years Ron: it was supposed to be for the kids eh? Pamela C.: Was good, did live with it, even wrote an essay or two on it but was computer illiterate until I got my most recent job rich-c: her boyfriend of the time had an Atari Bob: NO WAY! you can't trust kids with expensive machinery Ron: agree Bob Pamela C.: You could trust this one. He was ahead of his time with anything electronic Bob: and the aDAM was still considered expensive when it was introduced Ron: indeed it was Dale: I used it for essays when I first got it... rich-c: It cost what computers always cost new - $1099 Dale: My hand writing was awful. Bob: :-) Pamela C.: So was mine, but I took so long to type that it was easier to write most of the time Bob: tha is about the figure to hit , isn' Bob: t it Dale: So I typed all of my assignments on Neil's computer at my families business. Ron: I wonder now if any student anywhere can submit an essay hand written? rich-c: Yes, I bought my Adam because I wanted a typewriter that worked the way I felt a typewriter should Pamela C.: Considering the typewriter we had, I'm not surprised Bob: were there even decent dot matrix printers out there when ADAM was born????? Dale: But that interfeared with his work. Dale: So I got an Adam. WBurnside: Well Goodnight gentle people! I am off to sleep, perchance to dream! rich-c: c'mon, that old Smith-Corona Clipper is still a good machine Ron: aye there's the rub Dale: I think that he was more excited than I was. Bob: see Willie! REMEMBER, pic fro Ron! Pamela C.: Good nite Willy - sweet dreams rich-c: May flights of angels sing thee to thy rest, Willie
WBurnside left chat session Ron: yes please....PICs for RON Ron: Xmas Pics, that is Bob: got a note right here Ron, then I WON'T forget! rich-c: he's gone, Ron Ron: attaboy! Pamela C.: The only problem was it had a tendency to skip a space when you typed an "a" rich-c: yes, it still does that, just don't hit it so hard rich-c: but as typewriters go, it has a very good keyboard feel Pamela C.: If you don't hit it hard, the keys don't move! Dale: Neil (and family) gave me the Adam for Christmas. Ron: never noticed that Bob: see???? it was broke then and is still broke! Bob: not the ADAM Ron, richard's ol typewriter Pamela C.: Dad bought our first adam at a Canadian Tire sale Ron: ok Bob: and then the saga began! Dale: At the time we had a daisywheel printer at the office, and so this system was a pretty good substitute. Ron: a place called Pascal Hardware in west Ottawa Bob: now he is a "pacman" when it comes to computers of any kind, eh? Pamela C.: You should see the collection he has now! They've taken over the basement Pamela C.: Mom' Pamela C.: s having a fit Ron: you haven't seen a real basement Pamela Bob: I know the feeling, Judy is ; shall we say; a little overwhelmed???? Ron: until you've seen the Snakepit here rich-c: trust me, Ron, she has Ron: oh Pamela C.: I lived in it for a while before Dad took over Dale: In Toronto most people seemed to buy from Canadian Tire or Princess Auto. rich-c: now to go in she needs an alpenstock Ron: you mean mine is tidy? Ron: hah Bob: hey guys and gal, I gotta take off for outer space too...... rich-c: you know how many cubic feet 50 Adams take up Pamela C.: Neatnick is not a name I would give him Bob: hit the sack..... Ron: no Pamela C.: ZZZZ rich-c: right Bob, it's that time. See you next week Ron: I go too..... must remain faithfully glued to CNN...but gonna do some Xmas carols Bob: see ya all next week, lord willin' and the creek don't freeze over........ Ron: nite all Bob: :-) Pamela C.: G'nite to you both
Bob left chat session Ron: stay warm rich-c: right - time for a cigarette break, and got to get the recycling out... Ron: yup..garbage night here....must tend to that rich-c: so I'm off too - goodnight all Ron: be well Pamela C.: Same thing every week. The car hasn't learned it's own way to the subway yet, so sleep is a priority Dale: Nite Rich. rich-c: nite Dale, Pam Pamela C.: G'nite Dad, See you Sunday Ron: Work on that Pam
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