james: good morning :) rich-c: good morning, james rich-c: your usual punctual self, I see james: i'm glad you guys moved back to standard time. rich-c: how are things in Japan this day? james: for the five minutes of it for which i've been up, pretty good :D rich-c: no earthquakes or such overnight, I gatehr james: they seem to have subsided for the time being. we still get the occasional rumble but nothing that would wake one up. rich-c: fact of life when you live on teh Rim of Fire james: how are things in the centre of the universe? rich-c: anyway, glad to see you're into sprite manipulation and fractals with Logo rich-c: I assume you have already heard teh lection results james: it was a fun program to get working, though the fractal trees had me stumped for a little bit. james: yeah, another 4 years of chretien. could be worse, could be better. hear apathy was at an all time high. rich-c: well, close to it. we only had a 63% voter turnout james: alot better than the 50% south of the border.. rich-c: now he's bragging about the great endorsement, when 3 of every five votes were for teh other parties
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changed username to Meeka james: morning meeka :) rich-c: the expectation is that will happen - hasten the day! Meeka: Hello rich-c: hi Meeka. Pam says she won't be on till 10 james: i think with martin as opposed to chretien we would have seen higher voter turnout and a stronger liberal majority. rich-c: I think she's got one of her pet TV shows on rich-c: yes, james. I think you are right Meeka: that's ok. Not sure if Dad will be on tonight. rich-c: how come, Meeka? rich-c: he hasn't sawn off any more fingers, has he? Meeka: right now he is in my basement with Doug playing with old 486 machines
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changed username to rich - again james: welcome back, rich. rich - again: OK, I hope I'm back in business now rich - again: and I hope Meeka is still with us too rich - again: anyway you were asking about the weather here Meeka: ya - i'm here for now :) james: how is it? rich - again: we've been having a typical Toronto November rich - again: but today we actually saw some sunshine which got the temp up to 5
rich - again changed username to rich - c james: downright balmy compared to last week then. we're still at about 10 and cloudy. rich - c: yes, our Novembers are usually cold, wet and dull rich - c: we do have a bit of a cold wave coming in - highs around 0 next few days james: we won't be seeing that for a few weeks yet, though we did have mixed precipitaion the other day near here. rich - c: and they aren't promising us many peeks of sunshine either rich - c: you don't see that much freezing weather in your part of Japan, do you? james: i've got some good news - the town government here wants me to teach them computers. rich - c: if they're willing to pay properly, go for it! james: not until late december, really. we did get alot of snow last year but it very rarely goes lower than -10 on the coldest night. james: a typical winter, no lower than -8 rich - c: once I saw -30 in Toronto but we usually feel hard done by if it gets as low as -20
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changed username to Guy B. rich - c: hello Guy, how's things is Chicago? Guy B.: Greetings!!!! Guy B.: Raining here. james: we had -40 something in ottawa once. that was damn cold. rich - c: how is Jeasnine coming after her operation? rich - c: sorry 'boutthe spelling, Guy james: the good people of the town government will have to pay for their computer lessons. i'm not a volunteer organization. rich - c: I trust you have made that quite clear to them - as a serious businessman should Guy B.: She's still in pain, but the doctor found a bulging disk and it was on a nerve. It was about the size of a quarter. rich - c: by the way, James, did you know that below -40 the halide vapour streetlights won't work? Meeka: gotta go for now . be back in a litle bit Guy B.: She was in the hospital two days. But, her heavy lifting days are over. rich - c: c u later, Meeka Guy B.: Don't be long Meeka rich - c: just had someone trying to probe my computer james: didn't know that, rich. fortunately, it's not usually an issue :) rich - c: oh, you'd be surprised how often folks try to break into your computer james: it's especially easy if you have a dedicated connection on an ip that doesn't change much. Guy B.: Some people won't even use DSL since it's on all the time and who knows who can hack into your system. rich - c: you never know until you install something like Zone Alarm - then your eyes get opened in a hurry james: that was the name of it - thanks. think i'll get that download going. i've been curbing my online time to pare down my phone bill a little. rich - c: well, Zone Alarm just tells them there's no computer here james: outside of the time i'm online for the chat, i try not to browse. rich - c: and tells me the url of the source of the intrusion rich - c: is that a reflection of your limited time or NTT's piratical rates? james: at which point, you can fire off an e-mail to their isp. james: yes. that will change with any luck within the next half year, but until then.. rich - c: not really, you just get the numbers, and nsiregistry.com can't always trace them
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changed username to MacRon Guy B.: Hi Ron MacRon: evening all rich - c: yes, but he usually doesn't make it until about 10 Eastern (7 Pacific) james: speak of the devil :D rich - c: OOOPS MacRon: and he shall appear wearing bondi blud MacRon: blue I mean james: how'S it going ron? MacRon: very well. Enjoyed your LOGO pgm my son rich - c: given the aquatic life around Bondi, blud may be appropriate MacRon: right MacRon: wonder how the infamous Smartwriter blank linefeed character got into your file james: glad you liked it. next step is to save me some typing. i'm thinking serial card, null modem cable and adamlink on one end. james: xt and telix on the other. MacRon: It certainly wasn't in the Notepad version rich - c: by the way, how long did it take you two to download that .bmp - with all the repetitions? MacRon: serial card and null modem....and you're in business james: yeah, i don't know how that could happen since i literally printed it off using carbon paper, brought the printout to my study james: and then typed it in manually. MacRon: you can ship files back and forth just by downloading/uploading james: don't even get me started on that. as far as i'm concerned the guy that posted that owes me about 75 cents for the download time. rich - c: if that's all I think you got off lucky MacRon: Herman is a friend. Think he considers himself duly chastised rich - c: it wasn't just him, it was Jeff who replied quoting including the Attachment MacRon: here, it's not so much the computer, it's the connection. And, as I explained to Herman Mason, when I get my mail I want james: probably. i've got bigger things to worry about anyways. MacRon: to get in and get out. No time for lengthy speeches or pics rich - c: yes, a small jpeg one can live with, but that series was a bit much MacRon: right Rich....I got the thing at least twice MacRon: I see we turned off at least one prospective ADAMite MacRon: Hi Meeka! rich - c: yes, more's the pity james: i saw a couple of unsubscribes after that posting. MacRon: yup rich - c: though I'm not sure someone of that temperament is our kind of people james: likely not a big loss. MacRon: well I kinda thought that too. The conversation was a legitimate one, and interesting MacRon: It was just the ruddy graphics rich - c: the other guy was the Atari historian - maybe just decided we didn't have enough in common MacRon: yeah james: i did think the case was neat, i just didn't need all 1.2mb of it.. MacRon: pin it up on your wall James rich - c: Frances is looking over my shoulder MacRon: Hi Frances! MacRon: you're looking well rich - c: James, sDale showed her how to do a fractal in Logo with a three-line program james: morning frances :) james: cool. what kind of fractal? rich - c: she doesn't know, but it was quite impressive rich - c: obviously a recursive of some type, but beyond that I'm lost james: can you send me those three lines? i'd be interested in taking a look.. MacRon: Back when the earth was flat James, and you were about 14, there was a member of AUFG doing fractals on the ADAM MacRon: at the time I hadn't the faintest notion what he was doing james: i think she'll like the fractal trees on my new year's card for ron's mm christmas card. MacRon: he operated in SmartBASIC rich - c: I think sh'es gone to look, but that doesn't mean they will be found rich - c: yes, I'll have her take a peek at your link later james: in smartbasic, neat. james: i haven't posted my program yet rich. i thought i'd let ron get the card out and then post it. MacRon: we'll be including your work on the disk James as a separate file. It won't combine with the PowerPaint stuff, but the rich - c: well, SB has a graphics mode and can do math, so it should be possible MacRon: disk is always issued double sided (flippie) anyway, and there's room on the back rich - c: can you recycle one of our old ones for us, Ron? MacRon: yeah can't even remember which member it was, but he kept us interested for a couple of sessions james: sounds good. anyone can load logo, load the program and then run it a few times. MacRon: I tell ya.... how memory fails. Couldn't even remember how to change devises under LOGO MacRon: had to go and look it up MacRon: that should be devices....as in drives james: have never tried. how does one do that? MacRon: SETDEVICE rich - c: oh, thought you were afflicting Yankee spelling on us MacRon: with a number between 0 and 5 james: i have noticed that logo will try to load any files from whatever drive it was loaded from. james: oh yeah! MacRon: so SETDEViCE 4 is disk drive 2 Guy B.: Now we all know what's like not running our Adam programs in a long time. We're hooked onto the PC's. MacRon: tape drives come first rich - c: yes, if you want to load a file from a different drive you must use the setdev command MacRon: and memory fades...... MacRon: Have LOGO installed on my hard drive, but don't go there nearly enough rich - c: hate to admit it, but even my typing reflexes are for the DOS keyboard now james: i used to make games with it and i think i might get back into it. MacRon: yeah, I hear ya rich - c: it's one of the recommended uses james: yeah, i was using smartwriter and tried to press a non-existing "page down" key.. MacRon: Doing the Christmas card over the past couple of weeks, and was reminded about how much fun ADAM can be Guy B.: We all seem to forget that part. rich - c: oddly enough, I hardly ever use DOS keys that don't have a Smartwriter equivalent MacRon: And how well it does things rich - c: regret to report that I had another owner trying to give me a free Adam today MacRon: awww james: except for crashing. just doesn't crash as much as windows :) Guy B.: Who was it? rich - c: k j grant MacRon: I have not met a computer yet that doesn't crash james: ron, have we given up the search for the early aufg issues? rich - c: right Ron, it's just a matter of how often and how hard MacRon: Members of my Mac club try to tell me that Mac's don't crash....well ha ha ha james: everything crashes. it's inevitable. Guy B.: We are all vunerable to computer crashes. I even had one back this year. MacRon: kinda looks like it James. Haven't heard from my sources in Ottawas MacRon: Ottawa MacRon: lord helps us if there's 2 of them james: that really is too bad. i'm sure they're out there somewhere. MacRon: Oh heck yes. For all I know they may be right here in this house MacRon: I will find them when I'm not looking for them james: usually the way. rich - c: Frances wants in for a minute MacRon: Well...step aside! :)
rich - c changed username to Frances MacRon: what say you Frances? Guy B.: Hi Frances Frances: Hi, everyone MacRon: all's well? Frances: Ron, there is another one, it's in Kansas MacRon: oh yes, so there is MacRon: but it's probably saner Frances: James, at one of the early adamcons, Dale and Neil did a session on fractals james: sounds interesting :) what did they use? Frances: I didn't understand a word of it but copied the programs they used james: i'd be interested in seeing them. are they logo programs? Frances: and spent a couple of years tryuing to figure them out Frances: I now have a small collection none of which are unlikely to be strange to you MacRon: James, in the file you sent me today, there are 4 trees, each a little different, is that how they were intended? Frances: but if you want, I will type them out and send them to you MacRon: then you told me how to play with them to change them....which I've yet to try Frances: Yes, they are Logo programs james: the trees come up differently every time :) call it pathetic fallacy :) james: i would really like to see those frances! MacRon: oh.... must run it again Frances: Different inputs give you different trees MacRon: And the Japanese chars..... what's the translation? james: you'll rarely get the same landscape twice. james: different inputs give different trees and i added a little randomness at the start. MacRon: ok... I just started it once, and let it run.....cute snowflakes Frances: Nowadays, I do all of my Logo work on my Amiga, which, incidentally, also crashes MacRon: no! Frances: Yes! MacRon: they all do, now and then MacRon: keeps us humans feeling superior james: the characters read "akemashite omedeto gozaimasu" which means roughly "a new year dawns, congratulations" or "happy new year" james: darn, those aren't snowflakes ron.. they're cherry blossoms. MacRon: ok...thought it must be something like that. Doesn't look like there's enough chars to say all that, but I'll take your word for it Frances: Ron, somewhere around you must have a Xmas card MacRon: this years? MacRon: yes MacRon: or from other years? Frances: from me that has lettering something like "seasons Greetings" MacRon: yep recall it. Think it's here
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changed username to Dale Dale: Hi all Guy B.: Hi Dale james: morning dale. MacRon: Have sent another on your behelf Frances. Bob already has it MacRon: Hi Dale Dale: I've been busy at work, so I wasn't able to make it lately. james: frances, how big are those logo progams? MacRon: If you don't like it, spit it out MacRon: :) Frances: Not very big. Why? james: just curious. Frances: Hi, Dale MacRon: How is our esteemed leader? james: ron, did i tell you that ntt called here doing a survey? MacRon: oh yeah? Dale: Ron, when is the deadline for greeting card submissions? james: oh yeah. gave them my opinions. Frances: what is ntt? MacRon: Dale, the card has already gone to Bob, and I have 155k on a 159 k disk james: i'd phrase that "when was .." dale.. :) Dale: So James, that means that they're your bigest fan now? james: ntt is the consumer gouging monopolist (expletives deleted) japanese phone company. MacRon: I have put some of my surpluse PowerPaint Screens on side 2, and if you like, I could make a second edition, but MacRon: you'd be the only one in it Dale: Well, I can always hope. james: not for long. i'm looking to set up this town with wireless internet. even found a company that can bring in a high speed line james: totally unconnected to ntt. cut them right out. MacRon: I take it you don't like the company James james: since there are ladies present, i'll spare telling you what i'd do to ntt if it was a person. MacRon: i can imagine MacRon: we have Telus MacRon: as in TEL- US Frances: Names, Meeka was a teenager not that long ago and I brought up one! james: as in "tell us" what to pay? :) MacRon: yeah.... Frances: James, sorry! Guy B.: Spill it James Frances: Back to Richard, I've got work to do MacRon: They just announced plans to upgrade internet access to ADSL in 38 communities in BC over the next 5 years james: oh sure, now everyone gets to see my "dark side" :) MacRon: no mention if we're one of them Dale: If you look through the chat archives on this site, you'll see what he thinks. MacRon: yes, he's on record
Frances changed username to rich Dale: Hmm, 8 eh? james: anyways, point being, is that it looksl like i'll be able to have a 1.5 mb line brought in to my place which will allow me to james: provide for 50 subscribers (if i want to keep speeds decent) using wireless ethernet. Dale: Ron, I don't know if your community is on the top of the list, but maybe. rich: we now have an ISP in Toronto advertising DSL at $30 a month Guy B.: Playing with the dog here with a tennis ball. Having a blast. MacRon: coming thing James. We've had some tests done here with remote BC Communities....wired up every household in town Dale: At least that way, you'd always be online. Dale: Of course that doesn't keep the browser from crashing, I guess. MacRon: then fed down signal from two or three satellite feeds located strategically james: yup! i'm getting very excited. if i can get 50 people paying $60 per month (reasonable around here for flat rate high speed access) james: i'll break even. anything above that is pocket lining :D james: my 1.5 mb connection would be about $3100 per month. MacRon: suppose you'll have to jump through regulatory hoops eh? rich: sorry james. is that wireless you said? james: yeah, wireless ethernet. since it's class b, you don't need a radio licence to operate apparently. james: even in japan.. MacRon: hmmm interesting rich: we have something similar, both internet and tv james: yup. no fuss, no muss. no ntt. still checking into things of course. since there's *no* infrastructure here, it's the way to go. rich: the upload speed is around 56K max but download is very fast james: well, i'd be able to provide speeds of about 10-20k/s on downloads depending how many people are actually downloading at the time. MacRon: geez....fash eh? rich: sounds a bit on teh capital-intensive side MacRon: alls I get through the tin can and string is 3 to 5 k james: compared with the 2.0k/s i get now, plus no dial up charges. james: start up would be a little pricey. i figure a client site would be about $700 to get going. since there's a big mountain in
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changed username to Pamela C. MacRon: I see a Pamela rich: hi Pam, how was the tv? Dale: Hi Pam. Guy B.: Hi Pam Pamela C.: Great, I feel fulfilled now Pamela C.: Hi, all james: hey pam :) rich: did you get my email and check out that StarTrek site yet? Pamela C.: Now all I need to do is get the VCR fixed and I can get here earlier rich: wanna borrow the family Beta? I still have some tapes Guy B.: Beta?? Pamela C.: Haven't gotten e-mail all week Dad. Russell is on midnights and logging on without waking him up is difficult Pamela C.: Beta, Guy. Don't ask rich: OK, I sent you a link you ought to like Guy B.: I won't Pamela C.: Thanks james: my parents still have an old beta in the basement. weighs a tonne. james: you a star trek fan, pam? rich: I retired ours so I could swap tapes with Pam Guy B.: I know someone who had one and put a tape in and it never ejected. Pamela C.: Very much so. Original series, Next Gen and Voyageur. Not so much DS9 though. Too stationary. rich: sounds more like VHS than Beta behaviour james: i've got all the original series here, and maybe in a year from now, i'll order the next gen on dvd. Pamela C.: I have one VCR eating tapes, and one that won't record. What a pain. Pamela C.: We have the entire Next Gen on tape, Russell insisted on taping every episode. james: i think when recordable dvd comes down in price, it will spell the death of vhs. Pamela C.: Absolutely. However, in the meantime, it means a trip tothe repair shop this weekend. rich: yes, it should be the ultimate key to convergence rich: going to that one on Marlee, Pam? Guy B.: I went to Walmart here since they had vcr's on sale. DVD players were on sale for $89 US and the line was sooo long. All I heard was people saying DVD, DVD. Shear Chaos. james: having worked in a video store for 6 years, i'm no big fan of the vhs format. Pamela C.: Possibly, or maybe to the Sears repair centre on Rexdale. I hear they can work wonders. Pamela C.: Is that overload James? rich: no, basically it was juast a way of getting around Sony's patents - and greed Guy B.: Look what happen James. Beta died within 2 years after VHS came out. MacRon: guess I'll have to re-do my AirFarce tapes rich: yes, Sony had it overpriced and wouldn't budge
(Guy B. laughs heartily) james: well any media as mechanically involved as a cassette is a pain in the ass. rich: it was the superior format but they wouldn't put in the extended recording time capability Pamela C.: on DVD Ron? How many years worth? james: beta was a much better format. MacRon: radio and TV, since about 1989 MacRon: not all of them, but enough of a cross section james: if you're willing to shell out the yen, you can get a *new* beta player here. james: sony, of course. rich: yes, I've heard they are still available in Europe, too MacRon: really! Guy B.: Wait till 2006. Were suppose to have Hi Definition TV by then. Pamela C.: Wow. That's quite a collection. That's how my romance with my husband started, at a taping of the Air Farce radio show in '87 MacRon: I am always 5 years behind rich: I just want a DVD RW at a price I can afford james: i'm still not holding my breath on *cable* tv guy let alone hi def tv.. MacRon: I wish they'd stayed on radio james: want me to price a couple of beta players for you ron? Pamela C.: Sometimes I do too, but some of the TV spots are hilarious MacRon: thanks, but no thanks James MacRon: :) james: okay :) rich: you casn always get them at the local garage sale, Ron james: much cheaper too, i bet. Pamela C.: Or borrow Dads. rich: sort of like trying to find an Adam MacRon: probably...or the Sally Ann MacRon: Speaking of which, James I found another unopened box of 5-1/4 inch floppies at the Sally Ann yesterday rich: I gahter by teh way no one wants an Adam free for the shipping MacRon: this time I will insure them MacRon: you're right, that makes them traceable james: post office. how the hell do they lose packages anyways? rich: long experience, james Pamela C.: Where do they lose them to? james: i mean seriously, does some guy just "misplace" it somewhere? MacRon: Rich, I'd love one, but now I have my trusty used consignee store guy offering me 486's for same price MacRon: It would be nice to know James james: i'm talking with don and waiting for his e-mail reply, so that might be my shipping budget for this month. rich: I'm not surprised; 486s ae pretty much sub-minimal these days Pamela C.: I guess this is where the great void of disappearance kicks in - the post office, dryers, desk drawers . . Guy B.: Speaking of 486. Does anyone want an old Packard Bell 486. I will leave the hard drive in it. MacRon: I could run a trace from here, but that sort of thing has not been successful before james: no point. it's probably in borneo for all we know.. MacRon: If I don't want 'em, then NOBODY wants 'em Guy B.: Capable of running Adamserve. MacRon: somewhere between here and Japan there is a brand new box of disks Pamela C.: Do they float? rich: maybe they put them on one of those tramp steamers MacRon: Actually I'm running ADAMserve on a 386 james: there's lots of beta stuff on e-bay ron. people selling new boxes of tapes etc.. rich: the manifest says Vancouver-Tokyo - via Halifx, Amsterdam, Haifa, ... MacRon: it has a 5-1/4 inch floppy as Drive A....good for PC2ADAM as well Guy B.: I've moved Adamserve to the P133 from the 486.
Meeka left chat session MacRon: ;) right Rich james: in any case, i could put some low density disk to good use, ron. rich: in fact it used to happen, don't know if it still does MacRon: some dude of a customs officer opened the pkg and went....gee,,, what's this? rich: but judging by the way Canada Post operates, it still does MacRon: ok...will get em on their way james: probably thought they contained terrorist secrets or something. MacRon: yup Pamela C.: I wonder why Canada Post objects to the term "snail mail"? rich: it insults their pet snails Pamela C.: lol, Dad MacRon: better watch my tongue. I'm about to deliver 640 pieces to them tomorrow MacRon: FSNA newsletter Pamela C.: Of what??? Pamela C.: Oh rich: great heavens, Ron, what for? james: fsna? MacRon: something called publications mail MacRon: we do all the work, sort em by postal code and we get a nickel a piece off MacRon: Federal Superannuates National Association....now aren't you sorry you asked? rich: provided you deliver them to the sortation plant MacRon: exactly....which is no big deal here Pamela C.: I think Dad just invented a new word MacRon: nope..that's right out of their material on publications mail rich: nope, only do that when the DOSbox crashes Pamela C.: ah, the new lexicon Pamela C.: Here's one for you: adminion rich: asdvanced bureaucratic mandarin - governments have been writing it for decades MacRon: James, we're a group of retired federal public servants...RCMP, Canadian Forces members.....organized to make ouselves suitably obnoxious james: :D Pamela C.: :)) rich: say try to, Ron - the government is deaf MacRon: our branch here in Comox land has 1000 members MacRon: yeah.. MacRon: did yo see how they appropriated our pension surplus? rich: no, but I can guess - all to them, nothing to you MacRon: pretty much MacRon: with the message , "trust us, we have your interests at heart" rich: I'm still trying to figure out how our teachers pension plan kept Mike Hrris' grubby paws out of the pot james: which is why i hated paying into the cpp every pay cheque. like anyone my age would ever see anything. Pamela C.: Thank goodness for RRSP's MacRon: Well, basically right at the moment, current payouts to all retired federal types uses only a fraction of the interest generated rich: I believe they found some kind of fiddle - made him think he was scooping something MacRon: by a 'phantom pension account' MacRon: the surplus is massive.... although I'm not quite sure how they know rich: acturarial estimating is an arcane art MacRon: that's a point James. Most of the people in your age category feel similarly rich: how come you pay cpp living in Japan? james: the general opinion of my generation is that "we're more likely to see a ufo within our lifetime than a pension cheque with our name on it".. MacRon: Anyway... as long as my pittance continues to come james: i don't, rich :) Pamela C.: absolutely. I don't have any faith that 30 years from now when I retire that there will be any of my money left either. rich: oh, you were speaking allegorically james: well, i was paying into it, up until when i left. rich: well, Pam, trusdt evryone but always cut teh cards Pamela C.: Can I palm a few? rich: it may be prudent MacRon: Did you guys see those messages this morning from a couple of fellas in Victoria? MacRon: ADAM interested james: i'm going to manage my retirement myself and proceed on the assumption that there will be nothing for me from the government. rich: yes, looks like maybe we can get some new recruits MacRon: VISA will rise AGAIN! james: yeah, i gave the guy your e-mail ron and invited him to join us on the chat. rich: hear, hear!!! MacRon: Vancouver Island Senior ADAMphiles Pamela C.: What about us Juniors? MacRon: although these young gents didn't sound to Senior james: you still with us dale? rich: you can always ask Dale about joining MTAG Pamela C.: I know, doesn't fit into the acronym, right? MacRon: Actually Pam, that was the name of the ADAM group out here. Think it was so called because everyone was a senior MacRon: we have a lot of seniors here Pamela C.: I plan to be one someday, does that help? MacRon: I'm a card carrying member MacRon: not that I contribute a hell of a lot james: if he could just remember where he left his card.. rich: I'll put in a good word for you Pamela C.: Never leave home without your VISA - or is that AMEX? MacRon: paid up even, although Ena has net to cash my cheque MacRon: well that wasn't all. David Cobley.... president and founder of VISA, called his newsletter the VISA ADVISA MacRon: and a fine newsletter it was Pamela C.: oh, thats awful Dale: It turns out that MTAG is officially listed as "Senior's Computer Club" (which avoids the space fees). MacRon: sometimes Dale there are advantages to having grey hair Dale: I guess that at 29 I'm the youngest senior I know. MacRon: :) rich: it's qworking in the softwware business that does it, Dale MacRon: just stumble and mumble a bit Pamela C.: you're just a pup - just ask us 35 year olds Dale: I'm only half paying attention. I just got a ZIP drive for adamcon.org and I was playing with it. rich: which size Zip? Dale: So far the other ZIP drive in the Adam has only gotten as far as ejecting the disk on command. I haven't managed to read files or write them so far. MacRon: It's a start MacRon: Dale rich: are you using a serial, parallel or IDE interface? MacRon: what kind of connection does it require? MacRon: (great minds0 Pamela C.: Better than the VCR, Dale james: fools seldom differ.. Dale: The ZIP for adamcon.org is a 250Meg parallel port one. rich: so really what you have to do is write a driver MacRon: aha rich: or are you having to modify the BIOS? Dale: The one for the Adam is the internal 100Meg ATAPI one. (ie IDE) MacRon: a veritable cornucopia of storage space MacRon: brb Dale: So I just got the adamcon.org ZIP drive working under Linux while you were chatting. rich: where do you get an IDE/ATAPI connection for an Adam? Dale: As for the Adam one, I have some more driver code to implement. But then you should be able to run it from EOS and TDOS just like a hard disk. Guy B.: Dale, have you tried it out yet. MacRon: now tell me Dale, my son... MacRon: how long would it take you to produce your Christmas Card Powerpaint screen? Dale: An IDE connection for the Coleco Adam is available in the Slot 1 Micro Innovations low cost hard disk adaptor. MacRon: should I stop the presses rich: that means you have to modify the OS (BIOS) then, does it?
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Guy B. left chat session MacRon: :) james: so naevus, where are you from? james: ntt is as good a fall guy as any. Pamela C.: You could always blame Netscape for a change of pace Dale: I would expect that I could scrounge someone to assemble them if I sold them. james: i did that already today :D Pamela C.: Oh. MacRon: Count me in Dale Dale: It is getting the board produced that is the toughie (assuming the components are available). Naevus: I am a 28 year old electrical engineering student at the University of Victoria in BC, Canda. I bought my 1st ADAM for $50 when I was in grade 10, and used it to do my school work. I really haven't used it in years, but am feeling nostalgic. I was thinking of collecting all the ADAM stuff and setting it up. My son/daughter (?) (I'll know in 7 months) would think it's cool (I hope ;-) rich: are you free to use Mark's design? Dale: I have permission to make them, I guess I could take my existing board apart, and use that as the master. MacRon: you sent a message this morning Naevus.... to the group list? james: are you the one i sent e-mail telling you about ron? Pamela C.: Wow, yet another Canadian. That's great. rich: OK, you had a note on the mailing list today MacRon: You'll fit right in here... Naevus: Yeah my real name is Craig. I was the one that was aking 'bout ADAMserve rich: there are no few folks in your age and interest group in the Adam community MacRon: good MacRon: glad you could make it here rich: Dale is 29 and running his own software company - he's a Waterloo grad Pamela C.: bring your funny bone and your tech knowledge rich: on the list, you'll see Geoff Oltmans is sort of your opposite number in Alabama james: i'll be right back - time to nuke something for lunch.. MacRon: as long as you agree to feed us too James Pamela C.: What's for lunch? MacRon: lunch time in Japan MacRon: on Thursday Naevus: your own company. Ugh......I feel dumb. I'm only starting my degree so I won't be done for another 3 years. rich: in Japan, you don't want to know, Pam Dale: The this is that I'd need to have an electronic design to send to a production company. I guess I could consult with George K about where he did the serial boards. rich: especially since his father in law is a seafood merchant Pamela C.: too true, Dad Dale: Welcome Naevus. We are all interested in the Adam on some level or another. rich: and even though we have other computers we still use our Adams for various tasks Dale: Well, I still like the simplicity and responsiveness of the Adam, esp with a hard drive. MacRon: Will have to give you a bit of a briefing on the activity that's been goin on Naevus....unless you're rich: Ron sort of has a personal computer museum in his basement Pamela C.: And you don't Dad? MacRon: familiar with the ADAM club that used to operate in Victoria....last meeting was in 1995 james: lunch today is fried chicken :) rich: what I have doesn't compare to Ron's 26 differnt makes up and running MacRon: ya Pamela C.: Sounds good, James. Will you share? Just e-mail it james: i'd scan it but that tends to get messy. MacRon: fax me a leg james: :) i've always been a breast man.. Naevus: Years ago I was in contact with.....I belive his name was David Colby? from Nanimo who into the ADAM rich: just the Adam, TI99, Vic20, Amiga 500, 2000, 3000, 386, 486 and oh yes, XT MacRon: yup David Cobley in Qualicum Beach Naevus: Yup that's him Pamela C.: I'm ignoring you james MacRon: he used to run a group called the Vancouver Island Senior ADAMphiles. They james: i thought you might be :) Pamela C.: : ) MacRon: held monthly meetings alternating each month between Qualicum and Victoria james: my wife is not pregnant again so we're going to try again next month. Naevus: I 've never actually met him. just letters MacRon: right james: she was disappointed but it's still quite early in the game as i've told her. Pamela C.: The waiting is killing you, I'm sure. I know how difficult it can be to be disappointed month after month MacRon: he's not an ADAM owner any more. He actually donated his last unit to me MacRon: and it went to ADAMCON 11 in Seattle Naevus: Can any one tell me how this Adamserve works. I couldn't find much info on it anywhere james: my preference is to have kids while i'm still young. Pamela C.: My best friend just went through the same thing, James. However, they now have good news. MacRon: it's a program Naevus that runs on whatever IBM you have around. that allows the aDAM Naevus: Mine was a total supprise. I'm not ready to have a kid MacRon: to access a hard drive in the IBM and whatever floppies are there and the printer attached to the IBM Pamela C.: Are you working at all, Craig? MacRon: so if you can find an old XT, you can have a hard drive for your ADAM james: it's harder on my wife because everyone once in awhile a prospective grandparent will slip something out and she'll james: feel 'pressured' rich: how big a hard drive will the XT support? Naevus: Just a student......so yes. I work ~85 hours a week ;-) Pamela C.: I have to be thankfull my parents and in-laws have never done that MacRon: have only 40 megs on my XT here.... I'm actually using ADAMserv on the 386 which has 200 meg james: they don't mean too, it just comes out sometimes. james: i hear the microwave beeping. brb. Naevus: Where do I get Adamserve, do I need a card for the ADAM? MacRon: but for actual useage with ADAMserve, you're limited to an 'envelope' of disk space that is 10 meg. MacRon: You can have as many of those 10 meg places as you have space for MacRon: yes.... you need a serial card for ADAM ....... any left Rich? Pamela C.: And people don't think that students are productive rich: yes, some dual serial and an MIB2 and MIB3 MacRon: there ya go rich: although have to check the MIB3 - james has dibs on one Dale: So how much would it cost him to BC then Rich? MacRon: Naevus, you should be aware that Rich runs ADAM Services and supplies us with what we need Naevus: Do you have a web site and where do you get stock? james: you'll want to avoid a certain outfit in pearland texas. MacRon: He's our last standing ADAM supplier MacRon: in Canada rich: no website Craig - hold on while I check stock and price Dale: I recommend MIB2 unless you plan to get an internal hard disk later. MacRon: I'll let Rich answer that one MacRon: There are also hard drives available for ADAM ..... up to 40 meg (which for ADAM is lots) rich: my email is: cleechez@tamcotec.com MacRon: IDE and MFm Dale: The MIB2 and MIB3 both provide 2 serial and 1 parallel port. Naevus: you were saying I can print from the XT? ( my printing stopped working last I checked) Dale: The MIB3 also has a boot ROM slot that is especially useful if you have a hard disk that you want to auto boot. rich: I have three dual serial cards left - they are $59.95 plus postage, GST included, no PST MacRon: I've never actually done it, but yes, you're supposed to be able to access IBM's COM-1 from ADAM rich: the MIB2 is 79.95 and MIB3 89.95 ditto ditto Dale: The parallel port is great for attaching just about any non-USB printer. rich: I have 4 MIB3s and one old MIB2 MacRon: Naevus, do you have an ADAM floppy drive now? Dale: Where does he get stock? Well, the truth is more like he simply has stock. Naevus: Do you have catalog or do I just email you for what I need? (I can't buy anything right now :-( rich: the MIB3 draws power from its slot but the 2 has a connector like the old roller controller setup Dale: Lucky for you that demand hasn't outstriped the supply. Pamela C.: he gets his stock from the morgue in the basement, Dale MacRon: is the actual ADAMserve software public domain? Naevus: No. I only have the basic ADAM with a bunch of games and a few software Dale: Pam, that's what I said. He simply has stock. rich: no catalogue but can send you a stock list - I think I have your address from the mailing list posting MacRon: ok so tape drives only right? Naevus: yup. I hate them. I remember going to make lunch while my files were saving! Dale: To get files new files in, you need either get us to make tapes, get a floppy drive, or some sort of serial port. james: dale - was it you that said you have permission to reproduce mel ostler's hacker's helper series? Dale: Yup. But Mel never found the original disks. Why? Naevus: That would great. Thank you. Just in case. it's C_Lindholm@bigfoot.com (diff from the mail-list) rich: I have the series and ccan make copies if Mel gives permission Dale: Classic titles such as "Learning to write with Adam", etc. rich: Craig, got it. Watch your mail MacRon: that's Lindholm with a capital L? Naevus: yup MacRon: noted james: okay rich - i haven't had much luck finding mel. james: i'm sure he's out there somewhere though. MacRon: Have all sorts of software here.....we'll have to see what we can do about getting together rich: well, if Dale can arrange permission, that's all we need Dale: Is there a particular title you're looking for? Naevus: why do I need you to make me tapes? james: dale - basically whatever i don't have, is what i want. MacRon: so you can boot the serial connect ion required from the ADAM end Dale: To get all of the latest Adam software of course MacRon: and that too james: i have what rich sent me, i forget the title. Dale: James, is there a list of what you want on your web site? james: naevus, want a hello kitty adam tape? rich: I have the others in my personal collection, they just aren't for sale james: dale - still need your postal address. james: understandable rich :) must find mel.. Dale: Soon. Really. I'm going to send the gerrting card picture first though. MacRon: and James....while we're at it...... your postal address again pls rich: dale, have you any idea whre to find Mel Ostler? Naevus: whow. You are going to fast for me to keep up. Too much info too fast ;-) Dale: It is in my notes somewhere, assuming my info is still current. It's been about 4 years though, so I might be burried really deep. james: should be in your e-mail any second now ron :) rich: that's OK, Craig, we all suffer from that all the time MacRon: tends to be that way Naevus Pamela C.: You can replay the chats via the web site. We all have that problem sometimes Dale: Naevus you can maximize the chat window. That helps some. rich: you should see what goes on at an Adamcon - I'm still trying to sort out stuff from six years ago MacRon: if you're using a stock ADAM, there's all sorts of stuff that's been done over the years to make your life easier Dale: Also I publish a transcript later, so you can always look up what was discussed later. MacRon: we've had some very talented hobbyists with us MacRon: Feel free to ask questions on the Col-ADAM list MacRon: Somebody tell Naevus about the ADAMcons
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Dale: Mel wrote several, so I have at least some of them. rich: do remember, people, I have a huge resource of Adam literature MacRon: Have one here that Bob Stroud gave me..not sure which rich: I have no problem doing a photocopy as long as I have Mel's OK MacRon: That might be the challenge Pamela C.: I can do the copying for you if you get permission, Dad rich: yes, but as a dealer I can't afford charges of piracy MacRon: no...that wouldn't do Pamela C.: He just doesn't look good in prison stripes MacRon: and we don't want him there. He's more useful to us on the outside james: can someone point me to the emulator page? has anyone run smartlogo in the emulator? rich: or wrose, I might get a reputation like - uh, someone we won't mention Dale: I run SmartLOGO well in the emulator. MacRon: yes James. if you don't mind a 1.4 meg file transfer, I can send you a virtual LOGO disk MacRon: but you'll need the emulator which is....which is james: sure. i've downloaded larger pictures.. Dale: Ron, you can always ZIP it. It zips well. MacRon: www.komcon.org/~dekogel MacRon: is that right? rich: ye[p rich: or is it komkon? MacRon: oh ok hadn't thought of that Dale: I always check my pointers page (http://www.adamcon.org/~dmwick/adam/ rich: i've forgotten james: i just tried - it's two k's, no c. Dale: but that's just me. ;-) MacRon: I do it every time MacRon: now James...there's a bunch of stuff you need to download there.... the ADAMEM PROGRAM and the utilities for startes MacRon: DCOPY.ZIP rich: but they are very small files, Ron MacRon: yep, not big at all rich: especially if you just download the binaries and not the stuff for Linux MacRon: almost instantaneous james: i'm loooking now - adamem 1.0, is that the one everyone is using? Dale: That is the latest and greatest. rich: the whole works will fit on a 1.44 floppy with space to burn MacRon: there's a later one is there not? Dale: The old version was called 0.9 or something. MacRon: ok MacRon: i stand corrected Dale: I was sort of suprised too, since I'd used the pre-1.0 version for so long. james: okay, i've got the msdos binary coming down now. MacRon: even as we speak rich: we won't mention whre the ROM images for teh games are MacRon: Warning James....there's a learning curve MacRon: but it ain't that difficult james: all kinds of stuff there. MacRon: neat eh? james: i've got game roms. for evaluation purposes. rich: but it's kind of neat playing Zaxxon on your DOSbox (gotta get me a joystick!) Pamela C.: Christmas is coming, Dad MacRon: (hint hint) Pamela C.: Well, he's kinda difficult to buy for MacRon: I imagine so MacRon: The man who has everything rich: oh, I don't know, a nice bottle of shirazx.... Pamela C.: picky, to boot Pamela C.: see? MacRon: What I really like with the joystick Rich, is you can also use it with PowerPaint rich: well, it's cheaper than icewine Pamela C.: lemme write that down - damn pen (to quote James) rich: well, I still haven't quite learned how to use the emulator, though I have it installed MacRon: I'm still not sure I'm using all of it james: okay, i've got the msdos binary, docs and dcopy. rich: anyway, one of these years... Pamela C.: you keep saying that rich: maybe we'll even get Pamela to put it on her machine some day rich: but Russell would love playing the old classic arcade games Pamela C.: That's what I'm afraid of! MacRon: you'll also need the CWSDPMI.EXE MacRon: it's a zip CWSDPMI.ZIP\ MacRon: without the \ MacRon: and PP2BMP.EXE MacRon: what's that one do Dale....CWSDPMI... I know ADAMem won't run without it rich: wonder if I have those - are they in the posted package? MacRon: it 's a server of some type rich: does it run any better under Linux, if I ever get that installed? james: okay, i was able to run the emulator, minus sound. Dale: You only need the CWSDPMI if you are running pre-Windows 95 I think. MacRon: ok right rich: what's the front end for Win95 then, Dale? MacRon: ok James, now read the docs....there are some switches there, and sound is one of them Dale: It is an extended/expanded memory manager. For sure you don't need it for NT or OS/2 MacRon: can't quite recall, but there's a setup of params for the sound ... or type of sound card Dale: AdamEmMam (written in Visual Basic). james: okay, now that i have the emulator, can you send me the smartlogo tape ron? rich: sheesh, I can't even seem to get that set up for DOS MacRon: yessir...right away james: thanks :) Pamela C.: are you making a list of things to send, Ron? MacRon: just gonna do the LOGO for now james: sounds good. rich: ooops - just took a look at the time rich: still got some side stuff to do - time to bow out Pamela C.: Me too. Some of us are still working for a living MacRon: brb rich: right, and morning comes early - and dark MacRon: Yeah, I'm gonna have to sever the connection here anyway to send James the file Dale: There are some essential disk image files in http://www.adamcon.org/12/ under "disk images". It is a zip file that includes TDOS. rich: so shutting down now, folks - see you next week MacRon: so ....hang on James....should be about 10 min or so Pamela C.: I'm gonna head out. Too early. I think I'm a night person when I get enough sleep MacRon: niters james: bye rich! rich: goodnight all Pamela C.: nite, all - Dad, i will try and get over there on the weekend james: bye pam :) rich: OK Pam Dale: If you're all leaving, then goodnight all.
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