Pamela C.: Hi Dad rich-c: hello daughter Pamela C.: Just us so far? rich-c: while we're alone, was there something I was supposed to send you by email? Pamela C.: Don't think so rich-c: OK, just wanted to check rich-c: something in the back of my mind but I guess it's wrong Pamela C.: Sorry for the sluggish response, I'm not really all here rich-c: have yourself a hard day? Pamela C.: What were you thinking of? Pamela C.: No, just long - I need more quality sleep rich-c: Had a vague idea there was some email goodie I was going to send you
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changed username to Guy B. Pamela C.: Hi, Guy Guy B.: Greetings!!! rich-c: Aha! The mighty Guy! rich-c: So how's things in Chicago tonight?
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changed username to WB Guy B.: Yo Bob! Pamela C.: Everyone's popping up WB: Hello All! Pamela C.: Hi, Bob Guy B.: Hi Willie! BobS: hiya guys and gal rich-c: Hey, the whole mob is showing up at once - Welcome, Willie Pamela C.: Hi, Willie rich-c: wonder if we'll get Ron early, since he's a time zone closer Pamela C.: Huh? rich-c: he's visiting with the folks in Edmonchuk Pamela C.: Ah Guy B.: Rich, isn't Ron a couple time zones back? Guy B.: Oh, where would that be? rich-c: yes, usually he's in the Pacific zone - tonight he's in Mountain BobS: he is VISITIN' and won't have time! rich-c: said he hoped to get a chance - you know, to "inspect" the computer Pamela C.: What's with the western accent, Bob? Guy B.: He doesn't have a notebook, how will he get here? rich-c: the folks he's visiting are on line BobS: i am SICK of the snow here in the east, so I am gonna be a western cowboy from arizona! rich-c: so what temperature are you down to, Guy? BobS: sounds good....yes? Pamela C.: I'll go along with that BobS: guy was prolly COLD! Guy B.: We are in the teens, the wind chill is below zero. BobS: we are going to hit 5 -10 below zero F tonight rich-c: I dunno - my cursor crony in Phoenix was complaining he had to put on sox under the sandals when he went out to barbeque the steaks last night BobS: aw geez, my heart bleeds! ;-) rich-c: we are slated for about 0F tonight and not much over 5F tomorrow Pamela C.: Poor Dave - I should check with Denver and see how he's feeling about his temps rich-c: right- where did he move to - LA? Pamela C.: No, Phoenix, poor boy Guy B.: Bob, did you hear what Netzero will do on January 1st? rich-c: tell us all, Guy BobS: what???? Guy B.: Netzero will impose a $9.95 monthly fee if you go over 40 hours a month. Pamela C.: You wanna be cold, you should have been in my office today - we had no heat! rich-c: does that mean they'll let you leave out the ads? BobS: netzero......defenders of the FREE world........ WB: must no be making enough with advertisements rich-c: TINSTAAFL BobS: got a message about the 40 hour bit, but don't remember the costs...... Guy B.: No, that won't change. They are gearing towards those who use it heavily and towards businesses. Currently 12% are under the 40 hours a month range. BobS: last month i used 0 hours BobS: just use ti for the free email and a backup ISP Guy B.: Same here. BobS: so it won't effect my use rich-c: backups are nice to have, but there's always a hook BobS: did you hear about Corecomm????? rich-c: tell us, Bob BobS: on their website, they are listing 20 bucks a month instead of ten BobS: haven't gotten any notice yet, but........ BobS: if they go for the 20 bucks may have to jump ship ....AGAIN rich-c: don't think they've picked the brightest time to get greedy BobS: these nerdy computer types could care less about us little guys Guy B.: That's for the premium Internet service. That includes the 3 e-mail addresses, 10mb web page space. I think we are still on the $9.95 deal. rich-c: it isn't smart to double your price just when everyone is getting a free option BobS: maybe the wall street types are horning in onthe business and are looking at bottom line BobS: I'm still on the 9.95 deal and so is Doug & Meeka rich-c: I'm just waiting to see what my ISP is going to charge for DSL BobS: SO!!!! Willie how goes the college computer courses??? rich-c: he says he hopes to have it on offer in the next 90 days Pamela C.: Since it's Tamco, I'm sure he'll be reasonable, Dad Guy B.: I got a new camera for my birthday and I finally will be getting rid of that 110. This one has a timer, now I can get the whole group for next years con without asking someone to take a shot for me. WB: I am on vacation until Jan. 8, 2001 rich-c: what sort of camera did you get, Guy? Pamela C.: Are you a Christmas baby, Guy? BobS: forgot about holiday break....then you start afresh and all brand new bunch of rookies, eh? rich-c: eh look - Bob talks Canajian WB: Yes a new set of victims I mean students Guy B.: It's a Bell and Howell. Has a 70mm zoom lens, red eye reduction feature, auto flash. It's a really nice camera. Guy B.: I was born 9 days before Christmas. rich-c: didn't know B&H were making still cameras - I've never seen one Guy B.: Wal-Mart had theses. rich-c: a 35mm, I gather? Guy B.: It is. rich-c: I haven't been using my camera much of late - I have two Pamela C.: I've been looking at a new camera too, but I'm going to disappoint Dad and get another 35mm Pamela C.: Why is that, Pop? BobS: no way!!! digital is SOOOOOnice rich-c: why would that disappoint me? BobS: and can view and erase pics from the camers, ec Pamela C.: Because you're big on the SLRs Pamela C.: All that teaching, gone to waste rich-c: yes, but I acknowledge they are bulky and heavy to carry rich-c: and, rangefinder type technology has made a few strides in teh last year or so Pamela C.: Wouldn't mind a digital, but they're expensive and I don't have the support right now Guy B.: But, you have to check around. The prices are coming down, but you may need a USB port for the transfer. rich-c: yes, and any memory worth having costs a mint rich-c: and what do you do when you're travelling and don't have a computer to download to? Guy B.: Even those cards for the newer ones are not cheap. rich-c: like, they should be honest and use a gfun and mask rich-c: it's like inkjet printers - they'll all but give you the thing so you'll use their overpriced inks BobS: downolad that baby on the laptop rich-c: don't got some laptop Pamela C.: Who's got $2000 for a laptop? WB: I had a friend of mine go down to the local Walgreens and pick up a cheapie for $49.95 rich-c: can't have a laptop - screens are too small for my eyesight Guy B.: Speaking of ink. I found that Wal-Mart has the lowest price for them. Pamela C.: Cheapie printer, Willy? rich-c: bet I do better - I bought a refill kit BobS: you can get the Polaroid 640 for about $120US, then a reader for the disk drive OR a pcmcia slot for about $35-40US WB: The resolution is not anywhere near the best, but he is happy with it. rich-c: at least six refills for under $30 BobS: aw, rich, ya just gotta put your eyes CLOSER WB: no $49.95 digital camera rich-c: can't I get noseprints on teh screen Pamela C.: Stronger glasses, maybe? rich-c: sort of my Herman (previous incarnation) imitation Pamela C.: I knew that guy looked familiar rich-c: yes, isn't there a toy Barbie digital camera that's real cheap? rich-c: actually we have inkjets selling around here for $49.95 today - Canadian WB: Actually this camera was a Kodak rich-c: yes, I think I've see their low-ender Guy B.: I have a friend who has that as part of the Barbie computer she bought for her daughter. Pamela C.: I haven't seen any computer stuff in Walmart up here WB: the camera gives half way decent photos rich-c: did you know that the Barbie computer licensee has gone bust? BobS: Polaroid ahd a 320 digital for the $50US but tha didn't have removeable media card I don't think Guy B.: Look in Electronics, that's where they are. rich-c: WalMart has digital cameras here, but doesn't sell computers Pamela C.: So far, all they seem to have is the audio type and a few regular 35mm cameras - I haven't looked that closely, I'll admit rich-c: privately, I suspect that's because our market is too competitive for them WB: $50 digital camera are for those who want to try the technology rich-c: well, if you want a small file to save to some floppies, computer screens don't give that great resolution anyway Pamela C.: Problem is, if you want to show your pictures, you need a printer that will support photo quality, plus the special paper and that's where the cost really comes in rich-c: I use 800x600 becuase it's sort of the de facto internet standard rich-c: but I would go to 640x480 if I didn't have the 17 inch monitor Pamela C.: Wanna swap monitors, Dad? Guy B.: That's correct. If you want to that. Get a Lexmark Z52. This printer has a 2400X1200 resolution. It goes for $179 US. BobS: WOW, that's expensive in today's world Pamela C.: I hear the HP printers are very good for that WB: Actually you can find the Z52 for less rich-c: There's quite a battle for quality in printers now - Canon and Epson are pushing hard too Pamela C.: So far I'm not impressed by my Canon - it went toes up a few days ago, just before the warranty expired Guy B.: Actually I got mine as a replacement for my Lexmark 3200 which broke down. rich-c: I'm using an NEC that I got free Guy B.: At least I didn't have to spend any money for it. My service contract for the old printer covered it. rich-c: Michael gave it to me when he found out he could get a new Canon with full kit for less than the cost of the ink cartridges for the NEC WB: I am using a Lexmark Z11 I got for my birthday BobS: just got an ol HP deskjet 400 rich-c: Is Lexmark an IBM associate or subsidiary? BobS: on both the ibm and the ADAM Guy B.: Lexmark I believe is part of IBM. rich-c: Really? James wants to know how to use an inkjet with the Adam Pamela C.: I think that's right as we have IBM computers in the office and we're using Lexmark printers Guy B.: Bob what did you do to make the inkjet work with your Adam? rich-c: These days teh way IBM is spinning things off you never know BobS: simply plugged it in! Guy B.: Besides that, did you try it out with your Adam? BobS: haven't tried it with Powerpaint yet, keep forgetting. Judy uses it for ADAMcalc and it works great rich-c: then I guess it just woerks off the old Epson codes as default BobS: that is what i figure BobS: should also work for Powerpaint Guy B.: That must be. I'm still using dot matrix. rich-c: will your Adam support a 24-pin dot matrix? BobS: ya BobS: but as PJ says "a little millimeter longer" doth it print rich-c: OK, mine won't - it will do teh 9-pin but not 24-pin rich-c: are you using an MI printer card, then? BobS: thas' strange. thought it used the same driver........Panaonic that is BobS: Panasonic BobS: what ya tryin???? Guy B.: Will a Panasonic 2135 24 pin work with the Adam? I have a brand new one that my mom gave me. BobS: got an eve card rich-c: I have a real old generic printer interface - PJ suggested that might be my problem BobS: try it! BobS: old as in what kind rich-c: Guy, I don't know what a KXP-2135 model is - must be very new rich-c: the one I have is the 2123 BobS: 1124i I got Guy B.: It came out back in the 90's. The one I have is a color 2135 printer. BobS: well, ADAM is NOT gonna print in color! rich-c: I didn't even know Panasonic made a colour dot matrix Guy B.: Unless you do some fast button switching. BobS: not on that one. Think Sol had an Okidata driver for PowerPaint that worked in color Guy B.: I have a KXP-2180 with a color kit added on it. rich-c: I think your market has Panasonic models that aren't sold here rich-c: not mind you that I've made any effort to keep up with them Guy B.: Swiftprint is the one that supported the color printing. Will this work? BobS: NO BobS: think the Okidata was a serial printer instead of a parallel one also...... rich-c: Wonder if my old monochrome Citizen inkjet will work with the Adam Guy B.: The Oki did have a parralel version. BobS: tryit, you like it! rich-c: There was some sort of Okidata colour printer patch for the Adam rich-c: but I'm not sure if Sol Swift was the one who was offering it Guy B.: Niad use to sell Oki's when they were in business. rich-c: By the way, did Lyle keep the shop open as a DOS business or give that up too? Guy B.: He gave up the whole thing back in 1994. rich-c: OK, that was my impression but I wasn't sure. Anyone heard of him since? Guy B.: No. That was when good ol Zonker asked me if Niad was going. I wrote a letter to Lyle and that's when he gave me the bad news. He and Jim Notini were too busy with there full time jobs that they couldn't continue running Niad. BobS: nope, Jim Notini was around fro a little while, but then he too vanished rich-c: Notini is busy with his job, but is still heard from very occasionally BobS: I tried to get him to sell me some of the stuff he claimed to have - ADAM 1200 baud modem; 2+" disk drive.....but never could get him to reply and commit rich-c: so make me an offer for my Sydmodem BobS: I didn't want the stuff to disappear Guy B.: Rich, Lyle did give you the entire Niad PD library right? BobS: but that's not original Coleco! BobS: ok, how much???? rich-c: For all practical purposes, yes - but it was bought, not given Guy B.: So you bought from him. Didn't know that. I thought he gave you the entire library. rich-c: I suspect I have just about every piece of EOS software anyone published for the Adam ever rich-c: Lyle? Give? You can't be serious rich-c: I alsso bought a lot from Steve Major and various other sources BobS: all software stuff from the 2 of them??? rich-c: for all practical purposes, yes rich-c: remeber they didn't have much commercial stuff left when they folded BobS: I bought Steve Major's ADAM setup and then had to send it in to Mark Gordon to fix the sucker BobS: maybe that's why Steve bailed......hmmmmm... rich-c: well, I got some MI disc drives from him, claimed to be new BobS: did they work???? BobS: or did he stiff you too? rich-c: I believe Ste4ve bailed because he got a job with an Apple outfit rich-c: they work - wanna buy one? Regular MI price! BobS: which is???? BobS: I am a die hard 160k man though...... rich-c: whatever Mark was charging for them - have to look it up rich-c: in your bucks, think it was $200 for the 320 and a bit more for teh 720 rich-c: you'd also have to add shipping BobS: ouch! Pamela C.: no inflation? rich-c: I'm being charitable - not even charging my interest costs financiang them all these years rich-c: could even bring them to the next Adamcon - no shipping, and if they don't work, don't buy
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BobS confirmed ban Guy B.: I'm on twice. There I got rid of the dup. rich-c: essentially, Willie, figure tape plus postage plyus something for my time and trouble in hathe originals, doing the work, and checking and backing it BobS: ok thro him out!!!! BobS: :-) BobS: I like the idea of bringing them to the next con Richard Pamela C.: no twins allowed, obviously BobS: how many you got???? Guy B.: Ok, where was I. Oh, yes I was talking about Niad. rich-c: generally my copy charge has been $3 but if someone wants ten tapes or something - I'll haggle BobS: just take them thru customs as your own stuff and see what happens at the con Pamela C.: He's cheap, but he ain't easy rich-c: Bob, I just have the single 320 and 720 - subject to prior sale (ha!) Pamela C.: If you haven't sold them by now, Dad, I don't think anyone has to worry rich-c: don't bet on it, daughter, I do get requests - not often, but some Pamela C.: In six years? BobS: Willie is thinkin about them both........ rich-c: and who knows, once the Xmas credit wreckage clears, they may get serious again Pamela C.: Wreckage is right. Didja drink the wine? Guy B.: Rich, how much Adam inventory do you have altogether? rich-c: You mean the icewine? Nope, that's for very special occasions rich-c: At reatil, probably something around $5000 in the company, no idea on personal stuff Guy B.: Whoa, and I take it not very many orders either. rich-c: anyway, Pam, we're contemplating toasting teh new millenium rich-c: I am not beating off the customers with a stick Pamela C.: Okay by me - but I would like to taste it someday rich-c: so what are you doing new years eve? Pamela C.: We are heading for Kimberly's parents place again this year - actually just me as Russell has to work rich-c: oh, guess we'll have to contemplate another strategy then Pamela C.: Just save me some - just a taste rich-c: you'll like it - it is very intense so the sweetness isn't overkill Pamela C.: I like the sweet stuff, remember? rich-c: I'd noticed, but this is not like that Neirsteiner Kabinett Pamela C.: In case you all are wondering, I gave dad a very good bottle of icewine for Christmas Pamela C.: He threatened to drink it for dessert Guy B.: Kind of wondering what you two were talking about. That's nice Pam. rich-c: Icewine is a very special product, Guy Pamela C.: Well, he's hard to buy for and this seemed appropriate rich-c: it sells for about 10 cents a millilitre Guy B.: As I'm curious what it is. Pamela C.: Tacky, Dad. You shouldn't ask what I paid for it. rich-c: It's a wine that can only be made in one corner of Ontario and one valley in B.C. rich-c: I didn't ask what you paid for it; I know what the category sells for Guy B.: Now why is it called icewine? rich-c: Because it can't be made until the grapes have been exposed to a deep subfreezing temperature for many hours rich-c: then they have to be picked and pressed right away rich-c: you have people out in sub-zero F cold picking on Xmas Eve sometimes Guy B.: Only in Canada that this wine is made? Pamela C.: Only in Canada . . .pity rich-c: The odd year the Germans manage a small pressing, but their climate is too risky Pamela C.: Nowhere else gets cold enough most of the time Pamela C.: It's amazing the stuff I absorb about this Guy B.: Wow, only California in the U.S . is where the wine is made. rich-c: We almost lost the entire crop two years ago; there wasn't enough cold until one lucky snap the end of February Guy B.: I take it, that icewine comes in different varieties. Pamela C.: When we were in California in '75 we spent a lot of time touring the Napa valley - Mom and Dad were in heaven rich-c: Generally it is made from Reisling grapes, but our local people have had great success with Vidal rich-c: We even have some local mavericks trying a sparkling red icewine now Pamela C.: That sounds good! Guy B.: Now that sounds really good. rich-c: It's a very much acquired taste, nearer a liquer than a wine Pamela C.: My biggest problem with reds is the bitterness rich-c: that's so for many people - but without it, the wine is worthless. Trust me on that Pamela C.: I find it overwhelms any other flavours - wacky tastebuds, maybe? rich-c: no. lack of study and experience. It's the common state Pamela C.: well, excuuuuuuuse me! rich-c: I've learned that there are wine drinkers and everyone else, and the opposites don't agree Pamela C.: too true - that may be why I don't enjoy things like turnip either - too bitter most of the time Pamela C.: Opinions, folks?
(Guy B. groans loudly) Pamela C.: It's okay, we sound like this all the time Pamela C.: It's been an ongoing argument for many years rich-c: believe it or not, in my senescence I'm finding some things too sweet WB: I find most liquors do not agree with my taste buds so I leave them alone for stronger drinls like Coca-Cola Guy B.: Now you see why all of us except you and your dad stepped aside. Pamela C.: When you say liquors Willy, do you mean other things as well as wine? rich-c: I think I have had one Coke in the last 25 yearws - in a shop that didn't have coffee Pamela C.: So says the caffeine addict WB: The last drink I had was Everclear straight Pamela C.: What's that? WB: 180 proof rum Pamela C.: Oh!
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changed username to Guy B. rich-c: You'd love Newfie Screech! Pamela C.: Guy is twins again! WB: It goes nicely with the Coke rich-c: So I've heard, but it's too sweet for me Pamela C.: How did you taste the Coke? And is Everclear white rum, or other? BobS: can't even taste the Coke!!! WB: But I haven't drank liquor since my college days. rich-c: I've pretty much given up the hard stuff - but then I rarely drank it except socially anyway WB: And only when challenged to a drinking contest. I got to pick the drink. BobS: got some raspberry chocolate rum a few weeks ago, now THAT has possibilities Pamela C.: Since I'm the driver, my drinking is usually limited to a cooler of some kind, early in the evenin WB: One shot of Everclear was all that was necessary! rich-c: and I dread to think the possibilities of what BobS: oh Pam!!! a saying i heard awhile back suits that situation....."it sucks to be you!" Pamela C.: Raspberry chocolate rum, huh? That sounds good, Bob - do you drink it straight? BobS: poor thing, gotta drink a little and early! WB: My wife gets drunk off of one glass of slow gin fizz. rich-c: Yes, they used to say at Oxford that any gentleman was entitled to get drunk - once
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changed username to Guy B. BobS: tasted it tonight. and it NEEDS to be in something else! Pamela C.: You know, I don't drink to get drunk cos I get sick first, and I HATE getting sick, so I don't drink alot BobS: gotthe bite of straight wiskey WB: My goodness three Guy B. Pamela C.: Triplets
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rich-c confirmed ban WB: now doubles! BobS: he IS prolific!!! BobS: quit playing around Guy! ;-) rich-c: guess we'll just have to bounce him again Pamela C.: get someone else to second for a change, I'm starting to feel like the bad guy
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Pamela C. confirmed ban rich-c: seconded BobS: and I thought it was me!!! BobS: I bounced him 3 times already rich-c: gee, Guy, they all hate you! BobS: first time I ignored it...... Pamela C.: Not!!! WB: Whew one Guy B is all I can handle (ROFL)
(rich-c groans loudly) BobS: I wonder if he is really there......... WB: Hello Guy b. rich-c: yes, he is still showing on the list Pamela C.: Is he out there? BobS: but, but , he isn't talkin'........... WB: My goodness it's the Ghost of Guy b. Pamela C.: lol rich-c: I think he's sulking 'cause we all dumped on him BobS: I know he is the quiet shy type, but this is ridiculous Pamela C.: We gotta get him another girl BobS: he was gonna tell usthis week......... Pamela C.: Speaking of which, Guy, you were gonna tell us about your date rich-c: I suspect maybe he's receiving but not sending rich-c: sometimes this program gets into that sort of snit Pamela C.: you may be right Pamela C.: computers with personalities - oh no rich-c: that's why he's been on and off, isn't it? Pamela C.: You'd think he was with NTT rich-c: speaking of which, we're missing james tonite Pamela C.: BTW, where's James tonite? Or is that tomorrow? BobS: aw shucks and now he knows what we said about him! BobS: thought maybe he wouldshow up late, but....... rich-c: is that why Guy just pulled the plug? Pamela C.: He'll be back, I think BobS: probqably lost in never never land rich-c: comes from dealing with cheap ISPs WB: Well Folks! It is nighty-night time! Have a Happy New Year! Goodnight! rich-c: and a happy new century to you, Willie
WB left chat session Pamela C.: Goodnite Willy, and Happy New Year to you. See you next year (I mean week) BobS: now, now here! BobS: same dumb isp I got........ rich-c: Yes, tonight week and month and year and century and millenium all apply Pamela C.: They seem to like you though Bob Pamela C.: That's true, Dad - for us purists, that is. BobS: well, might as well pack it in tonight kids.........HAPPY NEW YEAR and i will see ya'll next week IF the snow don't take down the lines! Pamela C.: HNY bob - see you next week rich-c: OK Bob, Happy all-of-'em to you and see you next week Pamela C.: Dad, have you noticed we're starting to sound alike? Scary! BobS: HI HO SILVER.....AWAY!!!!!! :-) rich-c: definitely! BobS: say HI to all! and HNY!
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