rich c: well hello - see I'm not the first rich c: or did you just set it up and wander off?
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changed username to Pamela rich c: hi daughter Pamela: Hi - did you have trouble getting on? Pamela: Hi, Dale rich c: no, not at all - did you? rich c: Dale doesn't seem to be here at teh moment Pamela: Yes, I was receiving at 474 bps or something - very weird rich c: wonder if that was teh site or Tamco? Pamela: I dunno. Does Tamco renew your connection automatically every year? rich c: Windows claims I'm still running at full chat rich c: no, John sends me a bill every six months Pamela: Now that I'm here, I'm not having any trouble rich c: I just tell him to charge it to my Visa account, which he does Pamela: But he does it automatically, right? rich c: sends the bill automatically, but I still have to tell him to renew Pamela: I'm charging to the Visa as well, but the next six months haven't come up on the bill yet - in June it showed up automatically. rich c: why are you asking? Pamela: Think I should call him? rich c: depends - have you had any outages, or sent him any new customers? Pamela: no and I don't know. I certainly talk it up when I can. rich c: maybe he's just behind on the billing or is giving you a bonus of some sort Pamela: Just don't want to be disconnected. I panicked when I thought I couldn't get on tonite rich c: a lot of ISPs quietly credit you with a month when you send a new subscriber to them rich c: well, do chack your email closely and make sure you don't have a "semi-annual invoice" message from "Info@..." Pamela: Don't know if you remember, but when we first signed up, he was having trouble with the server and it was about a week before he straightened it out. Still, that was in January of last year, so even if I had a credit, it should be used up by now. Pamela: I haven't seen an invoice yet, either. rich c: you could phone and ask but I don't think it's his habit to just disconnect you without warning Pamela: I certainly hope not. rich c: it's my feeling that he isn't inclined to do business that way Pamela: I'm feeling very strange tonite - very weepy for some reason. I need a good giggle, I guess. Pamela: That's part of why I was so panicked about being cut off. rich c: sorry, not much in the way of funnies of late, otherwise I'd forward them rich c: I've been busy getting the free Adam off to Dave Compson Pamela: I got a great e-mail from James the other day - he took bits of the one I sent him and replied in comments. Pretty cool rich c: finally found a carton to fit the CPU and sent that off today to complete things Pamela: Who's Dave Compson? rich c: a young man in Las VegaS WHO TOOK UP AN OFFER OF A FREE aDAM i WAS DISPOSING OF ON BEHALF OF A CUSTOMER Pamela: Fingers slip? rich c: Ooops! Guess who snagged the caps lock? Pamela: You don't have to shout Pamela: ; ) rich c: Some times us old folks raise our voices unconsciously - hearing, you know Pamela: Please, don't go there yet - it's too fresh rich c: OK. We are contemplating going to the trailer show tomorrow or Friday Pamela: Yum. Leave your cheque book at home, just in case. rich c: Oh, our powers of resistance are well charged up. If it's that's irresistible, WE WANT IT! Pamela: I hate to break it to you, Dad, but that's not resistance rich c: Oh? Try me. Pamela: Of course if you do find what you want, you'd better get it or when you go looking, it won't ever be available again. Good old Murphy. rich c: Remember we do want teh right trailer, we just can't find it rich c: Yes, that's what happened to us with our current trailer. We got the only one left in Ontario Pamela: It's like the new and improved version of your favourit products - what was wrong with the old version? rich c: Sometimes you know the answer to that, sometimes you don't - if you dn't, dn't buy Pamela: They did that to me with our toilet paper. We've been using Royale forever, and now they've changed it and I hate it. Dale: I"m paying attention again. rich c: Ah, welcome back then Dale
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changed username to Guy B. rich c: Hello there Guy Dale: Hi Guy. Pamela: Good evening, Guy rich c: Just the Old Man and Daughter chatting Dale: Good to see you.
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changed username to BobS rich c: Hey, everyone's arriving at nce! Pamela: Well, the cast is expanding exponentially
changed username to BobS Dale: I updated the archive for the last few chats. Pamela: Hi, Bob - you're twins
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Guy B. confirmed ban Guy B.: Greetings everyone! Bob, did you get my e-mail? BobS: ya mon Dale: Our cruneth over with BobSs. rich c: Good evening, Bob BobS: and I just disconnected my own slef!!! Pamela: How cruel Dale: Our cup runeth over ... Pamela: Hey, Dad - I think I found the needed giggles rich c: How's the snow in Michigan tonight? BobS: howdy Dale, long time no see BobS: no snow yet but a little on the way mostly north rich c: we're supposed to get it tomorrow but they're vague on how much BobS: Guy...P75 system w/ modem and 1.44m disk dirve...... Dale: It's been a busy time. BobS: suppposed to chnge to rain and be much above freezing by tomorrow eve Dale: I've been running around like mad at work to get ready for my vacation which was last week. rich c: Are you still working on your IPO, Dale? Pamela: Oooh, insider tips Guy B.: Yep, that's the one. How much would shipping be? rich c: Thught the owners didn't get to take vacations Dale: Well, I need SOME time to myself. BobS: $30 bucks UPS via Meeka rich c: are you planning to go somewhre or just relax at hme? Dale: I'm still working on the IPO...the market hasn't been looking favorably lately to new comers. rich c: now there's an understatement Dale: So last week I was at a resort in Georgan Bay. Guy B.: Ok, let me get a hold of a friend of mine and I'll let you know ASAP. I can send the money direct to you then, correct? Dale: I got to do some snowmobiling, and lots of other good things. rich c: Really? Sitting by the fire or out cross-country skiing? Pamela: Nice area, Dale. You obviously view snow favourably. rich c: no shortage of snow up that way, for sure BobS: yessir Guy B.: Great, be right back, everyone. Dale: Definately. Snow is fun. Well, we mised some non-snow activities too. BobS: sounds like a GREAT vacation Dale.......Jill DID get to go also, yes????? Dale: We when to the Royal Ontario Museum. And even in 4 hours, only saw half of one of the four floors. Pamela: I'm glad I'm not the only weird one who likes winter sports Dale: Jill took me to do some ceramics. She did a ceramic pitcher... rich c: oh, lots of them are great - when watched on teh tv Pamela: The ROM is a multi day project.
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changed username to james james: bonjour rich c: Good morning Pamela: At least when you sweat, you can cool off Pamela: Good morning, James - thanks for the e-mail, it was great james: quite the crowd today :) Dale: I did two bowls which I painted Tux, the penguin, Linux's mascot in the bottom. rich c: yes, now, though Guy's away for a moment Pamela: Dale, was Jillian using a pottery wheel? james: glad you liked it :) was worrying that i might have said something stupid. rich c: that's not something you need to worry about, james Pamela: I have yet to hear something stupid come from you, James. And I've been listening for quite a while now Guy B.: Ok, I'm back. I'm going to try to get my website up sometime Saturday after I go in to work. Dale: When also went to see a play, a satire called "2001: a space oddity". rich c: Dale, why put Tux on the bottom? Dale: The pottery we did had already been cast and fired once. rich c: That did sort of limit your options Dale: We just painted it, glazed it and had it fired for us. Pamela: I am going to try it someday - I;ve always thought it looked like great fun rich c: On the ones you mess up, paint the Windows logo - then bust 'em james: thanks pam :) i guess you still hold a different opinion than my wife ;) Pamela: As I get older, my craftish side is becoming more prominent Dale: We actually spent 4 hours on Tuesday evening and 4 hours on Thursday evening painting and glazing. Pamela: Might have something to do with the fac that I'm not married to you, James rich c: james, how are things coming for the trip? I still don't have a schedule BobS: :-) Pamela: Spouses are always our harshest critics. Guy B.: Anyone need 30 pin sims off a 386 computer. I'm going to scrap it shortly. They 4 256mb sims. Free to anyone who has a 386 PC. Pamela: Sorry, Dad, I was supposed to send that, wasn't I? rich c: well, one of you, doesn';t matter who james: sorry rich, it slipped my mind (an easy thing to do). plans for the trip are basically wrapping up. finally. i'm working Pamela: Guy, you should sell them - they're hard to come by james: on getting our tickets for within japan to get to the airport. after that, a few bus greyhound bus tickets and i'm done. BobS: what speed Guy???? rich c: even for the 386s there were one meg SIMMs, Pam james: guy - put them up on e-bay, your best bet for selling them Dale: The bowls are serving bowls, and I fugured that having Linux as a supprise in the bottom. Pamela: Does anyone know the URL for Greyhound? Dale: I painted a butterfly and some grass on the outside. Pamela: Oh, Tux is on the INside - cool! Dale: I beleive that it is www.geryhound.ca Dale: (grey) BobS: on Ebay they are toast....natan, worthless..... Dale: The bottom, but inside, right. BobS: got about 20 sets of 4 matching 1 meg simms and they can't even get a bid Guy B.: You think I might be able to get something for them? I'm not sure what speed they are, it's coming off a 386SX/16. Dale: 256k simms are of pretty questionable value nowadays. 1Meg 30 pin SIMMs are more useful. rich c: I guess that 386s are at the boat anchor stage by now Pamela: glug. Dale: I have a friend who made them into key chains. james: www.greyhound.ca :) Pamela: I know when we were looking for them, they were hard to find rich c: that was then - this is now Guy B.: The computer did come up with 1 meg total and I did find 4 30 pin simms in there when I opened the case not too long ago. Pamela: Thanks, James - imagine that. james: i want to buy the tickets ahead of time but you can't buy them on their website. i called and they told me it's too early to buy, to call back in march. BobS: if the speed is 70 nsec,they might just work in the Adam mem xpanders with pins soldered on BobS: James, you get he package yet???????? rich c: Ah, bureaucracy - wonder why the company's hurting financially? Dale: The best speed for Adam 30 pin SIMMs is 120ns. Pamela: They don't want to sell too far in advance in case they have to change the schedule or remove / add a line rich c: Or is it the U.S. operatin that's been having a hard time? Pamela: I ran into that with VIA recently james: bob - yes, i thought i mentioned last week that i got it! :D BobS: thought the old Jenkinbs expanders used 70's Dale: I guess I have a 1 MB expander that could be upgraded to 2 MB with those SIMMs if they are 120 or 150ns. james: dunno but i was a little annoyed that they couldn't sell me the tickets. i just wanted to get it done and out of the way, not wait until march. BobS: ok, so I can't remember nuthin......did I tell ayou about the calc file on the boot tape???? Dale: For greyhound, they seem to prefer that you buy the same day really. james: i've done well by via though. had the tickets all settled and sent to me here within a week of my inquiry. james: greyhound is stupid.
moved to room Meeting Place Pamela: Add them to your list, James - right up there with NTT rich c: maybe they draw their management frm NTT BobS: I think it would just be a matter of soldering pins onto the card right DFale???
changed username to Ron's iMac rich c: Hi Ron Ron's iMac: Hi all! Pamela: Hi, Ron's iMac Pamela: Where's Ron? BobS: howdy westerner Dale: Hey Ron. Ron's iMac: sitting about 18 inches away Pamela: Ah - kissing cousins Ron's iMac: :) Guy B.: Ron, on the Mac tonight? Ron's iMac: yeah rich c: why, did teh DOSbox crash again? Ron's iMac: west indeed..... it's snowing out here tonight Pamela: James, try Greyhound again on March 1st and see if they've changed their tune. Dale: I also need the 30 pin SIMM sockets. james: they don't irk me quite as much as ntt. at least starting in may, i'll have 2 alternatives to ntt for local calling. i'm *Very* pleased about this. Ron's iMac: not hard..... but in these parts...... any is too much Guy B.: Snowing? We might hit 50 degrees here in Chicago tomorrow with rain. rich c: wondering about that - weather channel wasn't clear on whether you had rain or snow Pamela: Guy, please send me your weather Ron's iMac: snow it is james: i'll be calling them on march 1st and will not be taking no for an answer. rich c: yes, we're supposed to get that Friday in Toronto, Guy james: what really annoys me is they can't send me the tickets to my place here in japan. via had no problem with it though. Pamela: Maybe I'll get the car clean. rich c: and I bet I can guess what you'll be calling them, james ;-) Pamela: Hey, Dad, did I tell you the car was broken into? rich c: well, VIA's the government, Greyhound is private - let's hear it for privatization Guy B.: But, it will be only for 1 day, then it's back to winter. rich c: all the way to California! rich c: No, Pam - in your garage or at the TTC lot? james: yeah, well it's still very annoying. they seemed really dense when i tried to explain that i'm managing a group and that i'm james: getting everyone to pay up front and that i have to deal with lazy visa people and exchange rates. Pamela: In the underground at home. Mine and two others. what pissed me off was all they took was fifty cents - it cost me $275 to get the window replaced Pamela: The underground at 29 got hit too - six cars there rich c: nothing else missing? though you're prudent I know about not leaving valuables in it Ron's iMac: Bummer, Pamela Ron's iMac: don't suppose you'll ever find out who's responsible Pamela: Not a thing. They took the two quarters and left the dimes and pennies. go figure. Rifled the glove compartment and the tote in the tailgate and moved on. james: 50 cents. that's quite the loot. Pamela: The police didn't even come out, just took a report over the phone. And my comprehensive deductible is $300.00 james: 50 cents canadian at that. Pamela: Next time I'm just gonna leave the damn money on the hood - save myself some dough rich c: the cops don't care Ron's iMac: Had a buddy in Ottawa who had a car - the apartment provided 3 floors of off street parking...... rich c: won't stop them from breaking in - smashing things is half teh fun for those sickies Ron's iMac: 5 breakins in one year. He finally left a note on the hood to say " It's open" Pamela: LOL, Ron Ron's iMac: his insurance company refused to provide coverage Ron's iMac: last breakin, they turned the car lights on and they were left on all night rich c: speaking of Ottawa, Ron, Robt M. said he heard from Ian Cottrell Pamela: I figure it was my turn. At least they didn't steal the whole car. Ron's iMac: hey! Dale: Jill is thinking of going to a place in Toronto to do ceramics, called "Colour Me Mine". She'd like me to welcome you too. rich c: seems the two of them were quite thikc at some point Ron's iMac: Been following a Linux mail group, and I've seen his name on occasion rich c: apparently he is now with the Justice Department Pamela: What surprised me was they were really quite neat about it. My car has aftermarket tinting film on the windows - they only punched a hole big enough to pop open the lock. Relocked it afterwards, too. rich c: Robt says Ian is as deep into Linux as he used to be into CP/M Ron's iMac: He was with DOJ before I left Ottawa....so guess that hasn't changed Pamela: Where is this place, Dale?
BobS left chat session Pamela: We seem to have lost Bob rich c: yeah, he's finked out on us and never even said goodbye rich c: Dale, is your server being nasty to him? Pamela: I'm sure he'll be back. rich c: likely tried one too many multitasks and got teh Blue Screen of Death Ron's iMac: brb ... my tea has gone cold and I'm gonna get a warmup Pamela: Nuke it Dale: Pam, it is on Yonge near Lawrence I guess. She hasn't pick a time. Dale: You could phone her if you're interested. Pamela: Oh, very close. Please ask her to send me an e-mail with the details - I'd like to work it in. firstname.lastname@example.org Dale: Okay. Pamela: Thanks! Dale: What time are you free in Friday? rich c: She really just wants an excuse to get her mother to feed her dinner, Dale rich c: we're right on a line between the studio and her place Pamela: This Friday, not a good day cos I'll be working late. Usually, about 5:00pm. Any other dates? Ron's iMac: right Pamela: Very funny, Dad Dale: I'll tell Jill. she can work it out with you. Pamela: When was the last time I cadged a meal? As I recall, the last time, I fed you
(A dog howls in the distance) rich c: right, but you know you can always call when Russell is working rich c: can't guanantee there will always be enough to stretch, but Pamela: I've been busy doing home renos - putting up pictures and shelves and such, cleaning floors, evicting dust bunnies . . . Ron's iMac: My dust bunnies have names Pamela: Have to time this stuff for when he's not home so he can sleep in peace Dale: brb... Pamela: If you have to name them, Ron, it's time to get out the vacuum. Ron's iMac: :) Pamela: Either that or start feeding them. rich c: you mean they come small enough to fit in aq vacuum? Ron's iMac: Actually, they're all gone. Yesterday was Mac club meeting night and I was host Ron's iMac: had to clean the place up Pamela: Depends on the size of the vacuum rich c: Shop va rich c: vc? rich c: vac? Pamela: I have a sign up in the front hall - it says "This house is protected by killer dust bunnies" Ron's iMac: Wonder what I'm gonna do with my shop vac now that the weeping tile is whole and working Pamela: Want me to find one for you? rich c: Maybe even two Pamela: How'd that go, Ron? Ron's iMac: It's done....drainage upgraded.... hopefully now basement will be dry
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changed username to BobS Ron's iMac: yes, exactly rich c: Ron, my guess is - give it a rest, till you need it again Pamela: Heee's back! rich c: sooner or later - you will BobS: he's back Jack!!!! Ron's iMac: what's this about Bob's back? BobS: stinking rotten ibm junk!!!!! AND Bill G Pamela: Oooh, someone's having a bad Windows day rich c: one too many multi0tasks, eh? Ron's iMac: aye lad, buy a REAL computer! BobS: didn't even miss me eh?????? Ron's iMac: we most certainly did Pamela: we thought you'd left without saying g'bye BobS: nope, just got qapped by the deadly mouse clicker Guy B.: Well, there's the cussin' again. So, he's back. Dale: I'm back. rich c: oh, read teh transcript and see all the finky things we were saying behind your bacdk Pamela: Some of them were even spelled correctly Ron's iMac: nothing worse than the deadly mouse clicker BobS: great?!!!! rich c: but not that originated at this keyboard Pamela: certainly not
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changed username to bair Pamela: Meeka? Doug? BAIR! rich c: among other things, my O key has been getting sticky of late rich c: it's a BAIR! Pamela: Lions and tigers and Bairs, oh my Ron's iMac: Hi there Bob Bair Pamela: I have a spare keyboard if you want it, Dad bair: hey hope every one is find Pamela: doing well, thank you - and you? rich c: got to se what connection I have - if it's PS2 I have two or three of my own in the basement Dale: Hey Bob! Nice to have you come by! Pamela: Hang on, I'll check rich c: I mean my keyboard - I get get around to the back of the computer
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Dale confirmed ban BobS: hey Bair!!!!! Pamela: Which one is the PS2 - the little round one, the big round one, or the flat one? Dale: Guy are you there still? rich c: the little round one Guy B.: Ok, I'm back. Lost my connection. Got it back. rich c: looks like a DIN that got left out in the rain james: pam - flat would probably be usb, little round one is ps/2 and big round one is at Pamela: Okay, it's a PS2 but I have an adapter for the big round one on it - just a cable rich c: if this gets worse I may borrow the adapter, if I need teh adapter Pamela: Boy, I speak technology well, don't I? BobS: MR BAIR!!!!!! Rich is going to need some startup money for ADAMCON 13....which you will of course be attending....so heads up for my call to send him a check rich c: that's OK, you'd think I'd at least know what I need Guy B.: Bob B, are you coming the Adamcon 13 this year? Pamela: Let me know, dad Pamela: Hey James, quit nappin' rich c: will do, though my own resources may do me bair: I don't think so rich c: or maybe we can swap one connector type for another Pamela: whatever works Dale: I miss your banter. Maybe we can convince you to come back here at least . rich c: It's relatively near you this year, Bob. Good time to really try to make it rich c: Besides, who's going to be teh official coach for the Adam Bomb team? Pamela: What's the weather like in Cleveland in July? rich c: HOT bair: I still don"t travel well james: gotta go for a bit - be back shortly. Dale: Though AdamCon has a way of making it damp or rainy. Pamela: hot and dry, or hot and sticky? rich c: maybe the Slopsemas can pick you up on the way by BobS: will do!!! rich c: ride might be easier in a motorhome BobS: in the motorhome deluxe accomodations yet...... Pamela: good idea! Pamela: Dad, get a motorhome at the trailer show, please Ron's iMac: Wanna pick me up too Bob? BobS: does that mean we have to take Virginia too????? ;-) BobS: onlu IF you fly into GR Ron's iMac: aw rich c: Hey, if you don't bring Ginny, we send you back Ron's iMac: Anyway Bob B. sure would be nice to see ya again
james left chat session bair: Thanks for the offer but I don't think so Dale: Well, its nice to have you online. rich c: you mean we're going to have to arrange a kidnapping? Pamela: Okay, that means we'll have to drop in en masse on the way home BobS: I know where he lives!!!! rich c: Right. In the dead of night... Ron's iMac: so I take it the health situation still generating some difficulty Bob B? bair: bob what night do you think you might call Dale: Bob B, have you been doing any gaming lately? BobS: don't know, Dr D has to get back to me with details Ron's iMac: have we got money? bair: Yea for some things I will just have live with Dale: ANN is rumoured to have money. bair: yes Ron's iMac: cool! Guy B.: Anyone know if there's a website on the convention yet, or should I just send my money to Bob S. rich c: I'm sure if Rich asks us for a deposit, mst of us can oblige. Even a generous deposit BobS: ANN got that money from the insurancemoney from her spouse's untimely demise......... Pamela: would that be A.D.A.M., Bob? Dale: What has Rich announced so far? BobS: repeat afterme Ron.....we IN the money!!!!!!!!
(Guy B. laughs heartily) BobS: that's the one Pam Ron's iMac: we IN the money!!!!!!!! Pamela: Gotcha Pamela: McDonalds money . . bair: as of 9-2-2000 1547 Ron's iMac: there was a message a few days back BobS: naw, we traded all the us $$$ for canadian $$$$, now we got's LOTS of dollars bair: 1547.00 Pamela: about $.50 US BobS: see if we make that canadian, that is about 10,000.00 Ron's iMac: very good Bob B. BobS: or maybe 2200.00......???? rich c: Bit more - sold a copy of the ASSG this week Ron's iMac: Canadian dollar was up .007 today rich c: ASG BobS: cool!!!! bair: well you guys are finding more than I have Dale: That's why we have you helping, because we don't trust their "creative accounting". Ron's iMac: I was talking over the weekend to a friend of mine whose daughter was visiting from South Bend Indiana rich c: i'D SAY TRY PICKING lOTTO NUMBERS WITH YOUR aDAM, EXCEPT IT DOESN'T WORK Ron's iMac: She described Cleveland as the armpit of the world rich c: sorry folks - caps lock again Ron's iMac: I didn't think Cleveland was that bad BobS: hey, we were "told" by our treasurer that ouer money worries were OVER!!!! bair: virginia is making me retire in ayear or two because of stress at work Pamela: Isn't that where the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is? Dale: I've heard that expression too. I think they use it on the Drew Carreyt show. Ron's iMac: If Dr. Drushel is reading.... please note.... I do not share that opinion rich c: yes, but will teh hotel be in Cleveland or out in Mentor or somewhere again? BobS: hey, tell her I have stress too and maybe she can talk to the Soc Sec Admin about me too....... bair: as long as you only need $1547.00 BobS: Cleveland is an alright outfit!!! rich c: this retired teacher can sympathize about stress BobS: naw don't need that much i don't think Pamela: this employed administrator definitely sympathizes rich c: thought Bev was on the road this week, Pam Ron's iMac: I have no concept Ron's iMac: and I do not wish to be employed Pamela: No, that's next week - yee hah! rich c: Ah, Lotus land Ron's iMac: :) :) Pamela: maybe I'll find the top of my desk while she's gone Pamela: right now, it's missing in action rich c: settle for finding the desk rich c: it doesn't pay to be too picky Ron's iMac: remember those days all right BobS: workin sucks right Ron????? Pamela: When you consider how big the thing is (3 x 6') that's quite a feat Dale: SO, this month at the MTAG meeting we had fun. rich c: Amen Ron's iMac: YOU GOT THAT RIGHT SON! Dale: We discected a disk drive. Dale: Figured out how it worked. rich c: what did the autopsy reveal? Pamela: Sounds messy, Dale bair: was there much blood Ron's iMac: and the body? rich c: Figuring out how it works isn't hard. Making it work again is the trick Pamela: did you have any pieces left over when you reassembled it? bair: hit it with a hammer Dale: Try out our theories with it all apart. BobS: what theories, it doesn't work!!!!! Dale: Triesd booting a game with it apart to watch the disc spin and the head move back and forth. Dale: Then reassembled it. rich c: And? Dale: All to learn how the disk drive worked. Ron's iMac: What I would really like to see happen and understand is.... how CD's are written Dale: Yes the operation was non-destructive. Sorry. bair: did you hold your mouth right rich c: You take this funny little flashlight... Ron's iMac: and then BobS: and then???? Ron's iMac: and then along came Jones Pamela: that's as far as he got in the manual rich c: well, the rest is just technical details. I deal in teh broad picture Dale: Ron, normal CDs aren't written, they are moulded the way LPs are. then the silver coating is added. bair: bob when do think youmight call Pamela: aha - see, somebody was paying attention Dale: When I manufactured my Paint program. I went to the factory where our CD was made. Pamela: cool! Ron's iMac: far out rich c: what ppaint program? BobS: don't know Bob, have not heard back form Dr D on how much cash is needed yet. Dale: They actually start with plastic peletts and melt them to inject into the mould. bair: ok Dale: PhotoGraphics. rich c: right - that's one of your company's productions? bair: how is the adam bomb going for every one Pamela: Okay, Dale - now explain nuclear fusion ( or is that fission?) Dale: We made version 1 and 2 for OS/2 and version 1 and 1.1 for Windows. Ron's iMac: I read a layman's description in a recent mag about the process.....just couldn't believe that it was al happening inside this little drive I have here Ron's iMac: but obviously, it does BobS: gotta get Judy nmotivated to start back into it, we needed the guru!!!! rich c: Really? Is the installed base of OS2 still large enough to justify the effort? Dale: Actually I also made Netgraphica which was a server for grahpics too. That wass fun I got to bring my first book for it. Ron's iMac: Bob B., I'm at exactly the same place as I was when you and I last spoke face to face Dale: It was two books. One full colour and one B&w. bair: I would be glad to help any time it is fun Ron's iMac: That, despite Jill and Judy's presentation last ADAMCon BobS: and you with ALL that free time Ronald!!!!! :-( bair: did you ever get a map Dale: Well it was my last company where I worjked. I was variously the lead programmer, testing manager and product manager. Ron's iMac: free time is a myth rich c: Question, Dale - is the chat server online full time or just Wednesday evenings? Dale: OS/2 is not a good space for a consumer app anymore. Ron's iMac: Whatever I'm doing expands to fill the time available Pamela: It's like junk, Ron Ron's iMac: you got it Pamela....exactly rich c: I've heard though that sales of Windows 2000 and ME have pretty much stalled Pamela: I'm familiar with the concept of non linear time Ron's iMac: been told by the mags to wait for Windows Whistler Ron's iMac: Win Me pretty much a waste of time bair: ron did you get a map for adam bomb rich c: I believe that's now officially Wiondows XD or XT Dale: The book I co-wrote, and approved the galleys, I even when to the publisher at 7 in the morning to approve the final appearance. Ron's iMac: yes Bob B. As part of the 'con material Pamela: Excuse me - forgive the ignorance - what is Adam Bomb? Dale: The chat server is normally running all the time. I only gurantee it Wednesdays. Ron's iMac: topic Dale ?? bair: if you need help to get started anytime rich c: OK, had a chap wanted to chat but he has to work Wednesday nights. He's free Sundays, though Ron's iMac: Will hold you to that Bob B. Dale: All conversations are loged and I have an automated script that publishes transcripts. rich c: Including all our neat typos? Pamela: and shouting? rich c: they just put the caps lock too close to the a key bair: pamela adam bomb is a maze game for the adam Ron's iMac: and a neat game it is Guy B.: Well, I've been quiet, but I have to go here. See you all next week. rich c: see you Guy Ron's iMac: Good night Guy bair: bye guy Ron's iMac: write when you've made your first million Pamela: Oh, okay. Where does one acquire this game? Good nite, Guy Ron's iMac: ADAM Services rich c: it's a game for teh Adam - you don't have an Adam
Guy B. left chat session BobS: well Richard, IF youget him into achat, email me and I will show up if I am online. My email gets checked every few minutes and the horn goes off Dale: Rich, I've been thinking of trying to set an occasional time that would be appropriate for Marcel. and others who might be in Europe. rich c: will make a note of that, Bob Dale: I haven't asked to see if he would be interested though. Pamela: yes, but I know the owner of an adam and he just happens to be the owner of adam services, too rich c: that sounds like a good idea, Dale Ron's iMac: that'd be neat Dale rich c: well, I'm sure he can show you accopy, Pam Pamela: I shall have to ask him Dale: All typos, SHOUTING and speculations aboput whether the chats are recored even when I'm not attending. rich c: could probably even find you an Adam Dale: Bye for now Guyu. Pamela: Where would I put it? Dale: I'll check out your web site when it's up. rich c: Skyhook? Pamela: there's a thought bair: pamela if you get the game and need help i can give you my address and I will helpyou with the game Pamela: hang it from the ceiling rich c: the cats would love the printer, with the carriage going back and forth Pamela: Thanks, Bob - I may take you up on that Pamela: Are you kidding? The one would ignore it and the other would run and hide. Not to mention what my neighbors might think. rich c: Pity I can't get teh Adam emulator working - then you could have it at home Ron's iMac: how so Rich? bair: it is fun and I might have one othe first to finish the game rich c: mostly I don't have the patience to go through the instructions Ron's iMac: Oh ok. that can be a problem rich c: but I'd also need to find out how to transfer stuff from Adam discs to DOS Ron's iMac: the way I feel about spredsheets Pamela: I'm gonna try it the next time I'm at the house rich c: I've got the program on the machine, just don't end up doing anything with it Ron's iMac: need about a week on that process alone Rich..... complete with work labs Pamela: Spreadsheets are our friends, Ron Ron's iMac: blah! rich c: besides, I have to use it in 3.1 to make the 5.25" drive usable Dale: Today I'm surfing from Windows instead of the more reliable Linux. I'll be back in a sec... Ron's iMac: Every time I try to show off how to do it, something doesn't work Ron's iMac: Murphy! rich c: Just like I still haven't got Linux installed yet Pamela: That poor man is much abused, is Murphy
Dale left chat session rich c: Not sure whether to follow Corel's instructions or System Commanders on the installation Pamela: we were taking his name in vain earlier, too bair: hope you have a good week talk next week Ron's iMac: 6 days did our Lord labour making the earth and the universe and all that is therein. Then on the 7th, he said, "Ok Murphy, take over." rich c: OK Bob, do continue to come by often. Great having you here. Pamela: Good nite, Bob - see you next week I hope
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changed username to Dale Ron's iMac: ya rich c: Dale's back Dale: I left for a moment because IE was slowing right down. rich c: Dale, have a question for you Pamela: On Linux now Dale? rich c: Have an unused gig on my hard disc and Corel Linux disc Ron's iMac: Dale is the update process for adding and cancelling addresses on the adam list automatic (like MajorDOMO?) Dale: I think that IE and my machine couldn't handle the long transcript. rich c: Also have System Commander running the other partitions Dale: I should have switched to Linux. Next week. Dale: No. I do it,, but I am behind. Dale: I have to do it though. rich c: System Commander has its own rules for installing new OSs in empty partitions Ron's iMac: oh ok.... gotcha..... would like my Ottawa Freenet address removed rich c: Do I follow SC's installation instructions, or Corel's? Ron's iMac: and also email@example.com Dale: I thought I removed the freenet one already. Ron's iMac: the freenet one is firstname.lastname@example.org Ron's iMac: ok good, thanks Ron's iMac: the only one that should be there now is <email@example.com> Pamela: While Dale is thinking about all this, I shall bid you all good night, as the room is starting to spin. Time for bed, I think Ron's iMac: sleep well Pamela rich c: OK Pam, talk to you later this week? Pamela: Thanks Ron, I don't think that will be a challenge. Dad, I will try and call this weekend, okay? BobS: bye Pam rich c: Very good - sleep tight, then Pamela: Good nite Bob - please say hi to Judy, Doug and Meeka for me Dale: Find where they agree, is the best bet. BobS: time for me to head off into the bedroom also guys (and still Pam here) BobS: see's ya next week........ Pamela: good nite, Dale - have Jillian send me a message soon Ron's iMac: yes..... EST goes faster than PSt rich c: Corel says put teh CD on auto , dump it in and sit back. SC says no, do it our way Pamela: poof!
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BobS left chat session rich c: Bob, catch you next week - nite now Ron's iMac: I have a new downloaded version of Mandrake to install Ron's iMac: version 7.2 Dale: I've made a change Ron. Ron's iMac: thank you sir Dale: What have you prepared in SC? Ron's iMac: sorry, in SC? Dale: You need at least a Linux ext2 partition and a Linux swap partition. Dale: System Commander. For choosing between OSes. rich c: System Commander runs all my boots - I have two OS partitions (Win 3.1 and 95) and two datas partitions Ron's iMac: Oh, ok, I've got that from previous installs. Going to use the same partitions Ron's iMac: Although I've been reading that I should have separate partitions for USR HOME and some others Dale: Corel comes with it's own boot manager to launch other partitons. Ron's iMac: been putting it all on one EXT2 partition Dale: One way to do it is to have SC's boot manager launch Corel's or the other way around. Ron's iMac: Think I might just clear Win98 off my Pentium 133 and devote the whole 6 gig to Linux rich c: So if I launch Corel Linux from SC it will do its own configuration of the partition from then on? Dale: Well, in some ways you'd might as well have just a "/" (slash) partition. Ron's iMac: Ok now I'm with you. Been using Boot Magic, not System Commander Dale: If you've got a multi user system, then have a /usr partiton for installed software, and /home for user's data makes sense. rich c: Given Windows propensity for crashing, think I'd prefer to have Linux as separate as possible Ron's iMac: ok good Dale.... that makes sense Dale: But for a home system, just one partiton means that you never run out of space of one type. rich c: Oops! Will adding Linux mean I'll end up with new drive letters because I'll need more than a C drive? Ron's iMac: Well that's what happened last time I tried multiple partitions. Ran out of space. But I only had 500 meg then Dale: Rich, the / partiton contains only Linux files. You can mount your other Windows partitions under Linux but not the other way around. Ron's iMac: Only thing I found about Corel's install was that it didn't see various legacy stuff I had in this box (P133)...like the network card rich c: Think I'm a bit lost, Dale Dale: /usr normally contains system software other than the software need to boot. Ron's iMac: never had any trouble that way with Mandrake Dale: /home contains the user file areas. rich c: SC creates separate C partitions invisible to each other for each OS Dale: / contains everything by default. Ron's iMac: Also have LINUX PPC for the iMac.... as yet uninstalled Dale: Linux doesn't follow the C: D: ... naming convention, so you have "/" (slash) and any other file systems look like subdirectories under it. Dale: That means the your drive A: files appear as /floppy/readme.txt Ron's iMac: /dev/fda0 Dale: or your CD-ROm could appear as /cdrom rich c: Then how does it look to my BIOS? One big dirve called C, or something else? Dale: To your bios it looks like a Linux ext2 partiton (type 83) and all of your FAT drive are available too. Dale: BRB. rich c: this is beginning to look a bit more complicated than I thought Ron's iMac: I had some difficulty getting my head around this stuff Rich. Still not sure about some of it....how the file structure works rich c: Among other things, I'm already having some path troubles from adding (thereby renaming) drives Dale: Back. rich c: I'm not sure I want to go round that one again Ron's iMac: you pretty well have to under stand something about how Linux sets up in order to navigate . Ron's iMac: although, the Xwindow system helps you with point and click ..... sometimes rich c: Yes, and I'm not sure whre to find an interoduction Dale: So to SC, it will see a primary parition (all C: partitions are primary) of a strange type. Ron's iMac: Any of the basic books.... have one of the "Teach Yourself in 24 hours series...." Teach yourself Linux in 24 Hours" rich c: which means then that it will not reletter any of my drives, Dale Dale: We'll have to get together some Sunday afternoon. Jill is at work and I have that time free usually. rich c: For sure, that would be neat Dale: Right Rich. To Windows ithose drive will not be visible. Ron's iMac: you'll be in good hands Rich rich c: yes, Dale knows what he's about Ron's iMac: unless you mount it Dale: I actually installed Linux at AdamCon 2 years ago. Dale: Rembmber Ron? Ron's iMac: I can actually see the dos side of the house Ron's iMac: Yes ... remember that Dale rich c: was that in a session or one of the informals, Dale? Ron's iMac: we have a user group going here..... on Linux.... 8 of us Dale: That was a prep for my session. Ron's iMac: I'm a relative newbie....we've got some good expertise Ron's iMac: hah.... a newbie with 5 years experience Dale: I don't rembmber Linux being a session. Buy I was using the emulator under Linux. rich c: I don't want to mess with it too much, but would like to try using it Dale: Well, find me some sunday afternoon and I'll get you fixed up with Corel Linux on your system. rich c: right. almost forgot that, even though I downloaded the Linux version of the emulator at one point Ron's iMac: would like to at least get to the point where I can make modifications to the kernel and recompile Ron's iMac: so I'm able to reconfigure for some of the older hardware rich c: OK Dale, right now I'm breaking in a new satellite dish, but that's what VCRs are for Ron's iMac: anyway guys...... see ya's next week rich c: yes, it's getting late even out on the Left Coast rich c: have a good one, Ron Ron's iMac: take care men Ron's iMac: ker....poof
Ron's iMac left chat session rich c: Dale, I don't think I have your phone number rich c: also, what are the tactful times to call? Dale: Safelysorry... Dale: I'm easiest to reach ... thinking... rich c: right Dale: Phone my cell phone 416-451-2697 after 5pm is usually good. Or in the afternoon on Saturday or Sunday. rich c: remember I'm very flexible - except in the morning Dale: sounds good. rich c: I'm getting into geek habits - the time I get up in the morning is defined by teh time I go to bed in the morning Dale: Right. :-) ;-) rich c: if you need to call me, I have an answering machine. A busy signal means I'm online Dale: Okay. Dale: I'll talk to you later. rich c: Oh, and I don't use the machine to monmitor. If there's no answer, I'm not in (except dinner time) rich c: right. I shall look forward to it. rich c: Guess we'd bettervwrap it up for now, though, Dale: bye rich c: nite. Dale: poof
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