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changed username to Pamela Pamela: Gee, you must be lonesom, Dad rich-c: yes, no one but you has arrived yet rich-c: don't know what's with the rest of the gang tonight Pamela: Russell's here too, temporarily Pamela: It's only 9:16, they'll get here rich-c: OK - hello, Russell Pamela: He says hi rich-c: anyway, gather you found the sailing game not to your taste Pamela: It's nothing to write home about - he says 'alright, but not as good as he thought"
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changed username to Dale rich-c: well, hello Dale Dale: I'm not here. Pamela: Age of Sail II is about to come out - it may be better rich-c: or only partly here? Pamela: Hi, Dale - how come you're not really here? Dale: I'm still at work. Pamela: Oh, that explains it. rich-c: Pam - I have all three computer papers here for you rich-c: So you're logging on from the office, in between bouts of writing code? Pamela: Right. I guess I should see you at some point, then, huh? rich-c: well, we haven't talked for a while Pamela: Um, life is a bit messy right now, what with work and other stuff rich-c: know what you mean - I'm not without my diversions either rich-c: with the satellite dish my weekends look to be a lot busier Pamela: Well, I was sort of sick all weekend - no inclination to do anything except stare at the boob tube Dale: I just wanted to make sure that the server was working correctly. Pamela: Or sleep, of course - Mom will be pleased Dale: I rearranged my network this week. rich-c: thanks for checking, Dale, we do value our chats highly Dale: Anyway since things are working I'd better go. Pamela: Dale, I never heard from Jillian - I would love to rich-c: OK glad to have you here even if only for a minute Dale: Pamela, she plans to, but hasn't yet. I'll remind her. Pamela: I don't think we appreciate how much work goes into maintaining this thing - let me take this opportunity to say thanks rich-c: by the way, only one person turned up Sunday, but we had a good talk Pamela: Who were you talking to, Dad? rich-c: Dave Compson, a policeman from Las Vegas Pamela: The guy with the free Adam, right? rich-c: you've got it rich-c: he can't come on these nights - he works the 4 p.m. to 2 a.m. shift
Dale left chat session Pamela: That's a weird shift rich-c: yes, sounds like he must be on a 4 x 10 week, but his off day is never Wednesday rich-c: I'm waiting to hear from him when the Adam arrives, but it's likely to be some time yet Pamela: Russell says the problems with Age of Sail are: no coast line, graphics could be better but on the plus side, realistic sail status and reload times (sorry for the abrupt change) rich-c: that's OK, I appreciate the commentary Pamela: How did you send the Adam, by turtle? rich-c: I do have to decide whether to devote a rather humungous chunk of my hard disc to it Pamela: Need a bigger hard disk, Dad. rich-c: snail - the US Snail Pamela: As in snail mail? rich-c: need a new computer, but can't decide on the most basic items rich-c: actually Parcel Post, but yes, the mail "service" Pamela: Like what? You have a good monitor, a decent keyboard and good sound, so now you have to go on to things like hard drive size, CD ROM vs. CD-RW, DVD, graphics - how much do you need? rich-c: Start with processor - how imperative are the new Intel extensions going to be? Pamela: Thought you didn't like Intel? rich-c: then operating system - 98/2 is reasonably well proven and will support my existing hardware/software Pamela: 98/2 is what I'm using and haven't had any problems so far (knock wood!) rich-c: on the other hand ME has much greater support for some goodies, but doesn't support other legacy stuff I still value Pamela: I have heard very poor reviews for the most part on ME - better not to go with it rich-c: but the new Whistler is going to have such rigid copy protection you'll need Bill Gates personal permission to reload it after your hard disc crashes/dies Pamela: what is Whistler - the newest version of Windows? rich-c: And do I want serial, parallel, USB and/or Firewire ports, or will wireless come in too quickly? rich-c: Whistler is the consumer Windows 2001 due later this year rich-c: If allowing for wireless, Bluetooth, 802.11b or some third option? Pamela: Decide how much $ you want to spend, then get the best system youcan for the bucks - the latest gadgets will be there when you upgrade again in 5 years or so
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: yes, but the way things are jumping around, it may not last nearly five years
changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Greetings!!! rich-c: hello Guy, we wre just talking about computers Pamela: Well, then, don't spend a lot of money right now - wait until things are more defined Pamela: Hi, Guy, nice to see another body rich-c: I don't see that I have much choice rich-c: money as you know just isn't a problem, it's finding the right thing to spend it on Pamela: Oh, the joys of being in the intermediate age of the computer revolution - a little of this, alittle of that . . . Pamela: Still, you don't want a boat anchor in 2 years Guy B.: Oh you were. I'm finally going to start building my new Athlon this weekend. Barring anymore interuptions. I got my Athlon 850 processor last weekend. So, finally it will be started. Pamela: Drool. rich-c: rate you're going, Guy, it will be obsolete before you get the hard disc formatted Guy B.: Now was anyone on last Saturday? Pamela: I'm not above a little computer envy rich-c: yes, Dave Compson joined me. Ron forgot all about it Guy B.: I tried at 3:00, but no one was there. Guess it was a short one. rich-c: yes, Dave had to leave about 2.45, had stuff to do before his shift started at 4 rich-c: still, we had a good hour and a half of interesting chat Guy B.: So it was just the two of you. rich-c: really, that's all it takes in many cases rich-c: remember we had not talked before, just exchanged emails, so the free flow gave us ,ots of openings Guy B.: I would of joined at 2:00, but I didn't get home from work until 2:30. I'll try for this Satruday. Pamela: Unless you like talking to yourself rich-c: Oh, is there going to be one this Saturday? Guy B.: I have to work again this Saturday. Ah, the extra money will come in handy. rich-c: found yourself a new love interest? Pamela: Why do you have to work on Saturday, Guy? Guy B.: Our dept is up to our ears in semi annual reports we have to process. Plus, we get paid for working overtime. rich-c: that's always persuasive - teh overtime pay, that is Pamela: Sounds familiar. rich-c: well, just discovered that Opera spellcheck doesn't operate in chat Guy B.: We do this for January and July and it never ends. My car is still in the body shop and I don't know when it will be ready. Pamela: At least they pay you for the O/T - some places are pretty stubborn about that Pamela: Do you have a rental during repairs? rich-c: they still haven't got your car fixed? Guy B.: Yes, still have the rental. Been a week Rich. Pamela: How much damage ($) was there? rich-c: work overload at the shop, or is the insurance being difficult? Guy B.: I'm estimating about $3000 rich-c: these days, that's not much more than a broken headlight Pamela: Given the turnaround on our claims recently, I'm not that surprised at the timing. That Pamela: 's considerably more than a headlight, dad. Pamela: Headlight assemblies usually run about $150 - $200 rich-c: Priced some of thes new high-end assemblies, Pam? Guy B.: Well, it's the wheel well panel and I'm very sure that it will be replaced. Photos have been taken of the damage and I'll bring it to the con to show you. Pamela: Kindly remember what I do for a living, Dad Pamela: What year is your car, Guy? rich-c: yes, but folks wuith the xenon multiple lamps aren't common in Car-Ex shops Guy B.: 1993 Buick Century. Pamela: So, high end, but metal panels - they may repair rather than replace, depending on how much damage rich-c: Ugh - front wheel drive. That always makes things expensive Guy B.: The good news was the wheel itself was not damaged. Just the panel. Pamela: Make sure you get an alignment as well, Guy - just to be sure Pamela: That's Car-X, Dad rich-c: yes, but there's a lot of stuff in behind attached to it that can get torn or bent Guy B.: I plan to get new tires this spring and I might as well do that too. rich-c: if you need them, get them.
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: 90% of tire troubles occur in the last 10% of tire life rich-c: if that
changed username to Ron's Mandrake rich-c: s Ron he's early, if it's Bob he rich-c: s late Guy B.: Well, it's the original tires that came with the car when my sister had it. So, it's due and it has 68000 miles on them. Ron's Mandrake: early Guy B.: Hi Ron! Pamela: If you decide to get new tires, Guy, go to a Car-X - I'll try to get you a discount Pamela: Good Evening Ron Ron's Mandrake: All is well? Pamela: Except for Guy's car, yes rich-c: lessee - got to take a minute to figure out this Mandrake bit Guy B.: Car-X only does mufflers and brakes, right? Ron's Mandrake: It's Linux Mandrake 7.02 OS Guy B.: You have Linux running Ron? Ron's Mandrake: ya Pamela: No, we are now Car-X Auto service - we do exhaust, brakes, alignments, tires, suspension, radiator flushes & fills, just about anything you want. rich-c: OK - let's hear it for Linux rich-c: that's because it managed to get you on, and do it early Guy B.: On which computer Ron? Ron's Mandrake: P133 Ron's Mandrake: Variety you know Guy B.: Well, so you managed to dual boot between Linux and Win98. Guess you have System Commander then, right? Ron's Mandrake: Um... no, Boot Magic rich-c: and makes the boat anchor look like a high-speed Chris-Craft Pamela: I'm told it's the spice of life Guy B.: How's that different from System Commander? Ron's Mandrake: actually, just lately this one's the most reliable of the bunch Pamela: What happened to the iMac? Ron's Mandrake: Built from spare parts rich-c: you don't need a dual-boot setup with Linux, you can have it as a directory in Windows Ron's Mandrake: for those who wish, yes Guy B.: I know there is a Linux that you can run in Windows. I can't remember the name of it, but I've seen it in the stores. rich-c: afraid it will get contaminated if it finds out about Bill Gates?
(Guy B. laughs heartily) Pamela: How did I know that was coming? Ron's Mandrake: This one can see the Windows partition and exchange files, etc. rich-c: (I'd worry about that) Guy B.: Ron, I take it you are in graphics mode in Linux. Ron's Mandrake: yes, really not a heck of a lot of difference..... using Netscape 4.7. something rich-c: I've heard that on multi-boot machines Linux can do that Ron's Mandrake: looks pretty much the same Pamela: BRB, folks - gotta go lock the front door after Russell. Guy B.: Well, that's the version I'm using with Win95. rich-c: I downloaded Netscape 6 day before yesterday rich-c: have been giving it a preliminary try Guy B.: Ok, I know there are different versions of Linux out there. What do you guys recommend? Ron's Mandrake: As newly elected Pres of the local Linux User Group (North Island Linux User Group) I need the practice rich-c: it managed to royally screw up my bookmarks and won't let me edit them Ron's Mandrake: I'm a newbie and I get elected Pres Ron's Mandrake: Told them... which part of the word 'no' don't you understand, but it didn't work rich-c: yes, that's what happened to us with the Adam, remember, Ron? Ron's Mandrake: oh yes, I remember it well rich-c: Guy, I own Corel Linux but haven't installed it yet rich-c: but I got the CD free at a Cor4el seminar - their demo looked neat Ron's Mandrake: When Lou Hubert left AUFG, there was a void, and the void was without form and substance Ron's Mandrake: 75 members in that club, and not one would come forward rich-c: funny you should say, just substitute Tony Bombardier... rich-c: sounds eerily familiar Ron's Mandrake: the rest we all know
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changed username to Guy B. Ron's Mandrake: What I find amazing Rich is that it took several years for us to meet rich-c: mind you, if they hadn't put two big guys in front of the only door... Guy B.: Ok. I'm back. Got cut again. Ron's Mandrake: re hi Guy rich-c: what's with your ISP? I thought you got a new, good one? Guy B.: Ok, what version and OS would you guys recommend to me? Ron's Mandrake: They're all a pain Guy rich-c: technically, they call tehm distributions, Guy Guy B.: It's the same ISP that Bob Slopsema and I have, Corecomm. Ron's Mandrake: Oh you mean Linux Ron's Mandrake: All depends rich-c: to confuse things, branders may have other distributions rich-c: for instance I think Corel uses the Debian distribution Ron's Mandrake: There's a neat article in the latest Linux Journal about that.... reviews them all rich-c: don't know which Red Hat offers Guy B.: Yes, Ron. Linux. There's Red Hat, Mandrake, even Corol has one. Isn't there a free one? Ron's Mandrake: Corel rich-c: they are all free Ron's Mandrake: depends on the system you're using. Corel is great for the newbie, it just sort of steps in and installs itself. but you had rich-c: if you get charged it's for a medium, printed documentation or other services Ron's Mandrake: better have a new computer with no odd legacy stuff Guy B.: Then how come companies like Tigerdirect.com is charging for them in the box? Ron's Mandrake: Mandrake does the best job - imho - of detecting whatever is there....Network cards from Boeing Surplus, etc rich-c: I thought Linux was kinda behind on its drivers and legacy was an advantage Ron's Mandrake: That used to be true Rich, but lately they've been getting more picky. The latest distributions of Red Hat failed to Guy B.: Would it work better with Intel or AMD? I'm building a new system with an Athlon 850 processor. All new stuff. Ron's Mandrake: recognize my sound card and my network card Ron's Mandrake: Yes, Guy. Corel would do just fine with that kind of setup rich-c: It's quite indifferent as to platform or processor from all I can gather Ron's Mandrake: Now the seasoned Linux user doesn't care about any of this Guy B.: Where can I get a copy at? Ron's Mandrake: because he/she can go and write or amend the various configuration files to take account of whatever is aboard rich-c: it's open source software, anyone can write it change it, distribute it, do as they damn please Ron's Mandrake: yup rich-c: the one thing they can't do is charge for it - only for associated services rich-c: if you' rich-c: d rathetr buy a CD than download upteen megs, they'll charge for the CD Guy B.: How big is the file? Ron's Mandrake: agreed Rich. At least you get a book rich-c: download from corel.com Ron's Mandrake: I've just downloaded the latest Mandrake distribution (the one after the one I have installed now) but I"m Ron's Mandrake: reluctant to install it. Burned it onto CD, and all that, and there it sits rich-c: or maybe linux.corel.com is faster, but there will be links rich-c: you can get Star Office suite free to run under it, it's very full-featured rich-c: there asre Netscape and Opear Linux versions Pamela: I'm back - have you mastered Star Office yet, Dad? Ron's Mandrake: oh yes. Actually with Star Office, you don't even need Netscape Guy B.: I've heard about that. I know about the web browsers. Ron's Mandrake: Esseentially the Star Office Shell is a browser Guy B.: What about the others, like Red Hat? rich-c: no, it's too egomaniacal a program - spend all my time telling it "that's someone else's job" Pamela: Huh? Ron's Mandrake: If you want to stay mainstream Guy, the Red Hat is the most widely used Ron's Mandrake: Hey... we're leaving Pam behind here.....this is an ADAM discussion right? Pamela: very funny, Ron Ron's Mandrake: I know Dale is right into Linux Pamela: I've been ghosting for a few minutes Ron's Mandrake: aha! Guy B.: Ron, what would be good for me. Corol or Red Hat? Pamela: lurk, lurk, lurk\ rich-c: anyway, I found Star Office assumes you want it to do everything it's capable of even when you have better programs for the purpose Ron's Mandrake: Recommend Red Hat Guy rich-c: tends to change dlls and defaults and stuff behind your back Guy B.: They have a website that I can check it out at? Ron's Mandrake: yeah.... there have been times Rich where it kinda got in the way ... had to tell it to butt out Ron's Mandrake: I'm afraid Gates has me conditioned, and I compare everything with Microsoft Orifice rich-c: that's a gentle way of putting it, Ron - I wasn't so kind Pamela: Dad! Such language! Pamela: Since I'm a Lotus Smartsuite user, I can't really comment Ron's Mandrake: he didn't say anything, that was me rich-c: corel is corel.com, I think there's a redhyat.com Pamela: Oh yes he did, I heard it all the way over here Ron's Mandrake: Guy, it you want to start with a site that tells you all, go to rich-c: I have problems enough with Mr. Gates without adding Office to them Ron's Mandrake: www.linux.org Guy B.: Be right back. Going to check this out. rich-c: and isn't there an opensource.org too? and FreeBSD.org? Ron's Mandrake: Also have Corel WordPerfect 2000, Wordperfect 8 for Linux, Lotus Smartsuite, Millenium edition, Ron's Mandrake: I'm a software wordprocessor junkie Pamela: is there a difference between a .com and a .org? rich-c: speaking of open source, got me a little word processor last week Ron's Mandrake: .com is 'commercial' Guy B.: Yep. got www.redhat.com coming up in another window right now. rich-c: not quite sure why, just sounded like it might be worth looking at Ron's Mandrake: .org is..... um......... a non-profit group or organization (not quite certain of that) rich-c: it's call AbiWite and comes from AbiSource.org Ron's Mandrake: if you want to be a .com you have to pay money Ron's Mandrake: .org registration is free Pamela: I started on Wordperfect, then went to Lotus when we switched at the office. Pamela: Okay, I'm a little less confused. Ron's Mandrake: abiWite or AbiWrite? Ron's Mandrake: but then Pam there's .gov, .edu, .mil rich-c: sorry - make that AbiWord Ron's Mandrake: ok Pamela: I know .gov is anything government in all countries, what are the others? Ron's Mandrake: must check it out. Ron's Mandrake: somewhere here I have a book rich-c: not to mention the nationals - .ca, .uk, .ch,.jp, .nl..... rich-c: there's .net and .edu rich-c: and soon there will be a lot of new ones Pamela: Okay, I get the picture - now I need the caption to go with it rich-c: in fact I believe james' site has a .tv domain - not sure what that's about rich-c: new ones will include .biz, .museum rich-c: our government doesn't use .gov - it's gc.ca/ Ron's Mandrake: .net Pamela: the Ontario government uses .gov - it's in Lindsay's email address Pamela: as in moh.gov.on.ca rich-c: yes, but I don't think it's as the final unit in the domain name., is it? Pamela: Don't know - haven't checked a website, just the e-mail address rich-c: well, the top domain in that is .ca, the rest is just modifiers Guy B.: I'm going to download of the guides first before I download the main file it self. rich-c: sensible, you're likely to find out it's like leaerning CP/M Ron's Mandrake: yesterday I bought an early version of OS/2 for 5 bux Ron's Mandrake: Don't know why Ron's Mandrake: except it hadn't been opened rich-c: neither do I - why didn't they pay you to take it? Pamela: I feel like I'm back at school, complete with teachers Ron's Mandrake: the school of hard knocks Pam rich-c: not unless you were in the habit of eavesdropping on the staff room Pamela: No, that's if Dad's not teaching - and I was in the habit, remember? Ron's Mandrake: exactly Rich Pamela: The joys of being the librarian's kid - free access to otherwise restricted areas rich-c: right Ron's Mandrake: would be an advantage Pam Pamela: Oh, the things I learned Pamela: None of them reprintable Ron's Mandrake: All I know is I've GOT to get myself a new office chair Ron's Mandrake: This one's having adverse impact on my back rich-c: but she did learn when not to talk about certain things! Pamela: True! rich-c: what impact is your back having on the chair, Ron? Ron's Mandrake: :) Pamela: I managed to score an ergonomic chair from work for $5.00 when we were cleaning out the office - it's the same one I use at work and I could sit in it all day with no problems rich-c: my problem is with my printer rich-c: it's deeper than its shelf Ron's Mandrake: Actually, it's what's in front of the back Pamela: Um, would'nt that be the front? rich-c: so the paper catcher sticks out front and catches my foot every time I move rich-c: doesn't hurt my foot at all, but I worry about the catche4r Ron's Mandrake: ergonomics Pamela: Push the catcher in when you're not using it, Dad - it should do that rich-c: oh well, at least so far the printer works well Pamela: Okay, printer opinions please Ron's Mandrake: shot rich-c: no Pam, it unhooks but doesn't swing aside - and it's a pain to reinstall Ron's Mandrake: shoot Pamela: what, shoot the printer? Pamela: Doesn't it telescope under the printer? Ron's Mandrake: I don't know much about printers that I could say in a family chat room rich-c: actually, my experience has been most printers work well but recent ones have a serious drinking problem Ron's Mandrake: Presently have a Hewlett Packard Deskjet 660C that never quite knows what it's connected to Pamela: So that's the *hic* I've been hearing lately - I couldn't figure out where it was coming from rich-c: and Pam, no, mine is not the retractable sort Pamela: Mine has taken to upchucking ink all over the page - it's cheaper to replace than repair, I think rich-c: oh, mine is connected to the parallel pass-through of the scanner Ron's Mandrake: have an old (and very large) Apple Laserwriter that North Island College kinda left at the back door rich-c: it secretly lustss to be coupled with a USB port Ron's Mandrake: actually it is Rich. The iMac has a USB/Parallel converter Pamela: You know, if I told people what came out of these convos, nobody would believe me Pamela: That was very careless of the college, Ron rich-c: well, they're logged, so they can see for themselves Ron's Mandrake: inddeed it was Pamela: They should be more careful - you never know what types are hanging around Ron's Mandrake: they have a massive garage sale every year. Always make it a point to go rich-c: will be slight delays in reaction while I ward off a nic fit - I'll be in and out for a few minutes Ron's Mandrake: I hear ya my son Pamela: I really want a three in one copier, printer, fax but they run to about $600 and the toner paks are $100 each - way too rich for my blood Ron's Mandrake: So really Pam, it still comes down to the question.... what will you be printing? Ron's Mandrake: And who is going to read it Ron's Mandrake: Is there a need to make an impression Pamela: Well, Russell likes the astronomy websites and anything to do with Scientific American. Ron's Mandrake: or will 'draft' mode do for most things rich-c: yes, but something like my S400 should handle that Ron's Mandrake: you want pic's, and do you need the pic's to be really good? Pamela: There is not much need for impressive displays except work that i may print off Ron's Mandrake: Let's say this about that. Ron's Mandrake: I have a colour printer (the HP) and I have been through 3 times as many black cartriges and color cartridges Pamela: The colour on my BJC 4300 is off - I would like more realistic colour for my cross stitch projects, any cards or calendars I make, etc Ron's Mandrake: cartridges? Pamela: cartridges, I think Ron's Mandrake: Ok then you've defined your requirement .... if you're into that, something a little newer would be in order Ron's Mandrake: These days they're rated in 'dots per inch'. The going value for about $150 bucks is 1200 dots per inch rich-c: Mine has a separate black cartridge - but it cost $65 before taxes Pamela: I know we use more black than colour - I 'm not really the heavy user, that's the other half - he likes the cheat sites for gamers and prints reams of stuff off them Ron's Mandrake: mine only does a paltry 300 dots per inch, and the colour ain't great Pamela: I have been eyeing Kimberly's HP - what I've seen so far has looked really good Ron's Mandrake: but the greater the dots per inch, the more ink you're going to use. and it's the Carts that are expensive Pamela: She has a 612something, I believe rich-c: don't know what mine is, but the colour seems OK rich-c: you can come over and give it a try, Pam Pamela: I just may do that, Dad - but having had one Canon, do I really want another? Ron's Mandrake: Was looking at stuff over in Edmonton and they're almost giving the printers away Ron's Mandrake: but they get you with the ink rich-c: the S400 has separate ink tanks for colours (3) plus black Ron's Mandrake: seems to me that Consumer Reports has done a comparison on brands available Pamela: The black cartridges for the BJC 4300 were only $9.99, and they last a fairly long time Ron's Mandrake: oh really Pamela: Of course, the printer is another matter Pamela: It died just out of warranty Ron's Mandrake: I tell ya, my experience with this HP 660C will prompt me to ask next time about the cost of ink carts rich-c: all computer equipemnt does that, doesn't it? Pamela: Well the computer itself is okay Ron's Mandrake: no...... my iMac died 2 weeks BEFORE warranty's end Ron's Mandrake: surprised the hell out of me Pamela: Now that's timing Ron's Mandrake: actually it didn't die, I think I killed it Pamela: you . . you . . murderer, you rich-c: for many of the printers you can get ink cartridge refill kits Ron's Mandrake: had to have a new G3 processor... which it got, at no cost to me rich-c: how did you do it in, Ron? Overwork? Ron's Mandrake: we have a guy here who does it locally Rich. Cost is about half, and the endurance is actually better Ron's Mandrake: he's making a fortune Pamela: I'll bet rich-c: here you can buy kits that will do about six refills for $30 Ron's Mandrake: re the G3 Rich, we're not sure, but my seller says it may have been him. We replaced the hard drive Ron's Mandrake: upgraded for larger last April, and he thinks he might have statically discharged into the machine Ron's Mandrake: ...apparently it can take up to 4 months for a zap to make it's presence felt rich-c: you must have a good vendor if he'd actually admit it Ron's Mandrake: he's since installed all sorts of anti-static gear in his shop Pamela: I hope he removed the carpet while he was at it Ron's Mandrake: he's a very good vendor... also a Mac User group member Ron's Mandrake: yup.... rubber mat on cement floor now rich-c: that makes a great deal of positive difference Ron's Mandrake: in the work area at least Guy B.: I'm still here. Going to check Corel's website. Pamela: How's the download going, Guy? rich-c: wondering whre you'd been, Guy rich-c: maybe he should get Katiesoft - that lets you have four windows open on the screen at once Pamela: obviously, it's keeping him busy Ron's Mandrake: Katiesoft? Pamela: ?? Guy B.: Redhat was a little confusing. So, I'm going to check Corel's Linux. rich-c: I think the docs for Opera say you can do that in Opera too Pamela: Where do you get this stuff, Dad? rich-c: Katiesoft is a freebie, think it's a sort of "skin" for IE Ron's Mandrake: Keep track of your impressions Guy....you're not alone rich-c: tell you when you come over, Pam, it's too long a tale for now Pamela: oh no. Ron's Mandrake: To my mind, Linux has come a long way, but it still has a way to go before being of interest to the average user Ron's Mandrake: aha! rich-c: sort of like CP/M once upon a time Ron's Mandrake: Was going to ask, who is Katie, and why is she soft? Pamela: Very good questions Ron's Mandrake: but I won't ask that rich-c: that's good Pamela: Awww! Ron's Mandrake: Hey guys Ron's Mandrake: I now have a web cam Ron's Mandrake: and a microphone that actually works Ron's Mandrake: can transmit my ugly mug all over the world rich-c: so what are they good for? Pamela: Do you really want others to see you first thing in the morning with no makeup? No thanks Pamela: That would scare the people I talk to Ron's Mandrake: I don't know.... just happened to have 100 bux burning a hole in my pocket rich-c: if we all had mikes could we chat by voice? Ron's Mandrake: yes... we could do that Pamela: Well, send it this way - I could use it Ron's Mandrake: I haven't the slightest notion what I'm going to do with it Ron's Mandrake: but it works rather well I must say rich-c: the latest Eudora has some sort of voice-enablement Guy B.: Well, I'm going have to put Linux on hold. Corel says I need to transfer the files to a CD-Rom in order for it to work. The CD-RW drive will be coming later on this year. So, not now. rich-c: Put it on your hard drive against the day, Guy Ron's Mandrake: Yes Guy, meant to tell you that. They assume you have a burner rich-c: then when you do get the hardware you'll have it to hand Ron's Mandrake: but you can go buy it at your local establishment where such things are sold Ron's Mandrake: for about $39.95 (and that's Canadian) Pamela: About $15.00 US rich-c: no, Ron, maybe he'll want a 2x and those faster ones cost a bit more Guy B.: They mentioned I could get it for $4.95 shipping. But, I think it would be better that I wait until I get this new system of mine, built and running. Ron's Mandrake: true Ron's Mandrake: good idea Guy. rich-c: build it in from the start, Guy, and save redoing the hard disc when the installation crashes it Ron's Mandrake: that is a good point Rich rich-c: voice of experience Pamela: not the voice of doom? Ron's Mandrake: I've found when doing these various upgrades, I'm usually better to start by cleaning everything off Ron's Mandrake: Windows and Linux sides of the house Ron's Mandrake: And sometimes I'm not really prepared to do that Guy B.: Win95 with USB will be going on the new system. I plan to put two hard drives in there now. One I got with Win95, the other a brand new 13GB hard drive. Ron's Mandrake: It does involve repartitioning, although you can get away without doing that if you're lucky rich-c: I know, I still haven't installed my 56K modem; still using the 33.6 Ron's Mandrake: Someday I must inject some sanity into things around here rich-c: Guy, ask Dale about that - he says the USB support in Win95 is largely a pious hope, even in 95B Ron's Mandrake: Three boxes with at least 2 operating systems on each Ron's Mandrake: if I ever get alszheimers, I'm in trouble Pamela: Nothing like a little variety, Pamela: Ron Ron's Mandrake: can't spell it, so I don't got it rich-c: thwe nice thing about multiple OS partitions is that when one crashes you still have resources available Guy B.: Well, checking out the docs with this computer. There's a driver for the USB ports and it would work with the original Win95. Ron's Mandrake: That's right Rich. It's a good defence against Murphy Ron's Mandrake: if there's really any defence against Murphy Pamela: A good offence. rich-c: Guy, I think my motherboard docs say the same thing - but Dale is dubious rich-c: he could be wrong but I'm leery of putting his experience to the test Ron's Mandrake: Guy.... word of warning. I've found USB ports on my Win 98 to be a little flaky (they sometimes don't work) Guy B.: There's one way to find out. Install the OS and see if it recognizes the ports. Ron's Mandrake: My son Jeff had the same experience on his rich-c: I'd like to have working USB ports because my printer supports them Ron's Mandrake: iMac's are solid Guy B.: Well, I got to run. I'll see you all next week. Ron's Mandrake: be good Guy Pamela: Good nite, Guy rich-c: OK Guy, let us know how you get on with the Linux hunt Guy B.: Oh, I will. Keep an eye on the list. Ron's Mandrake: yeah, really..... if you have any questions holler rich-c: will do that. be good Ron's Mandrake: I don't have many answers, but I know people who do
Guy B. left chat session Pamela: Time I went to bed too - just ask my mother rich-c: your mother says yes Pamela: On second thought, don't - too late Ron's Mandrake: Say hi to Frances for me Ron's Mandrake: Hi Frances rich-c: Frances says Hi Ron Pamela: I gotta catch up on my snoozes - I lose way too many - Hi Mom and G'nite, Mom Ron's Mandrake: :) rich-c: Nite Pam from both Ron's Mandrake: take care Pam Pamela: Will see you next week - bye! rich-c: bye
Pamela left chat session Ron's Mandrake: I just paid my annual software tax to Intuit for their latest Quicken rich-c: Ron, I wonder if it's worth offering the weekend chat again Ron's Mandrake: How many did you get....sorry, I just plumb forgot rich-c: just me and Dave Compson Ron's Mandrake: will have to stick up a note here or something Ron's Mandrake: Who is Dave Compson? rich-c: mind you, 90 minutes helping a "newbie" was time well spent rich-c: he's the guy who took up my offer of the free Adam Ron's Mandrake: yeah well that's a plus Ron's Mandrake: ok rich-c: it has now been in the mail to him for a week or so rich-c: I'm eagerly awaiting his report of receipt but suspect it will be a few weeks yet Ron's Mandrake: Do it one more time Rich. Announce it like you did last week Ron's Mandrake: I don't have to go out Sat morning, and noon would still be good rich-c: I'm afraid everyone will think either I'm organizing these things, or that it is a fixture Ron's Mandrake: Know how you feel Ron's Mandrake: nobody from Europe eh? rich-c: not a peep, dammit rich-c: nor was there any feedback in the email, either Ron's Mandrake: Wonder if a message to Marcel would help Ron's Mandrake: specifically to him I mean rich-c: he's on the mailing list, isn't he? Ron's Mandrake: yes, and I know he does read sometimes rich-c: I invited comment in my posting about Telegames but no reaction to that either Ron's Mandrake: I've still got that on my 'to do' list. Was contemplating a purchase rich-c: I thought an emulator as a native Windows program using DirectX sounded interestinmg Ron's Mandrake: it is indeed, and I'd like to try it Ron's Mandrake: well sir..... I shall off I think rich-c: I found a CD of Activision games and emulator but it seemed to be a DOS thing and likely unstable rich-c: the box talked a lot about possible crashes Ron's Mandrake: well that's one thing about Marcel's Ron's Mandrake: It's solid as a rock rich-c: yes, it's about that time Ron Ron's Mandrake: even on an iMac, running a win98 emulator rich-c: I'll take the thought of one more try under advisement, for 8 Zulu Ron's Mandrake: ok... let us know about Sat Ron's Mandrake: ok Ron's Mandrake: sounds good rich-c: right - 8 Zulu is 3 here. I shall see Ron's Mandrake: I'm going to stick up a big note here Ron's Mandrake: yup, and noon here rich-c: maybe I'll send you a forward Friday night Ron's Mandrake: good. Ron's Mandrake: take care my son rich-c: time to go - take care, till teh weekend Ron's Mandrake: :)
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