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changed username to WB rich-c: hi WB WB: Hello rich-c rich-c: Is that Willie? WB: Yes! rich-c: haven't seen you for a while - you've been missed WB: I have been working on Wednesday's nights WB: I am at work right now! rich-c: that seems to be a recurrent problem but one we can't get around rich-c: I assume you're awre of the Saturday afternoon chats we've been having lately WB: How is everything rich-c: up here we'e digging out of about 8 inches of snow - we got off easy WB: Yes I read on the list about it. I will probably be tere this Saturday rich-c: OK. We set that up partly for Dave Compson
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changed username to Pamela rich-c: He's a cop in Las Vegas who works the 4 to midnight shift and never has Wednesday evenings free Pamela: Achoo! Hi rich-c: hi daughter WB: Only 8 iches ! rich-c: well, Chicago get off easier on this one, I gather; it missed you entirely Pamela: Hi. Damn cold. WB: Yes! It did! rich-c: cheer up, Willie's managed to make it tonight WB: Hello Pamela! Pamela: so I see. Nice to see you, Willie. rich-c: anyway, WB, last week we laso got Ron and Guy for a bit on Saturday WB: Good to see you also! Pamela: Sorry if I disappear in the middle of a sentence, I have acquired a nasty head cold. rich-c: I'd hoped some Europeans would turn up Saturday, but at leasst we have two new North Americans WB: Sorry to hear about your illness! Pamela: Unfortunately, I slept through Saturday's chat Pamela: Want it? I'm tired of it already rich-c: ah, I was wondering whre you were Pamela: I told you that, Dad. On Saturday when I finally turned up rich-c: had a really weird experience on the Internet last week
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changed username to Guy B. Pamela: Hi, Guy WB: Hello Guy B Guy B.: Greetings! rich-c: aha, now two from Chicago - hi Guy Pamela: How's the car, Guy? ; ) Guy B.: Hi Willie, What have you been up to? Haven't heard from you in awhile. Guy B.: Hi Pam, car is running great. They did a nice job. WB: I am at work right now. I have been working these past Wednesdays Pamela: Glad to know it. rich-c: teaching night classes? Pamela: What is it about you Chicago guys and your overtime? WB: Yes. rich-c: assume your on your prep time at the moment, then Guy B.: Well, he's at work and I'm at home and I probably going to get a break from the overtime shortly. WB: No my students are working on their projects right now and call me only when they need help. rich-c: good, then maybe you can stay longer on Saturday Pamela: Do they admit they need help, Willie? Guy B.: I'm going to try to upload the webpages again. My ISP didn't give me much help. WB: Yes they admit they need help. rich-c: anyway, let me tell you about my Internet problem Pamela: Go ahead, Dad rich-c: about a week ago I hit the bookmark for a site I'd not been on since last fall Guy B.: So what happened? Pamela: and? rich-c: I was using Opera, by the way. Got a hit but nothing but a totally blank screen WB: yes? Guy B.: Did you try another web browser? Pamela: Did you try it using IE? rich-c: Eventually went and surfed elsewhere, though when I cleared history did get a flash about a 301 error Pamela: (Great minds, Guy!) Guy B.: Thanks Pam rich-c: next day I went back and used the same bookmark from IE Pamela: And did it work? rich-c: got a hit - but it wasn't a webpage remotely similar to my bookmark Guy B.: So what did you get then? WB: What was it? rich-c: in fact it had a portal look but immediately put me in a web taxi - endless popups, one after another Pamela: Looks like someone's taken over the address - lovely WB: Sounds like a porn site Guy B.: Boy, do I hate those. Pamela: Did you try typing the web address instead of using the bookmark? rich-c: did manage to back out by hitting home page (back didn't respond) Guy B.: I hit one for a gaming site and about 5 or 6 of them popped faster than I could close them. rich-c: anyway, cleared history and temporary internet files and stuff and thought no more of it Pamela: Russell hit one of those once - had a major problem getting rid of the cookies etc afterwards rich-c: except when Frances used IE next day, the taskbar jumped to the right of the screen on her rich-c: sorted that out, but on the next use IE opened with the button bar missing rich-c: restored that, but on the next use my home page had been changed WB: Changed to what? rich-c: microsoft redirect to msn.home Pamela: what was the bookmark for, Dad? rich-c: I use my own ISP as my home page Guy B.: Same here. Pamela: Ditto. rich-c: anyway, it seems they planted a Java bean on me Guy B.: A Java bean? Pamela: A what?? rich-c: I think I may have got rid of things now rich-c: Wille, can you explain it, or shall I? WB: a small java program that can excute under a java VM Pamela: Is it like a virus? rich-c: and can sneak past an anti-virus, Zone Alarm and most other defences Guy B.: It's bad enough that this Naked Wife virus is going around and fortunately we didn't get a work. This is the first I heard of a Jave bean. WB: the program can be made to give orders to a web browser basically sending you wherever the programmer wants you to go. Guy B.: A Java bean. This must be new. Pamela: Oooh. Nasty. rich-c: seems the website I wanted has been usurped by a highly malevolent booby-trap WB: That is how they open multiple windows to different sites in your web browser Guy B.: Ah, is there a way to stop it? WB: Java beans have been aound since Java rich-c: right - they even managed to open a second copy of IE on me - and Microsoft says that's impossible Pamela: this is starting to sound like a bad batch of coffee rich-c: I am told that Dr. Solomon's anti-virus will intercept any irregular OS calls before any damage can be done Guy B.: A real bad batch of Java programming. WB: Basically they are not bad. Porn sites use them to keep the user looking and accessing different sites. rich-c: well, if it can get through Virus Scan, Zone Alarm, IE's security net and a few other things, it is BAD MEDICINE WB: Hoping that someting will spark your interest. Pamela: Like I said, nasty rich-c: and if it can tamper with my screen and even open a second copy of a program, that really shakes me WB: a java bean is not a viurs therefore most scanners cannot find it. Pamela: what was the website, Dad? rich-c: right - I gather that's why Dr. Solomon's works, it looks for different things in different places rich-c: DONT TRY IT - but the website should have been ultimatef!.com WB: Java beans are used all over the net for different activities Pamela: okay. rich-c: the web address that came up was webhideout.net, I think rich-c: Willie, I know; the nasty part is that if you disable Java you miss all the good stuff rich-c: in fact without Java we have no chat here WB: Exactly!
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changed username to james james: morning :) rich-c: One of my buddies says if you hit a web taxi, give it teh three-finger salute; it's the least damaging and risky way out Guy B.: Hi James Pamela: Good morning, James - want my cold? I'm trying to find a taker - I don't want it any more rich-c: hey james, good mornj9ng to you WB: Java Beans can hook into different structures like netscape's live connect WB: Hello James james: you can keep your cold pam :) james: hi wb :) james: how's it going guy? Guy B.: James, were talking about Java beans. Seems Rich ran into one. Pamela: real cheap! Ya sure? james: pam - very :) i don't have time to get sick ;) Pamela: Darn. james: yeah, i read the e-mail. rich-c: anyway, Willie, if you want to share my experience with your students, feel free Pamela: I will also share it at work so IT knows about it rich-c: yes, and it seems you may have lucked into the right defence against it, Pam Pamela: Oh? You mean Doc Solomon? rich-c: you got it Pamela: Actually, you got it, but I do thank you rich-c: might even go out and buy myself a copy, if I can find it WB: Java Beans can be good or bad depending on what they are used for james: sort of like marijuana rich-c: yes, in fact the good ones really enrich the net experience Guy B.: Still luck on uploading my webpages. Seems I still can't connect. Should I try another FTP program? Pamela: I will keep an eye out for another copy when I'm out and about for you Guy B.: That's no luck on the uploading the webpages. WB: You can create who;e programs to be contained in a Java Bean and use it to bridge the gap between to incompatible applications rich-c: it's OK, I want to check the Network Associates website first james: guy, you might want to try wsftp Guy B.: How good is that? WB: Most Java beans are beneficial
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changed username to Ron rich-c: hello Ron Guy B.: Hi Ron Ron: Hi guys james: still shakin' ron? Ron: Just here briefly to say Pamela: Good evening, Ron - any more shakin' going on? Guy B.: Ok, I'll check it out. Ron: that tonight I have to go out, and will be unable to participate Ron: regrets WB: Hello Ron Pamela: Have to? Ron: nope, no more shakin... all's quiet, but we're going to die of thirst james: if you go to download.com and key in wsftp it should return about 12 sites where you can dl it. Guy B.: So you will be here for say 5 minutes. rich-c: well, maybe you can make it Saturday, ron Ron: no snow on the mountains to give us water Ron: no, Guy, not even that Pamela: Want some of ours? james: yeah, like bc of all places would ever have a *shortage* of water Pamela: We have spare. Guy B.: Ok, I'll go there now. Be right back. Ron: hey! right ... yes I heard, anyway all, sorry to cut and run Pamela: Do come back when youcan stay some time, okay? james: slam bam thank you mam ron mitchell is leaving! Ron: right? sorry about that Pamela: I feel so used
Ron left chat session rich-c: see you Saturday? james: take it easy ron :) Pamela: I don't think he saw that, Dad WB: Ron has left the building! rich-c: no, he was gone as I hit return Pamela: 30 second Ron - interesting rich-c: oh well, I be sending out a mailing list reminder anyway Pamela: Two days a week - I'll never get anything done Pamela: Guess I 'll have to start taking my naps earlier. rich-c: don't know what I'll do when the football season kicks in rich-c: or if racing extends back into Saturday james: unfortunately saturday at 3 pm. est works out to sunday mornings at 4 a.m. for me so i can't make it. Pamela: I can see where that would be a bit awkward, James rich-c: yes, we'd figured that out - it is a little unreasonable for a workin' man Pamela: Once football season kicks in, you'll have to employ some good old fashioned technology and tape stuff rich-c: yes, though I still have a couple of tapes from last fall to watch Pamela: And I thought I was behind rich-c: seems I spend my spare time these days shovelling snow james: so are you the one to blame for sending all this snow my way rich? :D Pamela: Imagine that. Shovelling. You'd think it had been snowing around here or something rich-c: yeah - enjoy your walk to work, daughter? Pamela: I hear we broke a record for most days in a row with snow on the ground - the old one was 92 james: i think toronto has been running a snow deficit for awhile though ;) payback time :D you'll get no sympathy from an ottawan. Guy B.: Ok, I'm downloading ws_ftp Le right now. rich-c: yes, I think today I was scraping on a layer laid down early in December Pamela: Remember, Dad, I drive to the subway, walk 100 yards to the entrance, take the subway, and walk another 100 yards to the office rich-c: you hope to drive to the subway. sometimes JP has other ideas Pamela: We haven't dug out from '98 yet - what snow deficit? james: hey has anyone else noticed that "chairman of the U.S. Coalition For Fair Lumber Imports" last name is Wood? ;) Pamela: I haven't left the car at home yet this year, Dad rich-c: no, but somehow it figures Pamela: I'm finally learning to drive in this mess james: winter driving is so much fun. rich-c: yes, if it weren't for all the other drivers who haven't learned yet Pamela: Well, I don't know if I 'd call it fun, but it's definitely a learning experience Pamela: Where did you get that tidbit, James? rich-c: yes, you do summer practice in the Dodgem rink Pamela: Exactly, Dad. You see, that Wonderland Season's Pass is good for something after all james: the one about the guy's last name being Wood? i'm reading globe and mail right now. they just happened to mention his name rich-c: you been reading the Canadian papers online, James? james: yeah, i try to keep up every now and again :) Pamela: Gotta get back in the swing of things, James - you'll be here in three weeks or so rich-c: the Globe has decided to deliver us a daily freebie for the next month or so rich-c: man, are we inundated with two big thick papers a day Pamela: Misplaced the couch again, huh? rich-c: you should see some good stuff, james - there's a big circulation war among the Toronto dailies at the moment WB: I am sorry ladies and gentlemen. Time for me to go home. By the time I get there you'll will be gone. Take care. See you Saturday and may God bless Pamela: Yeah, most people simply pick up the weekday freebies instead of spending five bucks a week on the real thing rich-c: National Post is offering free movie tickets and a draw for unlimited season pass for two for a year
WB left chat session Pamela: Good night, Willie - nice to hear from you - oops - he's gone james: well, i doubt i'd have time to read more than a few articles. rich-c: look for you Willie, it's been a while Guy B.: Bye Willie Pamela: And a years worth of birdcage lining. rich-c: I must admit to doing a lot of skimming, but there's too much good content to ignore Guy B.: Ron sure left pretty fast. Pamela: I think James said it best. rich-c: well, it was graceful for him to come on at all, even if only long enough to say hello Pamela: Trouble is when I try to do that, I get hooked and end up staying for two hours. rich-c: funny you should say.... Pamela: Imagine. james: oh yeah - a friend of mine is coming over and he's going to get this e-commerce stuff going with me. Pamela: I have given up watching TV on Wednesdays and any pretense at a social life. rich-c: you mean your new internet connection? how's that progressing? james: we may hold of on the connectivity for a bit and do just web development. we can do all that on our local servers without being james: connected. i'm still going to pursue getting people interested though. rich-c: well, if there are many users in range and you can beat NTTs prices, you should do well Guy B.: Got it downloaded. Now I've assembled my new Athlon and I'll be firing it up for the first time this weekend. rich-c: OK Guy. I you see blue smoke, pull the plug james: yeah. the problem here is mostly one of demographics. Pamela: Bet you'll be glad for the speed, Guy Pamela: If you see drool on the screen, that's just me. Guy B.: Why would I get blue smoke? It will be an 850. rich-c: don't know what they're like in your prefecture, james, though I gather it's suburban to exurban rich-c: they give off grey smkoe? Pamela: That's awful, dad Guy B.: It's already burned in. All I have to do is setup the CMOS, install Windows 95 and the drivers. james: it's down right non-urban. one in 2 people is a farmer over 50 or so it seems. rich-c: those are not the prime demographics for a startup ISP rich-c: I dunno, when I play in the guts of a computer I always expect blue smoke rich-c: and am always mildly astonished when I don't end up getting it Pamela: I think it's time I packed it in, folks. My meds just kicked in and I'm starting to fade. Guy B.: The only thing I'll probably change is the fan. It was using a 3 pin socket until my dual heat sink fan took both 3 prong plugs. There is a bigger fan to keep it cooler, but I'll have to change it for a 4 pin plug from the power supply. rich-c: OK Pam, see you Saturday then? james: no not really but i'm going to focus on businesses. even 1% of 8000 people is 80 so there's a chance i could get a large Guy B.: Ok Pam, see you next week or Saturday if you make it there. james: enough customer base Pamela: Possibly. Good nite, all. Good luck with the new system Guy, we'll be watching for the explosion. rich-c: Nite Pam Guy B.: I didn't have one with the P133, so I won't with the Athlon. rich-c: you're dealing with a computer, Guy. Expect the unexpected Pamela: I'm gone.
Pamela left chat session Guy B.: Bye PAM Guy B.: The only thing I' Guy B.: The only thing I'll expect is software trouble. That's why I'm keeping the P133 as a backup. rich-c: never mind Guy, I'm just jealous james: hardware problems are actually not all that common. it's almost always software, and usually windows. Guy B.: You always like to give me a hard time. That's what keeps you going. rich-c: I'm pretty ripe for an upgrade but can't make up my mind on what's appropriate rich-c: you're onto me! rich-c: seriously, Guy, the only folks we tease are our good friends Guy B.: The only hardware item I had to get and I had it was a floppy cable. I'm hooking a 5 1/4 drive as well as a 3 1/2. The cable that came with the system had two plugs for two 3 1/2 inch drives. rich-c: ah yes, remember when 3.5" drives came with adappters to 5.25" drive plugs? Guy B.: I know, now your lucky if you can find one. rich-c: I went after one a couple of months ago. I found a shop with two. rich-c: couldn't get the owner to pay me to haul them away, though, Just got them free. Guy B.: When I strip the 386. I'm keeping all the cables that are with that computer. james: did anyone take don bueltman's adam stuff? i was quite frankly, a little annoyed after he listed it for sale to the group rich-c: hell, keep teh whole computer, it's good for something rich-c: after all if the new stuff conks out, you can still get on the net weith a 386 james: twice no less, and i offered both times to take it and cover shipping. he then posts a third message asking people to come pick it up. rich-c: I work on the theory that if Win95 crashes, I still have the Win3.1 partition to keep me going rich-c: as you know, james, packing an Adam for shipping is not a fun job james: yes, and that's fine. he could have said that at the outset instead of offering it to me twice. rich-c: I think Don overwestimates the local interest in Adams Guy B.: I've found from New Deal that I can run Geoworks Ensemble on a Pentium. They gave me the instructions on how to change the Geos.Ini file to make it run on a faster computer. They took over the rights to Geoworks. The website is newdealinc.com rich-c: what is Geoworks? james: i think he may have trouble getting someone to pick it up. if i were him, i'd sell it on e-bay. Guy B.: Geoworks Ensemble is like Windows except that it runs under Dos. rich-c: I don't think he wants to bother. I think he's getting lazy rich-c: so does Windows, Guy. It's just less apparent in 95 than in 3.1 rich-c: or are you saying that it's a sort of Windows replacement interface? james: anyways, i should go eat lunch. have a student coming this afternoon :) cheers all! Guy B.: Geoworks has their own suite of programs. A word processor, spreadsheet, database, a text editor, drawing program. Guy B.: Bye James! rich-c: bye now, james james: take it easy :) less than three weeks now until our visit :D rich-c: well, Windows doesn't have a spreadsheet rich-c: we are waiting with batede breath, james james: looking forward to meeting you! hopefully will be on again next week. Guy B.: Well, Geoworks Ensemble is different from Windows. rich-c: see you then, james james: *poof*
james left chat session rich-c: is that something that started life as a descendant of the old Commodore GEOS system? rich-c: Or is it more like the PC Tools package? Guy B.: Sorry, I'm hearing some sort of popping next store and it's scaring the dog. Guy B.: Next door that is. rich-c: wondering whre you had got ot rich-c: long as the bullets don't come through the wall Guy B.: I don't know, but it seems when I have the stereo on is when it starts. I'm also ready to call the police. rich-c: maybe they don't like your stereo and that's their way of letting you know Guy B.: Well, I'll turn it down. rich-c: perhaps you should consider earphones Guy B.: I can't with the implant. rich-c: that's what Frances or i use often with the stereo or tv rich-c: no earphone or such that will work with those? rich-c: usually here one of us wants to read when teh other wants to listen to music or watch tv rich-c: so earphones help us avoid family friction Guy B.: I do have an audio input selector and that will work with Walkmans or a portable CD player. rich-c: usually the input from them is teh same as from a tv or boombox earphone jack rich-c: of course you would lose most of the stereo effect Guy B.: That's true. But, I maybe looking for a new place later on this year or next. rich-c: Better neighbours, more convenience. or just general principle? Guy B.: Well, in part need more room altogether. rich-c: problem is, many landlords don't like pets and won't allow them Guy B.: There are some that do allow them and with an extra deposit for them. That's what I've done with this place. rich-c: I guess a house is not in your future plans rich-c: you're off, Guy
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changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Got knocked off. Can't consider a house at this time. rich-c: Know what you mean. Ptrices are atrocious rich-c: Our house would now sell for 15 times what we paid for it in 1965 Guy B.: Even though interest rates are dropping, I need to save more and I still have one credit card left to pay off and then I save up for a condo. rich-c: It takes a while. We rented for 12 years before buying rich-c: Mind you, when we did we had over a 50% down payment rich-c: but that was with the two of us working and really saving seriously Guy B.: That's a pretty long time. Wow, the most you need is 20% rich-c: here you can actually do it for as little as 10% but the mortgage is a killer Guy B.: Then you have to buy the PIM. rich-c: PIM? Guy B.: Rich, I'm going to get off and call the police. I'll try to see you this Saturday, rich-c: OK, good luck,see you then
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