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changed username to Guy B. rich-c: hi Guy Guy B.: HI Rich rich-c: I was wondering if anyone would turn up Guy B.: Were the only two here so far. rich-c: yes, I,ve been on since 9 rich-c: don't know what's with the rest of them rich-c: how is the website going? Guy B.: They'll come eventually. Hope Bob will be there. rich-c: yes, you've been dealing with him on a Pentium Guy B.: In fact, he say's that they are ready. But, there's a deal involved if I can find some monitors for him. rich-c: good used monitors are not that easy to come by. Dubious ones - well, they're dime a dozen
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changed username to Pamela rich-c: hello daughter Pamela: 3..2..1.. and we're live! rich-c: have a solution for you on that CD you wanted Guy B.: His Computer Renaissance store closed by him and I have one near me. And Jeanene mentioned she knows of a place for some. So, I have to check this out. Guy B.: Hi Pam Pamela: Good evening, all Pamela: re: the CD - me or Guy? rich-c: gather Computer REnaissance is your local secondhand shop rich-c: you, Pam Pamela: What CD? I'm blank rich-c: the one you phoned me about - I found a backup copy Guy B.: It is. If I can get some monitors for him, he will knock $25 off each computer he has for us. rich-c: you wanted to borrow it for Lindsay I think Pamela: Ohhhh, that one. Sorry, took me a minute. Great news. rich-c: I assume, Guy, that depends on the price of the monitors rich-c: also have the latest We Compute and Computer Paper for you, Pam Pamela: Lord, Pop, I'm still reading the last bunch - more?? Guy B.: That could range anywhere from $10 to $25 each. And I'm going to give him one of mine and get a new one for the Athlon. rich-c: anyway, I can spare teh CD for a few days if necessary rich-c: you can find working monitors for $15? Even 14" SVGA? Pamela: Lindsay is somewhat housebound at the moment due to a pinched nerve, so maybe now would be a good time to borrow it rich-c: OK, just set a time, Pam, and we'll arrange things Guy B.: That's what he needs 14" and to be sure that they work, I'll bring my notebook to test them out.
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changed username to james rich-c: or are you talking about monochrome monitors, Guy? james: morning :) Guy B.: Hi James. How's the weather in Japan?
moved to room Meeting Place Guy B.: Color ones. rich-c: morning James, how goes it? Pamela: Bev is going to be out of the office on audit next week and so I am working late tomorrow and Friday - I will let you know what happens james: very, very nice. it's been 18 and sunny for the last 4 days :D Pamela: Good Morning, James. james: morning pam :) james: hi rich Guy B.: So spring has arrived there. rich-c: well, we have been up to about 6 and sunny last couple of days james: oh yes. you'd never believe that a week and a half ago that we had 60cm of snow dumped on us. Pamela: Colour me green with envy. We're supposed to get snow over the next couple days. rich-c: now it's dicey if we'll have any snow to show you when you arrive
changed username to BobS james: you can have it. i doubt we'll see snow here now until late december. BobS: HOWDY Pamela: Hi, Bob Guy B.: We had a 3 inches of snow here in Chicago last weekend and now that's pretty well melted. rich-c: well bout time you got here, Slopsema Guy B.: Hey Bob Pamela: Guy, every time you get snow, you send it our way. Think you could stop that now? james: has it really been a week since we last talked? Guy B.: We hit 50 degrees here, you're next then. Pamela: Yowza. rich-c: we'll take it Pamela: Bring it on. BobS: hallo...... BobS: we will DIvert it this weekend OK???? rich-c: think Guy wants to talk to you about Pentiums, Bob BobS: prolly Pamela: James, still no final figures? I haven't gotten that email from you yet BobS: trip CANCELLED Guy B.: After getting hit with a case of diarrhea yesterday and today. I'm finally on the mend. Bob, I will definately check for those monitors tomorrow. BobS: ONLY kiddin!!!!!! BobS: hookay! Pamela: Don't scare me like that! rich-c: don't - james may be having second thoughts! BobS: guess EVERYbody is sick these days Pamela: James? Where'd you go? james: sorry pam - yeah, it's been one hell of a busy week here. i'm working on it as we chat :) rich-c: yes, Michael was complaining today - he had a nasty dose BobS: ah that's better! increased font size so's the ol' eyes could see stuff rich-c: had to go to the hospital for rehydration Guy B.: Bob, any good hotels around the area and any that will accept pets? Were are thinking of bringing Abby, my dog. Pamela: Russell wasn't lucky enough to pass my cold on - he's still got it. Playing hell with my love life. Guy B.: I did a site on hotels that accept pets. There's a motel 6 in Grand Rapids. Pamela: Guy, try Ramadas too. Most accept pets. rich-c: just verify it with them directly, Guy, if you haven't already james: my wife's allergies are really bad this year. rich-c: who knows, sometimes they give a better rate for early bookings too Guy B.: Ok, I'll check them too. Pamela: Oh, to have to worry about allergies already. Pamela: What is she allergic to, James? james: guess i shouldn't tell you that i got a mosquito bite already. rich-c: we are not into teh allergy season yet BobS: Motel 6 is right in the neighborhood james: just about everything 10 microns in size. Pamela: now, how did I spell that again . . oh yeah, PTBBHT! BobS: should be on 28th stree SouthEast.....about 3500 block james: i can't believe that we've less than a week to go before we leave. Pamela: How's the packing going? rich-c: even less with teh time difference Pamela: Very funny, dad BobS: then you better get cracking with the reservation James!!!! james: packing won't take me long. i'm bringing one small carry-on duffel bag. 'tis it. rich-c: depending on your departure time, you'll be flying back into yesterday
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changed username to Ron rich-c: hello there Ron james: actually, we do. we leave osaka airport on march 28th at 6 pm and arrive in vancouver on the morning of march 28th at 10 am Ron: hey! Guy B.: Hi Ron Pamela: Hi, Ron james: speaking of the west cost. hi ron :) BobS: RONALD !!!!! as me lives and breathes also........ Ron: and here I be Pamela: Neat trick. Ron: large as life, twice as ugly Ron: so? Pamela: there's that ego again rich-c: you going to be meeting james in Vancouver, ron? Ron: has the plan changed? rich-c: didn't know there was a plan Ron: Last I heard, James wasn't gonna be in YVR Pamela: me either james: nope. we'll be stuck in vancouver airport from about 10 am until 2 pm Ron: date? james: it's a 4 hour layover. long enough to be a serious pain in the ass and too short to go very far. rich-c: well hey, that's four hours to be usefully employed Pamela: You'll fill the whole terminal - it's not very big james: wednesday, march 28th. Ron: a week today....hmmm.... Pamela: Guess you're gonna miss the chat next week, huh? rich-c: don't forget to bring the ten bucks each for teh airport improvement tax BobS: heck no......james willlog on from ottawa!!!! BobS: that IS the next stop afte Vancouver isn't it? Pamela: Um, I'm freezing - brb - I'm gonna get a sweater rich-c: he'll make the Sunday chat, Pam, just a little late :-) Ron: Not if you're passing thru, you don't have to pay it BobS: SUNDAY?????? Ron: you only pay if you're getting on or off at YVR BobS: thoght it was Saturday and I forgot again...... Guy B.: You mean Saturday. james: next stop after vancouver is montreal :) Ron: Unfortunately James, I'm not going to be able to be there. rich-c: sorry, yes. it's that james will be in Toronto Sunday james: it's warm today. i have all the windows open :) it's always windy here so i want to get a wind generator Ron: Just before you land, (about 15 minutes) throw something out the window. It'll probably land in my Ron: back yard Ron: that's correct James. The big bad airport authority will waive you thru rich-c: Ron is likely the best authority on that so I guess he's right Pamela: That's better. Much warmer. Ron: been there, paid that james: well, it would have been nice to meet you but i understand that it's a bit of a commute. perhaps if we were to be there longer sometime. rich-c: does that apply even if he's changing airlines? Ron: If my flight originates in Comox, and ends somewhere other than Vancouver, I get away with it james: same airline. Ron: but if I overnight with Jeff then go to Vancouver Airport for wherever I'm going, I pay rich-c: Air Canada all the way? james: yup james: okay pam - our group is 17 people Pamela: I don't even want to think about the airfare rich-c: wave as you fly over Toronto. We're just southeast of teh "spaghetti bowl" Ron: no problem changing airlines Rich. rich-c: that's the middle of teh three big 401 junctions james: wow, they're open pretty late too. Pamela: James, does that include the Toronto people or just the Japanese contingent? james: osf that is james: that's just our group. so it depends on how many of you are joining us in toronto. friend of mine might be able to meet up with us james: i was thinking of telling them 20 +/- 2 people rich-c: give tehm a range and tehy won't fuss Pamela: I need those numbers before I can reserve rich-c: what time are you reserving for? Pamela: I believe it was 8:30 james: okay, we are: 12 kids aged 11-14 and 5 adults for a total of 17 people. 8:30 sounds good. Ron: Take some pictures, eh? james: bringing *lots* of film on this trip Ron: good Pamela: Okay, everyone stop typing for a minute while I write that down rich-c: yes, since that's time change day our stomachs will think it's 7.30 james: i'd bring my digital camera but quite frankly, it's too expensive to lose and the battery is always going. rich-c: they don't last very long, do they? james: our stomachs will likely still be over the pacific somewhere anyways. mind you, at 13, that doesn't make a big difference. Ron: reminds me of Bart Lynch who sent his camcorder swimming rich-c: yeah, at that age they are always empty james: takes great pictures and if you have a 16 or 32 mb card, it can hold alot but the damn battery is a serious pain in the ass james: my wife's camera is on the fritz, so i'll likely buy a cheap 35mm. i have a scanner so i'll be making a nice set of web pages Pamela: What did the camcorder do, the butterfly? rich-c: if I remember, maybe I'll haul along my 1960 Pentax james: once i'm de-jet-lagged james: test Pamela: You're here, James rich-c: you're still on, james james: ths james: thanks, that is. Ron: Any chance you'll see your parents James? james: pam, how many of you do you think will be joining us? you and your daddy? Pamela: Damn camera is older than I am. james: yeah, the kids are doing a one night, one day homestay during which time i'll be visiting my parents. not james: much time but better than nothing Ron: certainly Pamela: Myself, Dad, Dale, Jillian and possibly my mom rich-c: likely Pam early joining you up the Tower, me later, Frances - we'll see james: yeah, i'll be going up the tower and bringing a second pair of undies with me james: kids should get a good laugh out of me Pamela: If worse comes to worst, we can blindfold you to bring you down rich-c: what are you going to do if it's socked in and you can't see anything? james: well, if it's overcast, there's nothing saying we *have* to go up. still, i'm sure they'll want to. james: but if not, they'll be just as happy to go shopping at the eaton ctre or play the simulation games downstairs in the tower Pamela: The elevator trip itself is an experience not to be missed, and we have to get them on the glass floor rich-c: I dunno - I believe they have a video arcade at the base, or something james: yup. checked it all out. open until 8
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changed username to Ron's Alter Ego james: oh yes. i've spent about 100 hours organizing and putting this trip together rich-c: hey look who's here - Ron's Evil Twin Ron's Alter Ego: bear with me folks james: the anti-ron Guy B.: Seems we have a double. Ron's Alter Ego: wanna see how independent these connections are Pamela: the Mirror universe Ron Ron: right Ron: Schizoid rich-c: you networked on the cable, Ron? Ron: ya rich-c: that's supposed to be one of the advantages, you can have two computers on teh same connection Ron: seems so Pamela: Dad, you keyboard needs typing lessons again james: be right back. washing machine is calling me to do another load. Pamela: Ron, does that slow it down at all? rich-c: if not, Shaw is diddling you (so what else is new?)
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changed username to Ron's iMac Ron's iMac: number 3 rich-c: hey, now we've got another Ron Pamela: And then there were three Ron: Artificially inflating the chat attendance rich-c: type on one with each hand, Ron Ron: yeah right.... I only have a single channel Ron's Alter Ego: mind Pamela: Just like playing the piano rich-c: so who says it has to make sense? Ron's iMac: indeed BobS: you just gotta show off, don't ya Ronald????? Ron: I know... enough of this Ron's Alter Ego: Could do a 4th, but I've proved my point I think rich-c: yeah, rubbing us 33.6K types noses in it Pamela: That would be showing off Ron: ok... will the real Ron please disappear
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(A dog howls in the distance) Ron: modern tech
(The lights sudddenly go out) rich-c: and what happened? Guy B.: Ok, I'll make the formal annoucement on the list later. My website is now up. The address is http:\\members.core.com\~bonag\Index.htm BobS: but alas......I neede tot douwload virtual machine @ 4.9 megs........forever w/ 9600 baud Ron: Think maybe not
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changed username to Ron Guy B.: Welcom back, Ron rich-c: it's OK, he's back Ron: That's what I get for fooling around BobS: VERRRY fine job there Guy!!!! rich-c: oh, I thought it was just @Home up to their usual tricks Ron: been wondering about that. Now I know BobS: just checked it out! Guy B.: Thank you. The first page, the Index was started with Microsoft Word 97, the rest were done with Netscape Composer. rich-c: congratulations on getting Netscape to work Ron: What's the URL Guy, I missed that Guy B.: http:\\members.core.com\~bonag\Index.htm BobS: richard......no, I have win95 on it......when i got to this site, it said I had to download virtual machine to view the site....... Pamela: no www.? BobS: I just do what I am told..... ;-) rich-c: maybe your copy of IE is too many editions back? james: okay, i'm back :) Ron: ok Pamela: Laundry - what a concept. Clean clothes too. So that's how it's done. Guy B.: James, in cased you missed my announcement. My website is up. It's http:\\members.core.com\~bonag\Index.htm rich-c: he's getting in practice - he'll have to do it in the hotel room every night Pamela: and here I thought that's what parents were for. BobS: IE 5.5 Ron: Guy, your forward slashes go the other way do they not? james: thanks guy - i'll check it out :) BobS: might not have loaded that part thou.......... rich-c: Odd - I have IE5.5 and never got such a message - didn't get it in Opera 5.02 either which I'm using tonight Guy B.: You're right. It should be other way. Thanks. BobS: NOPE, just ther with this url........ http://members.core.com\~bonag\Index.htm james: some browsers change them automatically Ron: Cool site rich-c: yes, james, they're finally realizing how dumb us users can be BobS: the 'puters we have are short of hd space, so ie 5.5 is custom and minimized james: pam - i'm the magic laundry fairy in this house :) actually we split, i wash and dry and my wife folds since i can't rich-c: right, and/or you may not have updated 95 itself Pamela: Why is it that men can't fold? Russell has the same problem - now he's perenially wrinkled. Ron: I was born wrinkled Ron: I fold, but I don't iron Guy B.: Well, that goes same for me as well. rich-c: I clicked Windows Update teh other night and it told me I needed 8 megs of new files BobS: FOLD????? what IS that????? just take from washer/dryer and put inm a pile and wear!!! Pamela: It must be genetic. I fold, but I don't iron if I can avoid it james: dunno. i just can't fold. too damn frustrating Ron: right on Bob Guy B.: I take Judy doesn't fold your stuff. BobS: whoa........you can update windows on the web????? Guy B.: Windows 98 on up has that feature. rich-c: yeah, just go to MS, they look at what you have and tell you what you need Ron: Yeah, I need to do it BobS: heck she irons my hankies!!! for crying out loud Pamela: The new Downy wrinkle releaser is wonderful stuff. Ron, you should try it rich-c: it's in Tools or About or something in IE BobS: AHSO!!!!!!!! Ron: iron.... hankies? oh! BobS: will have to try that Ron: Laundry around here has been known to sit in the washer for a week Ron: and the dryer for another week Ron: And it ain't always mine! james: our electric bill should go down alot now that we can dry outside. Pamela: Oh??? Whose is it? rich-c: do I hear a hint of heredity at work? Guy B.: Bob, what would be a good time to get you at home? Ron: mother and I are cut from the same swath Ron: we'd both rather be on the golf course Guy B.: We plan to leave early Saturday morning. Ron: Oh... speaking of Saturday Rich Ron: will be unable Ron: big OS 10 Rollout down at the local Mac store. I'm on the volunteer staff BobS: 5-6PM Pamela: I learned, but it was a painful process, one I still detest BobS: usually home for supper and not on the net yet...... rich-c: it's OK, Dave and I had quite a good chat by our lonesomes last Saturday BobS: RYMES yes???? Guy B.: Ok, we'll come by there then. Pamela: no, rhymes BobS: then what do you need a hotel for????? Guy B.: Overnight stay. BobS: should take ya about 3 1/2 to 4 hours james: i hate to eat and run, but i have some more stuff to do so i should get going. Guy B.: That's what I estimated too. rich-c: Guy may have a little less lead in his foot, Bob Guy B.: Ok, James, see you next week. Ron: James....have a good trip Pamela: Okay, James, will make that reservation and send you an e-mail with the confirmation number rich-c: and if we miss you, phone when you hit Toronto Guy B.: I have a cruise control on my car. rich-c: you got my email with the numbers? Guy B.: Have a good trip James. james: thanks pam! yes - meant to thank you for that when i came on today, rich Pamela: James, you still have mine too? james: thanks all. see some of you next week. see some of you in april! rich-c: OK, see you next chat I hope, if not in TO BobS: seeya james! Pamela: Dad, I need Dale's number to confirm with them james: sure thing. take care everyone! james: *poof*
james left chat session rich-c: OK Pam, give it to you later or when you come over for the CD Pamela: Actually, please send it to my work e-mail tonite so I can make the call tomorrow and reservations soonest after that rich-c: OK, remind me when you leave Pamela: Also, I need to know about Mom's attendance rich-c: you,ll want to call him on his cell phone - that's what Dale recommends rich-c: I'd say assume yes - she's wavering and I think will come Pamela: I can't imagine she would turn down dinner out rich-c: after all, promise her pizza... Ron: :) Pamela: ; )) rich-c: me too - I haven't had a good pizza feed yet this year and I'm overdue Pamela: Okay, anyone else coming along? Ron: You guys planning on hooking up with James? Pamela: Absolutely. Ron: wish I could be there rich-c: james did say something about maybe another firend but it was vague and we didn't follow up rich-c: just tell them 20 to two dozen and they won't fuss rich-c: just need to know roughly how much space to set aside Pamela: I think we're gonna end up with our own private dining room rich-c: if they have one Pamela: Pretty sure they do Ron: Gotta give James credit. Taking a group of youngsters across the world Pamela: Brave soul Ron: fer sure rich-c: choose one near teh bar so its easy to slip out for a smoke Pamela: I may not have a choice - hope for good weather, just in case rich-c: furtunately, he will have help; his wife, her parents, a friend from LA Ron: They do appreciate it though. Jeff still talks about his Grade 12 trip to Greece rich-c: yes, and travel is good for kids - right, Pam? Pamela: Miyuki isn't joining him till Saturday though - that means five days solo Pamela: I seem to recall something about a trip to San Francisco that went well Ron: oooohh rich-c: well, some of that will be on teh plane, and some in Ottawa where his folks are Pamela: After twenty five years, it's a little hazy rich-c: still, things may get a little fraught in Montreal, I suspect Ron: yeah Pamela: yup rich-c: I don't think he's got much free time scheduled until Sunday anyway Pamela: Well, I think I shall turn in and get some sleep for a change, it's been a rare commodity recently Ron: best to keep busy BobS: with that many kids, there IS no free time rich-c: going back to something warlier - Bob, can you folks actually get working SVGA monitors for $15? Ron: what have we got in EST....10:30 (about)? BobS: sleep tight Pam ...... and don'tlet the bugs get ya! Ron: nighters Pam rich-c: OK Pam, give us a call and let us know when to expect you Pamela: I banished them all to Russell's side of the bed, Bob BobS: no, but I could use some........ rich-c: night for now, Pam BobS: we are having a time finding them for $25 for eithe vga or svga Pamela: Ron, 10:25 approx right now and I'm outta here. Good nite to all, maybe see you Saturday Pamela: Bon soir! Ron: out here it's $C40.
Pamela left chat session rich-c: it wouldn't be much of a monitor here at $40, though they can be had I think Ron: nobody wants the 14 inch models any more, sometimes you can get 'em for free rich-c: most I've seen of late they should pay you to take them Ron: One of my local 2nd hand hand hangouts said he'd give me one if I wanted one BobS: wish we could get some for free Ron: but I don't want one Ron: wonder what they'd cost to ship across the land rich-c: David Tanaka in Computer Paper has a remark that suggests even a five year old monitor is at the end of its useful life Ron: Right at the moment I have 4 VGA's - all are at least 5 years old rich-c: here, the used shops throw them in with their $99 Pentium packages BobS: don't know. costs us about $15 US to ship one here from MI to Fl (approx)....UPS commercial rate and probalbly postal 3rd class insured Ron: prolly somewhere in there. rich-c: yes but when you ship across a border, costs escalet rich-c: escalate BobS: probably for that big a box....... Ron: wouldn't be worth it rich-c: yes, you might get into density issues too BobS: that's the problem Ron.....gotta get fro free not far to ship or local and pay some for them rich-c: unfortunately, a few boxes of monitors might be a little hard to smuggle in my truck Ron: yes rich-c: vans tend to be a little short of concealment space Ron: These days, anything below a Pentium 166 is being given away Ron: or thrown away rich-c: yes, teh break is at the MMX Guy B.: I'm still here. Ron: I just bought a Powerbook 180 Mac Laptop..... which is really the equivalent of a 386 or something like that...33 mhz rich-c: it really shows on the laptops = the gap from a 133 to 166MMX is about $300 minimum Ron: paid too much for it I think Ron: $400. Ron: but here it is Ron: one of my Mac buddies saw me coming rich-c: I would like an MMX laptop but the lowest price I've seen is $600 rich-c: and that's not at an outfit I'd be comfortasble dealing with Ron: Tell ya what I want.... what I really really want Ron: a new Titanium Mac Laptop Ron: $4100. BobS: YIKES!!!!!!! Ron: Well, Rich it depends on what you want to do with it. I'm looking for some minute taking capability, rich-c: naw - what you need is OS X ported to Wintel - then you could run it on any machine Ron: and a little bit of diary keeping etc... Ron: This beast will do for the moment rich-c: Frances wants something internet-capable we can take on trips Ron: yeah, I know Bob. Mac s were never cheap, and particularly not Mac laptops Ron: right. I may get this one to run Netscape 3.0 or something, and I already have external 33.6 modem Ron: plus a SCSI CD and SCSI Zip rich-c: we also need a screen big and bright enough old eyes can see it Ron: I dunno. Just have this feeling I was aiming a little too low rich-c: bout all you can do is try it and see if it works Ron: Actually, the Titanium boasts 15 inch viewable - and it's quite high quality rich-c: that's the equivalent of a 17" CRT Ron: Downloaded a DOS emulator for it with the idea of seeing if it would run the ADAM Emulator on top. Ron: NOT rich-c: Future Shop were selling off a Thinkpad for $1100 in January Ron: What gets me is the Titanium is only 1 inch thick Ron: sounds better rich-c: but it only had WinMZE and no OEM disc - just a "recovery disc" BobS: the whole laptop????? Ron: yup BobS: .....just the screen part........ Ron: nope, thats the whole thing carried under your arm rich-c: that Titanium is one going machine Ron: 5 hour battery Ron: 550 Mhz processor rich-c: calling Crusoe... BobS: good lord. that IS thin BobS: no wonder it costs so much...... Ron: Our local dealer had one over at the last Mac club meet Ron: we all drooled suitably rich-c: yes, I'll bet you-all had to swim out of the shop! Ron: :) Ron: Apple right at the moment has to do something right rich-c: well, how about a Blue Dalmatian iMac? Ron: they cannot match wintel's processor speed numbers, and even though that Ron: might be meaningless, perception is reality rich-c: my sense is that the Motorola chips are always equivalent of much faster Intels Ron: based on my experience with iMac, I would have to say I could not recommend it Ron: That's actually true Rich, from what I've read at least, but again... it's a matter of public perception rich-c: even got Dale to exoplain why one, and followed part of the explanation rich-c: Fran's Amiga 3000 seems much more powerful than a 386 Ron: In terms of performance - in my experience - there are no devils, and no angels rich-c: now Frances wants a 68040 accelerator card Ron: That's a Motorola chip eh? Ron: She would notice a difference rich-c: yes, the 68Ks are Motorola Ron: my LC475 is a 68040 (sort of) Ron: they call it 68LC040 rich-c: yes, one of the TPUG types has a 3000 with the accelerator board and it's visibly much faster Ron: with 32 Meg of RAM, it will handle the cable internet rich-c: sort of equivalent of teh Intel SLs, I'd guess Ron: yep Ron: But there are things I like about Mac software, and things I hate about it Ron: same on the other side of the house rich-c: I'm still waiting for my ISP to come up with ADSL Ron: like you don't get that stupid "The program has performed an illegal operation....." message..that's the Ron: good news. rich-c: one or two local independents are starting to offer it at $30 a month Ron: The bad news is that when it fails, it just stops working and freezes...no warning rich-c: sort of like Netscape Guy B.: I'm going to go. Bob, We'll see you around 5 or 6 Saturday then. Ron: nighters Guy rich-c: OK Guy, will we see you Saturday? BobS: say what?????? BobS: if you leave in the morning, you will be here by early afternoon rich-c: sorry - if he's in transit to you, Bob, he won't be on the net with us Ron: Are we winding down? rich-c: looks like it - night, Guy Guy B.: We should be there in the early afternoon. We can always find something to do there. Ron: must go see to my latest casualty rich-c: yeah, Grand Rapids is a swinging town Ron: HP Deskjet ... BobS: well ya might as well come on over!!!! call our house 949-9461 or probably will BobS: be over at Doug's house 281-9349 rich-c: another left on your doorstep, Ron? Ron: No... one I bought new.... failed.... I'm not yet sure why BobS: AS SOON AS YOU HIT GR I96 Guy B.: This will be Abby's first long trip. Got your numbers, thanks. rich-c: let the dealer find out - that's what his markup's for Ron: moral of the story is Don't buy anything new Ron: might just do that BobS: tell ya what.....you gonna be home tomorrow night????? BobS: I will call ya...give me your phone # Ron: but I've had it for a couple of years.... when I said new, I didn't exactly mean new rich-c: OK, I get it Guy B.: Yep, will be here. My number is 708-447-5636 or you can try Jeanene's 708-344-4127. rich-c: happy to say my Canon S400 is working fine, so far Ron: Fact that I printed out two 80 page PDF files back to back the other night Ron: might have something to do withit BobS: gt it!!!! BobS: got rich-c: I doubt it - it shouldn't - those things are made for some pretty heavy use Guy B.: In case we might be out getting the monitors. She has a cell phone. That's 708-908-1821 Ron: ink carts look ok BobS: talk to ya then Guy Ron: night Guy Guy B.: Ok, Bob. We'll see you all next week. Ron: bee gooood
Guy B. left chat session Ron: So now we're down to three BobS: right ON rich-c: what are the symptoms then, Ron? BobS: oh,oh Ron: when I send a doc to it , the green light blinks, (which is normal), but then it never starts printing Ron: it's as though the buffer is receiving data, but not sending it to print Ron: blinks on and on and on rich-c: wonder if you could have developed a software problem? Ron: computer waits, says it's printing, but that's it Ron: yeah, well that could be. And I have some HP Ron: diagnostic disks which I haven't yet had time to try....wanna do that tonight rich-c: and if that fails you can see if reinstalling teh driver brings any joy Ron: could be Ron: had thought of that too.... but until tonight...no roundtuits rich-c: and though I hate to suggest it - sometimes the manual has helpful hints Ron: And I do have one of those.... which I should read more closely Ron: So... we'll go and see Ron: Around here there's always something that doesn't work rich-c: I find they tens to put me to sleep - but then maybe the dreams are helpful Ron: my patience with manuals is....well.... (say no more) Ron: Bob you still there? rich-c: yes, they leve me speechless too, at least in polite company Ron: :) rich-c: Bob's probably off checking eBay or something Ron: Curious as to whether he and Doug are actually dealing in used computing devices, or do they have the same Ron: hobbyist affliction I do BobS: yup BobS: slow but here rich-c: oh, Bob's got a horse trader streak in him Ron: ok Ron: just wondered. Does it bring you any revenue BobS: selling 486 system for $95 bucks ....WITH crdom and sound $150 BobS: includes keyboard, montior and mice's Ron: With CD Rom.... ok now, that might go here Ron: I have a couple of those myself...what clock speed? BobS: only because we got the stuff for free Ron: aha BobS: had some 33mhz and 66mhz and now will start on the 120 mhz Ron: right. Ron: Somebody actually paid me $75 bucks last week to install a larger hard drive in their 486/33 Ron: less than an hour's work rich-c: for that money, you should have transferred teh data from the old disc too Ron: well actually I did ... some.. anyway BobS: they were hard up for a good amn, eh? BobS: man Ron: didn't use push pins BobS: NO WAY Ron: Only thing I didn't know was that the damn 486 could count any hier than 520 Megs rich-c: did you use Ghost, System Commander, or Partition Magic for teh transfer? BobS: could or couldn't......... Ron: Fortunately it was a Western Digital drive... so there was a download to fix that Ron: only saw 520 Meg of a 4.2 gig drive Ron: until this magic little program came on the scene BobS: or it takes another board to acess it so it can read the whole thing rich-c: that's a BIOS limitation that applied to all the older computers Ron: yup Ron: some have something called LBA mode Ron: some (as I discovered) do not BobS: wonder if they have a program for other hd's......we got some with 1 gig hd's that only recognize 500 also Ron: anyway.... it ended well, and I got paid rich-c: yes, when you use that fix it can cause other complications, though
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changed username to Dale rich-c: hey, we have a latecomer Ron: So far as I know, Bob it's only for Western Digital Drives, but I'll send you a couple of Dale: Hi all BobS: hey guys gotta split and head for the sack Ron: articles with other 'work arounds' if you like rich-c: hello Dale BobS: wonking man alnd all that ya know Ron: Hey Dale! BobS: working!!!!! Dale: I jsut thought I'd drop by and see how things went tonight. Ron: work? BobS: hi Dale!!!!! BobS: you are LATE Ron: we're still here rich-c: Pamela wants to confirnm you and Jill will be joining james et al Sunday April 1 at 8.30 Dale: I'll see ya Bob. Sorry I missed it all. Dale: I siad we would last week. BobS: yes Ron Dale: Isn't that good enough? rich-c: I know, but she's in a belt and suspenders mode. Ron: nothing to chance BobS: disgusting word, yes????? rich-c: She isn't used to dealing with people who say it and mean it Ron: absolutely Bob rich-c: are you going to join them early and go up the CN Tower or just meet at the restaurant? Dale: Well...what can I do. I'm planning my weekend around that time. BobS: see ya all next week!!! Dale: I'll be in Montreal in the morning. Ron: niters Bob...go straight home now. rich-c: take it easy, Bob. See you then Ron: No stopping at the bar getting drunk Dale: I'm planning to take the train back, getting in at around 5:30. rich-c: Since you'll have your cellphone with you, should james call say around 6 and tell you where he is? rich-c: that way you wouldn't have to go uptown then right down again rich-c: not that it's that much hassle on the subway Dale: I doubt that we'll join them before 8:30. My cell number is 416-451-2697. rich-c: yes, I guess you'll have to take your luggage home and freshen up anyway Dale: We'll want to drop our bags off probably. rich-c: I think Pam is joining early, but likely Frances and I will meet them at the restaurant Ron: sounds like this is going to be interesting rich-c: I certainly hope so - james sounds like an interesting character Ron: fer sure eh? Dale: Definately interesting. rich-c: well of course you know him from Ottawa, though he's matured a bit since Dale: Are you going to catch up with James in Vancouver? Ron: think he was 13 or 14 years old last time I saw him rich-c: I suspect, Dale, you two will find you have much in common Ron: No, unfortunately. Can't get away that day - Dale: It is quite possible. rich-c: be interesting to see his wife, I suspect Dale: Except I don't have 8 or so giggly followers. Ron: listen to me.... don't even sound retired rich-c: actually, 11. You can practice your Japanese Ron: Do you do a little Japanese Dale? rich-c: of course you sound retired, Ron. If you weren't you'd have time Ron: :) Ron: ok. Thank you Dale: I defiantely have to brush up on my Japanese. Ron: James' original plan called for a couple of days (or a day and a half) in Vancouver rich-c: should be a good opportunity. Don't know how much English Miyuki's parents have Dale: I meet Japanese people once in a while, but mostly business partners, and I don't do much experimenting there. Ron: and I was intending on going over. But then things changed rich-c: well, I suspect teh kids can be coaxed into being tolerant - though they may laugh a lot Dale: As expected. :-) Ron: Still thinking about MTAG newsletter input Dale. Sadly, that's as far as it has gone. rich-c: right - kids are that way, especially tweenie girls Ron: must produce something Ron: and also payment of dues past and present Dale: Hmm...must put together something soon. Ron: keep getting side tracked. No focus around here Ron: By the way guys, I now have a videocam. So my ugly mug can be broadcast to the world Dale: Well, I'll send you a microscope. maybe. then you can focus on some really concentrated ideas. Ron: ROTFL - good one Dale rich-c: yes, I keep thinking of buying one, but then get sidetracked rich-c: I suspect it's indecision - so many formats and features to sdort out Ron: another item I didn't need.... money tends to burn a hole in my pocket rich-c: buy some stuff from the States - that will eliminate it in a hurry Dale: Ron, that's great. We can finally put some AdamCon videos on the web then! Ron: So far I have used it to make a greeting to my sister in Edmonton... which got burned to CD and mailed Ron: hey... great idea Ron: right Rich Dale: I just got a video exiting program on the weekend, and I'm about to try editing a video with it. rich-c: but right now I have to get an email off to Pam, and do some other stuff Ron: This thing is USB, and it looks like somebody's eyeball on a stand rich-c: so I better pack it in for this evening Ron: ok Rich Dale: Remind Pam that I said yes already, please. Dale: (Jill and I are coming). rich-c: that's what the email's about, Dale. Will do Ron: It's fun Dale, and I don't think I've used any more than 10% of the software's capability Dale: Is it What kind is it Ron? Ron: Want to learn more about it rich-c: if you're not here Saturday or Wednesday, see you at the Old Spaghetti Factory, Dale Dale: TTYL Richard. Ron: it's a Zoom. (not familiar with the name) but it was low end price, ($140) and seems to produce a Ron: reasonably clear pic rich-c: OK, and night, Ron Ron: night Rich
rich-c left chat session Ron: I now have two video inputs for the iMac... one from TV/VCR and then this little cam Dale: Sounds like you have your own TV studio. Ron: So I've been playing about. Dale: Right there at ground zero. :-) Ron: Yeah... actually, the software presents a ' Ron: ' Ron: 'story board' sort of interface. You can take various input and combine it Ron: the result can be a Quicktime movie Ron: but there is a learning curve Dale: If you convert the movie to Real Video (I think that Real Producer Basic is a free downloadI can post them on my web site.
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changed username to <undefined> Dale: As with everything Ron. Ron: who that? Ron: yup Dale: But think of how much you've expanded your mind already. By all accounts it gets easier as time goes on. <undefined>: Dave Compson here, i am sorry, didnt think people would still be here. Ron: Hi Dave...welcome to Wednesday night <undefined>: i know i am late Dale: Welcome. Ron: Dale, Dave is in Las Vegas...usually comes Sat chat <undefined>: work is killing me, i am so sore, Ron: Rich just left <undefined>: yes this is dave from las vegas Dale: Nice to meet you. <undefined>: damm, thats too bad, i missed rich <undefined>: hi dale, its a pleasure to meet you finally Ron: Dale Wick is one of our senior ADAMites .... in Toronto Dale: Hey! I'm only 29. Ron: I know :) Dale: Just because all of the other members of my user group are retirement aged.... <undefined>: yes, i have read his work. I APPRECIATE the hard work you have done to keep the adam alive, and i am only 29 also Ron: but you been an ADAM owner since you were, what, 15? Dale: that's no reason to call me a senior ;-) ;-) Ron: ha Ron: I'm senior.... 56 <undefined>: hey, if you know your stuff, it dosent matter what age you are Dale: Since I was 14 I guess. Ron: too old to work, too young to be a senior <undefined>: at 56, i plan to be retired. I hope i have enough money to make that happen Ron: money? Ron: oh <undefined>: ron do you remimber the deal with mr. ballinger? Ron: refresh my memory <undefined>: its the guy that posed via the delphi list, alot of stuff his dad had in storage that he was selling? <undefined>: like 290 pounds of stuff? Ron: oh ok... yes Ron: which is now in your care right? <undefined>: well, it appears all the stuff is workable, , yes, it is all (except one package) here <undefined>: so much adam stuff, i have a hard time keeping track of what is out there in the garage Ron: You know, that's what amazes me about this stuff. Despite the fact it's been transported Ron: hither and yon, it's still operating Dale: It really is pretty rugged, when it comes right down to it. Ron: exactly <undefined>: its nice to have extras now. Well, some of the cpus are in need of repair, and some of the printers are giving me a little trouble <undefined>: but nothing i cant fix. Dale: Beryl Wilson was saying to me recently, we all bought spare parts be cause back in '87 they... Ron: The ADAM printer was always the weak link Dale: would dry up soon, but then the originals really rarely break. <undefined>: it really looks like the stuff has sat around in storage for a LONG time. I cleaned so much adam stuff up, its crazt <undefined>: crazy Ron: Dave, if you want to assign yourself a name here, go up to the "Edit" on the tool bar and the drop <undefined>: sorry, i am typing really bad tonight ... i have been drinking to take the edge off of me soreness.
<undefined> changed username to Dave C Ron: down menu will show "Change User Name" Dale: Perfect. Dave C: here it goes Ron: there ya go Ron: well... after a hard day Dave C: well, i am happy with the deal, so far. i am awaiting one more package. Although this is the one i really wanted first.... Ron: Must have been a fascinating shipment Dave C: the one with the cartridges, software, and books.. Dale: Ron, with a system totally loaded down with all the extras, the printer power supply would shudder in terror, but mostly they stay together okay. Dave C: every day was like christmas, lots to open and clean, organize, and test. Ron: had a couple of printer power supplies that creaked with the addition of the Minnie Winnie hard drive Ron: interface Dale: That is why in my Adam I switched to using a PC power supply. 62.5watts -> 200 watts made a big difference. Ron: take the card out they were fine. Put the card in, they started showing strange colourings on the screen Ron: yup Dale: That is a common problem, Ron. Dave C: you know, there is a way to use a pc power supply to power a full size arcade machine? Like pac man? Ron: no two seemed to hand the problem alike. Dale: The video RAM is far from the source, and shows up weak wattage. Ron: so I understand Ron: really? Dale: Well, I actually transfered my Adam into a PC case. Dave C: yeah, the older power supplys tent to not age well, most of the voltages fall into the range of + or - 12 volts. Ron: Dave, you need to see Dale's ADAM. It doesn't even look like an ADAM, but he's had it Dave C: the transfered adam probably uses less power, and generates less heat Ron: since he was 14 .... give or take Dale: Ron, for some reason those VRAM chips are set up that way. Ron: it's in a PC case, and has travelled to most ADAMcon's Ron: I believe Dale: It has indeed. It didn't make it to AdamCon 001. Dave C: is that the adam i have seen in the adamcon pictures? It looked like a regular pc? Ron: that's the one Dave C: cool Dale: But after that I think I managed to get it to all the rest. Dave C: i have a disk drive question Ron: Battle scars has it numerous Ron: but work it still does Dave C: i am using a coleco drive, it works most of the time, Ron: 160 k Dave/ Ron: ? Dave C: rich told me to let it spin up for a little while prior to using it, Ron: yep Dale: I didn't realize that I was a programmer at AdamCon 01, and a programmer with out a computer at a convention about the computer is a bad thing. :-) Dave C: is it just age? Dale: I've never has an original Coleco drive. Dave C: or where they all like that? Ron: As far as I'm concerned Dale, anyone attending an ADAMcon without a computer is at a disadvantage Dale: I've heard that the capacitors in those drives are very heat sensitive. Ron: Some were, some weren't Dave. There were variations Dave C: maybe i should change the caps inside the drive? Ron: sometimes a cleaning kit helps Dave C: ill just add it to my list of things to do. Dale: Several people have at times reported in our newsletter that they need to let it cool after being on for more than half an hour. Dave C: I have cleaned the drive, prior to testing it. Dale: Or they have reported that they need a fan on it to keep it working reliably. Ron: yes, have heard of that Ron: sounds like my Minnie Winnie Dale: I don't know. I haven't heard of someone changing the cps, but it is an interresting thing to try. Ron: since the day it was installed, without a fan it was good for 15 minutes. With a fan, all night Dale: Tell us if it works. Dave C: well, guys, the wife is nagging me. I hate to cut this short, but i need to go. Dale: TTYL. Dale: I should go too Ron. Ron: good to see you drop in Dave. won't be there Saturday, Our local Mac merchant is holding a big Ron: OS10 Rollout...and I'm on the volunteer staff Dave C: i really dont know when i will have time to get to that, you all know its hard to get to projects when your family duties are there. Dale: Excitement. Is OS10 ready now? Ron: We'll see this weekend. Release is Sat Ron: I'm gonna buy. Ron: It'll be the first time ive ever bought an operating system on Day 1 Dale: Well, I suspect that we'll still be here in a few months Dave C: ok, talk to you later, thanks alot guys..sksk Ron: nite Dave
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