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changed username to BobS rich: hello Bob rich: how are things going in Grand Rapids? BobS: GREAT!!!!! BobS: we are all alone eh? rich: good - wondering for a minute if you were actually on rich: let's say you'e the second to arrive, after me BobS: that makes sense rich: guess Pamela has decided to watch West Wing then come on at 10 BobS: well I am watchin it and I am on rich: so while we're alone - how's the market for Adams? BobS: havern't tried any lately rich: ok, I have a few I could happily unload BobS: been trrying ibm shit BobS: and getting rid of 486's rich: I am sort of surprised tehy are moving at all, at any price BobS: WHEN I find the time, I need to try a few ADAM's again rich: I just got five working printers I could mate up with working consoles BobS: Coleco ADAM printers???? BobS: or ibm stuff???? rich: yes BobS: yes what????? rich: Adam BobS: swell BobS: is there not ANY market in Canada for trhem????? rich: they cost a ton to ship - but then your dollar buys over $1.50 worth of postage here BobS: try them on Ebay one at at time BobS: basically they sell for about $50-$60US plus shipping rich: problem with eBay is the listing cost if they don't sell
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changed username to scott BobS: well it costs about a US buck I think or alittle more scott: Hi guys. rich: hi Scott welcome aboard BobS: Scotty, me boy!!!!!!!! scott: Guess that makes it two weeks in a row. BobS: a wee bit of a lad, he.......... rich: yes, that's a real surprise scott: Bob, did you get the file I send you? rich: Dale said Sunday he was sorry to have missed you last week scott: Sunday? scott: Do we have chats also on Sunday? BobS: yea man....and it is one the ANN disk for Apr....IF Dr D ever gets me some more conventino inof rich: we went and had dinner with james and his Japanese giggle girls BobS: how did that go????? scott: Wow. James is there in Canada? rich: Frances, Pamela and I and Dale and Jillian all met with james and his crew scott: Wow... rich: had a quite satisfactory feed at teh Old Spaghetti Factory BobS: neat!!!! so you DID enjoy it...... rich: yes, Scott, james brought a bunch of his students on a one-week flying peek at Canada BobS: and the ol' ADAM came thru with contacts to set up James with some of his travels.... scott: I am jealous that I didn't get to meet he and his family. BobS: just think if he never would have found the ADAM community, he would have had to come to Canada blind rich: and a great time was has by all rich: oh, he was part of the Adam community before he even left Canada - used to belong to Ron's group scott: Bob, I'm starting to get some extra time now that my classes are winding down... BobS: meet hsi wife too???? or did she meet up with James later? BobS: but he jsut "refound" us lately rich: yes, his wife was with him, and a friend, and teh parents of a couple of teh kids scott: Since you're still doing the disks, perhaps I could find something to contribute. BobS: winding down for the year???? BobS: ok....... scott: Not for the year, but for the Spring semester. scott: Got plenty more in store for the rest of the year... BobS: giotta find some time and put this year's disk on my website and upload to Dale scott: Perhaps I could scrape something up from my old site... rich: looked into the University of Waterloo yet, Scott? BobS: time....... a thing which escapes all the good guys of society rich: amen' scott: No, and I meant to mention it in my e-mail with Dale. scott: Am VERY interested, though. BobS: I gotta QUIT workin for a living!!!!!!!! rich: from what he said, he'll definitely encourage you scott: Would be the ideal place. BobS: yup! scott: With Dale there, I could learn even more... BobS: AND!!!!! the US buck stretches furthwer in Canada also!!!!!!! rich: yes, it's even handier to Grand Rapids than Colorado is! BobS: yup! scott: Does the University of Waterloo offer Ph.D's? scott: What's the altitude out there? rich: at the moment, the US buck is worth $1.58 Canadian scott: A little better than here? BobS: lower than Denver rich: yes, Waterloo is a university, so it offers doctorates rich: and teh altitude is I think below 1000 fett - it's 730 ft in Toronto scott: Whatever happened when it was one to one Canadian/US dollars??? BobS: average snow of about 60-70" and temps around 10-15 degrees fahrenheit (with the usual ups and downs)....right Rich??? rich: that was before teh financial markets went nuts scott: We're what? 5300 ft. here??? rich: the US dollar is hugely overvalued relative to every currency in the world scott: Something I didn't know... BobS: probably scott: In order to be a University, the educational institution must offer Ph.D's in some shape or form??? rich: by the way, Bob, our crocuses are now up and blooming rich: my understanding is universities offer graduate degrees, colleges dont scott: Ok. scott: Forgive my ignorance... scott: I've only returned to school in under a year... BobS: NO FAIR!!!!! ours arre up but no stalks or buds to bloom yet scott: I was wondering what the difference was, now I feel like an idiot... rich: so Frances and I took our undergraduate degrees at University College within the University of Toronto, and our graduate degrees in Library Science at the University's School of Library Science BobS: dunt do dat, Scott scott: How expensive is Waterloo??? rich: haven't a clue - it isn't free like some State universities, but compared to say Harvard, reall cheap scott: I would assume, as all colleges/universities, out of state tuition is outrageous! rich: I believe it is higher for foreigners, yes, but not so high as to discoruage them rich: it is a policy at most universities to encourage a certain number of students from away
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changed username to Guy B. scott: Hello, Guy! Guy B.: Greetings!!! rich: I looked at some stuff about VB and it did seem to have a close relationship rich: hi Guy scott: Some of the code (albeit very little) is identical. rich: of course the have a website - the mailing list is on it, remember? BobS: hi guy!!!!!!!!!!!! BobS: ya sure Richard rich: I was thinking moe of the commands and syntax Guy B.: Hi Bob, Jeanene has told me she found some monitors. BobS: Robert forgot, I didn't!!!!! scott: Things such as repetition structures (For/Next loops), some of the functions (Len, Val, etc) are very similar BobS: oh yea???? rich: also, isn't Rexx somewhat similar BobS: where and howmuch and are they working god, and are they cheap????? BobS: good Guy B.: At a resale shop. For $15, I'll find out more. BobS: please do scott: Yeah -- it's a small amount, but it makes it a lot less painless for taking a VB class. Guy B.: Ok, will do. scott: It would be an excellent series of articles! rich: yes, even the tiniest reduction in your entry fund of ignorance is helpful, I've found Guy B.: In the meantime, I put in a soundboard and a CD-Rom drive in her computer and it worked flawlessly. scott: Teaching someone who has SmartBasic background how to program in VB, that is... Guy B.: Your learning VB Scott? scott: Yes Rich, and some of us have more than others, as you've seen... scott: Yes, Guy. I'm actually earning a certificate at the local college in VB. scott: I'm wrapping up Advanced VB right now. rich: we all start off with teh same supply, Scott, it's just that the attrition rate varies over time scott: Just one more program to go... BobS: COOL Guy B.: I'm assuming Version 6, right? I have version 4 and got a book on it. scott: Yes, Version 6. BobS: yo are getting to be quite a computer tech there Guy........ scott: Version 7's on the way, though. What is it called? Visual Basic Net? scott: Maybe a series of articles for ADAM users would be a good thing. Guy B.: Your kidding! This one is going to involve using it on the Net? scott: Is there interest in learning that language? rich: I've seen some suggestions that users should disable VB on their machines Guy B.: I'm going to try a crack on VBscript shortly for the emulator utilities. BobS: who knows???? scott: That's just what it's called. I don't know if it has any better web compatibility. rich: seems there's a feeling it's too easily used for malicious purposes scott: Basically, the big thing in the new version is the inclusion of Inheritance! Guy B.: It's VB, mainly it's VBscript. That's what the I Love You bug was written in. Guy B.: It's not VB, pardon on that. scott: VB is an excellent entry level programming language, though. Very powerful, but you have to love Bill Gates to an extent. rich: either way, the local gurus have been saying delete it, you don't need it and troublemakers do scott: Only usable in the Windows environment! scott: Is there enough interest to educate others in the ways of VB in our community? rich: write it and they will read? Guy B.: In my Practical Windows magazine. Harden Brothers is using VBA that's in Word97 for some program project. And the best part is any programs that you write in VBA can be imported into VB. scott: Oh yeah, I need some help coming up with an idea for my final VB project. scott: The final project is up to us. scott: I'd like to do something ADAM-related. Guy B.: Why not write a better launcher for running the Adam Emulator. scott: Yes -- you can use VB or VBA to remote-control MS Office. It's pretty cool. scott: It also needs to be something I can complete in a couple of weeks. rich: or maybe a faster and more flexible version of AdamServe? scott: A better launcher? scott: I will have to take a look at the ADAM Em utility. scott: I think I know what you're talking about, Guy. scott: Just haven't used it in over a year... Guy B.: I don't have the AdamEm launcher as I have been doing it from a menu. But, I think I could do one too. rich: I believe it's a front end for use within Windows, isn't it, Guy? scott: With VB you can instantiate an instance of word, like any other object, and use it's built in functions. scott: It's called ADAMEm, right? Or was it ADAMam? rich: I think AdamEmEm scott: Something like that... BobS: ADAMEMAM Guy B.: Yes, it is. I'm not running AdamEm from Windows, just from the DOS prompt. But, I bet I can do it using VB or VBscript. Just something simple. BobS: I think Guy B.: I think that's about right there. BobS: the windows interface is a LOT easier Guy scott: Anything you can do with Windows or MS DOS you can do with VB
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changed username to meeka Guy B.: Well, then I have to start a project then. rich: hi meeka Guy B.: Hi Meeka scott: Hello meeka meeka: hello rich: got the pictures up yet? scott: VB's fun stuff, but there's only so much time :( meeka: not yet, been busy the last couple days rich: tried your website teh other day but my browser couldnt find your server Guy B.: Meeka, I did check your website. Very well done. BobS: hi there Meeka,. did my son wander home yet????? scott: We'll have to talk more later about whether or not it would be worthwhile to do a VB tutorial for ADAM users. meeka: you'll have to try agian. I heard from Jerry Vranks and he got on so I might have been updating when you tried. meeka: no rich: I think that's entirely possible - it was last week Guy B.: I'm thinking of a short presentation at the next Adamcon if Rich will let me on VB and VBscript. meeka: he is not expected untill 20 or 11 meeka: thats 10 or 11 scott: Wow. VB presentation? BobS: hookay......was awonderin' how he made out....dir theyleave on time this morning??? meeka: yes scott: What did you have in mind? Guy B.: If I'm going to have programs files on my website, might as well try a short presentation of them. scott: VB program files? scott: Will these be self-installing packages or will they require you to also download the dll? Guy B.: I have one page for VB/VBscript files. I have divided the projects with the utilities with four for VB and four for VBscript. Guy B.: I think the DLL is standard on Win95. VB400run.dll I think the file is. scott: I really haven't played too much with VBA or VB Script. I've been mostly using 6.0 to create small standalone apps. Guy B.: I got VB 4.0 Enterprise edition and I have that on my P133 desktop and Word97 on my notebook with VBA. I'm going to use both on this project. rich: gather you don't have the Athlon ready yet, Guy Guy B.: It's ready, I've order that 17" monitor from Tigerdirect. I got the cables, but not the Monitor. I'm checking with Tigerdirect to see what's going on. scott: For version 5 and 6 I think that you still need to make sure that the appropriate dll is installed in your Window>System folder. scott: Or is it just the Windows folder? Oh well... Guy B.: I'll have to check that out. scott: I have VB Enterprise 6.0 Academic (full) version loaded on my machine. Guy B.: How much disk space did that take? rich: they still give serious discounts to students? scott: A ton. I loaded everything -- MS Library, SQL Server for Developers, etc. scott: Oh yeah. VB Enterprise was only $199 for me rich: some compensation for teh workload, anyway! scott: It's the full version as well. Guy B.: Not bad. I got my VB 4.0 Enterprise at a computer show for $10. What do you expect for an old version. scott: My work actually reimbursed me for it and I get to keep it. scott: So all in all, it was free. rich: can't get a much better deal than that, Scott scott: $10? That's not bad! Soon you'll be able to upgrade that to version 7 for (hopefully) a fairly reasonable price! scott: It's nice being a student sometimes. Guy B.: Tell me what's reasonable for Microsoft. scott: Not for the grades. No..... for those great academic discounts!!! rich: yes, buying an older one then using upgrade rights can save a fair penny Guy B.: I might as well learn this version now, then later I can upgrade. scott: Guy -- honestly, you'd be better off buying a copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Academic version for $350. Guy B.: What is that one? rich: don't they require a student ID for that? scott: It includes Enterprise editions of VB, C++, and a ton of other things... Guy B.: Actually, I do have a student ID. scott: Rich -- you can usually buy Academic software at computer shows. scott: Guy - go to the Microsoft site and check it out... rich: oh. but then, what I need is Win98/2 upgrade.... Guy B.: I picked up an Academic version of Wordperfect 6 at a computer show. Cheap. scott: Yeah. I got Dreamweaver for $99. Guy B.: Ok, I'll check it out. I can use it with Win95C, right? scott: Can't beat those prices... rich: what is 95C? scott: Yes. You can, but they really want you to load it on a computer with 98. Guy B.: Windows 95 with USB support. scott: I have installed it on my Windos NT computer and Win 95 machines... For educational purposes, of course... rich: In theory, Win 95B has USB support - I just haven't tried it yet Guy B.: Well, the Athlon once I get it up will have Win95 with USB and I'm going to install System Commander Deluxe and later might get Win98. Guy B.: No, it doesn't. I have that and it doens't have USB support. It has FAT32 on that version. rich: My 166 has a motherboard with USB ports and Windows 95 is supposed to support them rich: what has the File Allocation Table got to do with USB support? Guy B.: My Athlon has it too and it included drivers for USB if you have the original or B version of Win95. scott: Well guys, I gotta go. Guy B.: FAT32 was created to address the cluster size of larger size hard drives. scott: Will try to make it back next week. rich: OK Scott, nice having you in - hope for next week, or Saturday if you're free Guy B.: Ok, Scott see you either next week or Saturday. scott: Hopefully, there will be less homework to do. scott: See ya!
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changed username to Pamela Guy B.: That was the last version of Win95 before Microsoft released Win98. rich: hi daughter Guy B.: Hi Pam. Pamela: Hi, finally made it. Guy B.: Meeka just went off. rich: just as we lost eeka Pamela: Was it something I said? rich: ask Bob, if he's still really there rich: they have both been very quiet of late Guy B.: No, it's not you Pam. Bob and Meeka are very quiet up until now. BobS: WELL!!!!! Tis about time, young lady!!!!!!!!! Guy B.: He's alive!!!! rich: He Lives!!! BobS: ya sure mon! Pamela: Sorry, Bob, but if I hadn't come home with cat food, the cats would have started a rebellion BobS: ust listenin' rich: so Bob, do you know anything about Win95 with USB? BobS: nope!!! I stilluse 9pin din plugs and paralle ports! :-) rich: like, is it 95B after you've downloaded the service pack? Guy B.: There you go, Rich. rich: speaking of which, wonder whre Ron is? String break? Pamela: I was wondering the same thing. BobS: probably a bad stormon the west end of civilization Pamela: There's civilization out there? rich: you've been, you say Pamela: That explains the calls Pamela: All the civilized ones moved out there Pamela: I got stuck with the remainders rich: especially in the government - no, that won't fly BobS: gotta go for a few minutes and make a voice call....be back soon ya'll !!!!!!!! Guy B.: Okey Dokey. Pamela: OK rich: c u Pamela: I guess James isn't awake yet. rich: this is cause for surprise? rich: bet he's not up till tomorrow Guy B.: Isn't he still in Canada or did he return home? Pamela: Not really. I fully expected him to go face down on the bed as soon as he got home and stay there for a couple of days Pamela: He was supposed to be home last night, I think rich: he has to start teaching again at 4 p.m. his time today Guy B.: Oh boy, I bet he will be tired just from the flight. rich: should have asked why Japan runs spring break Wednesday to Wednesday Pamela: You should have seen him Sunday - I didn't think he was gonna make it thru the evening Pamela: That's a good question, Dad rich: yes, keeping 14 kids in line for a trip that long would be wearing Pamela: At least he had help. rich: yes, though I guess he'd be losing - was it sue-dan? - at Vancouver Pamela: I didn't ask him. At least Miyuki seemed awake rich: yes, she had a nap with teh girls before dinner, didn't she? Pamela: I think so, but also she had just flown in on Saturday night rich: the - the- the - the - the- Pamela: are you sure? rich: just to show I can do it right - fill in as required Pamela: You really need to teach that keyboard to spell rich: maybe I ashould trade it in for a new one - perhaps with computer attached? Pamela: Must be hereditary - I used to do it alot too Pamela: There's a thought rich: OK, you have an excuse, but what's mine? Pamela: Speaking of which, Guy, how's the new AMD doing? Pamela: Don't worry , Dad, I'll think of one Guy B.: It's ready to go. But, it's not been turned on for the first time yet. It's sitting to my left of the P133. Pamela: I thought you were using it to get the website up and running rich: maybe I'll ask Bruce if he feels like building me one next Tuesday
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rich confirmed ban Guy B.: Ok, he's one now. rich: not any more Pamela: you was twins, now you ain't\ BobS: hmmmmm, I is a magician!!!!!!! Pamela: You is gooood! Guy B.: The Athlon will be all Windows, Internet and for games that require a higher processor and memory. rich: what happened to Meeka - Doug get home? Pamela: Did you load an office suite as well? rich: I don't really know why I want a new computer rich: I think it's because I'm afraid of getting left behind on new software Pamela: Hey Dad, can you say "techno junkie"? Pamela: That too is hereditary rich: well, I can use more memory, and a CD-RW, and Windows 98/2 before XD comes out BobS: could be he did, can't run ICQ right now, so can't find out either Pamela: Did Meeka just disappear or actually say goodnight? rich: I gather AOL have started to play some sort of games with ICQ lately Guy B.: I do have Corel Wordperfect 8 Suite for the Athlon. rich: Linux or DOS version? Guy B.: Windows rich: Isn't the Linux version still free? Pamela: Interesting, Guy. Why not MS Office? I have nothing against Wordperfect, just curious rich: Corel being Canadian, we are in favour of Wordperfect users Guy B.: It came with the system and I have Wordperfect 6 on my P133. It's a really good word processor. Although I haven't tried Quatro Pro on it yet. Pamela: (go Canadians!) Guy B.: That's Quaddro Pro. Pamela: However it's spelled, what is it? rich: go back, you missed Guy B.: Quadro Pro then. rich: t Pamela: Is is a spreadsheet program? Guy B.: Yes it is. Pamela: Well, it's probably no different than Lotus or Excel rich: I have Star Office but have barely looked at it yet Guy B.: Corel bought the rights from Borland for it. Pamela: Really, Dad. I never would have guessed. Pamela: ; ) rich: you should look at Corel's Linux website - lots of neat stuff I'm told Pamela: I am a big fan of Lotus 1-2-3 - it's great for making lists and stuff. Pamela: Taught myself how to use it, too. rich: you can always borrow my Star Office disc and compare Guy B.: My sister in-law has the Lotus Smartsuite Millenium Edition. She's finally getting use to it with my help. rich: you have lots of hard drive space - maybe you'd like it better Pamela: What's the point? I have Lotus because that's what I'm using at the office and I like it just fine rich: that's a hard reason to argue with Pamela: Thank you. Guy B.: They are pretty similar and you can import and export files to other spreadsheet programs like Excel. rich: yes, most of teh big ones talk to each other now. Bill Gates is furious Pamela: I have done that many times. I did find that i have to go down a step to release 7 to create a doc that Excel users can use Guy B.: Well, what choice did he have? He can't win with everyone. BobS: Bill don't even want to talk to YOU!
(Guy B. laughs heartily) rich: count my blessings? Pamela: and how rich: just went through the Windows Update drill Pamela: and??? Guy B.: Are you up to date?? rich: now have almost everything "critical" plus some goodies Pamela: Ooh, how exciting Pamela: What kind of goodies? rich: wondering if DirectX 8.00a is worth an hour downloading tiem tho Guy B.: I should get going. I maybe able to make it Saturday. But, it might be from work. Pamela: Not unless you have something to use it for. rich: that's OK Guy, work or home, you're welcome Pamela: Is it that time already? Goodnite then. rich: I'll be there for 15 minutes from 3 p.m. EDT - more if anyone shows BobS: gotta go too kids......will TRY to remember (whack to the head) and come online Sat.....3PM EST yes????? rich: EDT in our area, Bob Guy B.: Have to run the labels and upload them to a BBS from the Net. So, I'll probably run between my supervisor's computer and mine. So, I'll see you all either Saturday or next week. rich: but OK, night Bob and Guy Pamela: Yes. Now if someone would just whack me, we'd be all set Pamela: Goodnite Bob
Guy B. left chat session rich: Guess you and I might as well pack it in too, Pam Pamela: Yeah, maybe I'll get some sleep for a change. What a concept. rich: we could both use it. See you Saturday? Pamela: Mom will be thrilled. Pamela's actually going to bed. rich: I'll tell her Pamela: Maybe, if I don't have other things on the go - there was a rumour about a birthday party for Tina and Neil's oldest for that day Pamela: Also, it's about the dust bunnies taking over my world rich: OK, you'll be there or you won't. We'll see Pamela: Comme ci, comme ca BobS: nite!
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