Dale: Hi Guy. Dale: I see you made it. Dale: Did you get my email? Guy B.: HI Dale, What happened? Dale: Thye server was down when I got home. It had been unplugged by accident.... Dale: The video card was loose, so I needed to screw it back in before it would come back online. Guy B.: So that's what happened. I just checked my e-mail and Rich sent us about the server problem. Dale: It took a minute to get it all together. Guy B.: Did you just get home a little while ago? Dale: Yes. I was home late. Usually I check the server at 8:45. Dale: So the fact that I was late home, and the server was down made the chat start late. Guy B.: Well, we hope everyone will be coming on shortly.
moved to room Meeting Place Dale: If they're checking email we'll see them shortly.
changed username to Old Adam Dale: Hello. Old Adam: Hello Guy B.: Well, we have a new comer. Hello there. Dale: So has it been a good week for you all? Dale: This past Saturday I was at the Metro-Toronto Adam Group monthly meeting. Old Adam: Today was hectic, fires everywhere. Guy B.: Finally got my new Athlon up, but not without some problems. Old Adam: What speed Dale: We talked about image file formats on the Adam. Guy B.: 850 Old Adam: cool Dale: I showed my TDOS utilities for viewing RLEs, SmartLOGO pictures, power paint cells, workspaces, and clips... Dale: and of course my GIF viewer. Dale: The 850 is quite fast I've found. Guy B.: It is. But, the only problem I'm having now is with he AGP card with Windows 95 OSR 2.
moved to room Meeting Place Dale: So I'm online from my new laptop. My old one was a shambles.
changed username to rich Guy B.: Hi Rich. rich: Greetings all - glad we finally got in Dale: My new one is great. It is a Pentium III 850 with 256MB of RAM and a 30 GB hard disk. It really screams. rich: Who's our Old Adam hand? Guy B.: Dale had the server down and a loose video card. rich: Naughty, naughty Dale: My old laptop was a 75MHz Pentium I with 24MB of RAM. It had real trouble keeping up with me. rich: I told Pamela to keep trying and sent a message round the listy Guy B.: My Athlon has a 13gig hard drive, 128mb memory, 8mb AGP card, and a 17" monitor. rich: Guy, before I forget I found some software you might want to look at Dale: I sent a message to the list once I was sure that the chat server was back up properly. Guy B.: What kind of software? rich: thanks, Dale - we had problems on Saturday too Dale: Of course my new laptop is what I need for work. C++ programming is pretty demanding. rich: Guy, it's a souped-up version of DOS's XCOPY command rich: it preserves 8.3 filenames even in 32-bit Dale: It is actually nicer than I expected. It has a 1600x1200 LCD display. Guy B.: Any kind of programming language can be demanding.
moved to room Meeting Place rich: apparently you can copy whole directory trees, even in effect a disc image you can make bootable
changed username to Ron Dale: I wasn't around on Saturday. That is usually a day for errands, etc. rich: well, Ron, welcome to the Wet Coast Guy B.: I might not need it. The Zip backup and another backup which I will download eventually supports both formats. Guy B.: Hi Ron Dale: Especially with MTAG and a Cabaret where Jillian read some of her poetry. Ron: well well.... let's hear it for the LC475 rich: yes, there are lots of otehr ways Ron: first one thru gets a prize rich: but this is free and worth a look - go to xxcopy.com Ron: The iMac hasn't made it yet Ron: hello all Guy B.: Ok, I wrote it down for now, I'll check it out a little later on. rich: what's the matter with teh iMac, Ron? Ron: it's too busy trying to be all things to all people Dale: Ron, are you running the new Mac OS, OS X Dale: yet? Ron: yes Dale.... amongst other things
moved to room Meeting Place Guy B.: Oh by the way. Folks, the Athlon is up, but I'm not on it as I don't have any of my Internet Connections defined on it yet.
changed username to Neil rich: how is it running otherwise, Guy? Ron: They delivered another piece today. Now I can burn CD's under X Guy B.: Hi Neil rich: Hello Neil - long time no see Ron: Neil... hey! Dale: Hi Neil. Neil: Hi Rich, I finally got to see some of your egg hunt! Dale: Burning CD's are good. Guy B.: Very fast, but I'm having a problem with the AGP card with Win95 OSR 2. rich: it's the otehr rich here - as in Toronto Neil: Oh yeah, I couldn't know for sure. rich: but I peeked at the egg hunt too - it was holarious Ron: How any self respecting company that prides itself on multi-media can release an Operating System without that confuses me Ron: but Apple did rich: I'm the rich who actually turns up with some regularity rich: says he cattily Ron: Yeah... really enjoyed the egg hunt Neil: Anyway, I get into the egg hunt (missed it last year). I finished my last exam yeasterday, so thought I'd brop in here. rich: and RealPlayer 7 will automatically download the plugin you need to watch it Dale: I missed it. Bad timing for me. I'm looking forward to the clips, when they are posted. rich: right - how is the course going, Neil? Ron: Did you finish the exam Neil, or did the exam finish you? Neil: I'm the one who doesn't show up with any regularity. I have to concentrate on classes during the school year. rich: obviously a case of skewed priotities 8-)) Ron: agreed rich: anyway, who is Old Adam?
moved to room Meeting Place Neil: Despite the fact that I went to study without my textbook or notes, the exam went very smoothly.
changed username to Tada!<undefined> Guy B.: Good question? Ron: Anyone who would pass up a perfectly stimulating chat to study for an exam..... well I don't know rich: Tada yourself - welcome, anyway!
Tada!<undefined> changed username to Pamela Dale: Hello Pamela. Pamela: there, that's better rich: hi daughter, see you made it Ron: Hi Pam Pamela: Hi - when did we get up and running Dale: Sorry for the delayed start of the chat. rich: I got in about 10 and some others were here Guy B.: Pam, you were Tada. Pamela: yes, I meant to sign on and then say that but got a little mixed up Ron: will the REAL "Old ADAM" please identify Ron: ain't me rich: She does things like that, Guy. I tried to bring her up well, but... ;-) Pamela: brb - I gotta get my drink Guy B.: She likes an encore lets say. Ron: getting to be time to make an airline reservation Pamela: okay, that's better - I had to rescue my chocolate milk from the cat Guy B.: Looks like my responses are slow, I'm downloading a file for the AGP card. rich: that's the advantage of driving - don't have to deal with the airplines Dale: Guy do you have your computers working with each other? Pamela: Don't suppose old Adam is Michael, is it? rich: no, Michael doesn't lurk rich: he couldn't keep quiet for two minutes Ron: Was wondering if we had a real ADAM on here...... working thru some sort of tin can and string Dale: He made a few comments just after he joined Guy and I. Guy B.: The plan is to transfer files between the P133 and the Athlon via Direct Cable Connection.
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changed username to hlm Dale: Okay. I've used that method. It works pretty well. Pamela: Hi, Neil, I just noticed you were there hlm: Evening All Ron: oH my Gosh....there goes the neighbourhood rich: oops - another one. Regardless, welcome Neil: Hi Pamela Ron: Hi Herman Guy B.: Well Herman, long time no see. How are you? Ron: must be an ADAMcon coming up Pamela: Hi, Herman - nice to meet you rich: oh, that's HLM - thought the middle was an i - Hi Hummon! hlm: Yea it has been a minute... attribute this to Ron, and Rich's email... that made me realize it was chat nite Ron: Herman Mason, Cleveland Ohio I believe Pamela: co-host of the con, right? hlm: Nice to meet you Pamela rich: yep, now all we need is Geroge to keep him in line Dale: Hi Herman. Ron: well... sometimes it pays to communicate Pamela: Why do I suddenly feel outflanked by testosterone?
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changed username to james Guy B.: Now we need Bob Pamela: Hi, James rich: Herman, Frances and I are coming, just procrastinating on sending in the booking Dale: Hi James. james: morning all :) Guy B.: Hi James. Ron: yes a veteran of two such 'cons hlm: Hello James rich: morning james hlm: maybe I could call GK wait a sec james: how's everyone? Ron: James, are you back on the right side of the Pacific now? Pamela: better late than never james: yeah, been back for awhile now :) Pamela: that depends on your definition, Ron Ron: true rich: had any good earthquakes latel;y? Ron: :) james: just the other night actually :) Guy B.: Good here in Chicago. We're having a warm spell, but that will be changing soon. Pamela: James, I got my pictures of the CN tower developed - I will get Dad to scan them for you and send them off Pamela: Since I don't have a scanner of my own yet james: thanks pam. my new study room is all set up and i set up my new desk a few days ago, so i'm hoping to get some stuff scanned soon. Ron: I take it your students enjoyed the trip James? rich: we're missing the Slopsemas tonight - think they gave up? Pamela: Can you print them? There's one of myself with Mr. and Mrs. Sato james: students had a great time :) i'm looking forward to the next trip, likely next summer. james: i can send you a print if you like pam :) no problem. Ron: We need you to stay in Vancouver a little longer rich: keep tellin' ya, james, mid-July - to Cleveland Pamela: No, I have the originals, I just wanted the Satos to have their own rich: we'll let the kids play Colecovision games hlm: trying to get GK Ron: yeah, wake him up Herman Pamela: Excuse me, who's a kid? james: gotcha pam :) just woke up 10 minutes ago so the engine is revving but i'm not shifting gears just yet :D rich: james' satudents - don't be so touchy Pamela: just checking, Dad Pamela: WAKE UP! Ron: who me? Pamela: no, James Ron: zzzz Pamela: okay, you too james: it's been raining here for the last week and cool. you have something to do with that ron? rich: she's mad 'cause there was a big fire here and she had to take a detour getting home Ron: Now James.... weather travels from west to east
moved to room Meeting Place Pamela: not so! hlm: It will not let GK in
changed username to gmk hlm: wait he is here rich: hey, the second of the Evil Twins - halleluljeh Pamela: talk about a full house gmk: hello all Ron: C'mon, he ain't that ugly Pamela: Nice to meet you, George Ron: Hey George! james: it could have gone all the way around or something ron :) rich: you haven't seen him in a State Cop hat Guy B.: HI George Ron: We send all the bad weather to Toronto hlm: we are not evil Just twins Pamela: In which case blame the Newfies, James Dale: I'm not sure if we'll see the Slopsemas at this point. They usualy only come for the early part of the chat. Pamela: Ron, I hate to break it to you, but you missed Pamela: It was 27 C here today Pamela: No humidity, either rich: actually, Frances is kvetching something fierce about the heat - it hit 30C this afternoon Dale: Neil, you missed a pretty good MTAG meeting on Saturday. Ron: yeah, I saw that. What the hell happened? Neil: No bad weather today in Toronto. 30 Celsius (over 80 F)
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changed username to Scott Pamela: Hi, Scott Dale: Audry is the new Treasurer. she, and you and I need to go to the bank on Bathurst, and update the records. Ron: you guys have gone from winter directly to summer Dale: Hi Scott. Dale: Hi George. james: 30 wow. we're stuck at 15 because we've been under cloud cover for 10 days. Ron: Scott, my son Scott: Hello, all. Guy B.: Hi Scott. How did your exams go? rich: Hello Scott - you came to a full house hlm: Hello Scott Scott: Good -- just got one left. Advanced Unix. rich: wish we could get a mob like this out on Saturdays Ron: George, were you and Herman over at the robot thingie? Scott: Wow. This must be some kind of record... Pamela: Think so. gmk: only came because my twin called Neil: Dale, I just couldn't get out of work. I thought of switching to Sat. morning work shift, but Scoutrees at the Lions Trailwas on and I had to be there for Lions AND Scouts, so I couldm't do it. Scott: 11 of us. hlm: No I was working Ron: aw james: seriously, we've got a big crowd this morning Pamela: I was at the trailer gmk: No, by the time I got msg it was too late Ron: looked like a real hoot Pamela: We're only missing the Slopsemas, Michael, Jillian and Willy Ron: who is "Old Adam". Enquiring minds want to know Pamela: I second that Old Adam: Just a casual observer hlm: Like Rich said, Bob probably gave up earlier if her ran into problems Pamela: Please, we don't bite rich: it's a puzzler - what Adam owner was ever shy? Scott: Could be... Scott: Dr. Solomon Swift... Ron: that's a thought Scott: ??? Old Adam: Give me a break Ron: wouldn't that be interesting rich: OK, if he knows Sol Swift, he's an oldie Ron: Patricia Herrington maybe? Scott: If you know who Swift was, then you must know a little about the ADAM. hlm: shame on you Rich Pamela: could be a she, you know rich: nope, females can't stay that quiet that long hlm: Not likely only PJ and she don't do internet james: damn, rich beat me to it. Pamela: Oooh, you're gonna pay for that one, Dad Ron: I guarantee you on a stack of Bibles - it's not a machine from the Snake Pit Ron: which of course is now practically empty Pamela: Can we have a hint? james: dale - have you done anything wrt using an ide zip drive on the adam? Ron: yeah Dale, either parallel or scsi rich: I'd say a newcomer to the Adam group - not to the Adam, tho Dale: I haven't made any progress lately. Scott: Dale -- anything interesting going on??? Guy B.: Scott, are you learning Linux as well? Ron: busy working....that's bad for the health Old Adam: Are the IDE cards for the Adam not available now ? Dale: I can't support the parallel or SCSI ZIP drive... hlm: I vote the oldie to be Rob F on ROn C Scott: Yes, we're being taught Unix on Red Hat Linux. Ron: aha! he speaks Dale: but the IDE one should work fine on the Adam. Pamela: s/he james: just curious. i still have the stuff i got from bob sitting in a box. 40mb hd, ide interface etc. got the parallel card sitting around too. Ron: well yes, one shouldn't presume gender james: thought of a really good project for my adam . Dale: I've made a little progress on it, but not anything especially meaningful. Scott: But we'll dig deeper into Linux itself once my Unix/Linux Admin class begins... james: ron, yeah, these days i'm not even sure you can narrow it down to the basic m or f anymore. Pamela: Whatcha gonna do, James? rich: Michael has some old hard disc kits for the Adam but don't know what interface Dale: But with the right patches, it should be possible to replace a hard disk on the Adam with... Scott: Headed into CISCO in two weeks. Lots of networking ahead... Old Adam: Yea, you have to allow for 'M' now.......:) Ron: job Scott? Dale: the 100 MB ZIP disk (with only the first 64MB available, as per usual). Scott: I'm just a lowly web designer at TRW. Scott: Dale -- why not a DVD RAM? james: pam, i'm looking at getting a wind/solar power setup for the school. actually reasonably priced too (not cheap mind you) Scott: Common not, don't get chincy on us... james: i want to collect data for a year on wind speed. Pamela: Good idea, James - now if you can just hook a cell to it you'll be all set james: cell? solar cell? Pamela: No, cellular for phones Pamela: power and communication all in one rich: herman, what interface did the Orphanware drives use? james: still shifting here :) i'm going to swallow my pride and order the damn phone line from ntt. james: expensive at first, but still cheaper than cell in the long run and much better voice quality. Dale: I don't have a DVD-RAM drive. But of about $30US I bought a brand new IDE ZIP drive for my Adam. james: i'll be sure to let ntt know that their pricing structure will influence my choice of local carrier. Pamela: ; ) hlm: it used the KAPRO rich: well, DoCoMo is just a pup of the Great Satan anyway, isn't it? Ron: Dale, you mean you actually have a prototype working? james: i'd say there's no point to a dvd ram drive. i can't see the adam accessing 5.6gb Dale: The Orphanware drives used a MFM drive on the SASI specification. james: yeah. docomo is. there are other cell carriers, kddi, j-phone and now british vodaphone is getting into the act. gmk: we'd be luky if ADAM used 64MB Scott: Common now guys, we'll find something to fill it up with! rich: yes, and didn't I hear something about Deutsche Telecom too, james? Ron: It's supposed to be able to count that high james: 64mb of a 100mb zip disk is fine with me. i can live without using the other 34 mb. Dale: Go for it Scott. I'd get one if you added support. Ron: yup agreed hlm: yea right a TRUE ADAMITE james: i use deustche telekom as my long distance carrier. those idiots at ntt called me asking me to switch. they were floored when i told them what i pay now. hlm: I can deal with anything just make the ADAM work Dale: Ron, so far, all I've got working reliably is the Eject code for the drive. Scott: Dale -- I still like the idea of CD-ROM. Scott: DVD-RAM was just a joke. Ron: well, that's a start Dale: So if you put in a ZIP drive, you can run a program under TDOS that will eject it back out. Neil: Wow! Old Adam: what about memory sticks ? rich: I still like the idea of an LS120, especially if it can keep the 1.44 capability Scott: Should be able to find affordable CD-R/CD-RWs now a days. Ron: reminds me of the box with the hand that comes out and turns the off switch Dale: It is different from the CD-ROM control codes. james: so my idea for my adam project is to have the anemometer sitting where i'll eventually get the wind turbine mounted. Neil: Where are you going to put the memory sticks? I think there's a diskette adapter. That should work shouldn't it? Scott: But Dale -- we'll just figure that you'll come up with these codes, right? Ron: Actually I'd be quite happy to have a 100 Meg Zip drive that worked reliably anywhere Scott: No problemo. james: i'd send data through the serial port (i think i have one) and compile wind speed averages. save them to the hard drive. rich: getting the Click of Death, Ron? Ron: yep james: is there a maximum file size on the hard drive? Ron: that was 2 units ago Ron: now I just hold my breath rich: yes, Adam can't address more than 64 MB Guy B.: I recently printed out the proposed settlement involving the Zip 100 drives. hlm: then don't get an Iomega then they are not reliable to me Scott: How about 64 MBs of memory. rich: well, then it's an LS120 or find a Syquest on eBay james: that's not a problem. i don't see this file getting much larger than a few mb. Scott: That would be one heck of an application to utilize all of that space... rich: how about a memory stick - they're flash memory, aren't they? Dale: I need to do more research on the ZIP drives. gmk: ADAM programmers aren't bad enough to need that much room james: was that for me scott? Dale: There is an open source driver for Linux, that I've studied. Dale: Maybe Scott could get me the spec for the protocol ... james: i figure the app would be a couple of k at most. that space would be for the data. rich: anyone got an Adam running on Linux yet? Scott: Hey, yeah James. How about 64 MB of Logo turtles??? Dale: All I need to do is figure out what the protocol document I need is. Neil: Actually I think the disk drive adapter will let you read the memory stick, but can you write to it? Do you know. Old Adam? james: :D Old Adam: sure Scott: Spec for I'm sorry, what? Dale: Adam on Linux, no problem. Linux on Adam, not done. Ron: How do you guys actually know what you're looking at when you get down at that level? rich: not done - that means you're working on it, Dale? hlm: yea right james: well, like i said, that would just be the data file. the prog would be tiny. just something that counts the number of ticks per minute james: and does a few calculations. james: then archives the results. Dale: Spec for how to communicate with a ZIP drive over IDE/ATAPI, butI'll need to look up the exact spec. Dale: Your Dad has said that TRW subscribes to all of the specification sources. Scott: Really? Ron: Must be in some of those open source Linux kernels james: you still with us pam? Pamela: Yup, but you've gone way beyond me - I'm just listening and learning rich: she is unless the cat got into the chocolate milk Ron: speaking of which.... Dale, what the hell is a 'bogomip' Pamela: Oh you did catch that, did you? james: i doubt i could go that far. most people here know *far* more than i do when it comes to hw/sw on the adam. Pamela: Rest easy, the milk is safe Ron: as is so many bogomips per second rich: is that the next step beyond a yottamip? Scott: Dale - I made a note. Will talk to my dad later. Ron: must be Scott: But he's been slow getting back to me. Guy B.: Well, I have to go. I'm having a problem here. See you all next week or Saturday. Ron: when my Linux boots up it goes through a bunch of gibberish..... and that's the only word I see, because it jumps out at me Pamela: talk about adding words to the lexicon . . . Pamela: Good nite, Guy - good luck! Ron: Guy....be good rich: OK Guy, look for you Saturday - try to send a reminder to the list Dale: A bogomip is a count of the CPU speed of your computer. hlm: nite Guy Ron: you mean it's actually a real quantity.... well I'll be damned
Guy B. left chat session Scott: Dale - I am planning to study EE/Computer Engineering later at the Universtiy. Dale: Depending on the type of processor it is either accurate or a multiple of accurate for internal callibration. Ron: Thank you Dale for clearing that up Scott: Uhhh... the college student misspelled "University" Dale: EE is a good course, but quite challenging. Pamela: no, the keyboard misspelled it Pamela: when in doubt, blame it on the computer rich: explain to him why he should take it at Waterloo, Dale james: yeah, i always blame the keyboard. i find it screws up my japanese more than my english too :D Ron: Hell I blame it on the computer even when I'm not in doubt Scott: Will have to boost my math bigtime. But my father should be able to help out as needed. Scott: Yes Dale. Sell me on Waterloo. Ron: from reports I've heard Scott, that's the biggest failing of computer science students Ron: they can't do math Scott: Wish me luck. james: yeah, bone up on integral calculus and matrix algebra. Old Adam: but can you add and subtract Ron: differentials I could do, integrals no Pamela: arithmatic is good, too Ron: but that was 40 years ago james: the calculus you'll need for your calculus and pysics courses. the algebra should get you through.. uhmm algebra. james: oops. physics that is! Scott: I've got Calculus I-III, Calculus based Physics I-II, Diff. Equations and Linear Algebra ahead of me. Dale: Well, the math in EE is enough to make many people I know scream Eeeeee! Pamela: more greek Ron: James...congratulations...you just invented a new subject Ron: must go study my pysics Neil: You just can't get a way from math. I just finished a 40-page Linguistics paper on Catastrophe Theory and Chaos Theory -- lots of math. Dale: You read my mine Ron. Scott: Wow, Neil. Impressive. I'm still talking about doing things like that. Ron: So what are the linguists doing studying catastrophe and chaos? Pamela: Can i join your pysics class, Ron? rich: just from curiosity, what have those theories to do with linguistics? Dale: Wow, 40 pages! Ron: certainly. we do it all on the ADAM Pamela: Um, Dad, I need an ADAM for my new pysics class Neil: Well, there are lots of diagrams that take up a lot of room. hlm: it has been so long since I went to school, it is ALL GREEK to me rich: you can pick it up when you bring over teh fire extinguisher, Pam james: yeah, okay pam :) Pamela: does it come with it's own space? I could use some Ron: Out here we relate catastrople and chaos to the movement of tectonic plates Dale: Neil, are you presenting something on that as applied to the Adam at ACon in July? Dale: I'll be back. Here is Jill for a few minutes. Neil: The paper was concerning how Catastrophe Theory can explain some language variation, in particular some catastrophic differences that occur at the Niagara river border.
Dale changed username to Jill Pamela: Hi, Jillian! Jill: Hey all. Ron: Neil, obviously you're using those two words in a different context that the one I'm understanding rich: I gather you're dealing with small catastrophes then, relatively speaking Ron: Hey Jill! james: well i've given ntt more money so i'm off. will have wireless going this year so eventually this won'T be an issue. rich: welcome Jill james: let you all know how my wind project goes. later! Ron: niters James. Keep all tha bad weather eh? hlm: hi Jill rich: good to have you aboard, james. till next week, then Pamela: good luck, James - will get those pictures out when I go to Dad's place Old Adam: Goodbye all. Ron: well well... now we know rich: come back soon, Old Adam hlm: nite James Neil: I'm not 100% guaranteed to get to AdamCon, but I've already started thinking about such a presentation at AdamCon. Jill: The picture from our dinner?" Did they come out well? Pamela: Please do, and bring your alternate persona james: bye rich. bye ron. bye dale. bye scott. hi jill. bye jill. bye pam. bye all *poof*
james left chat session Pamela: Know what, Ron?
Old Adam left chat session Ron: who Old Adam was Pamela: well, don't keep us in suspense Pamela: very funny
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left chat session Jill: I'm lost what are we talking about? Pamela: who Old Adam is / was Neil: Ron, yes, in a different context, but not one that's easy to explain. The explanation is somple, but quite long and involved. Pamela: which Ron still has not revealed Jill: Hey Neil, did the grand oopening of the brooklin store happen yet? Scott: Wow, Neil. What do you need for a living? rich: Neil gets by on merely enough activity to keep three people busy full time hlm: (PRIVATE) hello Neil: Yes, the grand opening happened. Only one spectator showed up for the ribbon cutting, but we had curious people coming in all day. rich: Is this a new branch or did you move the original one? Pamela: branch of what? Forgive the ignorance, Neil Jill: Did you manage to get a bigwig to cut the ribbon? gmk: (PRIVATE) hello Neil: We got the town coucillor to cut the ribbon. Jill: Video store. Close enough to a big wig. Any papers? rich: and I trust handed out cake all around Neil: We operate 3 video rental stores. This was the official re-opening of our Brooklin store after moving from a smaller place down trhe street. Pamela: Okay, much less confused now Pamela: Brooklin where? rich: I know about Port Perry, hwere's the third? Pamela: Ontario? Neil: Scott "What do you need for a living?" Can you expalin what that means? Jill: Brooklin is the north end of the city of Whitby. Pamela: Ah, gotcha Neil: Brooklin, ONtario, Port Perry and Fenelon Falls. rich: please - Whitby is South Brooklin - right - Neil? Scott: Oh, sorry. What do you DO for a living? Scott: Sorry, I keep getting distracted. rich: Pam, you went through Brooklin on the way to Carloine's funeral Scott: But I'm with you guys now. Pamela: Like I noticed - I was completely lost Jill: Not according to the province unfortunately rich: well, yeah, but those twerps insist North York is just part of Toronto Neil: We actually didn't have cake, but handed out about 100 free carnations, free pop, and balloons, and had hourly draws for t-shirts and other movie paraphelalia. Ron: trouble with cable is that the phone can also ring....which it just did Ron: somebody to offer me more computer gear Pamela: Okay Ron, now you have no excuse - tell us the id of Old Adam rich: well now that you've got all that space... ;-) Neil: South Brooklin, right Rich! Ron: thought it was James..... they both left at the same time Jill: Dale is home and will come back on after making butterscotch milkshakes. Ron: e-mail me one Jill Ron: I want one! Pamela: One for me too, please Jill Scott: Ahh! My girlfriend needs the computer. I'll be back. Pamela: Okay Ron: that's the trouble with girlfriends Pamela: careful, Ron Ron: In know Neil: Re: Old Adam, I thought the reference to Sony memory sticks was a big clue. (that would point towards Zonker) Jill: Dale says the emailing milkshakes feature isn't available in the version of Linux. Ron: um.......do you suppose? Pamela: A reasonable facsimile would do Ron: could it be? rich: tell Dale to get a better distribution, then Neil: brb Pamela: why would Zonker want to remain anonymous? rich: might have been a newbie - I invited one on a week or so back Ron: that's just what Zonker would do Jill: Newbie's are good. Zonker would be too. rich: anonymous, maybe; quiet, no Pamela: I love a good mystery Ron: The Case of the Unidentified Lurker Pamela: Does Zonker know Pat Herrington? Ron: no, not at all rich: oh, YES Pamela: there seem to be diverse opinions here hlm: I think Zonker would of said hello to all of us Ron: yes, he does rich: especially with Herman and George around - I agree Ron: think so Herman Jill: Here comes Dale! Pamela: goodnite Jill - nice to see you hlm: Yea I think so Ron: Dale where's my butterscotch milk shake? rich: see you later, Jill
Jill changed username to Dale Ron: niters Jill hlm: bye Jill Pamela: and mine? Ron: Thinking of bringing iMac to the ADAMcon Pamela: How does one make a butterscotch milkshake, anyway? Dale: I'm back. Ron: with your permission of course Pamela: It's not exactly carry on luggage, Ron Ron: need a suitable travel case rich: how much overweight luggage penalty is an iMac worth? Ron: no Pam, but it's just enticing enough Ron: prolly about 40 lbs gmk: we got 'big blue' why not iMAC Pamela: Send it by FedEx or UPS Neil: IF it were Zonker (big if), he couldn't say much without giving himself away. His spelling and syntax are disinctive. I actually concluded that it was a newby. Ron: It can run ADAMem rich: good point Neil Neil: Ron, ask Dale about his cracked monitor. You really want that travel case to be secure. hlm: I think it was definitely someone OLD but Not Z for sure Ron: there's a local here who actually designs to order Ron: cases, I mean rich: Dave Sands, maybe? Ron: possible.... or Dave Cobley rich: David Cobley would not be that reticent Ron: was just talking to the latter today Dale: Well, Pamela, I took butterscotch ripple in a 2:1 ratio with milk, and blended. hlm: maybe but memory sticks that is not something he would say either Pamela: Did you add any sauce? Ron: and blended? Ron: go on..... Ron: you have my attention rich: Ron, you don't need this... Ron: shut up Pamela: ditto rich: stick to the Diet Coke Pamela: yuck hlm: shame on you both the round one can handle it Ron: thanks Herman Pamela: the round one? Ron: anyway Ron: Round Ron Pamela: ah Dale: Nope, just straight "Bryers" ice cream. I is quite nice. Ron: I will take Bryers any time Pamela: We're all drooling here, Dale - it's all your fault Ron: and there won't be any left for anyone else rich: The best ice cream is President's Choice rich: I should get some dry ice and bring a cooler to Cleveland Pamela: I thought you thought the ONLY ice cream was PC Ron: In fact, even as we speak in the Mitchell freezer upstairs there are both Dale: I like Bryer's because it's all natural, with no additives. hlm: probably something you brew in your back yard Rich Pamela: Turtles ice cream runs a very close second, however Dale: Then I just poured and served. rich: the problem with PC is that once they tasted that, they wouldn't be able to stand anything else Ron: all of which goes to reinforce the theory that chocolate is better than sex Pamela: the jury's still out on that Pamela: depends on the sex Dale: The next version is supposed to have a USB driver for the blender, so I could email you the shake as an attachment. Ron: true, they're all eating chocolate and having sex Ron: how did we get here? Pamela: don't ask rich: it's hard? Ron: Herman and George won't come back again Pamela: what??? hlm: like that SPECIAL BEER you bring with you every year Ron: oh yeah, that Ron: Bras'd Or Ron: since I'm nowhere near Quebec I can't do it rich: I think he means Labatt Ice hlm: I will be back for food and sex anytime Ron: probably. Since I'm currently an expert on Neither Dale: Well, I'm not big on chocolate, though I do like Smarties ice cream. I guess they don't have that in the US either...
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changed username to Pamela Pamela: This time it worked Dale: What just happened? Pamela: Dunno, suddenly everyone was gone Dale: Same here.
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changed username to Neil Pamela: Dad, ignore my e-mail Dale: I think that my monitoring app must have incorrectly decided that the server needed to be restarted. rich: well, we all ended up having a problem with the server Pamela: you need to have a chat with that app, Dale Dale: I really do. rich: maybe the file ran it out of memory, Dale Dale: When I got home tonight, the machine had been unplugged by accident. It took me a while to get it up and running again. Pamela: If that were the case, would we be able to get back on? rich: once it stops and restarts, I'd guess the memory would be empty Pamela: well, I suppose it had good reason, with all the people here tonite Dale: Just now, I found that mostly everyone was connected more than once... rich: maybe we should let it have a rest so it will be ready for Saturday Dale: and I didn't see aynthing. There were 12 active connections, mostly duplicate ones. Pamela: I was connecting, but that was all - I didn't show up in the users list rich: when it stopped putting up my entries, I did a reload rich: that usually works Pamela: Is it really 11:30? No wonder I'm tired rich: I ended up leaving Opera and rejoining in IE Neil: I'm only on once, but that's maybe because the Chat app closed and I had to restart it. Pam's listed twice. Dale: Well, most weeks it works well. Today isn't one of those days. rich: had two applet screens in Opera that wouldn't close Pamela: Hang on, I'll go check rich: I only see Pamela once on my screen, Neil Pamela: Nope, only one connection from my perspective Dale: So I guessed that everyone was having trouble, and killed and restarted it. Pamela: Dale, if it only goes down twice a year, thats reasonable rich: that's usually the best way
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changed username to Ron-1? rich: I think maybe Ron, Herman and George looked at the clock and decided to quietly take a hint Dale: Well, I'll have to make sure that it behaves in the future. Pamela: WB, Ron Ron-1?: Bounced was I Neil: I still have 2 Pamelas, 2 Dales, 2 riches. rich: well, I was wrong about Ron - course it's only 8.37 Pacific time Pamela: well, I always wanted to be twins Dale: Well, I only have one of each. Neil: Ron, Dale's computer decided it was a good time to restart. Pamela: speak harshly to the server, Ron rich: sees like the applet persisted on your machine, Neil Ron-1?: Then somebody came to the door Ron-1?: yes Pamela: You're very popular tonite, Ron - first the phone, now the door Ron-1?: Ok .... so it weren't entirely my fault Ron-1?: yeah..... more computer people rich: nope - them dam Easterners pulled the plug Pamela: I think they have your number Ron-1?: They also know I have space in the Snakepit rich: word does get around awfully fast, doesn't it? Pamela: Axiom of Murphy's Law: Stuff expands to fill the available space Ron-1?: for info to Herman and George .... 2 Sundays ago they had a reclcle and disposal day here.... I dumped (literally ) 17 computers rich: naw, that's a corollary of Parkinson"s rich: 'fraid we lost Herman and George in the dump Pamela: Ron, are you still shoing those two? Dale: Something. My monitoring app got confused and started an extra copy, I think. Pamela: sorry, showing rich: maybe they're on too but with a connection that doesn't show here Ron-1?: I see that... oh well....telling the rest of you what you already know Pamela: Don't worry, I'm used to it Pamela: I have a boss like that
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changed username to <undefined> Pamela: he who? Dale: HLM. I saw him appear and disappear. Ron-1?: not fully materialized Pamela: definitely weird. I got a KKK showing up here rich: Herman had problems reconnecting last time we had a server glitch Ron-1?: that's a bad state to be in Pamela: transporter problem? Ron-1?: dammit Scotty! Pamela: don't blame Scotty, he got caught in the transporter himself - saved his life rich: I suspect someone's trying to reenter with teh old applet still running on his computer Pamela: Now he's off drinking Scotch on Risa rich: I even had to switch browsrs to get back on Ron-1?: found the best to do here when such circumstances arise is to leave completely, go somewhere else then come back rich: yes, in effect that's what I did Ron-1?: answering the front door is optional Pamela: If they're wearing nice lapel nametags, don't answer it Ron-1?: Yes we have those here too Pamela: they're everywhere Ron-1?: who wish to convince me of the evil of my ways Pamela: just offer them some of your Wiccan literature Pamela: or Druidic, if you prefer Ron-1?: Hey! Never thought of that rich: I have a little sign - it says we shoot every third salesman rich: the second one just left Pamela: and he can't count anyway Ron-1?: :) Pamela: Dad rich: me voici Ron-1?: To return to the subject...... Pamela: never mind Dale: What were we talking about anyway? Ron-1?: I have to pay attention to ADAM this week. TDOS on my HD has gone flaky Neil: Well, I have to go. I have an early morning dentist appointment. Ron-1?: and I'm not sure I remember how to rebuild rich: now that's something to look forward to Dale: Bye for now Neil. Pamela: I should too - 6:00 am comes way too early Ron-1?: Neil, tell the dentist you're broke rich: great having you in, Neil - take it easy - nite now Dale: Don't foget to get together with Audry and I... Dale: at the bank. Pamela: Goodnite Neil - nice to "meet" you Ron-1?: take care Neil Dale: I need you to update the signature card. Neil: Okay, Dale. (I was already plannig to say I was broke, but it doesn't help.) Ron-1?: Dale, by the way, Jeff sent me a message saying he was sorry he couldn't meet up with you in VR
Neil left chat session Ron-1?: I get the same treatment Ron-1?: he's got a girlfriend now..... things change Dale: That's okay. I was so busy getting ready for my trip that I couldn't arrange anything with him ahead of time. Dale: If my client likes my first project, then I'll be back there again fairly soon. Ron-1?: let's hope Pamela: I am on my to bed - see you all next week, server willing. Dad, I will endeavor to get the extinguisher to you a.s.a.p. Ron-1?: If I had a few days notice, I wouldn't mind coming down to meet you Dale: Bye for now Pam. rich: OK Pam, sleep tight. Nite now Ron-1?: sleep well Pam Pamela: Thank you - bye!
Pamela left chat session Ron-1?: so let's hope there's reason for you to visit again rich: Think I'd better follow my daughter's good example, folks rich: If you can make it, like to see you Saturday Dale: Well, a busy and problematic night. Ron-1?: winding down Dale: Bye Richard. Ron-1?: Rich, I don't think I can this week. Have a deal on at the hospital scheduled for 11 am.... not sure how long it runs... rich: yep, colour me gone Ron-1?: volunteer week luncheon Ron-1?: anyway...... must go and tend to my flaky TDOS rich: OK Ron, if you can. but won't expect it. Nite Dale and Ron rich: I'm gone
rich left chat session Ron-1?: Actually, it's been up and running quite a while without incident Ron-1?: take care all who are left Dale: Yes Ron. Until tonight it has been in good shape. I didn't realize that it had come unplugged by accident. Ron-1?: well, these things happen Ron-1?: but you informed us all in good order Dale: Well, I guess I'll see you later. Ron-1?: yup...nite sir Dale: poof
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