rich: yep, I'm here - morning! rich: and yes, I got your email - glad the timing was so fortuitous
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changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Greetings!!!! rich: hello Guy - james seems to be away at the moment Guy B.: Wonder if his wife wanted him for something??? rich: tried to ping him with the messager but he hasn't responded rich: could very well be rich: anyway, what weather will we inherit from you tomorrow?
moved to room Meeting Place Guy B.: We hit 82 today and it will be like that again tomorrow before more storms come in and cool things off. rich: that squares more or less with our forecast here
changed username to BobS rich: the way the fronts move, we'll maybe have rain late tomorrow afternoon BobS: Hiya dudes! rich: hey, the wanderer returns - hi bob Guy B.: I'm still using the old system for the Internet, but I have setup the Athlon for Corecomm. I still have to install Netscape on it. Guy B.: Hi Bob! BobS: was visiting my out-laws just home from Florida lat week rich: this time of year Florida is getting a little on the hot side Guy B.: My sister in-law is in Orlando right now at Disney World. The whole family is there. BobS: downright hot when they lasft BobS: yucky! rich: not only that, they're into fire season in some partws of the state rich: this is the time of year when we northerners can start to gloat BobS: they were in Ft Lauderdale area, by Atlantic Ocean, but it was still in the 80's and 90's before theyleft Guy B.: Florida was in a pretty rough drought for most of this past winter. rich: yes, they had some helicopter shots of the aligators stacked like cordwood in shrunken sloughs on the new t'other nite rich: just talking with my cursor crony in Phoenix about maybe meeting for teh Cleveland CART race July 1 Guy B.: Hye Bob, I finally got my Athlon up and running, but still have to load drivers for my AGP card. rich: reckon if he comes up then, he'll find it cool
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changed username to Dale Guy B.: Hi Dale Dale: Hi all rich: hello Dale BobS: hi dfale BobS: you still havern' BobS: got that thing running? Dale: I was working late tonight too. But today, I checked the server earlier at least. Guy B.: It's running, but I'm on the old system for right now. rich: well, we all got on without any problems, it appears rich: though we don't know where james has got to Dale: Bob, can I pay you for that spare MI HD controller card you have? Dale: You're on paypal, right Bob?
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changed username to Pamela rich: hi daughtere Guy B.: Hi Pam! Pamela: Hi, everyone BobS: hi Pam rich: james seems to be away at the moment Pamela: Ah BobS: sure, Dale I will figure out shipping + $55 (ANN cost) and let ya know rich: but I got an email from him acknowledging the scans of your pictures Pamela: thanks - did he like them? rich: yes, and apparently they got there just in time for a new web page he's working on Pamela: good news rich: you'll be internationally famous, kid! Pamela: do I have to ? Guy B.: Spill it Pam. rich: reckon you're committed now Pamela: spill what, Guy Guy B.: My error. Pamela: These are the pictures we took at the CN tower the night James was here. I'm in one of them Guy B.: Has anyone hear from Dr D. lately? rich: we sent james a couple of ppictures taken at the CN tower when he was here BobS: yes......had the wrong registration figures and he chastized my slef for that..... Guy B.: That I noticed. I sent my registration and a deposit last month. Pamela: I may not be able to go after all BobS: got to get around to doing ours.... rich: I see james has vanished Pamela: poof Guy B.: How come Pam? Pamela: My boss's vacation starts on the 14th and she doesn't want me out of the office at the same time she is. Pamela: I figure the place won't disintigrate for one day, but what do I know? I'm just an adminion rich: yes, but the 14th is a Friday and you'll be back Monday BobS: tell her you gonna be SICK that day Pamela: No, the 14th is Saturday Guy B.: At least I managed to schedule mine so no one else from my section isn't gone at the same time. That's the rule in my dept. rich: so you don't work Sunday anyway Pamela: I would, but somehow I don't think she'd believe me Pamela: It's the 16th I would miss, Dad rich: tell her you have to go look after the old folks Pamela: Also, the two days leading up to before she leaves Guy B.: That's when we all return home. rich: that would be in the count your blessings category... Pamela: Yes it would, but I can't really tell her that BobS: well. leave right after banquet and drive thru the night, what is it from cleveland to toronto???? rich: 314 miles, six hours Pamela: Can't do that, Bob - I don't cope well with unlit highways, and I couldn't do it without sleep rich: courtesy of the Triple A atlas Pamela: And unfortunately, Russell doesn't drive so it would be completely on my shoulders Guy B.: Ouch! BobS: well geez whiz....... rich: not to mention the likelihood of border delays, semis on their sides on I-90 or the QEW Pamela: I'm still trying to think of a way around it, and if all else fails will try to put up a convincing argument BobS: Rich, ya'll WORRY too much!!! rich: just the voice of experieince, Bob Pamela: It's in his job description, Bob rich: these days on those roads you don't ever expect a clear shot Guy B.: Good luck Pam. Bosses can be lenient. Hope yours is. BobS: but ya have to have a positive attitude, and then you will breeze right thru Pamela: the odds aren't good Guy - she can be a b with an itch sometimes rich: spoken like one who does NOT live in a large urban area Guy B.: You have a tought one there. Guy B.: That's tough one. Pamela: that is the understatement of the day rich: well, gently work on her for a bit, Pam Pamela: Just ask Dad about some of the names I've called her from time to time Guy B.: That bad? rich: though micro-managers never believe the joint will survive a day without their supervision Pamela: Not printable Pamela: I will have Diana trained by that point, and she will be there Thursday and Friday - it's just Monday that's the issue. I don't see what the problem is. rich: sometimes people get strange ideas Pamela: If Diana has a problem, there are lots of other people around she can ask for help Guy B.: You will be coming back anyway, it's just a long drive back from Cleveland. rich: work on it a bit - maybe Bev will see the light Pamela: I can only hope. rich: especially if she sees that you are really, seriously upset Pamela: that doesn't work Pamela: I think she enjoys pissing me off Pamela: she's a perverse sort that way Pamela: Say, Dad, do we have any conveniently distant relatives we could knock off? BobS: yes, Pam there are those out there that LUV to piss their peopleoff....TOO BAD there are so many of them rich: oh well, the Perils of Pamela; stay tuned for the next installment Pamela: That's Pauline to you! rich: Dale, you're very quiet - plotting something? Pamela: too quiet - makes me worry Guy B.: Maybe he and Jill are having dinner. rich: sort of come on and fade out? BobS: well, it IS his site after all Pamela: Probably doing something else at the same time rich: oh yes, he's definitely entitled Pamela: Which reminds me, I never got my e-mail with the butterscotch shake attached rich: yes, I'm sure his computer has enough memory to handle a LOT of multitasking Pamela: Oh, and while I think about it, there's a new virus out there - it rich: maybe he's loading it into memory now Pamela: 's an HTML entitled Homepage rich: did your anti-virus pick it up? Pamela: whatever you do, do not open it - it's another one that replicates itself and sends to everyone on your mailing list Pamela: I didn't get it, but Allyson did and she scanned it before opening - it didn't show up Guy B.: Yep, I got tow of those at work today. Fortunately our computer support dept alerted us to it earlier. Just deleted them right off. The anti-virus software we used alerted us. Pamela: tell everyone not to open it rich: there's another freebie anti-virus that will pick up those - it's from jinran or finran.com BobS: do they come as an attachment and no message????? Guy B.: By the way the attached file is a VBscript. Pamela: They are currently calling her Typhoid Allyson and debating whether to vote her off the floor BobS: been getting those lately; don't know the sender, so I just dump them rich: unfortunately it won't work on Win95 with USB port ability Pamela: unfortunately Dad? Guy B.: At least I didn't get it on my ISP. rich: well, I have Win95 and my motherboard has USB ports Pamela: Don't you mean fortunately? rich: not if it means I can't use useful software Guy B.: My new one also has two USB ports with Win95 OSR 2. Pamela: Didn't you say something about upgrading? rich: especially as USB is pretty useless under Win95 anyway rich: I'm still working on it - can't get answers I need about a motherboard Guy B.: By thw way. Good old Microsoft announced that WinXP will be released Oct. 25th. rich: sent emails to Taiwan, to the U.S,. office, phoned the local distributor - no dice Pamela: which one is that - Me with an attitude? rich: ME with a prying nose - you have to register it to boot it Guy B.: WinXP is using the Win2000 professional interface and it will be a home version and no more DOS with this one. rich: and get a secret code from Microsoft every time you crash and have to reinstall Pamela: brb folks, I'm having cat problems rich: did you notice Microsoft complaining about open source software? rich: not good for the computer industry, they claim Guy B.: They always complain about everything involving their own software. rich: why do I think their main gripe is it makes it hard to sell overpriced proprietary stuff? rich: Microsoft is definitely not open source rich: on the other hand, Linux is Guy B.: Then they push you to upgrade. rich: on the other hand, open source you have to track down the upgrades rich: though I must admit on my freebie viewer, they keep me posted about every revision Guy B.: Rich, if I'm right this is one of the reasons why they rejected the settlement from the Justice Dept. rich: don't follow the logic of that, Guy Pamela: I'm back rich: what were the cats up to? Pamela: trouble as usual Guy B.: Before the judge made his ruling. The Justice Dept. made an offer to Microsoft and one was they had to make the Windows source code available to any computer company that wanted to see it. Microsoft rejected it. rich: race night? Pamela: Willow has been trying to get onto the dining room table and he knows better - Russell's been yelling for an hour
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changed username to iRon rich: hello Ron iRon: Hey! Pamela: No, this has to do with the thyroid thing I think Pamela: Hi, Ron Guy B.: Ron's on the Mac tonight. How are you? iRon: good, well (but not wealthy) Pamela: will you settle for healthy and wise? BobS: Hi Ron Guy B.: How's the weather up there by you? iRon: yeah..... fer sure eh? iRon: Hi Bob Pamela: Hey Dad, some fog we had last night, wasn't it iRon: Anybody remember how to rebuild a TDOS system on an IDE hard drive? rich: yes, we weere at the Amiga meeting, and it was quite thick coming home iRon: mine's come over flaky Pamela: We couldn't even see the buildings on Weston Road only a block away iRon: Toronto the fog BobS: oh man Ronald....!!!!!! rich: well, you're quite close to teh Humber valley, and it's a real fog generator iRon: I know eh? BobS: got it written doen here somewhere BobS: as is everything elase iRon: got strange characters appearing in the directory rich: when I was working I often passed through there on my way to work Pamela: It certainly was last night rich: if there was going to be any fog anywhere on the trip, it was in the valley BobS: yup, trashed is what it is......... iRon: indeed it is Pamela: What did you do, Ron? iRon: left the damn thing unused for a period of time BobS: had that before mine crapped out and had to be reformatted and Zonk and you I belive told me it was just amatterof time Pamela: Ah, it's got the sulks BobS: finally it died, reformatted from the git-go and I am stillusing it today Pamela: I had a car like that iRon: That's what I was thinking.....seem to recall venerable Zonk talking about such thiings iRon: so somewhere around here I have some docs that will help.... I know there here.....question is.... iRon: where? Pamela: Snake pit, here you come iRon: If I can figure this out I might be of some help to James iRon: :) iRon: that's about it Pamela rich: right, he's playing around with a hard drive, isn't he? iRon: yep Pamela: I have to see this place some day iRon: trouble is, when you don't do a procedure for a long time, it tends to fade Pamela: Just for comparison with the Morgue at home rich: oh, it's no fun now that he's given away all the good stuff rich: course give him a few months and it will all be replaced Pamela: Then it should be even more fun iRon: Rich, (off topic), who's the MTAG Treasurer now? rich: have to ask Dale that, Ron - I wouldn't know iRon: ok. iRon: just sent money a week ago, wonder if he got it rich: I haven't had anything to do with MTAG for 10 years, so 'fraid I can't help iRon: ok Pamela: You're a man of few words tonite, Ron iRon: divided attention, sorry Dale: Ron, the new treasurer is Audry. Dale: She and I need to go to the bank and update the signature cards. Dale: We did get your membership renewal though. rich: sometimes that's the better way, Pam - despite your old man's bad examples iRon: ok well she should have received a cheque for $70. from me Pamela: brb folks Dale: We got it alright. iRon: to replace the stale dated on plus this year's membership iRon: good rich: Dale, what does it mean when someone is knocking on my port 3042? Guy B.: Well gang, I'm going to get going here. I won't be able to mae it on Saturday. Have to work and I won't get home until after 2:00. But, I'll try. iRon: Work? iRon: strange concept rich: OK Guiy, I'll do the usual thing iRon: take care Guy Dale: We found your old cheque at the February meeting, when we were reviewing the mail. It had gotten misplaced in the fall. Guy B.: We've been bombarded and now restarting overtime. iRon: ok. So you can tear that one up and use the current one Dale: TTY: Guy. rich: guess you need your rest then - nite, Guy
Guy B. left chat session rich: Dale, I've had two probes on my ports so far tonight - that isn't your server, is it? Dale: I'll look up 3042. iRon: right after 3041 iRon: (somebody had to say it) rich: it was from an ISP with first number 203 - I didn't bother to log it iRon: New Joisey beat iRon: Toronto iRon: 5-1 rich: am I supposed to cheer or cry? iRon: you are supposed to cry rich: as a New Jersey native residing in Toronto? iRon: but only if you're a fan of the Maple Laughs Dale: Cry please. iRon: keep forgetting about that Rich rich: trust me, Harold Ballard cured me of any interest in any form of hockey Pamela: Excuse me - I'm monitoring here - I don't see the Canucks doing so hot, Ron iRon: true Pamela but..... Pamela: . . . iRon: we have lower expectations of anything on the west side of the Rockies rich: how are the Raptors doing? iRon: no idea Pamela: They lost tonite too, but their story isn't over Pamela: Kimberly's here, Dad rich: hello Kimberly! Pamela: She was filling me in on the West Wing plot for tonite Pamela: She says hi Dad rich: see the NTN car and driver did very well on their first outing rich: that's the Toyota Atlantic entry with Johnathan Macri Pamela: They haven't brought it by CB yet this year - do you want another poster if available? rich: poster I have no place for - mouse pad I'd consider Dale: It is set aside for "journee" -- but it is most likely a Sub 7 style viurus program that they are looking for. Pamela: She'll keep that in mind rich: you mean the probe was trying to trigger a pre-planted virus? Pamela: that would be nasty rich: sometimes I record the attacking URLs - they can be quite strange BobS: not just nasty, but downright BAD rich: ron, you're running Zone Alarm, aren't you? iRon: that I am, sir rich: do you ever bother to log the source of a probe? iRon: and a fine program it is iRon: no. First time or two I tried it I went and had a look, but after that I did not iRon: sorta take the attitude, 'you ain't gettin in, so I don't care who you are' rich: I usually like to try a reverse lookup using Whois at Internic and only go for the URL if that fails rich: oh, I know they aren't getting in, but I'm curious who's trying iRon: there are all sorts of life forms out there with evil intent. They have their lives, I have mine rich: the last one I tried was utong.com - a Chinese or Japanese site rich: looking for a drive full of nucklear secrets, maybe? Pamela: isn't that nucular, Dad Dale: Sub 7 is an interesting virus. It allows the victim's computer to be controlled remotely... Pamela: bad and nasty! rich: is that the tyope used in DOS attacks? Dale: The victim's computer can be requested to launch particular programs, do a desktop snapshop (when is sent to the controller) ... rich: aha - do they use it in spyware like Aureat or Comet Cursor? Dale: take a picture with any attached webcam, and put up dialog with a message. iRon: My web cam is aimed at the wall Pamela: Is there anything interesting there Ron? iRon: and besides, it's attached to the iMac iRon: nah Dale: No the Denial of Service (DOS) is different. Dale: So I've read of one fanmous attack, where... rich: I gather that a malicious website can sneak in a Sub-7 in a graphic or hidden script now
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changed username to james rich: welcome back - where you been, james? Pamela: James is back - where'd you go James? james: morning all. fashionably late as usual :) iRon: Hi James Dale: Someone installed Sub 7. It send a confirmation to the controller... iRon: How ya making out with the hard drive? james: so so. lots of questions actually. did you see my post to the group? Pamela: Dale, type faster - I'm dying of curiosity over here james: test Pamela: you're here, James Dale: The controller found a web cam, and took a snapshop of the desktop, and of the room the victim was in. Pamela: And??? iRon: Pamela! Pamela: What iRon: curiosity killed the c iRon: at Dale: The picture showed (I've seen it) that the was a guy at a computer and his girlfriend on a couch reading a magazine. Dale: The desktop showed that he was surfing porn. Pamela: see Ron, satisfaction brought him back iRon: :) BobS: James, did you digest the documentaion I sent with the hd? iRon: brb.... Dale: So, they put up a message which said "If I had a grilfriend like you do, I would surf porn." rich: james, maybe Dale can help with your question james: yes but i still haven't been able to make effective use of it. i hooked it up np and was looking at stuff through tdos Dale: The next webcam shot show the guy with a shocked look on his face. <grin> james: there was nothing on the the other drives though. just a: Pamela: Does a Sub 7 only work if a web cam is present? james: what's a sub 7? Pamela: Virus Dale: That should read "If I had a girlfriend like yours I WOULDN'T surf porn." BobS: in TDOS, I assume we are talking..... Pamela: I didn't know until tonite either James james: yes, in tdos Dale: Either way he was quite confused that his computer had opinions about what he was doing. BobS: treat the other drives b,c,&d just as you would any disk drive ro tape drive, you can write to them or read form the, copy, etc BobS: just like aibm machine Pamela: and they say computers don't have a personality james: yeah, there's no problem there james: what's with the "volumes"? ie: a0 - a9, b0-b9 etc? i see how they work, but why? BobS: TDOS is a complete mimic of the ibm world BobS: simply different user areas within each lettered drive james: okay. yeah, i noticed they just share the available partition space BobS: you may use them OR just use a0: for everything and b0: for a lot more, etc iRon: James, volumes 0 thru 9 are intended for EOS use only. When you set up the hard drive with partitioning software Dale: Sub 7 does work without the victim having a webcam, but you can't guage the end user's reaction, other than with desktop captures. I think that most perps are looking to do non-destructive mischief, and want to see the reaction. iRon: the choice is made there as to how many EOS volumes you want (and 0 is not an option) BobS: RIGHT Pamela: Gotcha Pamela: Thank you james: okay, i'm still looking through tdos though. iRon: Basically from that point onward, part of the drive is partitioned for EOS use and the remainder is for TDOS Dale: James, it is a0: to a31: instead of sub directories it is user areas. rich: still, it would be fun to have some sort of booby trap for those attacks james: okay, so when i boot up the drive, is what i'm looking at eos? iRon: Now that's what confuses me, because the boot block for TDOS is located in Volume 0 of EOS Dale: The Adam is from before the "invention" of sub-directories" -- at least on small systems. Dale: And by and large on large systems too. iRon: wait till I fire up mine on the other side of the room rich: can one have user areas in Windows? rich: wait - I think I know - the answer is yes BobS: well Ron. you can't GET to TDOS unless youhave the boot file on the EOS side of the hd to boot you INTO TDOS iRon: Is that the screen headed MI Hard Disk V3.9 ?? rich: the EOS part of a hard drive is limited to one meg per partition, isn't it? iRon: that's right Bob james: yeah, that's what i think i'm talking about BobS: I think so Richard iRon: Ok, that's basically your jump off to running whatever EOS software you have installed iRon: called it a shell of sorts james: okay then next question - is there any overlap of eos and tdos partitions? iRon: nope. All separate BobS: NO james: glad to hear that. i was getting very confused james: more questions to come: rich: as they say, just like DOS - one bootable C partition can't see any other bottable Cs iRon: if you have 10 EOS volumes, you have a 10 meg allocation for EOS, and the rest of the drive is TDOS james: every time i tried to switch to "volume 1" in the hd boot screen, i'd use SK1, it'd say volume 1, then if i used Dale: James, with the CD command, you can name the areas and jump to them (change directory). james: sk3 - boot from hd, it would always go back to 0. does that mean there is no volume 1? iRon: nothing installed in Volume 3 that's bootable james: yeah, i figured out tdos very quickely actually :) iRon: now here's the trick iRon: in order to switch to another volume (other than 0), you have to have something there you can boot (or... you can access it from SmartBASIC) iRon: however Dale: Bob, you can boot straight to the TDOS partition from floppy. iRon: the boot block actually has to be located inlogical drive 0 in order to work james: okay. so how do i (for example) put smartlogo on volume1? i noticed that there is a smartlogo boot block on my volume 0 Dale: It could theoretically be done from the boot PROM. There is one minie-winnie system that has the SmartWRITER ROM replaced with TDOS-HD boot code. iRon: if the Doc that Bob sent you are the ones I think they are, they should tell you how to install EOS software BobS: right Dale, but ol' James here has the plain vanilla version james: not really. they just say that there are a bunch of patches and docs on drive d:, which was very empty iRon: you would copy Smart Logo (except for Block 0 of the floppy) onto Volume 1 (using Filemanager) BobS: James, use FILEMANAGE from volume 0 on the HD to copy smartlogo files onto Volume 1 iRon: then you would copy Block 0 of the floppy to Logical Drive 0. However....with SmartLogo there is another something, trying to remember james: i see, just copy blocks 1-255 or whatever to volume 1? BobS: NO, copy the FILES james: thanks bob - i figured that one out too :) special hd version of filemanager on there :) iRon: Ok.... then you need the paper that went with it iRon: Have it here I think....again....where rich: don't you have to change the drive address in the boot block? Dale: I have everything needed to install an IDE setup from scratch. EOS and TDOS... BobS: the BOOT block is already on volume 0 iRon: yeah right Bob.... they're already there rich: now explain how to install Powerpaint on the hard disc BobS: nope!! the drive addrwess ias changed when you use SK! to get to your log volume (#1); then hit SK3 to boot the BOOTlogo file Dale: We did it at MTAG over Sept, Oct and Nov last year when we replaced the MTAG demo system harddrive. iRon: James, if you look at volume 0 with Filemanager, it'll show you all the files. Any file that begins with "BOOT......" is a boot block for a program installed iRon: somewhere else BobS: oh. powerpaint.USE IT ON DISK rich: Dr. D. can make it work on a hadr disc iRon: like BOOTLOGO/6 is the bootblock for smart logo which I have installed on Volume 6 james: i'll give it a try later. so is that right - copy all the blocks to volume 1 except the boot block, then boot from volume 0? BobS: but YOU must install your PAID FOR version onto the volume you want james: i have *two* paid for versions, boxes and everything :D BobS: copy the FILES !!!! rich: I think Bobn's referring to Powerpaint BobS: the HD directory is already ther in volume 1 iRon: basically yes James, but when you boot from drive make sure you use SK-1 to select the volume you want to go to james: yeah. i'm still gearing up. things take a little longer to come to me in the morning. iRon: then you run your boot block BobS: it just needs names and data james: okay, that makes sense, ron. thanks. now, how do i determine how many eos volumes i actually have available? james: brb.. iRon: hit smartkey1 several times, you'll see the volume number changing iRon: when you get back to 0 you're done BobS: ron, IF james copies blocks onto a volume; he will screw upthe volume directoryand not get the thing working, eh? iRon: ummm..... yeah, good point Bob iRon: what he actually has to do is copy the FILES to the volume iRon: not the blocks iRon: my erropr iRon: error iRon: that will preserve whatever directory structure is there iRon: hope he's not actually doing this iRon: JAMES !! james: sorry, nature called. iRon: stop whatever the hell you're doing and get back here..... rich: think you're toov late, Ron iRon: ok ok BobS: hope all is well...... ;-) BobS: now. Ronald........ iRon: James, I mislead you.... don't copy blocks to your intended directory/volume... copy files james: okay iRon: and as Bob says, they're alreadythere so you don't have to worry james: okay, but something like smartlogo, i noticed there are files in the directory but is there an actual smartlogo prog file? rich: yes, it's BASICPZROG or something similar BobS: one of them is, don't know which...... iRon: Yup... if you look at it with Filemanager you'll see it, it's LOG 0 iRon: the 0 being shown where the file attribute normall y is james: hmm. because i seem to remember trying this before - using fileman to copy all the files from the smartlogo tape, then iRon: it's about 48 blocks or something like that rich: that's the directory name, Ron, not the program, isn't it? Dale: The prog file for SmartLOGO is called "LOGO" james: using sk1 to move to volume 1 etc and it just put be back to volume 0 iRon: that's the directory name which points to the actual location of the LOGO program on the media BobS: now, JAMES!!!!! the EOS part of the HD is actually know to the ADAM as tape drive B: ..........do when you using SK1 to select a volume, iRon: ok, so it went from 0 to 1 and back to 0? james: hmm. is that because i didn't change anything to bootlogo on volume 0? BobS: you are actually doing the same as changing tapes to use james: no, it stayed at 1 but then when i used SK3 "boot from hd", it bounced me back to 0 iRon: you only have 2 volumes? james: no, i have 10 volumes (0-9) iRon: ok iRon: that would have been a little strange iRon: possible, but strange james: but *after* i used sk1 to change to volume 1, i used sk3 and it kept bringing me back to volume 0 iRon: do you have the LOGO files copied to volume 1? james: i did yes. iRon: hmmmm... iRon: sec brb james: do i need to set "BOOTLOGO" in volume 0 to point at volume 1? rich: I think I've seen documentation that says that Pamela: well folks, since you all are talking tech, I think I shall depart james: it would make sense, i mean it has to know where to boot it from james: oh pam - thanks for the pictures! rich: ok Pam, see you anon. Your pix are here for pickup whenever Pamela: You're welcome, James - they came out alright? james: they look good :) i hope to have webpages up with the entire trip soon. rich: pity they don't show the glass floor Pamela: I will be there to observe. Dad, I will pick up the pictures sometime in the next few days I hope. rich: OK, see you when you come by. Nite now Pamela: I wasn't brave enough to take the floor itself Pamela: James, say hi to everyone for me. I going to bed james: good night pam :) Pamela: Goodnite everyone, see you next week Pamela: poof
Pamela left chat session iRon: It knows where to boot from James, because when you select the BOOTLOGO file you have VOLUME 1 selected at the top james: okay, then something isn't working because that's exactly what i've done. iRon: for some reason, the BOOTLOGO file in vol 0 isn't doing it's job rich: I think I'd better stand aside while you experts sort things out james: unless i'm just confused. rich: going out to one of our Old Farts lunches tomorrow rich: so I shall sign off - nite all james: let's say i copy the logo files to volume 1 as we've said iRon: well it could be corrupted, but to answer your earlier question, james: good night rich!
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changed username to BobS iRon: so far as I know there's nothing to do to that BOOTLOGO file james: when i use sk3 to "boot from hd" should i see volume 1 or volume 0? rich: -30- iRon: volume 1 iRon: niters Rich
rich left chat session james: and what would i see? BobS: well I back iRon: sec iRon: ok you've hit sk-1 to select volume 1, then sk-3 to boot fromhard disk BobS: file called BOOTLOGO james: dale - does an ide zip drive need specific drivers or can i just hook it up and expect it to work like a hard drive? iRon: you should then see a list of files james: ron, that's right. now what happens is that it goes back to volume 0 and i see the same list of files as when i boot james: the hard drive iRon: which are the programs you can boot from there. Nothing else should show up james: that's right. but is what i should be seeing, volume 1 and a list of the logo files? iRon: so you move your pointer to the BOOTLOGO file and hit return? james: i think i tried this and it just sat there stupidly. iRon: no.... you are still in volume 0 at this point and you're going to select a file in volume 0 which is only 1 block long, that file will get you to the L:OGO boot screen james: so i should be seing volume 0 or volume 1? iRon: vol 0 iRon: what else do you see there beside the BOOT LOGO file? Dale: To start LOGO from the harddisk I use 2 files: a boot loader (I call BootLogo type 02 or ^B or smile face), and LOGO (no type or LOG type O). iRon: that's right Dale, and the boot loader is the file whose name appears in volume 0 james: lots of stuff, BOOTCALC, SMARTBasic etc. iRon: ok, that's good iRon: and BOOTLOGO, right? Or some variant thereof james: ah, okay, so it is working. how would one actually go about then getting a file list of volumes other than 0? james: yes, BOOTLOGO is there Dale: My setup is custom, baecause I wrote almost all of my own boot loaders. iRon: using Filemanager James, because all you're seeing on the BOOTABLE progrrams list are system boot loaders.There may be other files there too iRon: with Filemanger you can see them all james: ah, okay. will try that! i'm *alot* less confused now! iRon: hopefully James I'll know a little more about this in a day or so.... my ADAM has gone flaky and I'm gonna have to re-install the whole thing Dale: The boot loaders (or the progam if it doesn't require a boot loader), then the program goes in the data partition. iRon: forgotten a lot of how to do it iRon: but by the time I'm finished I should have recalled it all iRon: another thing James.... james: thanks ron :) james: how are you powering your adam btw? iRon: unless your version of LOGO has been patched Dale: Think of partition 0 at the system partiton, and the others as data partitions. iRon: you're going to find that you can't get back to the shell from SmartLOGO iRon: SmartLOGO has re-written some of the OS addresses above 53000 and doesn't work quite the same way as the normal ADAM setup BobS: hey troups. see ya next week,eh? Dale: I might actually use 3 files. The boot loader, the boot block as a file in the data partition, and the LOGO file itself in the data partition.
BobS left chat session iRon: so there's a patch for that too iRon: niters Bob james: okay bob :) iRon: that would be a neater wayto do it Dale.The trouble with the setup we've got is that it's not consistent from one program to another iRon: Powerpaint is another example iRon: Some of the programs (like Filemanager andSmart Basic) you just copy right into Volume 0 and they work from there iRon: just saw your question above re power to the ADAM..... mine has a standard power supply iRon: and that might have to change Dale: It all depends on whether the program itself depends on some setup done in SmartLOGO. james: by standard you mean the smartwriter printer? iRon: with the Minnie Winnie hard drive, the standard ADAM supply is not adequate iRon: yup iRon: printer james: okay, i've got a web page for you then :) just finished it last night. detailed explanation of how to hook up your adam james: to a standard PC power supply :D james: no soldering required. Dale: If all programs were more like SmartBASIC, and put all of their initialization in the program itself, it would be easier. iRon: tgo the url iRon: exactly Dale Dale: But MacAdam, SmartLOGO and a few others aren't like that. james: i'm uploading the pages now :) give me about 3 minutes ;) Dale: I think maybe the boot block for SmartLOGO that I made used the 3 files I mentioned. iRon: is that something that the rest of us could install Dale? iRon: That's the beauty about standards. There are so many to choose from! Dale: Sure Ron. But I understood that everyone else uses the one written by Tom C (or something like that). iRon: Had my first crash with OS X yesterday. And my second today iRon: yes, Dale, that's the one's were using but if you've got something better and more consistent.... iRon: we can talk more about that at the 'con Dale: Uh oh. Ron I thought that OS X wasn't supposed to crash, just the GUI on top (which is mostly the same I guess). iRon: (assuming you'll be able to make it) iRon: No Dale, as usual I'm the author of my own misfortune. I wouldn't blame this on the OS iRon: but when I'm finished doing stuff to computer software that ain't supposed to be done....I'm gonna write a book Dale: PowerPaint is a real challenge, but Rich D changed PowerPaint so that it wasn't quite as dependent on the block numbers. iRon: yeah... I have his Powerpaint here, it will at least return you SmartBasic iRon: and from there you can get back home iRon: he tried last 'con to get my system to reboot to the EOS volume 0, but we didn't get it done iRon: Sometimes I think that computer companies have no real concept about what users can do to Software....especially hobbyist users james: http://sceneon.tv/~yoshi/adam/adamfrm.htm james: pages are up ron :) iRon: hold that Dale: As for LOGO, I never figured out how to get Shift-UNDO to go back the the Hard disk menu... james: if i run logo from the hard drive will the sound be gone? iRon: got it Dale: but if you type .call 64353 (I'd have to look up the number, but it goes to SmartWRITER where shift-UNDO works). james: did you see the pages ron? iRon: no, Dale, alls I did on that one was to write a small LOGO procedure that basically called the Smartwriter address Dale: James, I don't remember. but only if LOGO uses the system sound facility. iRon: the jump to Smartwriter I mean Dale: I did that procedure for Herman. And put it in the startup file. iRon: sec going there now iRon: Great minds james: so if logo has its own sound routines, it'll work then james: test Dale: We're still here, I think. Dale: Except for Ron who has escaped for a moment. james: okay. was quiet there for a bit so i was just wondering james: dale, did you see my question earlier about ide zip drives? james: you okay there ron? iRon: nah......I've got this damned French Canadian keyboard installed on my Mac, and I don't know where the tilde is....will have to try later iRon: keep getting accents Dale: No James, I must have missed it. Dale: What was the question? iRon: anyway, will check out the site james: why don't you just cut and paste the page from this window, here you go: james: http://sceneon.tv/~yoshi/adam/adamfrm.htm iRon: these things that are always readily apparent to someone else don't always occur to me James.. but yes, that's what i've done james: okay, he's had lots of time to cut and paste. iRon: I'm 57 after all james: not that we're counting ;) iRon: grey cells are beginning to die Dale: James, you say on your site "Chats are held every week at 21:00 E.S.T. Join us!" but you don't mention the day of the week! james: yeah, don't they grow out? ;) that's where grey hair comes from, no? james: oh f***. you know i've read that countless times thinking "something's not there". now i know! Dale: I've noticed it before, but I haven't gotten around to emailing you about it. james: dale you there? james: okay, i'm going to fix it right now while i'm thinking of it. it's wednesday over there right? iRon: yes iRon: for a while yet iRon: although Dale has pretty much kicked the hell out of Wed Dale: James, what was the ZIP disk question? Dale: Ron are you stealing my Wednesday? iRon: oh there we are.....ya learnsomething new every day iRon: all i had to do was command-option-space. and presto - instant US keyboard iRon: now I got your site James Dale: Much better James. iRon: nice pics....very crisp iRon: got the article james: dale - can i hook up an ide zip drive as is or do i need some kind of special drivers/patch to use it with the adam? james: cool. which pics were you looking at ron? Dale: You need a yet to be written driver unfortunately. iRon: the one that says "Connecting a PC Power Supply" Dale: But physically it is just standard Adam parts. iRon: I like that....."mechanically defunct ballast" james: ah okay. i'm nowhere near that far that i could write a driver. iRon: somebody finally said it james: :D iRon: There's a good session for you Dale, for a Con..... "How to write a driver:" iRon: enquiring minds want to know Dale: Well, I started writing it months ago, based on Guy's suggestion, but haven't looked at it in a while. iRon: Nothing more confusing that going back to code that you've left for a few months Dale: Well, I don't know what to talk about at AdamCon, since Rich D suggested that the sessions sohuld be different than the usual. james: wish i could be in cleveland with you guys. iRon: Well done article James Dale: Guy Bona pointed out that ne 100MB IDE ZIP drives are now dirt cheap to buy new now. Dale: So I went and bought one. iRon: after hours chat maybe Dale: My code doesn'gt do very much, and what it does do is pertty well documented. iRon: yeah, somebody actually gave me one iRon: it's a parallel to.... should work right off ADAM's parallel printer connector james: thanks. i'm going to add a reference page to it today - pictures of ports etc and what to do if your printer wires are different. iRon: sounds good james: ron, don't think that will work. you need a bidirectional parallel port for zip drives. iRon: wonder what would happen if I went to Iomega and asked them to prepare a coleco parallel driver Dale: I was thinking of doing a multipart workshop on interfacing the Adam to external devices through the parallel port, maybe... iRon: I'd like that Dale Dale: But such a design is not yet ready. I've been working on it lately. iRon: well..... ADAMcon 14 maybe iRon: or is that 0E james: can we have a con in vancouver? i could probably make it to that. iRon: don't count it out James.....Bob and Judy Slopsema want to come west again iRon: it's distinctly within the realm of possibility iRon: and if you could come, we would build it iRon: Alls we need is a customer in Vancouver for Dale james: well, i'd like to make it to one. i was thinking too, in 2003, that's adam's 20th isn't it? Dale: Iomega's policy is that Coleco should add the support. (ie the manufacturer). iRon: thot so Dale.....sounds suitably 'corporate' james: so call coleco and ask them what they're waiting for ;) iRon: let's see.... we get Scott to do 2002, and then here in 2003 iRon: Scott wanted to do one, although I don't know how serious he is james: where is scott? iRon: We're down to the 'base' crowd now who'll go most anywhere iRon: 20 folk or so james: heck, we could have it here :D iRon: Arizona I think iRon: I'd LOVE that...... would need time to save my scheckles Dale: Hard to say. But I've always thought that West coast Cons could have attracted a crowd in the heavy user group days. james: if it were in vancouver, i could work it in on the way to my parents' place in ottawa. iRon: They would have Dale, between Vancouver Island, California and Utah Dale: Scott emailed me when he finished classes. iRon: but not any more Dale: He was on the chat recently. He is in Colorado. Not too far from the wast coast. iRon: well we'll have to keep that in the plan eh? iRon: yeah, that's it Colorado iRon: we had the UK rep from Croydon England at ADAMCON 4....(can't remember the name)... james: japan would be fun but i don't think we'd get a large crowd. iRon: so every 12 to 15 years we invite somebody from 'away' Dale: So what do you think the big thing is going to be for AdamCon? Dale: Probably the robots. iRon: hard to say Dale...... I like Richard's idea of 'rediscovering what we really liked about ADAM'....don't know how it's going to play in practice iRon: expect there'll be robots yes Dale: What ever happened to Gene Welch? I haven't heard from him in a while. iRon: last I heard was probably a year ago last Christmas..... he was talking about putting in a XmAS card submission iRon: that's the last I heard Dale: Ron, have you thought about presenting? james: oh yeah, i'm still in need of hacker's helper series publications. dale, do you hvae rights to print those? james: i know where i could get them np, but i prefer not to go that route. iRon: Think Rich Drushel has crossed the usual gang of folk off the list for this year...... I will if asked, but I don't thing I'm going to be asked iRon: thin iRon: think Dale: I don't know hacker's helper. Who is that by? iRon: gotta get a new keyboard Dale: Maybe you mean another publication? james: mel ostler. iRon: um...... gent in New Mexico james: yeah. is he still there? tried looking him up without much luck. iRon: geez.....name's gone.....see what I mean James about brain cells? Dale: Right, I do have permission for Mel Osler's works, but I only have originals of some of them. He wasw thinking of sending me the disks with the contents... Dale: but he never found them. iRon: that's him. Mel Dale: I'll try to remember to look around for which ones I have. iRon: Think I may have one or two james: okay, i only have one of the publications and i could *really* use the others. been a year now since i've talked about doing james: stuff in machine language and i still know nothing. iRon: I have books on CP/M, Z80 assembler, and everythhing since....... still on the to do list Dale: I have "How to write with Adam" and I think "How to read with Adam" or "How to draw with Adam". james: can mel still be reached? james: dale - i have none of those. can you copy them for me? i can pay you via pay pal for the copy, etc.. Dale: James, check out the link to Thomas Shearer's Z80 Home. It has lots of resources. james: i only have hacker's helper volume 1 or something like that. Dale: Compare with my documentation on http://www.adamcon.org/~dmwick/mayan/ james: okay. still i like hardcopy stuff. it lasts longer and is alot easier to read. iRon: That's a generational thing James....I'm with you Dale: Thomas' site is linked to from my pointers page: http://www.adamcon.org/~dmwick/adam/ james: thanks dale :) iRon: it's going to take a full generation to get people used to reading stuff online Dale: You can print it out if you are sufficiently motivated. But Mel's stuff gently guides you thorugh an introduction to all of that. iRon: Apple is now infuriatingly eliminating all their paper manuals james: probably. that and i find hardcopy bound materials more convenient. iRon: you're a teacher, of course james: exactly why i want mel's stuff Dale: Which publications do you have? iRon: brb james: i've got .. lemmie see (stuff's over at the school).. hackers helper vol 1 and the ann thing Dale: EOS programmer's guide? james: i've got macadam manual on a floppy somewhere and as soon as i get a printer i plan on printing it off. oh yeah, i have a Dale: Hackers Helper Vol 1? Does it have a subtitle? james: 5.25" drive on my pc now too. hmm.. should look at that again. james: it probably has a subtitle but i can't remember. brb. Dale: I have lots of MacAdam stuff. Sample programs, and Hard Disk installation information. james: cool. i may need that stuff, but first i want to write basic z80 progs. don't even know what to use to do that yet. iRon: Nope...no joy, I know they're here somewhere Dale: MacAdam is a good place to start. It is easy to use (the manual is not very well translated). Dale: It took me a long time to figure out that octet means byte. iRon: Where did that software originate Dale? Dale: It was written by CBS (in France) for the CBS Adam (the French version of the Adam). iRon: ok Dale: So the original docs for it are in French. iRon: which would not be out of the way for me to read.....don't think I ever saw the original version iRon: Not as fluent as I used to be, but could get by Dale: Making a basic Z80 program in MacAdam is quick because it has an integrated editor/assembler. iRon: exactly. iRon: Another 'to do list' item Dale: Ron Collins had them. They may still be on CompuServe. Just a thought. iRon: awaiting ' iRon: roundtuits Dale: Yeah, we really need to catch up on our ne3wsletters in MTAG. iRon: can go and check, although CIS has now farmed off all the 'classic' computers james: okay, i'm back from the school. i have "the hacker's guide to adam" and ann's "eos programmer's manual". that's it. Dale: What happen to the downloads section? james: hmm. the original macadam manual is in french? i could definitely use that. Dale: Completely different from the Mel Osler publications I have. iRon: not sure Dale....haven't been there in months, but last I looked, they'd combined it with the other 'vintage' stuff iRon: So far as I know Rob Friedman still has it all though james: really, we should get permission and put all of this stuff online. james: test
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changed username to james Dale: It is mostly a matter of actually doing the putting online. james: we here now? iRon: but we need a place to centralize it james: i got booted iRon: story as always with ADAM Dale: I've tried for ages to publish all ofthe ANNs on line, but it takes time. iRon: and you're a working stiff Dale, you have other priorities james: i can do it. Dale: As for files I ahve published, there is the issue of how to get them on the Adam. Dale: I have a whole collection of files for SmartBASIC, but how do you download them and run them on the Adam? james: dale, can i get those mel publications from you? are you allowed to copy them? james: hmm.. a lynx browser for the adam would be cool. we make sure those pages are text only and download them directly from the adma Dale: Previously I had a dial up connection for my Adam through CIS, where I could downlaod stuff from my shell account. james: of course, you'd need shell access from your provider
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changed username to scott iRon: wonder if they do that any more scott: Hi Dale iRon: Hey Scott! james: some providers will. some won't. james: hey scott :) iRon: mine basically told me to get stuffed scott: Sorry to arrive so late scott: I was in class... iRon: better late than not at all scott: Get this: I'm taking a Maymester course, Intro to the Internet. Dale: Hi Scott. iRon: you're kidding! scott: Not that I need an Intro course for the Internet, but I need credits. iRon: ok...that makes sense scott: I'm planning to get a second degree from the community college Dale: James, I can do that. Now I just have to locate them. :-( iRon: good for you Scott scott: And they want me to obtain an additional 15 credit hours in order to get the second degree. james: okay. it'd be doing me a big favour if you could. iRon: are you on Central time Scott? scott: It's a lot of fun. Instructor's fabulous. Even I am getting something out of the course. scott: I'm not paying for it, so as long as it's free, why not, right??? iRon: sure scott: I'm on Mountain time, dude. Dale: Really I test all of my pages on adamcon.org for usability on the Adam with qterm and Lynx. iRon: ok, wasn't sure... scott: Dale -- did you receive my e-mail? james: you mean there is an adam lynx? Dale: That's why Scott doesn't like them, they aren't flashy enough. Too drab. Right Scott. scott: I'm very busy at the moment, but I do want to get going again on the Ultra Mutt project. iRon: Here I use Qterm to access a community net that still allows shell access scott: Right, Dale. iRon: then they have Lynx on their server james: oh yeah. duh. now i remember. iRon: trick is finding someone who still offers Lynx as an option scott: Dale, I've taken a peek at your Mayan code again. Dale: Scott, I lost some email today. I was trying to download them to my new laptop... scott: When I get some free time, I will disect it more and create some ROM images for test. james: ron, you going to try the stuff on my web page? scott: I have a digital editing project on the side that will net me some extra cash, so unfortunately the ADAM stuff is on hold. iRon: sounds like a plan Dale: I forgot to copy over my configuration, and lost some email today. scott: I will resend it. scott: No problem. james: feel free to e-mail or call me with any questions. Dale: Scott are you coming to AdamCon? Dale: It is July 12-15 in Cleveland OH. scott: I am waiting on my CISCO teacher to determine whether or not I'll be able to attend. iRon: :) iRon: just sitting here thinking.....it's nice to be retired scott: Need to see if there's any major tests around that timeframe or whether we could work something out. scott: Money is not a factor. iRon: sure would be nice to meet you Scott scott: I haven't taken a CISCO class before, so I'm a little hesitant towards committing at the moment. scott: Remember - it was school that kept me away from the last ADAMCon. scott: I'm trying not to repeat that this summer. scott: Should be able to find a cheap ticket on priceline.com to get to Cleveland. james: ron, i'm going to try that logo to hardisk thing today. do i need to patch anything in logo to make it work? iRon: Anyway guys..... I'm gonna go and minister to my flaky ADAM iRon: see if I can screw up the hard drive in some new and unusual fashion scott: Dale - I would love to see your development environment in Linux. Dale: I hope you can make it. If you can get the right price, you could fly out Friday afternoon, and fly back Sunday before the banquet. Dale: Do you use Linux now? iRon: Nope James, it should work as you have it, but shoot me an e-mail if there are any problems james: okay. if you have any probs with the power supply thing, let me know :) iRon: right scott: Yes, I use Mandrake Linux on an old Pentium box that I have stuck in the corner. Dale: No you don't need to patch anything in LOGO. iRon: niters all james: i'm going to take off now too! talk to you all next week! Dale: Just copy the file "LOGO" to your data partition. scott: Helped me get through those long Unix homework assignments. james: dale, if you can, the manuals would really, really, really, really be appreciated :) james: thanks dale, ron. iRon: :)
iRon left chat session Dale: And figure out about the other two files. Maybe try putting them all on partition 0 to start. james: other two files? scott: My Unix/Linux System Admin class begins in the Fall. I should really turn a corner then. scott: Delayed *goodbye* to Ron. Dale: The bootlogo type file/files. james: okay, yeah, that's there already. scott: Dale: What did you study at the University of Waterloo? Dale: Mandrake. It works pretty good. james: bye all! Dale: Bye for now james. james: *poof* Dale: I'll try and lokace those. scott: Night, James. james: *poof* again :) scott: Will pickup Red Hat shortly.
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I'm hoping to make a success in business, then I'll have time and money to do a masters. scott: Or double majoring in both areas. scott: Gotcha. scott: I've very high on education at the moment, so the more that I can absorb the better. Dale: The hardest program is CS triple E (Computer Science with Electrical Enginering Electives). scott: It's also an incentive since my company is paying my tuition 100%. scott: That's what I'd like to take through Berkeley. scott: EE with CS. Dale: I'm interested in a masters in Computer Graphics, or Music with an Electro Acoustic slant or maybe a MBA (with a mass market slant). scott: But I probrably won't get my Bachelors from there. scott: Most likely I'll pursue a Masters from Berkeley. scott: That is, IF I can get accepted. scott: It's only time, right? scott: In my first year back in school I've taken 10 classes and have received straight A's. Dale: Mandrake takes whatever Red Hat produces and tunes and configures it better. That is what they release. scott: I'm very happy with what I've accomplished in such a small amount of time. scott: But as we both know, there's a long way to go... Dale: That's definately an accomplishment. scott: Great. So I have a very capable OS environment. scott: I've been playing with ADAMEm more and I like it a lot. scott: I'd like to build some tools that can utilize ADAMEm. Dale: I've used in a real sense: Slackware, Red Hat, Mandrake, Corel Linux and Debian. scott: That is why I am presently studying it. scott: How's Corel? I also have a flavor of that... Dale: I've tried briefly OpenLinux as well. Dale: Corel Linux is a dream if you have the right hardware. Mandrake is almost as easy to install. scott: Right now I'm having a problem with Mandrake recognizing my video card. Dale: A perpetual problem. What card is it? scott: Although I go through a graphical setup, it won't let me select my Trident card, not even as a generic display card. scott: Is there a utility that I can use to correct this? scott: Right now everything is from the command line. No X-Windows :( Dale: Well, these things can be tricky. You can always to it manually. scott: What should I look up in the man pages? scott: Any particular utility? Dale: Let me think, I think that xf86config (which is a non-graphical interface) is available under Mandrake. scott: My father seems to have also encountered this problem in the early going and also may know a work around. scott: He still owes us some information about manufacturing the interface boards. Dale: Did he ever get my email? scott: He hasn't mentioned it to me. scott: Did you e-mail his TRW address? Dale: I prepared (many months ago) a list of questions I? needed answered. I think I sent it. I don't remember any more. scott: If you send the e-mail to me, I will forward it on to his TRW address, that way you don't appear to be pestering him at work. scott: He's been slow to do anything ADAM-related. scott: He has gotten my equipment working. Dale: For a reasonably good reason, I feel. Dale: That's good at least. Dale: How fresh are your electronics skills right now? scott: Recently he helped me do some reconfiguration of TDOS on my hardrive. scott: My electronic skills? scott: As in hardware? scott: As in assembling circuit boards? Dale: I'm working on a project to computer control lights through the parallel port. scott: Wasn't that done by Mihn Ta from the AWAUG group awhile ago? Dale: Do you have any suggestions? I'm planning to have about 150 lights controled by addressing them through the parallel port. scott: No, my mistake. Different interface? scott: I'm not really a hardware guy. This is an area I'd like to learn more about, but I'm not at that level yet. Dale: You can of course do it using an X-10 controller hooked up to the serial port, but it isn't fast enough, and can only control 99 different lights... scott: My dad would be the best person to ask that. scott: Is this for home security? Dale: besides the control boxes are too expensive. I'm hoping to spend at most $2 on each light. scott: You mention parallel port. Is this something that's also planned for the ADAM? Dale: There are lots of parallel ports for the Adam (printer interface, such as MIB-3). Dale: No the lights are for a light show for a recital of my experimental electronic music. scott: When I think parallel port, I think my IBM. You're right. This interface is on the MIB3 Dale: I'd like them to switch on and off with a latency of less than 0.2 sec. scott: Wish I could help you there. My dad would give you the best answer to that question. scott: I will see what he'll be willing to teach me regarding ADAM hardware design. Dale: Never mind then. I mostly need to price the components. scott: As you know, I have his schematics. Dale: I was jsut wondering if you had any insights into how to do it inexpensively. scott: On pricing components? scott: Hmmm... scott: I don't think I'd be much of a help in that area. Dale: I need some sort fo switch or transistor on each of the lights. Then I can turn on goups of lights or turn off groups oif lights to correspond to my music. scott: Your project sounds intriguing, though. scott: Would this be for ADAMCon? scott: You should ask my dad. Wouldn't be a bad idea to establish some sort of regular communication with him anyway. Dale: Maye it would be interesting to explain at AdamCon, but no it is for a monthly live presentation ... scott: Sounds like a fun idea. Dale: where different aretists preform live art (singing, dancing, etc.) Dale: I've heard that such display's can be quite spectacular. scott: I will take a look at your Mayan source code and try to do a little artwork in Photoshop if I have time. scott: CISCO starts next week, then LANs. scott: Fun stuff. Dale: Usually I just do it with a custom computer graphics program on a project, but I want to try it this way. scott: Somehow I've got to find a way to fit all this fun stuff in. scott: Well Dale, I'd better get going. I've gotta get up early and drive my girlfriend to class. Dale: Okay Scott. I look forward to hearing what progress you make. Email me any questions, and I'll try and answer them. Dale: Bye for now. scott: Sure. And I'll send you e-mails as I have time. scott: See ya.
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