rich: Hi Dale, I had a small problem getting on Dale: I get that impression. rich: Opera didn't like the flavour of your Java Dale: Maybe I should restart the chat server. rich: Maybe so, maybe no. Came up fine in IE which I'm using now rich: Not the first time I've had that problem with Opera Dale: I see. rich: Says I had an access violation on kernel32.dll rich: that mean anything to you? Dale: It means that Opera passed something disagreeable to Windows' core. rich: all sorts of programs have a habit of doing that rich: fortunately I have McAfee's Crash Monitor installed
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changed username to james rich: good morning james james: morning Dale: Good morning James. rich: did you have any problem getting on?
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changed username to Meeka Meeka: hello rich: hello Meeka! james: no problems at all :) rich: guess it was just Opera having one of its nights then james: hi dale rich: there are times when having an alternative program available is very handy rich: Meeka, havn't hit your site recently - how is it coming? Meeka: haven't had time to do much to it lately. been very busy around here Dale: HiMeeka rich: I know the feeling Dale: Hey, James I have good new. Dale: news. Meeka: hello. how have you been Dale rich: I haven't even had time to see James' Toronto pictures yet Dale: I found some Mel Osler publications. james: cool :) i can certainly use them Dale: I've been doing grat. Dale: great. james: rich - i've been working on the website and will be uploading a major update tomorrow i hope. Dale: I apparently am not kitting the keyboard hard enough. Meeka: that's ok we are used to reading between the lines. Dale: Or maybe I should have my typing license revoked for the night. rich: I will try to find time and remember to take a look rich: depends on what you've been drinking, Dale rich: that got into the keyboard, that is! Dale: The titles are: Dale: Basics to Basic with Adam (69 pages) rich: Learning to ....... with Adam... Dale: Learning to Write with Adam [Hackers Helper Vol II] (112 pages) james: cool. i could definitely use them Dale: The "From Basics to Basic" is billed as "Part I A beginner text for new hackers" or A Hackers Helper Preparatory Text james: that sounds perfect. rich: My impression is that Mel did a very thorough job on that series Dale: And "Uncommented Disassembly of Adam Basic" -- although I recommend Rich Drushel's version available from my uwaterloo web site. Dale: (Very thick, maybe 260+ pages) rich: I thought the SmartBASIC disassembly was Guy Cousineaus work Dale: I don't seem to have "Learning to Read with Adam", which I would guess is HHelper V1, but I don't know for sure. rich: I believe you're right, Dale; I think I have it somewhere james: i've checked into that title (learning to read) and it is hhelper v1 Dale: So, I can copy B2B and L2Write for you and send them to you. Dale: I need to obtain L2Read to dup it for you. james: thanks dale. i really appreciate it.
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changed username to Ron rich: Hello Ron Ron: hey! james: morning ron :) Ron: evening James rich: You're esrly tonite Ron: we went out for supper so there was no dishes to do Meeka: not to bad today, no sun, but no rain either Meeka: hello ron Ron: I am the chief bottle washer rich: which computer and OS are you using tonight, Ron? Ron: Hi Meeka Ron: Wintel Ron: Win98 2e james: ugh. rich: is this something new? Ron: I know.... it's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it Ron: Had our annual Mac barbecue here last night, so thot I better even up the playing field Dale: Hello Ron. Ron: Hi Dale Ron: 25 mac perverso's in attendance....and spouses rich: sounds like quite a do Ron: good time had by all james: my next machine might be a mac. Ron: worth a try James rich: you thinking new machine again, james? rich: reminds me, I've sent our Amiga pusher (who also does Dark Side) my specs - have to nag him for a quote james: well not this year at any rate but the next machine i do buy might be a mac. i've had enough of this pc stuff. Ron: You have an Amiga pusher? Ron: Got my PC doing a mac emulation and my iMac doing Win 98 rich: yes, that's where our TPUG meetings are held the 2d Tues of each month Ron: nothing around here is what it seems Dale: One of the new Amigas? RISC based? rich: there's a couple of Amiga emulators now too Ron: should get one of those. rich: no, I'm just after a routine DOSbox Ron: ok rich: not sure what this week's announcement of a new Amiga might be Ron: everybody should have a DOS box rich: yes, makes them appreciate real computers Ron: true rich: Dale, did you see Rosie DiManno in the Star this morning? Dale: No. What did it say? rich: she was detailing her uneasy relationship with computes - Frances found it hilarious Ron: sounds worth reading rich: give thestar.ca a try - I think they keep their columnists on line for a few days Ron: hmm.... james: we lost dale rich: now that's something - smart servers don't dump the boss rich: he's likely to give them a good boot Ron: The columns are there up to June 4
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changed username to Dale Ron: will have to wait a day or two rich: bet that's Dale back Dale: Sorry. I was playing, and I killed my browser by accident. rich: yep - go offline to look at the column, Dale? Ron: will put her on my favourites page. If I read anything these days, I read columnists rich: one thing I have noticed about this chat, the Java doesn't like it if you try multitasking while it's running Ron: like their slant on things james: who's this? Ron: a lady writing a regular column for the Toronto Star Dale: Well, I was restarting my window manager. rich: well, at the moment we're taking both the Star and Globe, and there goes half the day just on the XXXXXXX papers Ron: Rosi Dimanno? Dale: It worked great after I killed my old one ... Ron: do you read the WHOLE paper Rich? Dale: but then I was playing with another one, and that's where I killed netscape by accident. rich: skim all of both, read what seems too important to miss Ron: By the way, good people, I am now behind a new router and Zone Alarm.....belt and suspenders engineering Dale: I see your letter to the editor. rich: all the columnists have one thing in common - they LOATHE Mike Harris Dale: Every once in a while. rich: expected in the Star, but unusual in the Globe Ron: about the same here as BCTV feels about Gordon Campbell, Ujjal Dosanjh, Glen Clark rich: yes, I have been known to offer the unwashed the benefit of my superior wisdom... james: rather than narrow it down, i don't trust any politician. Dale: I should poke your machine, and set off your alarm then Ron? rich: but the editors are often unappreciative; they run only a certain percentage Ron: would be neat to see what it does rich: why don't you just go to grc,com and test it out, Ron? Ron: Interesting difference of opinion between my Linux group and my Mac group
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changed username to Guy B. Ron: Mac gurus said, Ron: " Ron: get a router rich: welcome Guy Ron: linux guys feel software firewalls are sufficient james: hi guy, thanks for your mail this week Ron: so being true and loyal Ron: I got both Guy B.: Greetings, sorry I'm late. Had my allergy shots tonight and then I had to get some money for parking. rich: my sense is that if youre a big operation, get a router, but it's overkill for a small setup Ron: have 4 computers behind my router Guy B.: No problem James. I was surprised myself how small that power supply was. Ron: guess that doth not a network constitute Ron: Hi Guy Guy B.: Rich, did you order your new system yet? james: yeah, i figured coming out of a 386 it would at least be 100 watts rich: Dale cutit out rich: you arev driving my mahine nut Dale: Well, I've suggested the router solution to my friend recently, and he's very happy. Ron: Understand Shaw cable will eventually introduce new rates for those operating with routers Dale: But I use the Linux solution. It's just more effort to set up. Guy B.: Looks like Rich is having some trouble on his computer tonight. rich: Dale is oinging me james: can't be as bad as ntt rich: pinging me rich: or maybe did a route trace Ron: well nobody knows for sure yet Meeka: ony 4 Ron, I think that Doug has you beat. I think that we have at least 8 hooked up and we have network ports in almost very room in the housee ;-) rich: anyway, I'm gettting Zone Alarm alerts like a fire bell Guy B.: How many computers Meeka? Meeka: LOTS!!! Ron: yeah.... Doug holds the record all right rich: and yes Dale, Zone Alarm tattles on teh source Ron: getting no indication here at all Dale: 4 machines certainly does constitute a network. Guy B.: Rough guess, eight? Meeka: well lets see, Ron: well I thought so Dale: It makes life easier to connect them together. Ron: yeah. The router does all the work Meeka: there is his, mine, laptop, and 4 servers that I can think of off hand Ron: assigning address and that Ron: What do your servers serve, Meeka? Meeka: there are proubly ones that I am not aware of too rich: Dale, whatever you were trying on my machine, try it on Ron's and see how his firewall stacks up Ron: let's see.... print server, file server, graphics server,..... um..... Guy B.: That's eight there. So, I guess more is coming. Ron: hit me with your best shot rich: to get back to your question, Guy, I've sent out the quotation request, haven't heard back yet Meeka: there is a e-mail server, network server, web site server, and I think that there is on that just holds duplicate data, or it could just be an old one that isn't used much right now, I am not quite sure Guy B.: I'm only using a peer to peer either between the P133 and the Athlon or either one of them and the notebook. Ron: good Meeka Ron: now I see Ron: that works ok Guy Dale: Rich, I guess that was me, probing your system. Was trying to find Ron. Meeka: my computer is the print server since the printer is hooked directly to it Ron: I'm in stealth Ron: nobody can see me Ron: and if you can't see me, you're blind rich: I'm in stealth, too. But Zone Alarm was reporting every probe Guy B.: It works and I had Wordperfect Suite 8 that came with the Athlon, but it was a network version. I couldn't install it. But, when I used DCC, I was able to install it. Ron: yeah, I have Zone Alarm running on this one too, but it's just sitting there happily rich: I gather, Dale, if you couldn't tell me from Ron, you drew a blank Dale: I wasn't thinking carefully. Dale: Once I thought about it, I found him . rich: well, we now know for sure it works Ron: And what am I telling you? Dale: He is connected by shawcable.net Ron: true james: no offence, but i think i could have found that out without probing :D rich: could you get any data from me at all, Dale? Ron: Have some reading to do about routers - do not yet completely understand the concept Dale: You ate all of my packets. Ping, traceroutes, and telnets. I didn't try anything else. Ron: nasty rich: You have no idea how much better that makes me feel Guy B.: Whoa, trouble brewing!!!! Ron: trouble, with a capital "t" Guy B.: That's for sure. Ron: how so? Dale: Well, okay then he is connected from 188.8.131.52
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changed username to murray Guy B.: Hi Murray, good to hear from you. Dale: James is connected as: ksk1-S08.miracle.ne.jp Meeka: hi murray Ron: Murray as in C. Murray McCullough? rich: well for goodness sake! welcome, good buddy Dale: Hi Murray. rich: haven't heard from you since forever - where you been? murray: Yep! It's been a while, Ron. Ron: Well, hey! Guy B.: How's everything Murray? Dale: But the router doesn't allow me to initiate a connection to Ron's internal network machines. Ron: you gonna be able to make it to Cleveland Murray? Ron: that's reassurring to know Dale murray: I have been online off and on. Doing research work and travelling, Ron. I plan to be in Cleveland Ron: great! Guy B.: Same here. Sending off my last payment this weekend. rich: we will all be looking forward to joining you there, Murray Ron: the Good Lord Willin, and the mountains don't rise, I shall be there too Dale: But we also all know how to annoy Richard. Just trigger his zone alarm. <evil grin> Meeka: we are going to be there to. Mom and Dad also will be there rich: by the way Ron did you notice our dollar has been climbing of late? rich: started as soon as you bought the money for Adamcon murray: It's good to hear from you Guy. How's things going? james: is it really? Guy B.: Meeka, where is Bob tonight? Meeka: ?????? Ron: no, hadn't noticed that Guy B.: Going pretty well despite a strained left foot. Ron: good eh? Dale: I'm planning a talk for Cleveland, but Jill is still looking for the time off. james: what's it up to, a whomping 65 cents us? Meeka: haven't talked to them today. Have no idea what is up rich: 65.19 tonight Guy B.: Maybe Judy has him tied up with something. murray: The Cdn. $. My it's become a third world currency almost Rich. james: ooooh. :) james: i'll keep my yen for now at least. Ron: today, our new Premier announced a 25% tax reduction eff.. July 1 Ron: love them Liberals rich: I think they're quoting the yen at $0.0127 CDN murray: I wish my boss would give me a 20% raise!!! Ron: hey rich, that is up eh? james: mind you, it fares much better than an aussie or nz dollar! rich: today it was a four-month high Meeka: I got a 20% raise this week. Guy B.: Us Americans will be getting a refund check this August. Singles $300, couples $600. Part of a 10 year tax reduction plan. Ron: Wow Meeka rich: actually, our dollar has been strong - it's just that the US dollar has been overpowering everything Meeka: doesn't come out to much after takes, but oh well. james: yeah, i'd like to see it go back to pre 1990 levels. i don't think i'd want parity but it's highly undervalued now Guy B.: I wish I can get that much. My raise will be on July 1st. murray: We got a $120 gov. check to help out with heating last winter. rich: I have my reservations about tax cuts - I don't like busy signals when I call 911 james: if they'd just stop wasting money they'd find more than enogh for tax cuts. Ron: well that's just it Rich. The everybody is saying the tax reduction is more than expected, and opponents are wondering if we can really afford it james: is hrdc still around? rich: but if they don't waste money they can't buy votes Ron: oh yes James Ron: the dole out money without really keeping track of where it goes james: see, now to improve canada, one of the things that needs to be scrapped is hrdc
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changed username to Murray rich: in Ontario they cut the provincial tax, but downloaded so much on the cities we lost the refund and more in incrased property taxes Ron: That's what everybody was saying last fall. Minister got raked over the coals in the wake of an audit Ron: Had to endure considerable political heat james: the other is chretien. he's done his bit and it's time to let someone take over Ron: agree James. james: he and that stupid "red book". red is the colour that liberals bleed. ink. Ron: Only I don't know who would effectively replace him. Ron: certainly not Stockwell Day rich: I'll settle for Paul Martin james: heard day might be looking for a job :D Ron: would ya Rich? rich: I'm not a Liberal fan, but the others are so muddles these days rich: at least Martin knows why balanced budgets are a good thing Ron: we've left our American friends behind talking Canadian politics james: paul martin can at least be understood when he speaks. Murray: I see in BC Ron that a new gov. is going to move things right & more right. Ron: expected Murray rich: I'm not sure they'd feel the way we doi about Jim Jeffords Ron: this is an old Socred bunch with some new additions Ron: which passes for Liberal in this province rich: not to be mistaken for the federal version in any way, shape pr form Ron: our MLA is even in Cabinet as Minister of Sustainable Resource Development...... whatever that is Ron: right Rich Ron: and he used to be Minister of Education during the days of Wee Willie VanderZalm rich: anyway, folks, heard from Michael today and boy do I have news Ron: yes? Murray: It appears that not much is going to change in Lotus Land Ron! rich: he inherited a modest sum of money when his grandfather dies recently rich: he went out and bought a travel trailer with it Ron: :) rich: a 27' Prowler 5th wheel of a certain age, but in good shape Ron: what prey tell does he intend to pull it with Ron: oh... a 5th wheel rich: found it in southwestern Ontario, had it towed to a campground a bit south of Sudbury Dale: Where is he keeping it? rich: a campground at Alban, Ont. pro tem rich: later to be moved to a property leased from a buddy nearby Murray: Netscape is acting up again. Better retire it for the night. Hope to see you in July Ron and all the gang. rich: actually managed to pay for the trailer and teh tow and the campground Dale: Look forward to it Murray. Ron: Great Murray....looking forward to it rich: and still has money left, which so far he's managing rich: this is not like our Michael!
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changed username to Pamela Dale: Hi Pam. Guy B.: Hi Pam Pamela: Good evening rich: good to have you in, Murray. See you in Cleveland Meeka: hello Pam Pamela: I got disconnected the first time I tried Dale: Is Michael in town this week? rich: hello daughter, West Wing finished? Ron: Hi Pamela Pamela: Not West Wing, Pop - your niece is in town tomorrow and she needed a place to sleep rich: you came in just as Murray left - it seems to upset the chat program james: hi pam Pamela: Hi Meeka, Hi Ron, Hi James, Hi Dale, Hi Guy rich: Michael will be up at the trailer for the next couple of weeks he says, Dale Pamela: FYI, Dad this is Stratford weekend
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changed username to Robert Miller rich: OK - when away and when back? Guy B.: Hi Robert.
changed username to BobS rich: hello and welcome. Robert! Dale: Hiya Bob. Pamela: Gone Friday a.m. around 11:00, back Sunday evening Guy B.: Meeka, He's here. Hi Bob. Robert Miller: Hi Guys... As usual.... Long time no see hehehe. BobS: Hiya guys!!!!! Meeka: hi dad Pamela: Hi Robert BobS: finally got here before ya'll left! Ron: Our numbers increase Ron: Hi Bob Pamela: Hi, Bob Ron: Hi Robert Guy B.: As you can see. We have a bunch tonight. BobS: Hi Pam Dale: Got your email. I'll be sending you some money shortly. BobS: hi the rest of ya's!!!! rich: hey, Granda S. finally noticed teh clock Pamela: Don't pick on him, guys, he's not much later than I was BobS: nope! been to great grandpa in laws abode tillnow Meeka: witch ones? BobS: great grandma's b-day and their 54th anniversary today, so went out for dinner then to their abode for awhile rich: you missed all the juicy gossip Pamela: tell all! rich: or are your ears burning? Guy B.: Barring no foreseen problems. I will be updating my website this weekend. Adding a couple new VBscripts for the emulator utilties. Ron: good time had by all Bob? BobS: WHAT GOSSIP?????? Pamela: TELL! BobS: yes Ron, good food (crispy bacon) and good wine (richard).............RED LOBSTER no less rich: you'll have to read teh transcript - serves you right for coming late Ron: CRISPY BACON????? BobS: well shees Pamela: we have a bunch of closed-mouths here, Bob BobS: ctrispy shrimp as close as I could come............ Guy B.: You'll like it Bob. BobS: BUT, I had to gethome early to see you guys and gals Pamela: oh yeah, food - I forgot about that tonite Pamela: Now I;m hungry - thanks a lot! BobS: like the website Guy, or the talk that went on before I got here Guy B.: Bob, even Meeka and I were wondering where you were tonight. Ron: well go eat something Pamela! james: i have to go and do some banking, will talk with you all next week! BobS: see ya James Pamela: The cupboard, she is bare Ron: put money in James.Don't take it out Guy B.: See you later James. BobS: BTW james, wife home and good?????? Pamela: James, you can't leave yet rich: see you then, james. meantime take care Ron: Say "Goodnight, James" Pamela: Goodnight, James - I miss you already james: things are good and she's been home for a week. Meeka: bye James BobS: GREAT!!!!! james: sorry pam :) Pamela: Next week, okay? james: yup, i'll be here! Pamela: It's a date Ron: How has Saturday been going Rich? Ron: only two or three gathered together? james: thanks for the info on the manuals dale rich: a few quite interesting one on one chats - Guy can tell you BobS: YA SURE.....me too!!!! :-) Ron: my memory has gone 'senior' again james: *poof*
james left chat session Pamela: bye bye : ( Guy B.: Unfortunately, I missed last Saturday and I won't be there this Saturday either. Going to a friends birthday party for her daughter. rich: not sure I'll be doing this Saturday - there's an IRL race rich: don't know if it conflicts or not Pamela: Hey Meeka, what are we doing hanging around with abunch of seniors? Meeka: don't know. BobS: I represent that Ronald!!!!!! ;-) Ron: gently Pamela. You too will be a senior one day Pamela: Well thanks, Methuselah Meeka: maybe they need us to feel younger ;-) Ron: I'm too old to work, too young to be a senior Guy B.: You got that right. Ron: :) Pamela: and bring a fresh perspective to things Pamela: See, the younger generation is good for something after all Pamela: Right, Dale? Ron: Dale is not a senior Pamela: Exactly Dale: I'm a senior. Haven't you heard? BobS: Dale? Dale? now where did trhat boy run off to?????? rich: in fact, he's younger than you are - but you know that Dale: That's how MTAG get it's meeting space free. Pamela: Senior what? BobS: probably playing with those DARN computers again!! Ron: oh yeah... that's right. Forgot about that. You get a deal based on seniors right/ Pamela: Neat trick! rich: and if they give you any flak, Dale, refer them to your past president Dale: I'm president of a senior's computer club, accordin g to our official permit. Ron: Rich, are you the senior of all seniors? Ron: Or do we have someone older? rich: no, the Stones are older Ron: oh, right Ron: I am but a child rich: and there are others like Dave Sands and Henderson down in Florida and such I'm not sure about Pamela: Snow on the roof but a fire in the hearth, right Ron? Dale: Hi Robert Miller. Meeka: no Ron, I think that I would be the "child" of this group ;-) Pamela: I thought James was the youngest rich: don't know how you compare with james, Meeka Ron: Last time son Jeff was here he was complaining about hitting 30. I'm whining about hitting 60. Mother said, "will you both just shut up!" Meeka: not sure, how old is James? Pamela: 26 Robert Miller: Hi Dale... doing three or four things at once... (boss says I cant do 2! HA!) Pamela: what does he know, Robert? Dale: I know the feeling. Meeka: I won't be 26until October Ron: but he only pays you for one right Robert? Dale: I've met Robert at AdamCon 4 I beleive. Pamela: Well, then you have James beat Ron: pushing 30 Meeka! Watch it Pamela: 36 in 20 days! Meeka: naw, I have a few years yet Robert Miller: yea, cant put overtime down for working at 2X... what a shame! Ron: ok Pamela: Feeling old yet Dad? Ron: And then we have Grandfather Bob S Pamela: Dad?? rich: yes, especially when teh knee acts up Pamela: BTW, good news - I am released from physio as of last Friday rich: it gets to you after a while rich: especially when the teenagers offer you a seat on the bus rich: male teenagers!!!! Ron: really Rich? rich: it happened Ron: aww Pamela: Which bus? Ron: that's gotta make your day rich: fortunately I don't ride buses much so avoid embarrassment BobS: I may not be old, but Igot ya'll beat for grandkids! BobS: well, not young either.............. rich: I don't even ask for senior discounts any more - they're volunteered BobS: but got 3 great kids! Ron: Amazing what I can get away with just by taking mother along. Ron: mind you we both got grey hair Guy B.: Bob, grandkids will keep you on your toes all day. You know how energetic they are. Pamela: Nice to know she;s useful, Ron rich: by the way, Pam, Catharine brought Meaagan over yesterday Ron: right Pamela: Oh really? Did Mom get all mushy? Pamela: And that Pamela: s Katherine and Mega Pamela: n BobS: mostly Guy; I don't have to deal with them for a day at at ime, just Judy....as she gets frazzled rich: yep Pamela: Did you? Guy B.: So she's worn out. rich: I did all the heavy looking on - babies are a girl thing Pamela: Isn't she gorgeous? Whattya mean, a girl thing - you looked after me and I was a baby at one point BobS: she gets that way, yes Ron: brb rich: a really good looking kid, that's for sure rich: takes after her mopm BobS: si, seniorita....but that was many long moons ago, you know? Pamela: Think so? I think she has CT's chin and her nose, and Steve's eyes Guy B.: How old are Sherry's kids? rich: yes, we noticed the blue eyes Meeka: 2 years and 7 mounths Pamela: I hope they stay that way. If her hair stays dark, she'll be very striking Meeka: Mandy's is 5 months Guy B.: And Mandy's is about 3 months, right? BobS: Josh is 2 yrs 2 months, Michael is 7 1/2 months old Guy B.: Ok, I was close. Pamela: These are grandkids, right Bob? Dale: Bob, I sent you that PayPal money. Guy B.: How 's Mandy doing with hers? Meeka: yes pam Pamela: Thanks, Meeka BobS: ok Dale THANKS BobS: yes'm GRAND kids of mine OWN!!!! Pamela: Bob, when does money for the con have to be in? Guy B.: I'm sure it has to be by the end of this month. rich: you wNT TEH THEORY OR THE TRUTH? Meeka: are you going to be ther Pam? BobS: hopefully soon, but you could check with Rich D.......most likely fer sure by the last week in June Pamela: Looks like we're gonna make it Meeka: cool ;-) BobS: PLEAS come Pam.....PLEASE!!!!! rich: long as they know you're coming, you can pay at the door Meeka: we will finally get to meet you rich: but they sure would be a lott happier a few weeks in advance Pamela: I need to hit the website and do some research Guy B.: Pam, it would be great for you to be there. BobS: O schwell.......... BobS: oh heck just follow the caravan of cars going tothe convention, prolly be about 3 thousand or so! Pamela: Russell officially has the time off, as do I , so it's just a matter of getting the registration in rich: with our dollar on the upswing, it pays us to stall a little BobS: true! Guy B.: Well, I'll be driving there this year. BobS: just let Richard know whats going on and I am sure he can work with ya Pamela: BTW, about my birthday present Dad . . . Pamela: we need to chat rich: have to speak to your Ma about it, OPam Pamela: Gonna do that rich: but I suspect there will be some ...assistance
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changed username to Rob F rich: once you get back from Statford Rob F: hi all Pamela: Good evening Rob rich: is this the great Rob Friedman? Ron: back Ron: Hi Rob! Rob F: no it's the not so great rob friedman.. who else would say that???? oy Rob F: hoya rich.. and ron.. rich: hey man, haven't seen you since Adamcon 02 Dale: Rich told me he needs a room count in about a week. For people he doesn't know, I'm guessing he'd want at least a deposit. Rob F: hey.. guess who's coming by this weekend,,, Dale: Hi Rob. rich: tell us Rob Rob F: thought i only went to AC6 Guy B.: Rob F, long time no hear. How are you? Rob F: tim Rob F: hey Guy! Rob F: the famous Guy C? BobS: AS me LIVES and breathes.....ROB!!!!!!!!! Ron: former EOS sysop, Compuserve Guy B.: No, Guy B. Pamela: Okay, Dale I guess I need to let him know Rob F: ok.. B Rob F: so i'm off by a leter... Guy B.: Met at Adamcon 6. rich: the infamous Guy Bona, terror of Chicago Rob F: hi Dale...< see he came bye my store,. Rob F: ahhh ok Dale: I've seen your store. Rob F: so... rememebr Tim ? Rob F: I know oh.. we move... to the west side..... Rob F: by 80 feet Ron: what is his last name....... Dale: I haven't been to NYC for a while now though. Pamela: Rob, are you in Toronto? Rob F: Tim Nunes... we've always been in touch Ron: yeah, that's it Rob F: hell no.. the island of long.. place of the famous AC1.5 30 min weekend <grin Rob F: anyone rememebr that??? rich: Rob, you dropped into Adamcon 02, but only for a few hours - but are still remembered Ron: anyone remember the Long Island Adam Resource Society? Rob F: oh yeah.. Sue and i went to letchworth the next day Pamela: LIARS? Ron: yup Rob F: hehehehehe yeah... rt Pamela: very cute rich: gonna make it to Cleveland, Rob? Rob F: and our famous AC1.5 was on 4/1 Rob F: why cleveland??? the RnR HoF? Ron: had forgotten about that Pamela: someone has a twisted sense of humour rich: Adamcon )D Guy B.: Rich Druschel is hosting this year's Adamcon. Ron: ADAMCON 13.... July (what the hell is it) 12 - 16? rich: 0D Rob F: ron.. you remember my famous... "con"?? Ron: 12 - 15 Ron: oh yes. Ron: Speaking of which Rob F: no.. wont be able too... no tim,e off.. just came back from the white mtns in nh Ron: AC 13 I mean Pamela: yes ron . . . Dale: And I met you, Rob for a LIARS meeting. Ron: I don't get to Cleveland until 9:05 p.m. You guys will still be up eh? Rob F: i gather pam was not on CIS /CSI whatever back then? rich: no, she's my daughter Pamela: I wasn'told enuf, Rob Rob F: funny.. this is the first one of these I've been able to make it to.. Pamela: I'm Rich Clee's daughter Rob F: WHAT????? holy.. < $$%^$ Rob F: damn now i'm feeling old Pamela: Ron, if we get to bed before 3:00 am we'll be doing well Ron: Murray McCullough was in here earlier Dale: It's time for second gen Adam users. Meeka: she is not the onlysecond generation here tonight Ron: that's right. Meeka is 2nd gen Rob F: and tim and I are what.... pre-history??? Meeka: I am Bob S daughter-in-law Pamela: and we're missing Doug Dale: Doug was at AC02. Pamela: and Scott too Rob F: hey.. Tim now works for IBM on the Linux division BobS: we will WAIT for you great western brother!!!!!!!! Meeka: he is sitting next to me plaing his game like normal ;-) Guy B.: Well, I have to get going. I'll be taking care of Jeanene's cat while she's in Pittsburgh for a few days. So, I'll see you all next week. Rob F: meeka.. I heard of you Ron: Thanks Bob Dale: Interesting news Rob. Pamela: g'nite Guy rich: OK Guy, see you next week Dale: See ya Guy. Rob F: niters guy Meeka: good things i hope? Ron: go straighthome Guy. No stopping at the bar getting drunk Rob F: yes... Meeka: bye guy Guy B.: I don't drink anyway. I've got a dog to feed and walk as well. Bye all!
Guy B. left chat session BobS: nk the water!!!!! Ron: that's the thing about dogs. They sorta see to it that you go for regular walks Pamela: We're gonna have to get that man drunk in July Rob F: I drove to Fl.. 6 -7 years ago???? BobS: darn gone already rich: he's not the type Rob F: damn.. Ron: yea BobS: remember Fl Rob Pamela: Neither am I. Rob F: yes i do... only one I "really" went to... Rob F: and heheh i'm STILL on CIS BobS: but what in "ADAM" is still on CIS??????? Ron: Actually Rob, I still have my membership..... but ain't been there in months Rob F: well.. Vintage computer forum Dale: What's happened in the Adam forums? I've not checked in recently. BobS: open to outsidwers or only members????? Rob F: hang on..Tim is on AIM Dale: I use it as a backup Internet ISP. Rob F: for my price.. I use it as my ISP Ron: yes....that's pretty much my motivation. They have a local access number here now Rob F: i think vintage is open now rich: unfortunatekly, in Canadian dollars, AOL/CIS was always too rich for my blood Dale: They have an access number for when I'm traveling. Ron: that too Dale rich: that's a help, but when you travel with a trailer, not much rich: no one has a POP where they build trailer parks rich: but I did set up a hotnmail account for when I get a laptop, if I get one Ron: such tangled webs we weave Pamela: make sure you check it regularly Pamela: to clean out the junk mail and keep it active rich: basically, only when I'm on the road rich: I don't plan to use it otherwise Pamela: No, I mean now or they'll deactivate it Dale: Ron, you were looking for a laptop for this AC. Did you find one? rich: just the occasional item to you maybe to keep it active Rob F: just a question.. I gather everyone here is on the chat but not using an Adam?? <grin Pamela: Correct Ron: Not yet Dale, got one in mind? Rob F: a laptop??? <just bought another IBM 701 for $75 Dale: If I find one for a good price, I might get it for you. rich: more precisely, if we are using our Adams, it's simultaneously, not online Ron: we better agree on what we're talking about--- good price Pamela: what do you consider a good price, Dale? Ron: what's the range Dale: Sadly, Internet access for Adams is not what it usede to be. Rob F: kinda figured.. what kind of laptops are we talking about? rich: here a P166MMX/64MB/2gig/modem is about $500 Dale: But you could always use a connection over a host system via serial port. Ron: something capable of using the Internet (without long waits) and something capable of running the ADAM emulator Rob F: ahh ok Ron: those would be my stated requirements Rob F: never ran teh emulator on my laptop.. use it mostly with my camera for storage/downloading Ron: that would be about right Rich Robert Miller: Well, I have to confess I'm in the process of hacking a webplayer into a PC right now... just installed a HD & Win98 is up and running. Dale: There's lots of systems out there at that price. rich: if you'll take a P133 or P150 it's around $400 Rob F: hey.. anyone hear from PJ ever? Ron: would be ok Ron: anything in that range Meeka: I use Doug's laptop to play games when e travel, that is when he will share it rich: not for sevral months, Rob. We worry Ron: Around here they're more like $700 Dale: Once in a while. She droped in for the tail end of the last AC. Robert Miller: They are selling on UBID right now for $149. 20GB HD was another $100 now its "almost" a PC. Ron: Rob, last talked to PJ just before last Christmas Rob F: great Pamela: I'd like one eventually for when we're away for long periods at the trailer rich: problem is, the screen on a laptop adds $300+ to the price over a desktop of that spec or better Robert Miller: Wish I could hook it up to the ADAM for access to a floppy. Dale: Ron, if I stumbled across one for about $200-300 that worked correctly, I'd reserve it for you. Pamela: If you do, Dale, let me know too Ron: you're on Dale Ron: this one I just bought.... the Mac PB180 has power supply problems, and is not really up to running anything more than Netscape 3.0 Ron: presently it's in the shop rich: RobM, what is your problem in accessing flioppies? No 5-1/4 drive? Robert Miller: no drive at all hehehe... 2 usb ports though I'll have to go with a zip or something Ron: Dale, keep your eyes open. Let me know if I should send money Dale: Will do. Pamela: well folks, I have a long day tomorrow so I had better head for bed Dale: Once in a while I come across such deals, andI wonder if I should get them or not. Robert Miller: they come std with a 48Mb disk on chip, but the IDE is sitting there waiting. I'm copying stuff to the HD right now (in my laptop) so I dont have to do huge dls via 56K. Meeka: ok see you next week pam rich: OK Pam, and say hello to Erin for us Ron: niters pamela Pamela: I will, and if I get a chance will bring her by to say hi Dale: USB ZIP works like a dream. rich: that would be neat, Pam Robert Miller: some of The ones on UBID come std with an ethernet instead of the 56k modem, but not both. Pamela: Will call tomorrow night for more info, okay Dad? Ron: Robert, tell me what UBID is pls Ron: aution? rich: by the way, RM, Ron, Dale and I are talking Canadian dollar prices Dale: Does anyone here have some source for AdamNet devices? rich: OK Pam Robert Miller: www.ubid.com an auction site. More controlled than ebay Pamela: Good nite everyone - see younext week Ron: sleep well Pamela: *poof*
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changed username to Rob F rich: if you need teh MIB3 or MI serial card I have them Ron: Rich Drushel's is serial link isn't it Robert Miller: you can check the whole hacking process at: http://www.larwe.com/technical/webplayer_pc.html if you are interested Rob F: rehi.. sorry system froze Ron: That's what you get for being on Long Island Rob Rob F: hey.. look..i cloned myself <grin> Ron: happens here Rob. like a hall of mirrors sometimes Rob F: heheh like it Ron: Will the REAL Rob Friedman please stand rich: usually when someone enters or leaves Rob F: nah.. sitting here rich: the chat applet is a beta, after all Rob F: even so.. it's not bad Dale: Well, I figure if I can figure out the AdamNet protocol, it would be easy to do it over the PC parallel port, because it has enough bandwidth to keep up. Ron: it works better than all else we've tried Rob rich: considering what we tried elsewhere, it's damn good rich: doesn't even need cookies to operate, and that's a BIG plus Dale: I might need something inbetween, but I'm planning a talk on Adam hardware hacking for AC. Rob F: i can see.. nicer than the.. what is that one.. ??? very common.. Ron: So would we be talking 80 col display on EOS Dale? Rob F: broad? something.. whatever Ron: Wonder if the protocol is anything like the Apple desktop bus protocol Dale: We'd be talking having a PC provide a substitute version of any AdamNet device. Ron: ok...even that would be good rich: isn't that sort of the essence of ADamserve? rich: or am I missing the point - again? Ron: yeah, Rich, but faster I think Ron: ADAMserve is a little slow for normal use. Backup that way is ok, but for normal useage, I don't know Dale: Rich, the difference would be to have it work without any custom hardware on the Adam. Just a "sepecial connector" to a standard PC parallel port. rich: need to borrow an XT, Dale? Dale: I have a P75 that I'm planning on using for the PC part of it. rich: well for a parallel port out you've need something custom on the Adam Dale: So the idea is that any PC supplied device would speak to the Adam at the 65kbit per second. Ron: Any device? Ron: scanners? Ron: cd rw Ron: ? Ron: hi res inkjet? rich: for that wouldn't you have to go in via the bus connector, Dale? Ron: or am I out of the park Robert Miller: I dont suppose one of those parallel to USB converters would help to use? would bring down the number of pins to work with on the adam end? Rob F: heheh now all we need is a digital camera for the Adam.. Ron: ok, there's another 'device' rich: don;'t chuckle, Dale's probably done it already Rob F: hey.. to me a digital camera is THE device..<rememebr what I do? rich: though how the Adam's memory would handle 2.1 megapixels.... Ron: true Rob rich: what do you do, Rob? Rob F: dont rememebr?? i work in a pro camera store in nyc Dale: Sure, replace any AdamNet device without patching anyt5hing on the Adam side. rich: ah, OK - but then I only met you - once, twice? Rob F: have <now> 2 epson digicams.. the 750z which i gave to Sue.. and teh 850z <which i also beta tested...> Robert Miller: are you dispensing advice tonight Rob? What's the biggest bang for the buck currently? Dale: You could concevibly add any device that AdamServe has. Rob F: in digicams??? not sure on the low end.. rememebr..i also deal with $20,000 digital backs Dale: That means printers, disk drives, keyboard, modem, etc. Rob F: own personal low end favorite is the Canon G1 Robert Miller: (Well, I need a $10,000 kitchen before that hehehe) Rob F: though I own the Epson 850Z and i'm not that fond of the 3000Z Rob F: the G1 is around $800-900 Dale: I have a plan on how to add a Barbie cam to the Adam. I never implemented it though. I still need to buy a Barbie cam. Rob F: the 990 <and upcoming 995> have good optics rich: don't think the Epson is marketed in Canada, is it? Dale: Saw one at a flea market recently. Should have bought it. Meeka: I like my olympus d-460 Dale: But I don't take much money to such evens for that reason. Rob F: no.. it' still a CMOs chip.. and the only one that has looked fairly ok. is the D30 Canon Rob F: almost bought teh d450 Robert Miller: is something different about the barbie cam that lends itself to the task Dale? Rob F: the 460 is that 1.3 or 2.1? Rob F: < not a fan of smartmedia Meeka: 1.3 Rob F: yeah.. was thinking about that.. and bought teh epson 750z Rob F: now i only carry the 850z with me every day Dale: The Barbie cam has a 240x192 which is great for the Adam. Dale: It works by serial port communication. Dale: I have the protocol document. Dale: And it's inexpensive. Rob F: true and it's not expensive.. < though i thought you might like the Jamcam3 or the WWF cam? <grin Dale: Add computer vision on a tight budget. Dale: I bought a JamCam, because it is a better camera... rich: hey, will it display to my Commodore 1702 monitor? Rob F: what was that cute blue one from Agfa??? the Smile? Dale: but I don't have the protocol, and I've found that the serial port connection ... Dale: is no where near as reliable as the USB one. Rob F: it's not the same as the barbi? Dale: So, not as suitable for the Adam. Rob F: ahh rt.. the barbi is serial not usb??? interesting Ron: Have a USB ZOOM camera here Ron: works well enough Rob F: what about older cams that were serial?? like the older DC40 and 50? Dale: The BarbieCam does up to 320x240 resolution. The JamCam goes up to 640x480. Robert Miller: Best PC cam I had was my hi8 hooked through the capture board Rob F: wait.. isnt the jamcam using a software like photoGenie>? Dale: Old digital cameras are fine, but how do I get enough for all my Adam friends. Robert Miller: now I have a kodak, which is just 1 level above junk mail on the list of things that I want to throw away ;o) Rob F: which one? Ron: are wetalking product development? Dale: So in University I built a capture board, that could interface with the Adam, but I haven't interfaced it yet. Dale: I think that it would be a good AdamNet device. So I'm trying to learn the AdamNet interface. rich: Time for me to get with the remaining chorse - have to chuck it in, folks Meeka: I had better et going guys. I have to get up and go into work early tomorrow. see you all next week Ron: be well Rich Rob F: ok.. good tro see all of you agian rich: nite Meeka Meeka: nite rich: goodnite all - see you next week Ron: me too..... just started a Linux Install (Caldera) on the iMac Ron: so better pay attention rich: RobF and Robert - great having you aboard Rob F: hehe want to ask Tim?? Dale: Rob, I'm a product developer. If the JamCam had worked out, I would have distributed it at the last AdamCon. Rob F: he's here to help with a book on linux Ron: say Hi to Tim for us Rob...good to see you here rich: bye now Ron: really1 Ron: ! Robert Miller: thanks would like to make it to Clev this year... we'll see. Robert Miller: nite all Ron: niteRobert Dale: Buy Robert, Rich, Meeka.
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Ron left chat session Dale: Rob, comeback again. It's good to see you. Rob F: gonna ahve to try Rob F: now that start trek is over..<Grin Dale: <grin> Rob F: i saved the site on my fav BobS: aah yes.......methinks the widow Slopsema is awaiting mine arrival in the upper chamber also Dale: A good series ender. I totally missed chat that week. Dale: Bye Bob. Rob F: bob. hugs to judi Dale: Well, I guess it's time for supper now. Rob F: ok.. l;ater Dale: bye. Rob F: at leat I finally showed up
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