rich: well hello Dr. D rich: got my email yet? Rich Drushel: Hello...thought I would reply in bulk tonight to all the replies I got this evening :-) Rich Drushel: Which means, yep, just read your reply. rich: you really stirred things up, I gather Rich Drushel: I had thought about posting a list of who the 12 committed people were, but figured I'd wait. rich: by the way, if you're getting squeezed, we can accelerate matters a bit Rich Drushel: After tonight, I can probably add 4 to the list. rich: I know about Ron, Guy and the Slopsema clan Rich Drushel: No, just made another deposit to the ADAMcon 13 bank account today; we're over $2100, and none of the B.A.S.I.C. rich: and I assume Herman and George Rich Drushel: people have kicked in their bux yet. rich: will Ebeneezer John be coming?
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changed username to Dale rich: hi Dale Dale: Hi all. Rich Drushel: I haven't heard anything from Ebenezer since, oh, ADAMcon 8 or so...so it's unlikely. Rich Drushel: Hello Dale. rich: pity - he seemed like a decent type, and interested Dale: How's it going? Rich Drushel: Jean Davies is a remote possibility, but none of the other B.A.S.I.C. crew are going to be in town during the convention weekend. rich: bummer! Rich Drushel: Dale, I'm swamped, as usual anymore :-) Dale: Well, I've noticed that you've been keeping a lower profile, so I guessed. rich: by the way, have found a new Adam user and invited him to join us Rich Drushel: I see the path through the minefield of my next 5 weeks, but I'm not relishing having to walk it. rich: you teaching a summer semester? Rich Drushel: But hey, hotel, food, T-shirts and banner are nailed, so nobody will have to sleep in the street. Dale: Have you made up a session schedule for AdamCon yet? rich: just make sure the menu is more than pizza and hamburgers - Rich Drushel: Yes Rich, I am, starting Monday: my 2-week summer robot course for high school teachers. 10 days, 9-4 PM. Rich Drushel: Oh Herman and George wouldn't stand for that, believe me... rich: with Herman doing the food, I worry about his standards Rich Drushel: George was the one who made the final deal with the food. So, don't expect to see chicken on the menu. rich: or has he got religion on the subject nopw he's a married man? Rich Drushel: My main concern will be to see that there is "crispy bacon" for the Mighty Mitchell :-) rich: chicken I can live with; it's fish a can't eat Rich Drushel: I'll remember that, Rich... Dale: He's already talking about it in anticipation.
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changed username to BobSlopsema rich: Frances likes to fill up on bunny food, but we'll likely bring or buy some fruit for ourselves anyway Rich Drushel: Well, if I have to bring an electric frying pan and cook it myself in my room, Ron will have crispy bacon. BobSlopsema: howdy boys!!! BobSlopsema: just sent ya a message Richar! rich: well, hello Bob rich: ! Rich Drushel: Hello Mr. Slopsema...your $$$ arrived yesterday, were deposited today. Dale: Hi Bob. BobSlopsema: money uis on the way rich: first of the Slopsemas on the scene tonight BobSlopsema: COOL!!! BobSlopsema: now to get the Torontorian contingent to commit.......... BobSlopsema: get Doug and Meeka's??? Dale: Jill still hasn't heard back from work. Rich Drushel: They did; you'll have to read the chat log from before you came it. BobSlopsema: Jill coming Dakle??? BobSlopsema: bummer! Rich Drushel: Meeka sent me their stuff a week ago. Dale: They wanted all vacation days booked back inJanuary. rich: Bob, if I try to multitask from within this chat applet, I crash hard BobSlopsema: perverts, I say!!!!!!!!! BobSlopsema: what about Neal????? Rich Drushel: Hey, my Powermac 6100 is multitasking this chat applet okay right now ;-) rich: you Apple owners just don't understand what us poor Wintel users have to put up iwth rich: or maybe you do and that's why you have Macs Dale: Neil was trying to decide between AdamCon and the Canadian National Scout Jamboree in PEI. He usually does both, but ... Dale: This time they are on at the same time. Rich Drushel: Dale, you have my sympathy...Joan has worked for 13 years and still isn't high enough on the seniority to get vacation anytime between June and August. Dale: Murray was on last week though. BobSlopsema: oh shucks! he can only be a kid once, so that would put him in the market for both things, eh? Rich Drushel: As for Macs, this one is a dumpster-dive rescue...opened it up to find a 250 MHz G3 accelerator board in it Rich Drushel: (the 6100 is usually 66 MHz). Put in 72 MB RAM, add RAM Doubler, it works nice. BobSlopsema: thought this was also your anniversary celebration Rich rich: some guys have all the luck! Rich Drushel: Anniversary would have been if we got the 3rd week in July (for 19 July, to be exact). BobSlopsema: well........we can help celebrate EARLY!!!!! Rich Drushel: Joan still doesn't even know if she's working on the 19th or not; the 6-week schedule doesn't go that far. Rich Drushel: Joan's also working for half the convention...you might see her a bit, but she can't stay at the hotel as a delegate. Rich Drushel: I'm planning on buying one other full delegate slot and rotating whichever of the girls is interested through it, on a day-by-day basis. Dale: Well, we look forward to getting to say Hi to her, at least. rich: I guess even seeing her half time will be an improvement from most conventions Rich Drushel: I think we can all make the banquet, though, so I'll pay their way for that. BobSlopsema: COOL!!!! rich: that will be neat, haven't seen all your family together ever Rich Drushel: Gotta get a little free labor from that delegate slot, though, maybe making up party trays etc. Rich Drushel: Hmm, if I can remember the URL, I have a photo of all the kids (Easter) up on my desktop's webpage... let me look a sec. rich: Bob, you in the part of the midwest that's having rough weather? BobSlopsema: NOPE! it is HOT though BobSlopsema: today was 90 fahrenheit and 75% humidity rich: yes, we got up to 82, maybe more today, and humid BobSlopsema: tomorrow a few degrees warmer BobSlopsema: maybe headed your way sir! rich: yes, we're supposed to get slightly cooler Saturday though Rich Drushel: Ditto for Cleveland. No real rain recently. BobSlopsema: BUYT, the A/C is NICE rich: we haven't had ours on yet - we use it very little BobSlopsema: heck Rich, we had a record od 10" for May and June is raining about a total of 3" already rich: normally the night cools down well and we can get by with exhaust fans BobSlopsema: today is the first time this year we have turned it on Rich Drushel: Ahh, here's where to find pix of the 4 girls: rich: yes, we had double normal rainfall for May, too BobSlopsema: and i think it will saty on thru tomorrow night Rich Drushel: http://drushel.cwru.edu/rfd/girls2.jpg Rich Drushel: May was rainy and cool, so the grass grew alot. The last 2 days have been the first really hot & muggy ones of the season. rich: got it Rich Rich Drushel: They're growing up fast, aren't they? rich: just give me a nice sunny weekend for the race - with a cool breeeze off the lake Rich Drushel: Today was Elanor's 5th-grade graduation; tomorrow is Christina's 8th-grade graduation. BobSlopsema: but, but, where's the 'dad'????? Dale: Yup. They look bigger all the time. <grin> Rich Drushel: Oh, you want Dad? I got some of those, too: rich: I have to look later BobSlopsema: :-) rich: maybe the conflict is between Opera and the applet Rich Drushel: http://drushel.cwru.edu/rfd/rfd-1.jpg Rich Drushel: (1st-place winner in 2000 CWRU Ugly Professor contest at Halloween) rich: going fior the double this fall? Rich Drushel: I've been moving up in the contest: 1998 3rd place, 1999 2nd place, they didn't have the contest in 2000, and 1st place this year. Rich Drushel: A nicer picture of me (in the robot lab) is at Rich Drushel: http://drushel.cwru.edu/rfd/rfd1.jpg Dale: Alas poor Yulrich Rich Drushel: I chewed him, Horatio... rich: you been building battle bots, Rich? Rich Drushel: So now that you know for sure that I'm whacked out...don't hesitate to send me your ADAMcon 13 $$$, they're in good hands :-) BobSlopsema: well, if tha pic don't scare ya nuthin will!!!! Rich Drushel: No battlebots...however, I did co-write an article about the show for the Weekly Reader. Rich Drushel: I got asked to be a technical reviewer of a freelance submission they got, and the article had so many errors about the Rich Drushel: tech that I had to rewrite 5 paragraphs of it and redraw an illustration. Rich Drushel: For that, I got to be co-author and paid $300...nice for an afternoon's work. BobSlopsema: a second easy vocation to be sure! Rich Drushel: The editor found me through a web search, he was just sort of looking around. rich: that's what you get for going to school and paying attention BobSlopsema: tell him to bring more on, a little at at ime!!! Rich Drushel: Well, it pushed me into a higher tax bracket...so I only netted about $100 of it :-( rich: great heavens, what is your top tax rate? ours is only about 29% Rich Drushel: I think it was just a quirk of where I was in the tax table. BobSlopsema: yup, you were just below the jump and that put you just abover the jump rich: or do you combine state and federal tax on your returns? that would also influence things Rich Drushel: No, US federal is figured first, a partial result from that is the input to the state and local. rich: fairly similar to our setup, then, except we don't have local
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changed username to ron's old Mac Rich Drushel: I lucked out in the end, though, because I neglected to add in some daycare expenses, which created a credit elsewhere. rich: hi Ron Rich Drushel: Hey, another MacUser tonight! I'm on a Powermac 6100 with a 250 MHz G3 accelerator board! rich: still refilling teh resevoirs out your way?
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changed username to Pamela rich: hello daughter Dale: Hi Pam Pamela: Hi there ron's old Mac: Hi Pamela rich: Dr. D. is on to find out hwo is sure for Adamcon ron's old Mac: on the other side of the room Rich Rich Drushel: Hello Pamela...your Dad tells me you might be coming to visit me in Cleveland...sure hope it works out for you. Pamela: Hi, I got here just in time to save you from technobabble Rich Drushel: Drat, you were needed in the writing offices of Star Trek:Voyager about 7 years ago! Where were you? Pamela: Rich, it looks like things are working out for us - but financing is still an issue ron's old Mac: right Pam.... I like it when you do that BobSlopsema: HI PAM!!! Pamela: Are you kidding? I like the technobabble on ST:V Pamela: Hi, Bob ron's old Mac: Rich D. Did you get my money order? Pamela: I just don't speak it myself Dale: She was modifying the main deflectofr dish to emit a tetrion pulse or rotating frequencies. Pamela: Otherwise known as nuking my dinner Pamela: Tetrion radiation is a sign of a cloaked ship - maybe we have Romulans and don't know it ron's old Mac: you do that with a reflex klystron Pam Rich Drushel: Yes Ron, your money arrived safely and has been both deposited and credited to the ADAMCON THIRTEEN bank account.
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left chat session ron's old Mac: good Rich Drushel: But what about the toilets backing up into the warp drive engines? ron's old Mac: you know what Scotty said, Pamela: That's okay Rich, they just eject the warp core ron's old Mac: the more complicated the plumbing ron's old Mac: .... Rich Drushel: ...the easier it is to stop up the drain. ron's old Mac: :) Pamela: But what about the Hysenberg principle? ron's old Mac: How are you doing for presenters Rich (D.) ?? rich: that's HEi..., daughter Pamela: the question stands corrected Rich Drushel: As stated in my E-mail, I could still use a few. ron's old Mac: What..... water displaced is proportional to the mass of the object displacing it? rich: I'm uncertain ron's old Mac: no that was Archimedes Pamela: No, that you can never know exactly where an object is in both space and time ron's old Mac: the guy in the bathtub rich: eureka! Rich Drushel: The Blinovich Limitation Effect? Pamela: therefore, the HEIsenberg compensator is what makes the transporter work Rich Drushel: Oops, sorry, I was in the Doctor Who universe... Pamela: Oh lord, I forgot I was arguing physics with a PhD. ron's old Mac: yeah.... eh? Pamela: take off, you hoser Rich Drushel: Ph.D. biology doesn't imply any expertise in physics. This is the "Linus Pauling Effect". Pamela: I rest my case ron's old Mac: I know about Linus blankets rich: except you work on Adams instead of Vitamin C? Pamela: but have you made any blankets for the Linus Project? ron's old Mac: betcha Linus Pauling had Linus blanket Rich Drushel: That's the connexion, Rich... Pamela: Seems to me I had one of those blankets, didn't I Dad? Rich Drushel: Linus Pauling, brilliant physicist, wins Nobel Prize for physics *and* biochemistry. ron's old Mac: since you guys are in such a creative mood tonight..... here.....give me an algorithm
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changed username to Meeka ron's old Mac: I am the drawmaster for a curling league Dale: Hi Meeka rich: well, you did have a blanket of which you were inordinately fond Meeka: hello all Pamela: Definitely out of my sphere of knowledge Pamela: Hi, Meeka Rich Drushel: But his views on Vitamin C are, shall we say, more belief system than science...but since Linus says it, it *must be true, right? ron's old Mac: no need to know anything about the game BobSlopsema: well its about time! rich: hello Meeka Dale: You just walked in on a deep theoretical physwics discussion. Meeka: ya ya i have been a little busy ron's old Mac: 6 sheets of ice, 28 teams, 3 time slots on each of 2 days per week Rich Drushel: Hi Meeka. ron's old Mac: draw me a schedule such that Pamela: That's an algorithm? ron's old Mac: each team plays the others roughly an equal number of times Pamela: Oh. Help. ron's old Mac: and each team spends roughly equal time on each sheet of ice....and ron's old Mac: each team has roughly eqqual division amongst time slots Rich Drushel: Hmm, this sounds like a data structures class assignment. rich: anyway, Rich, I did some vitamin C experimentation inspired by Linus ron's old Mac: Im sure somebody somewhere has done it Pamela: Bet I could do it if I had enough time - is the convention soon enough for an answer? ron's old Mac: sure... we dont start play till October rich: and by the time I retired had 400 days in sick leave credits built up Rich Drushel: Maybe we could do this as a SmartBASIC programming challenge for the convention? Rich Drushel: Dale can't enter :-) Probably not me, either :-) ron's old Mac: good idea. That's why I tossed it out Pamela: no - anything but programming!!! Pamela: (Pamela runs screaming from the classroom) rich: well, if you can work out the algorithm, the programmers can take over from there Rich Drushel: I have a fun contest planned for the convention, for people who consider themselves hardware types...but it's a surprise. Dale: Ohh that's be fun. ron's old Mac: pamela withdraws Rich Drushel: No soldering iron required. Dale: I'd do in in poked machine language maybe. rich: pushpins? Pamela: I can do it on paper but don't ask me to do the math ron's old Mac: Dr. Rich.... I had a thought (should you need something from me in the way of a presentation).... three software programs I've purchased Meeka: ron likes the BIG pushpins ron's old Mac: t previous ADAMcons...that never got loaded ron's old Mac: Dynamite Digitizer.... A Cartridge form the Walters brothers.... and one other to be determinded Dale: The sound dig is always fun. Pamela: What about that typing program that Scott was talking about a few weeks back? ron's old Mac: Smartdks Cartridge...(senior's moment) rich: that's Syd Carter's program, isn't it? ron's old Mac: yeah Syd's Pamela: I can't remember - woul d have to look it up in the archives ron's old Mac: anyway Rich...keep it in your back pocket Rich Drushel: Heck, I have hardware that I've bought/rescued that's never been fired up... ron's old Mac: should be Smartdsk Pamela: Dad, is Mom doing something for Logo? Rich Drushel: An entire Powermate HD/floppy system... rich: no, not appropriate for this group Meeka: Rich D. -- did you get my e-mail this morning on the colors rich: besides, she's doing most Logo on the Amiga now Rich Drushel: No, Pamela, NO! I don't want people talking about what they usually talk about at ADAMcons...and your Mom is Ms. Logo... Pamela: Well, at least one person (me) might learn something ron's old Mac: Fully support that concept Rich Rich Drushel: Meeka, yes I did...that's fine, go ahead with the colors...I'm going to use them on the T-shirt, as shown in the GIF image I posted about. ron's old Mac: think it would be neat to have presentations from those who have never done presentations Pamela: Better start looking for t's in 3X, Meeka - you'll need at least two Rich Drushel: If we can get people who've never been to an ADAMcon to come, we might have a chance at that :-) rich: yes, but what is there left to talk about? Meeka: haven't seen it yet. just got on my computer and came here ron's old Mac: true Meeka: at leaset two what Pam Pamela: Don;t look at me, Rich, I'm barely ADAm literate Pamela: T shirts, meeka Rich Drushel: Rich, there's *tons* to talk about...it can even be stuff we've heard before. But a new messenger can make it "new" again. Meeka: why, doug is the only one who wears the. Dale: Does that mean that you now know everything that's worth knowing? Maybe ... Dale: you sohulkd do a session on "The most valuable lessons to be learned from the Adam" rich: no, more a reflection of vast funds of ignorance Dale: And you can share it with us. Pamela: I'll wear mine - we can make them into a fashion statement Rich Drushel: And a newbie seminar is the best kind, because it's carried forth by 100% enthusiasm. And enthusiasm is contagious to the audience. ron's old Mac: indeed Rich Drushel: Rich C. is one of the arms I would like to twist for some public thoughts at a session...though perhaps I should save him for ADAMcon 0E hex :-) Pamela: Can the audience heckle the old hands? Rich Drushel: Heckle, Jeckle, Hyde, Seek, whatever!\ Dale: Always. rich: yes, I do hope to honour that promise, Dr. D Pamela: No, I have Jekyll and Hyde at work in the form of my boss Rich Drushel: ROTFL don't we all ron's old Mac: I wanna see those cute little Lego robot thingies rich: after all, only two years to go Pamela: Me too, Ron Rich Drushel: I just hope I'm not somebody's J & H right now :-) Meeka: brb Pamela: No, you sound too stable for that Rich ron's old Mac: stable? Rich Drushel: Ron, you'll be buildin' some of 'em at the Saturday session! Dale: Rich D do you have AdamNet device controler code sources? ron's old Mac: good....will look forward to that rich: it's just a front he puts up - he's really a Mad Professor
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changed username to james Pamela: Mom will love that - she is a Lego addict Pamela: Hi, James! Rich Drushel: Look at my GIF URLs I talked about earlier tonight (look 'em up in the log) james: morning :) rich: morning, james ron's old Mac: speaking of slugs......... we have a strain out here that actually appears to enjoy Corry's slug bate james: how is everyone? BobSlopsema: hey! james!!!! Rich Drushel: Hello James, long time, no chat (from me) ron's old Mac: hi James Dale: I'm interested in making a cable from the AdamNet to the PC parallel port. Pamela: Great (sunburn aside) james: hi richd! it's been awhile :) Rich Drushel: Slug bait...what do you use? ron's old Mac: How about a USB/serial interface rich: out on the west coast, they come so big they use harpoons Pamela: Try moth crystals - or is that for raccons? Pamela: sorry, raccoons rich: micde ron's old Mac: It's a brand name up here..... Corry's. Dale: I've been thinging about that since ron's old Mac: powder sprinkled around affected plants BobSlopsema: give them beer Ron, they love it andf then drown in it Rich Drushel: Let me guess: MAX232 chip to bring the ADAMnet signal lines to RS-232 levels, then a serial-to-parallel converter? rich: we have some sort of pellets Dale: Nov 99...but USB chipsets are still a little beyond my reach. BobSlopsema: works every time ron's old Mac: If I could choose a topic that I'd like to hear about....... tell ya what I want, what I really really want... BobSlopsema: course, ya gotta keep changin the beer or takin out the dead slugs Dale: Maybe A USB joystick will sucumb to my will yet though. Pamela: American or Canadian beer, Bob? Rich Drushel: do tell, do tell, do tell, Ron... ron's old Mac: would like to know how a standard overlay file is structured and a device driver file rich: you wouldn't waste good Canadian ale on a slug! BobSlopsema: any beer, rpeferable generic Rich Drushel: For CP/M and TDOS, yes? Pamela: you're gonna import American for the slugs, Dad? ron's old Mac: beer....I knew about that, but havent' tried it on this crew BobSlopsema: ok use the cheap us stuff......... ron's old Mac: yes those OS particularly Dale: That sounds like a CP/M topic if I ever heard one. rich: will you provide an English translation? ron's old Mac: Would like to fix the QTERM VT100 overlay so it works properly on the ADAM Rich Drushel: There was a place in California which was selling original CP/M developers kits for $8 US, DRI original, which had ron's old Mac: if C64 can do it, we should be able to do it Pamela: Rich, do we have a day to day schedule yet? Dale: Rich D, I was thinking of using either a microconjtroller, or a pure software implementation on te PC. Dale: But I'm as always open to suggestions. Rich Drushel: BIOS skeletons and all the low-level info like that...I bought some and I know I gave one copy to Zonker. Did I give you one, Ron? ron's old Mac: don't think so Rich Pamela: brb - I'm missing my glasses Dale: Ron, I have a fixed version of that. ron's old Mac: It's Ok Pamela, you can't see anything you haven't seen before james: so where will the con be held next year? Rich Drushel: Not on the website...but I can put one up. The time blocks for sessions and meals etc. are set, if that's what you mean. ron's old Mac: great Dale.... I will take that up with ya Rich Drushel: James, give me a chance to get this one out the door before jumping to next year :-) :-) rich: one thought was the Florida panhandle Pamela: Ron, if I don't have my glasses, I can ron's old Mac: Tell me....one and all... Pamela: t see anything Rich Drushel: Okay Ron, I'll dig out my copy and bring it...it just might have the stuff you're looking for in it. ron's old Mac: has anyone invited PJ? rich: Howard Pines was making noises on the subject last year ron's old Mac: tks Rich Drushel: I spoke to PJ by phone about 3 months ago. She was interested in coming, but her finances and health were very bad, she said. ron's old Mac: ok.... but she knows the dates Rich Drushel: There was lots of bad karma undertone; she sounded like she was in some difficult situations. rich: just keep her posted and hope for the best ron's old Mac: PJ is ALWAYS in a situation Rich Drushel: I can ring her up and see what she says. I believe she and Dale are the only remaining people who've been to them all? rich: yes ron's old Mac: somehow she manages to come thru it..... If I had that much misfortune....well, I dunno Dale: Yes. everyone else has missed at least one. ron's old Mac: 'cept you Dale? Pamela: I shoulda come along when I was still on my parents ticket BobSlopsema: yup, that's right Pam Rich Drushel: Well, I'll see what I can do. Gotta see if I can find the phone number she gave me (she called me in the lab late one night). Pamela: Hindsight is 20/20 Dale: PJ and I have made an appearance at every 'Con. Rich Drushel: Well, there will be lots of live stuff on the net... ron's old Mac: (407)788-6396 Dale: Rich D, did you say you have documentation on the AdamNet protocol? Rich Drushel: Full streaming video when we're at CWRU, updating web still camera for at the hotel. Pamela: Actually Dad, if you think about it, this is #XIII - so if # 1 was in '88, then it was already too late. rich: oh ron's old Mac: I do have a disk Rich (D.) that you gave me in Seattle rich: but you could have come to 02 Pamela: True ron's old Mac: think the whole thing is on there Pamela: besides, I used up my vacation that year going to Pennsic ron's old Mac: Also..... another agenda item..... rich: well, you could have done some evening socializing Rich Drushel: I don't think I have anything you don't have, Dale...I have the 6801 listings that Chris Braymen gave me. ron's old Mac: (Ron's Annual late night unsolvable question) Dale: I have none of those things Rich D. Pamela: go on Ron Rich Drushel: Okay, I will make a note to myself to photocopy you a set. ron's old Mac: has to do with SmartBasic 1.x performance on my MI Hard drive......(previously described) Dale: It is relevant to me now, I wasn't particularly interested at the time. ron's old Mac: does not properly indicated the volume I'm logged into ron's old Mac: wrong tense Dale: Thanks. That'll be useful. I recently realized I have no information on the over the wire protocol other than the documented speed. Dale: I'd like to make a AdamNet interface for AdamServe running on a PC. I think that it would be a trulely facinating project. Rich Drushel: Dale, you need to read any Motorola 6801/03/05/11 data book about the asynchronous serial port. Rich Drushel: It tells how to create a 1-line serial network using a built-in protocol. Pamela: James, you're too quiet - what's happening on your side of the world? Rich Drushel: ADAMnet is a straightforward implementation of this protocol. BobSlopsema: so you paid it no attention eh? Dale: Gotya. Does it the 6801 controller use the standard framing suggested by a 6801 then? james: sorry pam, i'm a little slow this morning :) ron's old Mac: James, my son, a question Dale: Right. Sounds good. Pamela: Well, go get your coffee and wake up james: keeping busy with my school. Dale: Is the power level standard TTL levels too? ron's old Mac: perhaps I've already asked you ron's old Mac: do you recall the name John Krzyzanowski from the early AUFG days? Pamela: Are you running through the summer too? Dale: Since you're all hear, I have an announcement to make... james: ron, is that question for me? ron's old Mac: here here Pamela: dum de de dum . . . Rich Drushel: Dale, in brief, there is a way to configure the 68xx serial port so that it can receive one message burst, ron's old Mac: yea James...for you Dale: Jill is expecting. So a new Wick will be due Dec 27. james: pam, i run straight through, but will be taking 4 days off in the middle of august. Pamela: CONGRATULATIONS! Dale: Thanks. Meeka: yes congrats dale james: the name is familiar rich: oh wow! congratulations, Dale and Jill Rich Drushel: then go to sleep and ignore any subsequent message burst until a certain idle time between characters elapses. ron's old Mac: super Dale! james: congratulations! ron's old Mac: congrats Pamela: How is Jill feeling? Rich Drushel: Wow Dale, congratulations!!!! ron's old Mac: the newest Adamite Dale: Jill is excited, nervious, nautious, the whole gamut <grin> Rich Drushel: This is how all ADAMnet devices can listen to a single line and then not talk on top of each other. You need one master and all the rest slaves, though. Pamela: are you getting sympathy cravings? Rich Drushel: Cravings for the nausea to stop (I speak from experience) ron's old Mac: Ok now Dr. D. tell me..... is there any comparison at all between ADAMnet and the Apple Desktop Bus ron's old Mac: ??? BobSlopsema: COOL!!!!!!! BobSlopsema: CONGRATS!!!! Dale: Naturally. I assumed that it is some type of token passing system. The Adam runs slightly slower with more AdamNe t devices doing DMA. Pamela: James, do the Japanese kids get a summer break from regular school? Rich Drushel: I haven't looked at any true low-level specs for ADB, but my guess is, logically similar, but physically very different. james: if one could call it that, yes but they still have their club activities. Pamela: So to attend with you is not a big deal then - good news for you BobSlopsema: CONGRATS DALE!!!! (why the heck are my msgs gettin lost) ron's old Mac: right Rich Drushel: We see you, Bob... (I do, anyway) Pamela: you need to speak to your ISP there, Bob rich: they're coming up on our screens, Bob james: since they come to me in the evenings, it doesn't interfere much but occasionally they call and cancel for some club related reason ron's old Mac: yes, I see a Bob james: which annoys the hell out of me. not much i can do about it though. Rich Drushel: Alas for ADB, Apple have phased it out in favor of USB and firewire... james: when and if i have kids, i do not want them going to jhs and hs here. Pamela: Are you going to send them back here? ron's old Mac: well the iMac's USB seems to perform similar tasks..... hook a CD-RW to it, a mouse, a keyboard, a cam, whatever Dale: USB is at a high level very similar to AdamNet. Rich Drushel: I like the big Apple ADB keyboards, AT style, not those junky toy translucent USB ones...yuck. james: i am and they can stay with my parents or i'll move back for awhile and go back to school myself. 12 years from now is still Dale: One master, many slaves. BobSlopsema: albeit late................. james: a little past the horizon so who knows. Rich Drushel: USB is ADAMnet on non-Motorola hardware, probably... BobSlopsema: I seem to be about 20 steps behind ron's old Mac: except I'm beginning to discover, some USB devices don't like eachother Pamela: true - and by that time you may not want them going to school in Ontario, given what's happening to our sy stem right now Rich Drushel: hehe...some USB devices are more equal than others... rich: I've heard mice and keyboards don't co-exist happily ron's old Mac: or there isn't enough power to go around Dale: I'm still working towards an AdamNet camera. Pamela: where are you, Bob? What have you missed? james: japan too is on a mission to dumb down its curriculum. i'll probably educate my children myself and consider anything they Dale: I have a lead on a new 320x240 digital camera. Now to see if I can get the protocol specs. james: do at school "supplementary". ron's old Mac: Well my Zoom Cam and my interface with the VCR dont work if connected to my USB hub at the same time ron's old Mac: individually they will work fine Pamela: At least that way you're guaranteed they will learn to read rich: it's OK Ron, the new USB 2.0 is out and you can have a whole new set of problems james: yes, reading, math, the whole works. Pamela: and spell - something that's iffy from our system ron's old Mac: and nothing works with OS X except my XLR8 scroll mouse ron's old Mac: oh joy
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changed username to Guy B. ron's old Mac: the mor complicated the plumbing Rich Drushel: No ADB or floppy drive access in OS X, right? rich: hello Guy, you're late Pamela: Altho' I must admit that spelling is a hit and miss sort of thing - some people are better at it than others james: and in the case here, i'll be sure my kids get a version of their history that isn't glossed over. Rich Drushel: Hello Guy...you are now paid up in full :-) Pamela: Hi, Guy ron's old Mac: that's correct Rich D. ron's old Mac: it's really wet off the cutting room floor Guy B.: A friend of mine from Pittsburgh came in and we all went out to dinner. Pamela: Cdn or Japanese history? ron's old Mac: doesn't support much I've got Guy B.: Thanks Dr. D. BobSlopsema: not missing anything, but it seems my msgs are completely out of tune with the rest of ya! Guy B.: Hi Pam. ron's old Mac: including the Java applet on this chat prog of Dales. If I want to use the iMac I have to reboot to OS 9.1 james: well, i want them to have both, but i don't like the way they teach history here. glossing over their wartime atrocities etc. Rich Drushel: Bob's in an alternate timestream tonight...there's technobabble for ya, Pamela! Guy B.: Ron, which Old Mac are you on? Dale: Bob you can always enter a second time. And see if the new window works better. Rich Drushel: Ron, do you know if 68K programs run under the OS 9.1 compatibility box of OS X? Pamela: Well, the Canadians didn't treat the Japanese here very well during the war either - but the truth is always a good policy ron's old Mac: LC475 Guy. 68040 processor at 33 mhz Guy B.: That would be one of the early ones, right? ron's old Mac: interesting question Rich. Have never tried any. can answer that in a day or so ..... will try one or two james: i know all about the internment camps. not good but at least we don't try to hide it. ask any korean or chinese what they think of the way james: they teach history here. you'll get an earful, i assure you. ron's old Mac: yes Guy..... 1997 circa Rich Drushel: 040 at 33 MHz, that's a late 68K machine. Pamela: Will you translate? ron's old Mac: yes BobSlopsema: GUY, mi boy!!!!! james: translate what? ron's old Mac: So what's it doing on The Cable.... Pamela: to Korean or Chinese so I can ask ron's old Mac: damned if I knw. but here it is james: don't speak any korean and only a smattering of chinese. :) ron's old Mac: a tad slow for surfing, but fine for chats Guy B.: Wow, you can't use the new Mac OS X on that. So what version OS this Mac is running on? james: i can read more chinese than i can speak. Pamela: Better by far than I can do ron's old Mac: oh no Guy., no OS x on this one.... OS 8.1 is as new as it gets here Pamela: which is zip Rich Drushel: I have a beautiful Quadra 840 AV here at home...also dumpster-dive rescue...it's good for video capture and ron's old Mac: OS X requires a G3 minimum james: there was a big flap recently (still going on) as the new edition of the history text book here now refers to the nanking massacre as james: the nanking "incident". Rich Drushel: graphics editing using Canvas 3.5.3 68K :-) It was my home Mac until I found this 6100 with the G3 accelerator hidden inside. Guy B.: Ok, just curious. I remember that certain Macs couldn't run the newest operating systems. How much memory is that one? rich: yes, that even made teh papers here' ron's old Mac: I know rich....... hate to let them go Pamela: I am envious of your kids - they will be at home in two cultures and two languages ron's old Mac: 32 meg Guy Pamela: obviously Bob's trying again james: i'm going to encourage them to take canadian citizenship though. they'll have dual citizenship until they'Re 22. ron's old Mac: sounds like a good and useful computer Rich Rich Drushel: Sonnet Technologies makes great G3/G4 upgrade cards for things like the 7200 and 7600 PPC Macs. Guy B.: Runs pretty well on the Net.
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changed username to Roberto2 ron's old Mac: Have a 17 inch monitor on this here LC475, and it's very easy to look at Pamela: Well, Roberto, any better? rich: ah Bob, now maybe you'll getr it working right Rich Drushel: We got a 400 MHz G3 upgrade card for a Powerbook 1400 (now my laptop computer), and it screams...too bad its RAM tops out at 64 MB, too small for OS X. Roberto2: DAT BETTER? james: i don't know why it's 22. couldn't tell you. Roberto2: yup Pamela: What are the drinking / driving / voting ages there? Pamela: Oh, I should add smoking to that Dale: Don't drink and drive Pam. ron's old Mac: mmm Dale: Not even on voting day. james: driving is 18, drinking is 20 and i'm not sure about voting and it likely doesn't matter. Guy B.: This Athlon is the best investment I made. It really speeds through on the Internet and I ran one of the Millionaire games on it and Regis is in sync with the voice. I had that problem on the old system. Pamela: Dale, that is just no fun rich: how do you get through voting day without a drink? ron's old Mac: That's where the rubber hits the road these days Guy. If you can get the sound and the pic together, you ahead Pamela: You go to work first Dale: Well, someone has to be the responsible one. <grin> Rich Drushel: Drink water! Pamela: That's you, Mr. Parent to be Dale: Hi Roberto. Welcome. Roberto2: si senor! ron's old Mac: upgraded my iMac to 256 Meg of Ram, and now the video stuff is almost watchable james: i think that's bobs Guy B.: I still use the P133 for Quicken, some old Dos games and programming. I transfered my webpages to the new one and I'm going to switch the printers this weekend. Pamela: I see we have traded in the american Bob for a spanish one Roberto2: from ol mehico, i be...land of speedy gonzales!!!! Roberto2: YEha!!!!! Pamela: arriba, arriba, andale ron's old Mac: i see 9 people in attendance ron's old Mac: is that maxed out? Dale: So are we all synched yup now? Roberto2: was afraidk if I came back as 'bob' I'd jinx it Guy B.: And it's bad enough that the other day. My windows got smashed by a friend of mine's brother. Pamela: not by a long shot, Ron Rich Drushel: I lak that Roberto2, heez so seelee! Dale: Ron, I've had up to 15 on at once. Guy B.: This was on my car on the driver's side. ron's old Mac: ok Pamela: he's not the only one, Rich Roberto2: si senior!!!!! ;-) ron's old Mac: So Robert S just kinda fell off the table then Pamela: Again Guy? what is with this car? Pamela: Actually Ron, off the wagon ron's old Mac: nah. Not our bob Roberto2: yup, yup, yup......... Roberto2: smacked 'im right off, mate! Rich Drushel: I *knew* I shoulda made that left turn at Albuquerque... Pamela: it's the tequila - it'll get you every time ron's old Mac: what we seem to have here is an insidious change of identity Pamela: Um, Rich, doesn't that take you to Texas? Roberto2: ah, yes, the leetle worm!!!!!! Roberto2: YEha! Rich Drushel: Depends whether I was drivin' east or west when I turned, dinnit? Guy B.: My 93 Buick. Tell you what happened. I was going to bring the last computer over and his brother has a hot temper. He smashed my window for no apparent reason. Police were called and I filed a criminal damage report. But, I declined to press charges, fearing he might decide to find out where I live and try to hurt me. Pamela: true james: dale, any luck on those manuals? i've got a 5.25" drive on my pc now and i'm going to try and read my adam disk with the macadam manual Roberto2: Rich Just "where" approx is the hotel?????? Dale: If you're following, I suggested Bob open a second window. To resynchronize his conversation with ours only... james: and make a hard copy of it. Pamela: Nice friends, Guy Dale: He ended up in Mexico. Guy B.: By the way. He won't be getting that P75 that I brought back from Bob. Meeka: i had better go for the night. have a few things that need to get done befor bed. see you all next week Guy B.: Bye Meeka. Roberto2: bye Meeka ron's old Mac: be well Meeka Rich Drushel: There's a map on the convention webpage...it's real easy to get to, right off of I-480. Just a bit west of downtown Cleveland. james: bye meeka. sleep well. Dale: James, I haven't had time to copy them yet, but it's on my todo list. rich: night Meeka Pamela: Meeka - more words next time, okay? Have a great nite Rich Drushel: NIghty-night Meeka! Roberto2: hookay.......
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left chat session Pamela: James, what happened? james: thanks :) i know you're busy. i'm going to start with macadam. actually i may need someone to make a disk image for me as i had macadam james: on the hard drive and it seems to be corrupt. Guy B.: Oh boy. ron's old Mac: Rich D. fer yer info (unless I already told ya) my flight get's to Cleveland at 9:05 p.m. ron's old Mac: save food! Pamela: God forbid Ron might miss dinner james: what's that question pam? ron's old Mac: hell yes..... and I hate that Pamela: Sorry, James, thought that was you that bounced and came back Rich Drushel: 9:05 PM, got it...the hotel has a shuttle to the airport, which isn't that far away anyhow. rich: if you've got Customs preclearance, the hotel's only a mile from the airport and has a shuttle ron's old Mac: Do they have any Harvey's Hamburgers in Cleveland? Pamela: wow, stereo ron's old Mac: good james: i think harvey's is canadian ron. Dale: I'm pretty sure I have a MacAdam disk on my web site somewhere. ron's old Mac: aw james: i'll poke around for it then dale :) Guy B.: I'll be driving in to Cleveland. Pamela: No, Harvey's in the US too - they share with Church's chicken Rich Drushel: No Harvey's that I know of...but I will personally guarantee you crispy bacon, if I have to make it myself in my room in an electric skillet. ron's old Mac: ALL RIGHT!!!! james: wish i could go. rich: Rich, how is teh hotel for noise? Pamela: We want you there, James - even if only in spirit Roberto2: whoa Ron!!!!!!!!! just wait another 30 days for the bacon!!!!! ron's old Mac: (fist pumping from the west coast) rich: I see it's between the interstate, railwasy and airport Rich Drushel: It was quiet when we were there? Hard to answer...depends if there is a big Polish wedding in there that weekend or not :-) Pamela: should feel just like allyour KOA;s, Dad Guy B.: Rich, do you know if we're going to have a online chat for one of the days during the convention? rich: by location, put a pig farm upwind and it could be a KOA Rich Drushel: Yes, of course, easy to do...we just camp out here. Pamela: Arent' we gonna do Saturday? ron's old Mac: tradition... Pamela: as Ron breaks into song Guy B.: Great, I'll bring my notebook with a modem. ron's old Mac: :) :) Rich Drushel: That's the usual day...it might be later in the evening than customary because of supper in Little Italy at the end of the CWRU road trip. Pamela: Hey, maybe they'll do Fiddler next year at Stratford Guy B.: That I'm looking forward to. ron's old Mac: I'd love to see that show live...... rich: no, the Saturday chat time is 3 p.m. Pamela: Me too ron's old Mac: cold tea....yuck Rich Drushel: If everything works out, there may be things other than the chat to use the modem with...so yes, be sure to bring a modem-capable computer. ron's old Mac: nuke time... brb Pamela: We went to Stratford last weekend - saw The Sound of Music and Henry V ron's old Mac: iMac is coming Guy B.: I got Corecomm Internet setup on it. Just need to get the dialup numbers for Ohio. Rich Drushel: (Vancouver Island vanishes in atomic cloud) Pamela: LOL!!
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changed username to Ron rich: ah, Ron's back Rich Drushel: Boy am I the wrong person to ask, being a T-totaller :-) Pamela: Since when do you have to log off to heat your tea, Ron Ron: Booted from the scene was I Rich Drushel: I can look, though... Ron: materialized yet am I now rich: might affect how long we stay.... rich: what ar smoking rules in Cleveland, by the way? Pamela: forsooth, Ronald, you were sorely missed Rich Drushel: Just saw the flash on the latest satellite photo of the West Coast at www.nasa.gov/jpl/ Guy B.: I have a cousin who lives in Medina. I might make a visit to her if I have time. Rich Drushel: :-)
Ron left chat session Pamela: good question, Dad rich: lost Ron aggain Rich Drushel: You can smoke in Mamma Santas. I can make sure you get a smoking room in the hotel. Dale: Bring no nuke with you though Ron. Pamela: I think Ron just got booted again rich: the hotel I did know about, as I'm booked there June 30 Pamela: How many of us are smokers? Pamela: Aside from Dad and I, that is Rich Drushel: You'll be in town 30 June?!? Dale: Not I. rich: us, Herman, don't know about any others Pamela: Good for you, Dale Guy B.: Well gang. Although I haven't been on long, I have to check the e-mail. I'll see you all next week. Saturday, I'm not sure yet. My nephew has a ball game and I plan to go out to see him play. See you all, then. rich: I will be at the CART race at Burke Lakefront Airport Rich Drushel: I'd be glad to stop by to say hi if convenient. Dale: Bye Guy. Rich Drushel: So long, Guy. rich: be at the hotel Fri-Sat-Sun nites Pamela: G'nite Guy - get a good bodyguard for that car of yours rich: see you, Guy Guy B.: The alarm is my bodyguard. Dale: I have to go too. Things to do ... Dale: Bye all
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changed username to imac Pamela: you should have reservations from us shortly imac: booted again was I imac: returned have I now rich: hello ron g'nite Pam imac: gnite Pam Pamela: missed were you Ron, but lo, Imust depart Rich Drushel: Could be 20 minutes. There's a real bottleneck at Deadman's Curve (90 degree turn, about 30-yard radius). Pamela: I go. Roberto2: welcome back WEST Coast!!!!! imac: aha
Pamela left chat session imac: indeed rich: hoo boy - that's on East 9th? Roberto2: but now.....alas, I must boogie out too! Rich Drushel: If you need exact specs, I'll have to drive it and time it; nothing takes me downtown during rush hour. I use the train :-) rich: no sweat, just wondering how early I have to get up to make the first race Roberto2: prolly won't be here next Wed....Doug's birthday and all Rich Drushel: Adios Senior Roberto Dos Roberto2: ADIOS!!!!!! imac: Doug's birthday.... how old is the young lad? rich: OK Bob I'll check that email when I leave here Roberto2: dos numero uno!!!!!! Rich Drushel: When is the first race, and on what day?
Roberto2 left chat session imac: ic rich: not sure - my cursor crony from Phoenix has the tickets rich: but the races are Saturday and Sunday - there are supporting events to the big one Rich Drushel: Well, you won't go wrong if you come early... rich: for us old folks, early has a different meaning... Rich Drushel: a car buff like you should be able to hang out productively to kill time :-) rich: yes, and the earlier one arri es teh better parking opportunities should be rich: that's arrives Rich Drushel: Parking is the thing that's in short supply around Burke now... rich: not sure whre Burke would put 20 -30 thousand cars imac: well gents..... I shall depart and wish you well (not necessarily in that order) Rich Drushel: When they renovated the lakefront to build the Rock Hall, Great Lakes Science Center, Browns stadium, etc., rich: goodnight, Ron imac: Saturday???? (memory again) imac: maybe this week rich: will try, though LeMans is on imac: poof Rich Drushel: they demolished the old Muny parking lot along the shoreway. That was the traditional spot for parking for events at Municipal Stadium.
imac left chat session Rich Drushel: Bye Ron... rich: I assume the airport would have its own parking lots though, wouldn't it? Rich Drushel: Yes, likely pricey, though. Rich Drushel: If all you had to do was get from Hopkins to Burke, then the RTA is the way to go. rich: Considering the race tickets alone are $90 a pop, parking extra would be pretty chintzy Rich Drushel: Red line to downtown, transfer to the Waterfront line, get off at East 9th, you're there. Rich Drushel: $1.50 per person each way. rich: Is the RTA buses, streetcars, or private right of way? Rich Drushel: Maybe the race has a website which might detail parking possibilities? Rich Drushel: It's a train. The terminus of the Red line is Hopkins. It goes through downtown out to Windermere on the east side. rich: no, the website in infernally uncommunicative on the things that matter Rich Drushel: One stop is CWRU...you'll pass within 2 miles of my house. Rich Drushel: RTA train lines are Red, Blue, Green, and Watefront. rich: I will also be carrying a lot of stuff, so may want the truck on the scene rich: still my buddy can help - see what the weather is like Rich Drushel: So you're not coming in the Meteor? rich: no, haven't moved the Mighty Behemoth since last fall - it's strictly for trailer hauling rich: the difference between the car and the truck is that the car trailer rating is much more realistic Rich Drushel: Got it. Rich Drushel: Hope you've at least started up the Meteor since fall... rich: anyway, I'd better go check my email or Bob will be getting upset rich: I haven't so that's why I'm very dubious rich: it is going to need some very specialized TLC Rich Drushel: Well, be nice to your baby... Rich Drushel: and go check your mail. Hope to say hi when you're in town. rich: yes, they dont build them like that any more - literally rich: OK, and maybe we'll catch you on a chat in between. Our best to the family too rich: goodnight now Rich Drushel: Thanks, and say hi to your distaff half...starbase Cleveland closing hailing frequencies.
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