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changed username to Guy B. rich: hello Guy Guy B.: HI Rich, how's the weather up there? rich: got that clear and cool air mass in Chicago too? Guy B.: Well, it's cool here and we are expecting seom rain tomorrow, but it will get warmer by the weekend. rich: we're supposed to be variable tomorrowe, cold and wet Friday, and a neat weekend rich: as usual, we'll likely be about 12 hours behind you rich: saw your notice about your website and teh new postings Guy B.: Finally got the doc in for the scripts. I'm planning to demostrate them at the con. rich: I'll be looking forward to that. Won't be doing much before then on the Adam Guy B.: I'm going to restart Adamserve with the 486. Got to get a new Cmos battery for it. rich: right - that's something else I have to learn about rich: by the way, I actually have an order for an Adam Guy B.: I could use the P133 for it as well, but the 486 I put in 360K disk drives that the Adam Connection will work with. You got an order for an Adam? From who?
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changed username to rich Guy B.: Now you have a twin. rich: sorry about that - lost my connection rich: John was playing with the website earlier (my ISP) rich: must have touched the wrong connection Guy B.: You got an order for an Adam? From where? rich: think I'll leave the twin for a while yet rich: anyway, chap by teh name of George Jakenta, in PA rich: bought an Adam on eBay, wasn't happy with it Guy B.: Well, that not that far from you. Did you send it out yet? rich: in conversations I mentioned I had them for sale gauranteed working rich: he said, "I Want one" rich: no, haven't got his cheque either, but did start checking one out today rich: true, PA shares a comon border with Ontario, but Toronto to Philly is a fair piece Guy B.: I have two brand new soundboards that I sold thorough Excite Classified ads. I have the package ready to go. Just waiting for his money order. rich: actually, I tried to talk George out of it - pointed out he already had an Adam
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changed username to Dale Dale: Hi all. Guy B.: Maybe he wanted a spare Adam that works. Guy B.: Hi Dale. rich: he said he'd rather spend the money on a guaranteed good one than try to make his purchase work rich: hello Dale Dale: I just got back from the Keg Steakhouse. So I'm ready for my nap rich: I can imagine Guy B.: Guess you had your fill. rich: even if you wren't into the wine, one of their steaks can floor a man Dale: But boy was it good. Guy B.: What did you have? Dale: A 10-oz New York steak... rich: that"ll do it! Guy B.: Whoa, that's a big one. What else did you get with it? Dale: with a baked potato with butter, sour cream and bacon bits.... Guy B.: I'm in heaven. Dale: and of course mushrooms and vegies. Dale: Sgtarted with areally nice Caesar salad. rich: that's good stuff Guy B.: No mushrooms for me, but I'll take the veggies. rich: lots of anchovies? Dale: No, but crisp romaine lettuce and a creamy Caesar dressing with some fresh squeezed lemon. Guy B.: Oh, that sounds good. Dale: And of course a pint of Richard's Red beer. Dale: Rickard's rich: huh - spoilsport. Real Men want anchovies rich: yes, with steak a mild beer does work better Dale: Jill advises that the anchovies were in the dressing. rich: OK, charges of heresy are withdrawn Dale: What were you just talking about? rich: a new Adam owner, in Pennsylvania Dale: Doing breisk trade in whole Adam's? Guy B.: He got an order for an Adam. Dale: brisk rich: phopned me out of the blue one morning seeking software and information
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changed username to james Dale: Hi ya James. Guy B.: Hi James. james: morning all rich: if that's Drushel he'd better check in as Dr.D rich: good morning! Guy B.: How's everything in Japan? rich: be a bit much to have three richs james: not too bad. it's actually sunny today. rich: we're in favour of sunny Guy B.: Is it warm out there? james: not sure, haven't been outside yet :) Guy B.: Slightly cooler weather is here in Chicago. rich: yes, with your setup you keep geezer hours Dale: Scattered showers here, but I still had to water the plants. james: well we're in the rainy season now, so overall it's been cool and very, very wet. we got over 50 mm of rain on tuesday. rich: I think we got enough rain that the garden didn't need more water Dale: My plants were still parched from the sunny days earlier this week. rich: we had a very wet May, more than double normal rainfall Guy B.: Same here. Expecting some rain tomorrow. Jeanene gave me two tomato plants in pots that are outside. rich: it hasn't been that dry this month either, but no recoreds being pressed rich: Frances is delighted - one of her tomato plants has set fruit already Dale: Somehow April was dryer, but May was wetter. Guy B.: Wow, that's fast. You normally get that around August. rich: all I can tell you is that the plants love it - they're running three weeks early Guy B.: What kind of tomato plants you have Rich? rich: Betteer Boy, Early Girl, Sweet Hundreds Guy B.: No beefsteak? rich: no, they take too long to ripen here Guy B.: Plus, they are the big ones. rich: Frances goes for flavour, not size Guy B.: That what counts. The flavor of a vine ripen tomato. rich: there just isn't anything in the store that remotely compares rich: by teh end of teh season we end up giving them away by the basket
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changed username to Pamela Guy B.: Hi Pam. rich: hello daughter Pamela: Hi everyone, sorry I'm late Guy B.: You're not late. You're here. Pamela: Thank you rich: what were you watching tonight? Pamela: Why do you always assume I've been watching TV? rich: guess Pamela: The season's over now, remember? rich: how would I know? The races are in full swing Pamela: We were down at Barbara's place putting in her a/c and when we got home, there were THREE messages Guy B.: Well, ABC showed You Don't Know Jack tonight. That is one wacky game show. rich: and football doesn't even start for a couple of weeks Pamela: Guy, do you have the computer game of YDKJ? rich: let me guess - alison, Kimberley, Catharine... Pamela: Close - Allyson, Katherine and Cynthia Guy B.: No, I don't. My sister does. She has 4 seperate games of them. Pamela: so do I - they are pretty wacky especially the categories Pamela: Sorry dad, that was Kimberly, Katherine and Cynthia Guy B.: I couldn't stop laughing with those wacky catagories they used. rich: I'm surprised you aren't still talking than rich: none of them are particularly short-winded Pamela: Well, I couldn't could I? not if I wanted to chat tonite Pamela: Besides, Cynthia just wanted to verify my address so my birthday card doesn't go astray rich: true Pamela: I have a date with CT for lunch on Monday, barring baby disasters rich: pity she can't be persuaded to use email Pamela: First she has to pry the computer oout of Garth Pamela: s hot little fists rich: she was over visiting her parents today - saw Joseph pushing the pram Pamela: Her parents must be over the moon rich: Bronia's over the moon, but who can read Joseph? Pamela: I hope you got a picture of that, Dad - that would be one for the albums Pamela: Believe me, he's ecstatic too rich: sorry, he was gone before I could get the camera Pamela: shame on you - you should always have it handy Pamela: FYI to the others - Bronia and Joseph are Katherines parents and first time grandparents rich: maybe you should give me a video cam for my birthday Pamela: I'll try and talk Mom into it, okay? rich: sneaky Pamela: Hey, I;m your daughter, aren't I? Pamela: So where are Dale and James? james: here, just lurking :) Dale: We're here. rich: afraid you'd fallen asleep, Dale Pamela: Sorry about monopolizing the screen here - you'd think Dad and I never talk Dale: We don't know Allyson, Cynthia or Katherene rich: better build up the sleep now, Dale - it will be in short supply after Christmas Pamela: Katherine, Kimberly and Allyson are my three best friends - Cynthia is my mom's sister, my aunt Dale: Well, now we know. rich: speaking of which, how's Jill getting on? Pamela: James, are you more awake this morning? james: working on it :) Dale: She's doing pretty good. Pamela: good - need more coffee? rich: as I was saying earlier, he keeps geezer hours rich: the time he gets up in the morning depends on the time he goes to bed in the morning Dale: Her doctor gave her a special medicine that's supposed to be safe for pregnant women... Pamela: well when you're talking to people half way round the world, that makes sense Dale: that is really settling her somach. Pamela: what kind of meds, Dale? Pamela: Like Gravol? Dale: Except when she forgets to take it. Pamela: ; ) or is that ; (? Dale: Gravol isn't allowed, but the right idea. james: so what have you been up to pam? Dale: It is the only known anti-nausia drug that is okay. Dale: It is "Diclectin SR. Pamela: Well, we were in Stratford two weekends ago with my cousin, and I narrowly avoided getting the chicken pox from Kimberly's godchildren - we're going to Cleveland in July - imagine that rich: I gather teh problem goes away mostly in the second trimester anyway james: i'll be right back Pamela: Dale, I've heard that if one eats lots of small things so the stomach always has something in it, that helps Pamela: something to do with not letting the blood sugar level get too low rich: kinda hard to do that and have a night's sleep too, Pam
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changed username to Macfaker98 rich: hello Ron Guy B.: Hi Ron. Dale: Well, Pam that plus this drug makes the difference. Guy B.: On the Mac tonight? Pamela: well, morning sickness is something of a misnomer anyway - it's most frequent in the mornings when the blood sugar level is low, that's why they advise you to have crackers by the bed for first thing munching Pamela: Hi, Ron - we're talking about pregnancy Macfaker98: No? Macfaker98: Not yet? Macfaker98: aha! Pamela: Betcha never would have guessed that, huh? Dale: Jill has traditionally always been a one big meal a day, and one snack type person. Macfaker98: mac doing a Win98 emulation Dale: So switching to eating many times a day is difficult for her. Guy B.: Are you using that Virtual Windows I think they call it? Macfaker98: Virtual PC by Connectix Pamela: My problem is, I've always been a nibbler - I can't stand to be too hungry or I get nauseous too Guy B.: That's it. How is that? Pamela: Drove my mom nuts Dale: But even then she found that she'd throw up for about one day a week. Macfaker98: cool Guy Dale: It makes it particularly hard to be on the phones for a shift. Pamela: Most peoples reaction is to stop eating but often that makes it worse Dale: She is only on the drug for another week, until the second trimester, when most people have much less nausia. Guy B.: At least you can run Windows on your Mac and run my new Vbscript programs that I've uploaded to my website. Pamela: Of course, I've havent' got any practical experience - this is all hearsay and stuff I've read Macfaker98: Yes.... saw your message Guy. Haven't gone there yet Macfaker98: but they should work here Guy B.: Take a look when you get a chance. I will demostrate both of them and hopefully a third by the time the con starts. Macfaker98: good Pamela: In any case, Dale, she has my sympathies - being sick all the time is no fun rich: right now my computer activities are on semi-hold while I shop for a new one Guy B.: By the way, I did both scripts on the notebook at work during my breaktime. james: why would anyone want to run windows on an otherwise decent machine? Pamela: James returns with a vengeance Macfaker98: good question James.....but there is method Pamela: to your madness? james: to the madness? Pamela: Great minds, James Macfaker98: Can't print with Mac OS X. But I can run the emulator and access my net printer from there james: fools seldom differ ;) Pamela: exactly Dale: Ron does that mean you can use an Adam emulated in a PC emulated in a Mac? Guy B.: Is Apple aware of the problem? james: you can't *print*? that's a pretty basic function there.. Macfaker98: Mac only has facility for USB printer..... which means buying a new one..... which I ain't gonna do Pamela: so there, nah ,nah james: ugh. usb only. what crap. Macfaker98: yes Apple is aware, but I have a theory about that crew Guy B.: Get a USB to parellel cable. Macfaker98: they will never support legacy products Dale: Does that mean that you can network sahre your printer with the emulated PC as the print server? Macfaker98: you got that right James Guy B.: Just like Microsoft WinME won't support legacy hardware. Macfaker98: Guy.... I have one. It works under OS 9.04, but nothing later Pamela: back in a minute Guy B.: Unusual Ron. Macfaker98: It's a cruel and harsh plot to keep people like me angry rich: oh well, WQin95 won't support double density drives, either Macfaker98: oh well. Life goes on despite our best attempts to prevent it james: still, my next machine will probably be a mac. i'm getting more than a little sick of windows. Guy B.: That we knew, but DOS 6.22 does. rich: yes, but the DOS under 95 is 7.0, isn't it? Macfaker98: One hint James.... if you do go that route..... make sure everything you add to it was built by Apple Macfaker98: otherwise there's a chance there will be grief Guy B.: If you have Dos 6.22 and Win95 on the same computer. You can dualboot between the two OS's. rich: which as you know is what I do Pamela: and what we did with the old machine rich: it's also why I want a Win3.1 partition on the new computer I'm seeking Macfaker98: good question Pamela Guy B.: Do that on the P133. But, not on the Athlon. Macfaker98: Dale..... james: i'll keep that in mind
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changed username to WB rich: but none of them yet have a clue as to how to clone a hard disc WB: Hello All! Guy B.: Hi Willie. rich: hello Willie Pamela: Hi, Willie Macfaker98: Greetings Willie.... Macfaker98: (Greet different) Dale: USB printers are way better than parallel port printers. Dale: Hi WB.
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changed username to Jillian Pamela: Hi, Jillian!!! rich: sure, but if your printer is capable of both, which do you use on a dual-boot machine? Dale: Ron, you found one? Jillian: Hey all! Guy B.: Couldn't even get my inkjet to work with USB with Win95. Ended up using the parallel port. Macfaker98: Speak of the devil WB: Hello Jillian! rich: hello Jill Pamela: Congratulations, mama to be! Macfaker98: Hi Jillian Guy B.: Hi Jill. Jillian: I'm just avoiding work. Jillian: Thank you. Pamela: this is a good way to do it rich: right - Win95 basically won't support USB Guy B.: When are you due, Jill? Jillian: Dec 27, 2001 Macfaker98: yes Dale. Actually the local Mac store is going to fix the PB 180 I have Pamela: A Christmas baby - cool! Guy B.: Just a few days after my birthday. That's great. Dale: Excellent. A powerbook. Jillian: My doctor says less than 5% of babies come on the due date so it could be a Christmas or even a New Year's Baby. Dale: I look forward to seeing it (if it's back on time). Macfaker98: yep.... older one, but ok nonetheless Pamela: Babies always come at the most inconvenient time - so you will just be sitting down to Christmas dinner Dale: Something that you can carry and play with is good. Use on the plane is better. Guy B.: A New Year's baby would get you media attention. Macfaker98: Christmas chez Dale and Jillian........ gonna be cool Jillian: Probably. Macfaker98: exactly Dale Pamela: Actually, I guess I should say that labour always starts . . . rich: bite your tongue, daughte5r! Macfaker98: I'll load up my Hypercard and while away the hours WB: Pamela There is never an inconvenient time for a baby to come if it is on time Jillian: It sort of means that we'll have Christmas dinner at our place, but I don't know how fancy I'll feel like getting. Pamela: KFC, anyone? james: i'm sorry, i have to go for a bit. i'll be back soon. rich: order in pizza - with rad and gren peppers Pamela: James, don't be long Jillian: Swiss Chalet is more probable with the Wicks there. james: will try :) rich: red. green. Macfaker98: later James
james left chat session Jillian: I like the idea of pizza though. Pamela: I don't think i'd eat a pizza with that stuff on it Dad WB: I remember when my youngest was born on Dec 29. I did all the cooking for Christmas dinner! Guy B.: My sister in-law was due back in September of 1999, the baby was finally born on October 10th. But, she needed a little help. Pamela: Good for you Willie Macfaker98: It's been a very long time since I was involved in such an event Jillian: I'm sure I'll appreciate any help that comes. Pamela: How old is Jeff, Ron Macfaker98: he'll be 30 at the end of August Macfaker98: whining about it Macfaker98: is he Pamela: C'mon - 30 was one of my best years ever rich: tell him I lack sympathy Jillian: I'll hit the big 30 just after Cleveland. Macfaker98: already have conveyed that Pamela: I'll be 36 on Tuesday Jillian: Well, Early Happy Birthday! Macfaker98: He just started work with the City of Vancouver on a 1 year secondment from his firm WB: I was 43 on June 8 Pamela: Thanks! Pamela: Wow, lots of June and July people here Macfaker98: fire inspection officer Guy B.: I hit 43 back in December of last year. Macfaker98: I am Aries !!!! Pamela: And how did that make you feel, Guy? Pamela: Our sympathies, Ron Guy B.: Still want to be 30 again. Pamela: I didn't really feel like an adult until 30 Macfaker98: I was married to an Airies...... needless to say.......it didn't work out rich: I'd settle for 60 agagin WB: I going to be like Jack Benny Jillian: I think my favorite year thus far was 26. or maybe 27. Macfaker98: control thing Pamela: Yes, i can understand that Ron Pamela: I know some of those Macfaker98: ya win some, ya lose some Pamela: anybody have a cat muzzle handy? Pamela: somebody's whining rich: what's Willow up to now? Macfaker98: aww.... no Pamela: If he had a reason to whine, I could understand it but he does it just to annoy me I think WB: Has the cat been corrected Jillian: poor kitty. I bet you haven't paid any attention to him for hours and hours. rich: trust me, Jill, no one ignores Pamela's cats Jillian: and when was the last time you gave him oysters or shrimp? Macfaker98: Jeff is whining about pushing 30, I'm whining about pushing 60, and mother is telling us both to just shut up Pamela: Yes, the cat was fixed, and you're right Jillian, he never gets any attention at all poor thing WB: I have four cats all female rich: I'm with your mom, Ron Jillian: We only have one that whines and she only does it while we're in bed and she's walking on my hair. Macfaker98: :) Pamela: (sarcasm drips from the screen) Pamela: We have two and they're both male - littermates Macfaker98: I love cats Macfaker98: but don't have one just now Macfaker98: but they generally do not like me much Jillian: we have three. a pair of littermates and thier mother. Pamela: It's funny how you tend to acquire them in multiples Jillian: Somedays I wish we didn't have any but mostly I like them. Macfaker98: When I had one, it was made quite clear that I was there to provide food, pay the mortgage and make sure the doors were open WB: All the cats love my youngest daughter! She has been given the title beastmaster. Macfaker98: cute WB Jillian: That's neat, Willie. Does she get along with other animals as well? Pamela: Ron, that's everyones role in their cats life Pamela: that's what their humans are for. Macfaker98: exactly Pamela Jillian: A few years ago, there was a poster on the subway which was a letter from your cat. Macfaker98: Only trouble was....my ex wife took more or less the same attitude Jillian: Text: I hate you. Now feed me. Macfaker98: but then, that's only my perspective Pamela: I remember that - it was so appropriate WB: I took her to the zoo. She got along well with the elephants and the younger animals. Pamela: Your cat or yuor daughter? Jillian: Cats are generally less expensive than wives. I'll admit that. WB: My daughter Macfaker98: you got that right Jillian Jillian: I've always wanted to get next to an elephant, but never had the chance. WB: not when you have four
rich changed username to Frances Jillian: I'm planning to go to the Toronto Zoo at some point this summer. Pamela: Don't tell your wife that, Willie WB: that's cats not wives Macfaker98: however...I have to admit.... even in my current state.... married is probably better Frances: Husbands too, Jillian Guy B.: I'm still here. I'm running Oil Change to see if there are updates on my software. Quite a bunch especially for Internet Explorer 5. Pamela: Hi, Mom - where did y ou come from?> Guy B.: Hi Frances. Jillian: I'll admit that too, Frances! Macfaker98: Of course, husbands are so perfect Frances: The living room WB: Hi Frances Pamela: Very funny, Mom Frances: sewing machine,actually Macfaker98: Hi Frances (guess I have to watch my language) Pamela: Great - what to make me a kitty muzzle? (That's what started all this silliness) Frances: no you don't - I brought up a teenager Jillian: Well, she could have started a talk about pregnency and babies... but I think that's where we came in. Frances: what is a kitty muzzle? Jillian: I need to buy a sewing machine and soon. Pamela: something with which to muzzle my dear feline to stop him from whining Frances: Now you're in my department Macfaker98: Jillian.... it was pointed out to me on more than one occasion... if having babies was a male function....there would only be one per family...if that Pamela: Ask her anything Jillian, she Knows everything about sewing amchines Jillian: I recently learned an interesting fact about traditional Korean births that I'm thinking of using. Frances: no, I don't but I've had some experience Pamela: In this case, modesty doesn't become you Mom Frances: Ron, that's all you had, isn't it? and what about Korean births, Jillian? Jillian: I was actually thinking about inviting you shopping, Frances. There's a second hand shop at Centerpoint Mall which seems to have good prices. Macfaker98: just one.... yes Frances Pamela: FYI and completely off topic, Mom, I forgot to tell you last night that Garth passed his G2 drivers licence on Monday Frances: Jillian, if I can help I will but mechanics is not my strong point Jillian: During labour the wife grips her husband's ...... and pulls on it so he can experience the pain as well. Pamela: Go for it Jillian! Frances: A great idea!! Macfaker98: ha ha (rotfl) Jillian: Good for Garth. Someday, I'll go for my G2 as well. Macfaker98: What's a G2? WB: I came close to that experience. My wife was gripping my hand in the delivery room for our first. Nearly broke it in two. Dale: Should I feel threatened? Pamela: We've had this discussion Jillian - you know I'm an advocate of having a drivers licence Frances: I don't know about that G@ for Garth -ssems to me Cynthia has enough trouble as is Macfaker98: watch the jewellry Dale Jillian: A G2 is the second level of learner's liscense here in Ontario, Ron. Macfaker98: ya never know but some of it might go missing Frances: a G2 is a beginners licence in Ontario Pamela: Ron, a G2 is the second stage of the graduated drivers licencing system in ontario - it means he can now drive by himself but can't use the highways Macfaker98: ok....gotcha Macfaker98: what have we got here..... something like.... 'learner' and 'novice' Pamela: Actually, Garth is very responsible - it was Graeme who was the problem driver Frances: it is 2-level licence Macfaker98: yup Pamela: Actually, three - he now has to pass his "G" to become fully licensed Jillian: I think a G2 can use the highways if there is a fully liscened driver in the passengar seat. Frances: he's a teenager! Pamela: Yes, but not on their own Pamela: Have a little faith, Mom Frances: I try Pamela: Cynthia won't ride with Graeme but she will with Garth Jillian: My way of being a responsible teenager driver was not to get my liscense. WB: We have learner permits that allow thenovice to drive with an experienced driver of more than two years. After the novice passes the drivers testhe/she can get their license and drive anywhere Macfaker98: similar here.... restrictions of one type and another Frances: Jillian, not getting my driver's licence was my biggest mistake Macfaker98: Where are you WB? Pamela: When I went for my licence, you simply had to pass a written test to get your learners permit, and when you were ready, you went on a road test for a full license Frances: in this world - please go for it WB: The learners permit also allows you to drive anywhere but with an experenced driver Pamela: Of course elapsed time between writing my learners and taking the test was ten years, but who's counting? Jillian: I was the worst, most nervous, stressed out driver when I was a teen. I had no depth perception and little time sense. WB: I never got my license. I knew the world would be better off if I did not. Frances: of course, after beeing driven by Richard for 40 or so years, I now know all about it except how to actually turn the wheel Jillian: Made worse by the fact that my parents were pushing me to get my liscense. Frances: now that's a swetch! Pamela: Actually, Dad was a good teacher - surprising when you think that we clashed on almost everything else Macfaker98: the old father/daughter thing Frances: your father says, she's learning Pamela: Who, me or you? Jillian: They were sick of driving me around, and since my sister had just moved out of home, wanted someone else to be able to do errands again. Frances: well Ron, she is a good driver and even her father admits it Pamela: Quick, check and see if the heavens are falling Macfaker98: indeed! Jillian: Not here, Pam. Frances: klunk! Pamela: Now if I can just get him to admit it to my face Macfaker98: I never got that admission from either parent Frances: don't push your luck Frances: maybe you were'nt a good driver Jillian: To dream the impossible dream..... Macfaker98: that is entirely possible Frances: Jillian get your licence Jillian: I still don't like to drive with my younger sister. She scares me. Pamela: Jillian, get your licence!!! Macfaker98: But my sister was told she was a good driver Pamela: Why does she scare you? Frances: maybe she was Jillian: Yes, Ma'am. Yes Ma'am. I'm planning to go for my test again on Friday. Macfaker98: by my father..... who didn't think anyone was a good driver Pamela: You go, girl Frances: sorry, Ron, we are picking on you Macfaker98: one of these sibling issues Macfaker98: it's ok Jillian: She drives REALLY aggresively. Does dumb things like passes on the shoulder and waaay too fast on narrow, two lane country highways. Macfaker98: just as long as you save me some cheeze Thursday night the 12 of July Macfaker98: won't be in till late Pamela: we will save you dinner, Ron Frances: when I was younger, other drivers didn't scare me - now they do - maybe it's age Macfaker98: thank you Jillian: I just got comfirmation of my days off for Ohio. Pamela: No, I don't think so Mom - I think that drivers have gotten worse in the last ten years Macfaker98: super Jillian Frances: Jillian, she does drive too aggressively - don't drive with her Jillian: More people on the road driving faster too. Pamela: agreed - I wouldn't want to ride with her either Macfaker98: Ok. That's decided Jillian: My mother who used to be the most nervous passenger in the world doesn't see anything wrong with it. I think that Mom closes her eyes and hold the handle, and just beleives. Pamela: I had a boyfriend like that - he was very aggressive until he was in a fairly bad accident where someone else was driving - he has since chilled out a lot Frances: Jillian, think about what you want in a sewing machine and give me a call sometime to talk about it Jillian: I shall, Frances. Pamela: You going Mom? Macfaker98: sewing machines Jillian: Little sister will have been in Japan for two years this fall. (I think she's coming back.) But will be interesting to see if she Macfaker98: they have needles that must be threaded Frances: Yes, I still have things to do. By the way, did you hear the trhunder storm last nightt - your father slept right thru it Jillian: feels like she can drive right away. Macfaker98: and neither one of us can see the damn hole Pamela: I slept through it too - must be my fathers kid. Sleep tight, etc. Jillian: Storm? Did it happen at about 6:00am? WB: Good Nite, Good People! I have to take my wife to the doctor at 8 am in the morning. Bye Bye Frances: no, 2:45 Macfaker98: I'm learning about sewing machines.... like it or not
WB left chat session Pamela: Good nite willie - come back soon Jillian: I didn't hear it then, but Dale was up. Dale: Quite a dramatic storm, I thought. Jillian: Good nite, Wille. Macfaker98: nite Willie Macfaker98: go straight home now Dale: Some spectacular lightning. Pamela: Why are you learning about sewing machines, Ron? Dale: I watered the plants dring the storm, bacause there was very little rain, and it had been a hot day. Macfaker98: well.... ya see it's like this Frances: Ron, if you can do computers, you can do sewing machines - I can help if you need it but I'm a long way off - Night-all Frances: 1 Pamela: nite, Mom Macfaker98: Mother still likes to sew, but has trouble seeing certain things... like the needle and the bobbin threading etc Macfaker98: So I get called
Frances changed username to rich Macfaker98: Oh.... so far I've made out but it ain't easy Jillian: Good nite, Frances. Pamela: ah - necessity is the mother of invention again Macfaker98: yup Pamela: Ron, if you have trouble threading the machine because it's difficult to see, hold or mount a piece of white paper behind the eye Jillian: Mother creates the necessity for invention? Pamela: exactly rich: no - mother is teh necessity of invention - so he'll figure out a way to thread needles with holes he can't see Jillian: Good tip, Pamela. Macfaker98: and at this point it is just not politically correct to suggest that she let someone else do it Macfaker98: hey! That sounds like a neat idea Pamela: and lick the thread and pinch it so it's flat instead of round Guy B.: Well gang, I'm going to go. Won't be there this Saturday. Going to watch my nephew in his ballgame in the afternoon. See you all next week. Macfaker98: that's it Rich Pamela: Goodnite, Guy Jillian: Needle and bobbin threading are such a small part of sewing. rich: OK Guy, see you next time we're both around Macfaker98: yup. Know about that
Guy B. left chat session Jillian: Nite, Guy. rich: take it easy now - nite Macfaker98: niters Guy Pamela: but very necessary, Jillian Jillian: The part that I find most difficult is laying out the pattern properly. rich: by the way, I'll be in Cleveland on teh 30th so someone else will have to take on that chat Pamela: Thanks to Mom, I can lay out the pattern - but I have the devils own time cutting it out Jillian: My mother doesn't need a pattern for alot of things. Drives me crazy. rich: there are hints that Marcel might turn up Jillian: I just pin the sucker down about every two inches or so. Macfaker98: Alls I know is that anyone at the age of 85 who is still capable of making by hand a set of slip covers for a chair..... and do ing it well Jillian: Marcel might show up for the chat or the con? Macfaker98: deserves encouragement Pamela: Pins are good. rich: Marcel mentioned he would try for the chat Pamela: i agree, Ron Jillian: Definitly, Ron. I've always wanted to try slipcovers but was never brave enough. Macfaker98: was amazing to watch. I even learned some new swear words Pamela: Something to do with all those mitred corners always had me running scared
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changed username to james Pamela: Heeee's back! rich: welcome back james Macfaker98: re-hi James james: sorry to be gone so long. Jillian: We could use washable couch covers to help deal with cathair here. Jillian: Hi, James. james: hi jill :) Macfaker98: well hey! I guess so eh? Pamela: Oh, yeah - especially with a father who's allergic to the little beasties Jillian: or a husband. james: i'd just get rid of the cat. Macfaker98: rotfl rich: not only that, now I can';t use antihistamines Macfaker98: we'll know where to look if we lose Dale Pamela: And for some reason, they love him - go figure Jillian: Under the piles of cat hair? Macfaker98: ya rich: hiding the jewels Pamela: Hmm, I wonder if that's where we lost the loveseat to? Jillian: I was once told the best way to scare off a cat was to look directly at it. Macfaker98: and rightly so rich: I want to see anyone who can outstare a cat james: i find hissing works. that or pressing on the gas pedal.
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changed username to Dale james: can't stand cats. Pamela: well that's it - now you're in trouble Jillian: That's awful, James. Macfaker98: careful James, you're in the company of STRONG cat lovers james: i know, i know. i'd never hurt one but i'd never let one set foot near my house. Dale: Sorry, I'm running from Windows for a change today, and needed to restart my applet. Pamela: s'okay Dale Macfaker98: damned applets james: is that going to boot us all off? rich: what do you usually run from, Linux? Macfaker98: they get like that Pamela: Nice to know even you get turfed once in a while james: oh yeah, if anyone is interested, the web site for our trip to canada is basically complete. Dale: Yes, I usually run Netscape under Linux. rich: OK, we'll try to get on it Pamela: Cool - same address? Macfaker98: must go look james: yup, http://sceneon.tv/~yoshi Dale: With NS under Windows, the buffer fills up and stops updating after about 75 minutes. james: from the main index page, there's a link. Pamela: why yoshi, James? james: a nickname i picked up around the end of high school. Pamela: Ahh. Gotcha. rich: any NS after 3.04 under Windows is a pain Pamela: what about IE, Dale? Macfaker98: If it makes anyone feel any better, today I paid a dentist just over $1000. Macfaker98: hate that Pamela: Not really cos I know what that's like - the worst part is less than a year later I lost the tooth james: ouch. Macfaker98: gee Macfaker98: told him I was not out to buy his yacht but..... close Jillian: I've done that, but over the last two years put together. james: i'm lucky. i've never had any problems with my teef. Macfaker98: well.... necessary evil I suppose Pamela: first it was the root canal, then the crown, then teh abcess, then the extraction - kaCHING Macfaker98: keep up the good work James rich: everyone gone quiet, or was I booted? james: i brush 3 times a day for no less than 10 minutes. the dentists out here scare me. Pamela: You're very lucky James - I have my Dad's teeth Jillian: I have only one tooth that's bothersome, but two more that have been broken. james: nah, we're just ignoring you rich :D Macfaker98: no Rich we were not quiet Macfaker98: well give the back james: someone give rich a jab. Pamela: poke! Pamela: Daddy? rich: guess I was booted - will go and come back Dale: I don't usually use IE. But I have found that IE starts getting slow at updating after about 2 hours of chat on a Pentium 75.
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changed username to rich Jillian: Did you see the brick, Rich? Pamela: Hey Dad, you missed a lot of really good Stuff! Macfaker98: i'm running IE through a WIN98 emulator running on an iMac rich: sorry - got booted, missed teh last bit james: that must be fast ron :D Macfaker98: It's like trying to swim in a bowl of jelly Pamela: dunno Ron, it sounds kinky to me james: never tried. Jillian: (PRIVATE) Dale, I'm going to need help with my assignment even if it's only a brainstorming session james: what flavour? rich: what flavour jelly? Macfaker98: It is Pamela, it is Pamela: goose Jillian: Pamela Flavoured Jelly? Hmm... james: beat you to it this time, rich :D Pamela: berry jelly, that is Macfaker98: GRAPE....definately Pamela: all right - a man after my own heart james: so where's the american crowd today? Pamela: they all got tired and went home rich: oh, that's straight, then, not like it was grape JAM Macfaker98: mmmmm Pamela: I think I resemble that remark, Jillian rich: we haven't had any Slopsemas at all tonite Jillian: I may have to do that soon as well. I have a writting assignment due tomorrow. Macfaker98: This is not good Pamela: what isn't? Pamela: No slopsemas, or assignments? Macfaker98: better go writing Jillian Pamela: Hmm, must be 11:00 - Russell just flipped to the Simpsons Macfaker98: what is the writing assignment to be written about? rich: yes, writing takes so much more time than you think it will james: that's what cut and paste is for :D Jillian: I HATE writing. and all that I've gotten out of the course is never use a long word when six short ones will do. rich: which course is this, Jill? Pamela: baffle them with bullsh*t, J . . . Macfaker98: excercises the mind Jillian james: ;) why i'll always stick to science or engineering courses. Jillian: I'm supposed to rewrite a poorly written memo to make it readable for one excercise... Pamela: Oh goody, send it here - I'll do it! Macfaker98: I prefer taking computers apart in the basement....thrashing about rich: then none of teh management will understand it Pamela: I love editing! Jillian: and pretend I'm writing an invitation letter for a three day conference for my senior VP to send to the staff. Macfaker98: I can do that Rich...... it's a civil service thing rich: and so how are you at hidden threats? Jillian: Theme: Commitment: Take that Extra Step james: that's dumb. no one does that anymore. just fire off a two line e-mail, all in lowercase. rich: or, man the pumps, it's too thin to shovel Pamela: Hmm, maybe I should ask Russell to write that one ; ) Macfaker98: true James.... no fun....but true Jillian: The course is called "Powerful Business Writing." It's offered through work. james: fortunately, i'll *be* the prez so i won't have to do these things. i'll hire some poor sucker to do them for me ;) Macfaker98: I supress a grin rich: it's really about a skill to avoid work Macfaker98: had one of those.... several in fact Pamela: yes, by being too busy writing memos Macfaker98: however..... certainly worth while rich: master the writing of avoidances and you don't have to really DO anything Macfaker98: not sure what they did for me rich: then you never get blamed for any of the foulups Jillian: One of the examples the facilitator used was "Study, skim, peruse(sp?) and read all mean the same thing. So always use read. Pamela: you know, that never worked for me Macfaker98: We were talking at one point about avoiding the use of acronymns james: i disagree with your facilitator. Pamela: boy, they're not much on variety, are they? Macfaker98: and I'm going...(inside) c'mon.... in ghe government Jillian: No. I sat and bit my tongue for all of the first day. I expect to do the same tomorrow. james: languages evolve with several words of similar meaning for that very reason - they are similar and not exactly the same james: and thus convey a slightly different nuance. Jillian: and English is one of the most complex and rich languages there is. rich: but in business if your language is precise then people understand your ideas Macfaker98: when used in different contexts james: for me, "skim" does not mean the same as "read". Jillian: I despise having to dumb down my vocabulary. james: i have, for example, never drunk "read milk". james: :D Jillian: lol rich: consider who you're working with rich: sometimes you do have to be understood james: he heh. rich: otherwise it's better if you aren't james: by the lowest common denominator, no less. Macfaker98: Reference is made to your memorandum of the 12th dealing with the captionally annotated subject rich: too clear, Mitchell - rewite Pamela: Unfortunately, you have to be understood by the least educated person in the office james: ron, did you take a course in "writing for managers"? Macfaker98: oh james: which is typically your boss. Macfaker98: yah Pamela: oh yeah Jillian: He also says that if an employee gives you a letter which any words you have to look up in a dictionary, you should work to remove that employee. Pamela: although, i have to admit mine has a brain in her head Jillian: Like looking something up is a sin and something to be ashamed of. Jillian: A boss with a brain. Neat trick. Pamela: then he's talking at cross purposes Macfaker98: I had one of those once Macfaker98: he got transferred Pamela: Yeah, its' scary sometimes - she can actually spell too. However, half the time I can't tell because her handwriting is atrocious Jillian: I wish I did. Pamela: I will bring a sample with me in July - no one believes me until I do show and tell Jillian: That's how I hide my lack of spelling skill. Doesn't work so well in email though. Pamela: I am fortunate to be a good speller - must have rubbed off from my parents james: my favourite trick is to make "i" kind of loopy like an e and put a dot in the middle. works well for words like "receive" :D Pamela: All those books I've read might have something to do with it too Jillian: My mother always couldn't figure out why I can't spell, since I read so much. Pamela: i before e except after c or when used as a as in neighbour or weigh james: two different kinds of memory. reading is using passive memory, spelling is active. rich: were you taught reading by phonics or look-say? Pamela: who, me? james: who, me? Macfaker98: Sometimes I think I can spell rich: Jill Macfaker98: but it's not true Pamela: you certainly do alright here, Ron Pamela: or is that allright Jillian: Hmm. I don't know. I was reading before kindergarden and don't remember ever being taught. james: i think "okay" would solve your dilemma. rich: i before e - sounds weird Macfaker98: luck, blind-ass luck Pamela: but that's cheating, James rich: oh, another of us. can't explain the problem then, Jill james: i teach using a blend of phonics and whole-word reading. james: i've found that the kids i teach can actually sound out words they've come across, whereas most high school kids i've taught rich: well, you're working in a different culture, james james: can not read a word unless they've seen it before, and even then it's touch-and-go. Jillian: I've got to stop procrastinating. I have eight hours before I need to be on the subway. Printouts in hand. Pamela: I really don't remember how I learned to read - I don't know if there was a particular method Jillian: See you all later. Macfaker98: Ok now.... you educators and literary people....answer me this Pamela: good luck and good nite, Jill rich: goodnight Jill see you next time round james: i'm not sure if this is a cultural issue though. they've found the same with kids whose native language is english. Pamela: yes, Ron james: exposure to phonics improves overall reading ability. james: by jill. good luck with your memo. Pamela: Some people simply have a facility for languages James - you're one of them Jillian: poof
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Pamela: also the homonyms - two, too, to rich: and Frances says you can pronounce any German word from the spelling, it's that regular Dale: Well, I learned to read due to a need to read my own bed time stories. Pamela: I do find that slows you down, Ron Dale: Fast readers don't read every letter, but simply recognize the shape of the word in the sentence. Pamela: Most Spanish is the same way Macfaker98: find I'm looking at words rather than sentences or paragraphs james: i've got 21 phonics units i teach and a big unit of exceptions for the most commonly used words. james: dale's right. phonics is an important skill for acquiring reading ability, but studies show most fast readers see the word shape Pamela: Just from reading what's on the screen, I am finding that I too recognize the whole word, not the individual letters james: first. rich: yes, but Japanese treats syllables the way we treat letters in many ways, doesn't it? Macfaker98: what it means is that there will be one hell of a pile of unread computer books around here when I leave rich: I had some trouble with my eyes the other day - doc can't guess what it was james: japanese is almost completely non phonetic. a single kana character represents a unique sound, such as ka, ra, te. etc. rich: but essentially I suddenly realized I could read one line of type but not the one above or below james: reading kanji is purely a visual recognition task. Pamela: Ron, practice is a big part of reading - the more you do, the better you get at it. rich: the point is, I noticed this and was bothered - what does this say about how I read? james: kanji is difficult because characters are read differently than when used in combinations. Macfaker98: well then I should be good Pamela: do you mean Dad that you could only read one line at a time as opposed to two or three together? rich: that seems to be the case james: count me in on that. i only read one line at a time. Pamela: still or just that once? Macfaker98: hmm.... scary Rich rich: it's happened to me twice - about 10 - 15 minutes, then went away Pamela: interesting Dale: James, the manga I read have tiny hiragana above to teach me pronunciation. rich: I think some sort of visual fatigue may have been involved james: the problem with that is it's very easy to become reliant on them. kids who read manga don't learn to read the kanji. they Pamela: well considering how much you read, that wouldn't surprise me. You make me look like a piker james: learn to instinctively look for the kana. rich: but it's almost as if I unconsciously skim ahead, read in the middle, and review above Pamela: strange as it sounds, that makes sense james: kids who read novels are better at both reading and writing kanji. Pamela: that doesn't surprise me either James - pleasure is a great motivator james: wonder if my brother is going to bother getting up today. 12:30 and he's still asleep. Macfaker98: yes Dale: Well, if you read aloud you have to skim ahead and back scan. rich: and Ron, I'm usually a pretty slow reader too - but I'm far better than most at catching details and nuances Dale: You were into reading stories aloud weren't you? Dale: I have a freind who can't compoehend anything if he's reading it aloud. Macfaker98: Good point Rich. james: there's no choice in english but to scan ahead and back. Pamela: I find it much easier to comprehend something if I'm reading it to myself - I hear and understand what's being read aloud, but it doesn't stick in my memory rich: you may be right, james rich: i think we do it, but subconsciously james: words like tap, tape, etc. you have to reach the end of the word before you can pronounce the vowel. Pamela: good point Macfaker98: I've found that sometimes I'm reading things where the author is talking aboutsomething I already know....and If I catch myself doing that, then Macfaker98: I can move on to next para Pamela: I suppose as English speakers, it's something we don't consciously think about Dale: My fiend is an okay listener, but if HE is reading a loud, he misses all of the meaning. Pamela: since we know the vowel is a modifier, we look for it without realizing it rich: but it's not just reading ahead in the word, it's reading ahead in the sentence james: in russian, you generally don'T have to scan ahead. when i was doing russian, i found i could read it as fast as english james: despite the fact it's not my native language. rich: or aslphabet Dale: This new keyboard isn't sensitive enough. I keep dropping characters. (friend not fiend). Pamela: Okay, next challenge - is someone who is a better reader a faster typist? Dale: Rich, you need to read ahead to get the right cadence in the sentence. Macfaker98: you can have this Mac keyboard Dale...... cheap rich: faster, maybe. more accurate? that's another question james: hmm.. good question. james: you get into things like kinetic memory there too. rich: right, Dale, hadn't thought of that Macfaker98: good question........ I wouldn't know about speed in either one Pamela: Ron, you're very quick on the keyboard Macfaker98: 48 wpm Macfaker98: flat out james: i hate the standard keyboard layout. Pamela: maybe years ago, but not now - I think your speed has come up Macfaker98: Japanese keyboards must be different eh James? Pamela: the only reason the keyboard is layed out the way it is was to keep the keys from jamming up on typewriters Pamela: originally keyboards were in alphabetical order rich: you can always move to the Dvorak keyboard, james - it's an option in Windows Macfaker98: several years of typing Radio communications verbatim in a log probably had positive effect james: there are a few extra keys and there are japanese kana characters on them but no one uses kana typing anymore. Pamela: yes - I would say so - and I get the same sort of practice at work when diarizing claim incidents james: everyone uses roman letters and then converts the romanized input into real japanese. Pamela: as opposed to fake Japanese, James? Pamela: : ) james: there are several proposed keyboard layouts and i just may decide to switch. rich: do you think Japan will eventually formally adopt the Roman alphbet, james? Macfaker98: interesting James. I would have thought there would have been a specialized keyboard james: i hope not. james: romanized japanese is rather difficult to read. Pamela: Is that because it's too formal or just worded strangely? Dale: Speed readers are I really doubt it Rich. Dale: Kanji are more elegant. james: japanese is very hononymic so you need the kanji for the meaning. rich: homonymic in spelling or pronunciation too, james? james: even in the case when it's kana being replaced, it just takes longer to read. you have two characters or more for one sound instead of one. Macfaker98: James you'll have me diving for my encyclopaedia any time now.....kanji?? james: only in pronunciation. the kanji characters aret totally different. Dale: Chinese characters of which Japan has adopted about 1600 that are somewhat stylized. james: kanji - characters borrowed from chinese. Macfaker98: I'm educated Pamela: ditto james: the japanese borrowed extensively, and for awhile, almost exclusively from chinese. chinese is a tonal language and japanese is not james: they dropped all of the tones. thus creating a plethora of hononyms. Pamela: well folks, I think it's bedtime - the room is starting to revolve when I close my eyes Macfaker98: The Japanese and Chinese have been at this a lot longer than we have rich: know that symptom, daughter Macfaker98: lie down Pamela, quickly Pamela: I'm going to. See you next week? Dale: Well, China and Japan at various time have taken over each other. james: the japanse and chinese systems are nice to look at but far from efficient or memorable. a considerable amount of time in lower grades rich: better get some shuteye - morning comes early james: is spent just learning the characters. Macfaker98: I must go and sort out the principles of networking on a DOS computer rich: nite Pam Dale: Chinese is written purely with Kanji (or whatever they're called in China)... james: hanzhu. Pamela: way too early - 6:00 am in fact. james: good night pam! Pamela: Okay, I'm gone. Good nite, all Pamela: poof! Dale: but Japanese adds hiragana for congugation (word endings).
Pamela left chat session Macfaker98: it's been interesting people Macfaker98: nite Pamela rich: very interesting - see you next week, Ron james: there are also native japanese readings for each character. most characters have typically two or three readings. james: chinese is far simpler. most characters have one reading that doesn't change. Macfaker98: I learn all sorts of things here james: whether used alone, or in combination with other characters. Macfaker98: later all! rich: we should have started this discussion earlier - it's going to take more time than we have james: night ron! Dale: By Ron. rich: nite ron Macfaker98: (disappears in western sunset)
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