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changed username to Rich Drushel Rich Drushel: Q'plah! KrazyKlingon: hello KrazyKlingon: I take it you are a trekkie too Rich Drushel: :-) I read enough of Marc Okrand's book to pick up a few phrases in Klingon. Rich Drushel: I think I misspelled it, though. Rich Drushel: Q'plaH, maybe. KrazyKlingon: yea, it's Q'apla, I think Rich Drushel: At any rate, you know what I meant :-) KrazyKlingon: anyway, I'm new here. how many people normally show up? Rich Drushel: Well, could be 5-6 regulars. Rich Drushel: Plus some irregulars. KrazyKlingon: cool. I just got an Adam, and I really don't know how to use it Rich Drushel: Most of us are the die-hards who have attended most of the last few ADAMcons. Rich Drushel: Well, newbies are quite welcom; ask away, we can advise in lots of areas. KrazyKlingon: well, one question I have is, what's the deal with the tape drives? I heard that they take special tapes, and that you can't have a tape in when you turn it on or it will be erased Rich Drushel: Tape drive basics: Rich Drushel: (1) specially-formatted tapes are indeed needed. Rich Drushel: (2) There isn't any software capability to format new tapes, so you need a pre-existing Coleco tape to start from. Rich Drushel: (3) But, you can use a dual tape deck to duplicate existing ADAM tapes onto standard cassette tape. Rich Drushel: (4) You have to drill some holes in the cassette case to make ADAM tapes fit into a tape deck, and Rich Drushel: (5) you have to drill some other holes in an audio cassette shell to make them fit in an ADAM tape drive. Rich Drushel: (6) There are lots of existing blank original tapes around for very cheap; I can point you to vendors if interested. Rich Drushel: (7) It is true that power surge can damage a tape if it's in the drive when you power off/on. Rich Drushel: That's pretty much the intro to tape drives. KrazyKlingon: I have an old high-end dual tape deck I can use, as well as some fairly decent blank tapes, all I need is one blank coleco tape (i'm on a really tight budget) Rich Drushel: Did your ADAM system come with any tapes? Originally they shipped with a SmartBASIC tape and a Buck Rogers Super-Game tape. KrazyKlingon: speaking of tapes, how do I get into basic/save stuff to them KrazyKlingon: no, I have no tapes whatsoever KrazyKlingon: I have the printer, system unit, two joysticks and a keyboard Rich Drushel: Okay, to get SmartBASIC, you need a tape which will boot the system into SmartBASIC. Rich Drushel: Otherwise, all you get is the ROM word processor, SmartWriter. Rich Drushel: Or else ColecoVision games, if you have any game cartridges. KrazyKlingon: is there a way to download tapes from the 'net in audio format, then record them to cassettes? KrazyKlingon: I have about 200 Atari carts, but I never was able to find a ColecoVision, until now KrazyKlingon: so not colecovision carts Rich Drushel: Hmm...I've never seen audio images of Coleco tapes, only binaries that presuppose you have a formatted tape to copy them onto. KrazyKlingon: theoretically, it would work Rich Drushel: You're right, it ought to be possible...I've just never seen it tried. KrazyKlingon: how long are coleco tapes? 60 minutes? Rich Drushel: The person to talk to about getting a SmartBASIC tape to start from would be Rich Clee, who's usually on the chat by now. Rich Drushel: Yes, the tapes are 60-minute. You have to dupe both sides, but the ADAM only reads the tracks in one direction. Rich Drushel: Each track is 128K in 1-K blocks. Total capacity 256K. Rich Drushel: Where do you live, KrazyKlingon? I could probably just mail you a SmartBASIC tape; I have extras. KrazyKlingon: so, would the tracks have to be perfectly aligned?
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changed username to Pamela KrazyKlingon: Columbus, Indiana Pamela: Hi, Rich Rich Drushel: Nope :-) The tape drive firmware can sort it out. Rich Drushel: Hi Pamela. Pamela: Hi, Klingon KrazyKlingon: hello Pamela: Do you have another identity? Rich Drushel: I'm in Cleveland, Ohio...I headed up the last ADAMcon, which we had here in Cleveland about 3 weeks ago. Pamela: And it was fun! KrazyKlingon: /nick Ian Primus
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changed username to Ian Primus rich c: no problem with that Pamela: Let's hear it for A/C and pina coladas Rich Drushel: KK has renamed himself to Ian :-) rich c: well, who's our new and very welcome visitor? Pamela: both of which I am currently enjoying Ian Primus: I guess I just go used to making up names for chat rooms :) Pamela: That's okay Ian, Krazy Klingon is a perfectly acceptable moniker for this group rich c: Ian, if you have any Adam needs, I'm a dealer - just drop me a line and tell me what I can do to help Rich Drushel: Us regulars all use our real names, except when last week I tried to be tricky :-) Pamela: We are (most of us) Star Trek fans Ian Primus: then I'm among friends :) Rich Drushel: Pam, I greeted KK with Q'aplaH! :-) rich c: Ron Mitchell usually has some pseudonym Pamela: At least you know how to spell it, Rich Rich Drushel: No, he corrected me, I got it wrong. Rich Drushel: I originally wrote Q'plah. Pamela: I don't speak Klingon well enough to spell it Rich Drushel: Which probably means something completely different :-) Pamela: too true - don't you have a Klingon dictionary you could use? Rich Drushel: I do have the 1st edition of the KD. Rich Drushel: But I hear tell it's been greatly revised since then. rich c: that's Klingon-Terran, I assume Pamela: A true Trekker Ian Primus: I have mine somewhere, I think it's on the shelf with the rest of my Star Trek books Pamela: That's Klingon - Standard, Dad rich c: sorry 'bout that Pamela: Ian, did I see that you're in Indiana? Rich Drushel: So has the Code Red Worm hit any of you? Pamela: Not me, not here or at work rich c: no, I'm still on Win95 and 3.1 Rich Drushel: All my machines are Macs or *nix boxen, so they're immune...but our CWRUnet was crawling today with all the worm traffic. Rich Drushel: Very slow response time to the outside world; too many port scans going on. rich c: oh dear - which sysadmin is going to get hanged for that?
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changed username to BobSlopsema Rich Drushel: Re: Herman, all I've had from him was the E-mail sent to the list today. Rich Drushel: And before that, only George's announcement. Ian Primus: it's a small town, we don't even have anyplace that sells Macintosh equipment Rich Drushel: I never did see anything about his son in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Pamela: Ian, I work for Car-X - so if you ever need to get anything up here to Toronto let me know - we can work it out Pamela: Hi, Bob! rich c: migod! lacking the basic trappings of civilization! Rich Drushel: Ian, Rich's E-mail address is cleechez@tamcotec.com. Ian Primus: I know, we don't even have an arcade. it's pathetic BobSlopsema: HI KIDS !!!!!!! Pamela: Poor you! rich c: greetings Bob Rich Drushel: Hello Herr Bob! Pamela: Guess you'll have to use your ADAM to play games instead Rich Drushel: Ian, Bob is going to run the *next* ADAMcon (#14) next summer. Ian Primus: cool - where is it? Rich Drushel: Bob...? Pamela: Kentwood, MI rich c: handy for you BobSlopsema: Grand Rapids MI BobSlopsema: or REAL close! BobSlopsema: you are only a stone's throw away rich c: just a couple of hours drive Ian Primus: actually Pamela, I went to the extent to actually build my own arcade machine... Pamela: A video junkie? Rich Drushel: If you want to see what we do at ADAMcons, take a look at http://drushel.cwru.edu/adamcon13/ Rich Drushel: Your own arcade machine? Neat! Ian Primus: I went into Galaga withdrawl when the arcade closed :) Pamela: Just ignore the pictures where everyone has food in their mouths Pamela: That's pretty serious! BobSlopsema: richD, an interesting idea you put forth.............as long as aDAM can read the cart in chunks Rich Drushel: Hey, the food was good! rich c: what sort of machine did you build, Ian? Pamela: Not complaining about the food, just the pictures of chewing Ian Primus: yeah - it's a rebuild Donkey Kong, it now has a Pentium II 266 running MAME rich c: you prefer MAME to teh straight Colecovision or Adam emulators? Rich Drushel: Complain to Meeka, she had the camera :-) Ian Primus: so, I can choose from 2,500 games Pamela: Oh no, if I complain, she'll have a field day next year Rich Drushel: Woo-hoo, 2500 games, that's neat. rich c: that should keep you out of mischief Ian Primus: I had never seen a colecovision anything in real life 'till I got my Adam a few days ago rich c: we can deal with that Rich Drushel: I just posted a link to a possible multi-game cartridge design for the ADAM/ColecoVision which could hold 120+ games. Ian Primus: I am really into Atari 2600 though Rich Drushel: There's a 2600 adapter for the ColecoVision :-) Pamela: Hey Dad, FYI we finally got the A/C in yesterday Rich Drushel: Plug it in, you can then put in 2600 carts. Ian Primus: cool rich c: the original Colecovision (and Adam) have an adapter that plays Atari 2600 games Pamela: tres cool BobSlopsema: DATRN lucky Pam, because I am personally sending you a LOT OF HOT !!!!!! Rich Drushel: Atari sued 'em to take it off the market...and lost :-) Pamela: Thanks Bob - I'll remember that when it counts Ian Primus: yeah, the Atari was all off-the-shelf parts rich c: so you're a hard-case eight-bitter, are you, Ian? Pamela: You'll fit right in Ian Primus: yeah
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changed username to Meeka Pamela: Bets, anyone? rich c: hello Meeka Meeka: hello everyone Pamela: Meeka! Hi! BobSlopsema: HI DER!!! Meeka: what are we betting on? Rich Drushel: Bob, as for the multi-cart, it's designed to use the 3-digit switch to pick a game...so it can play them all. Pamela: Who will pop up Ian Primus: I am definitely among friends - 8-bitters and trekkies :) Rich Drushel: Hello Meeka :-) Pamela: absolutely rich c: oh, we have lots of other eccentricities, too! Rich Drushel: Ian, see me and my wife in Trek costumes at http://junior.apk.net/~drushel/ BobSlopsema: would be a REAL winner, 'cept for the issue of cpyrights......IF they are actually in effect anymore BobSlopsema: Iknow Telegames has ideas......... BobSlopsema: but when do they run out and did they renew rich c: who else would have the oldest annual computer convention (single make) by the users, for the users? Rich Drushel: Of course they're in effect if you ever sold it to anybody other than our little "family". Pamela: Hey Meeka, we were just talking about your award-winning mouthful photos Ian Primus: Rich - I have been working on an Atari 2600 cart that can hold 8 games and uses SRAM chips to store data. - with a writer that hooks up to the computer. I came so close to getting it working, then ran into problems Meeka: yes ..... Rich Drushel: My design has 3 MB of EPROM :-) Pamela: I was told to complain to the photoarchivist but don't have any complaints Pamela: We were telling Ian, our newbie, of the hundreds of photos available on your website Meeka: good. the compaints dept wass shut down Pamela: I know when to keep my mouth shut Meeka: ;-) Rich Drushel: All totally free! No passwords! No credit cards! rich c: what I don't understand, Rich, is when you can archive dozens of games on a disc, why bother with an EPROM? BobSlopsema: OR you TOO will be VOLUNTEERED!!!! Pamela: I probably will be anyway, Bob Rich Drushel: Rich, to get them *all* without needing a HD system to store the images. rich c: I just have them on a bunch of 320s or 720s Ian Primus: what about tape drives? is it possible to put a colecovision cart onto a tape and play it? Rich Drushel: Herman and George already had ADAM HD systems with all the game images; all you need is a 64K expander to load them to and run them. rich c: even with 32K games, that's 10 to a disc, 20 to a 720 Pamela: Has anyone talked to Dale this week? Cos I think he sent me his cold with the milkshake Rich Drushel: Ian, the answer is yes: you can save game images to tape or disk, load them in, and run them. rich c: disc, tape, same thing. Tehre are programs, some commercial, some PD Rich Drushel: 32K games collide with the operating system in the high 8K of the 64K address space, though. So you need a 64K RAM expander to run those. Ian Primus: cool. is there a way to write ADAM tapes with a PC and a tape deck connected to the sound card? Rich Drushel: But 8K, 16K, and 24K games can be run without needing expansion memory.
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changed username to Guy B. Pamela: Hi, Guy rich c: hello Guy - melted yet? Ian Primus: hello Guy Pamela: Hot enough for ya? Guy B.: Greetings!!! Finally here after getting home way later than usual. Pamela: Oh yeah, OT again tonite, right? Rich Drushel: Ian, I'm sure that with an ADAM tape in an audio tape deck, run into your sound card's input, you could make a .WAV file of the tape. rich c: all the overheating cars on the freeway? Rich Drushel: Hello Guy. Guy B.: Not only that. Train trouble on the purple line. rich c: just the day when you need that, Guy Pamela: That sounds so funny - like it's not real Rich Drushel: And once you had a .WAV file, spit it back out to the tape deck to record another tape. Rich Drushel: Or CD. Rich Drushel: Or whatever. Ian Primus: I wonder if it would be possible to convert it to MP3 for internet transfer. - or would that trash the data? Rich Drushel: MP3 would trash it, it's lossy compression. Pamela: Guy, are you on twice? rich c: maybe we have someone hasn't decided on his name yet BobSlopsema: NO, his alterego "undefined" is on Guy B.: No, I don't who is the other undefined. Let's banish him. Pamela: "who shall remain nameless" Rich Drushel: Folks, an emergency here, gotta run, will be back if possible. BobSlopsema: AHA, a stealth mode due.............
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changed username to Rich Drushel Pamela: Rich, everything okay? Meeka: so what was the big emergency Rich Rich Drushel: Okay... Pamela: what happened? rich c: not another computer fire, I hope... Rich Drushel: Christina and a friend had ridden their bikes to a nearby park to play baseball. Guy B.: I did get a replacement and it will be a DOS machine. A Compac P120 Prolinea 575. In fact, the very first PC's where I work. And it has two 5 1/4 drive bays, 8 meg ram. No HD, but for $30, it will do. Rich Drushel: They were told to be home before dark. Pamela: Ah, and now it's dark Rich Drushel: They waited too long...and riding home, the friend hit a curb with her bike and flopped over the handlebars. Ian Primus: I had been hunting high and low for an ADAM or Colecovision game system for about two years. Just when I thought it was hopeless, one dropped into my lap - literally. "Hey Ian - do you know what this thing is?" *plunk* Pamela: Ouch! Rich Drushel: She landed on the pavement on her chest. Pamela: Major ouch rich c: last time I did that, I broke my wrist Guy B.: I sense a little lecture coming from you to her Rich. Pamela: she okay? Rich Drushel: She may have a broken rib; her mom is coming to take her to the hospital. rich c: mind you, that was some few years ago Rich Drushel: Neither one was wearing their helmets, either. Guy B.: Hope they are Ok. Pamela: I must admit, I broke mine in a unique way Rich Drushel: Me too, Guy! Rich Drushel: Lecture will wait... Pamela: Poor girl - I hope it's just a bruise
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changed username to Ron Meeka: i've never broken a bone, I not quite sure how I managed that being a tom-boy and all, but I did Guy B.: Let's be thankful they didn't land on their heads. Rich Drushel: They have been told about riding after dark around here... Ron: see you made it in Rich Guy B.: Hi Ron Ron: C that is Pamela: Hi, Ron Ron: Evening all rich c: Ian, you should search the net with "Coleco Adam" as your search term - you won't believe how much turns up Meeka: hiRon Pamela: I managed to break mine falling off a bridge Rich Drushel: Olla, Senor Ron. rich c: hello Ron Ron: aye BobSlopsema: MIGHTY MITCHELL !!!!!!! Ron: bigger than life Rich Drushel: No, not that! rich c: Ian, Ron is on an island in teh Pacific Ocean BobSlopsema: how's "my" weather going to be around Mon-Wed?????? Rich Drushel: Bikini Atoll? Ron: where the wind is blowing,and it's like November BobSlopsema: this was for Ron Pamela: Which sounds worse than it actually is Pamela: Ron, right now some of us could use a little November weather rich c: yeah, out tehre in Lotus Land they have daffodils in February Guy B.: Yep, it's been too hot here. Ron: Hello Ian Ian Primus: hello Ron Pamela: Ron, play nice with Ian - he just rescued an Adam Ron: an ADAMite long lost, I presume rich c: more new-found Ron: then he is an ADAMite in GOOD standing Rich Drushel: No, a guy with a home-built 2500-game arcade machine! Guy B.: I second that. Ian Primus: actually, I had never seen one in person until the other day Pamela: not even a passing acquaintance? Ian Primus: nope, I wasn't even born when they first came out - I'm 16 Ron: something new every day rich c: how many dozen more do you need? I have this basement.... Pamela: which reminds me, I need to have a chat with Dale about the spelling of discretion Ron: I was 16 once Pamela: do you remember that far back, Ron? BobSlopsema: yea right, a while back, I think it was.......... Ron: when the earth was flat and there were dragons at either end rich c: when dinosaurs roamed teh earth Ron: :) Guy B.: Speaking of Dale. I wonder how are those hard drive interface cards are coming? BobSlopsema: DRAGON'S LAIR !!!!!!! Pamela: Dad would rather not remember when I was sixteen Pamela: Here be dragons Ron: were you a difficult 16 year old Pamela? BobSlopsema: first Dale had to make the burner for the GAL chip Guy Pamela: and fifteen, and seventeen rich c: oh, I don't know - back then I was only 52 Pamela: things improved around eighteen Guy B.: That will take some time I guess, right? BobSlopsema: heck she is STILL difficult!!!!! Meeka: 16 wasn't that long ago BobSlopsema: ask Russell Pamela: its amazing how much smarter my parents got in that time Ron: happens eh? Rich Drushel: Haha, please tell Christina of this amazing transformation! rich c: we studied BobSlopsema: Pam, that is only becasue you brought them up right! :-) Pamela: No, she has to figure it out on her own Pamela: That was sneaky dad - you didn't tell me that! Rich Drushel: Alas, experience can' Ron: each of your 4 will discover it Dr. D. Rich Drushel: oops can't be taught. Meeka: pam, some of us are still working on that pam ;-) BobSlopsema: ALL young people have tha stage to go thru sooner or later Rich Drushel: "When you can snatch this pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave." Pamela: See what happens when you mention age, Ian? Rich Drushel: We have plenty of it...though I'm a young whippersnapper here at 38. BobSlopsema: gets everybody all hyped up ! ;-) Ron: but a child Meeka: that's old Rich, I am only 25 Rich Drushel: Daisy...Daisy... Pamela: Listen oldtimer, those of us who just turned 36 resemble that remark BobSlopsema: BUT Rich, to Christina you might as well be 100 yrs old rich c: that's OK, how old was the youngest presenter at the latest Adamcon? Pamela: give me your answer, do Meeka: 11 Rich Drushel: My mind is going, Pam...I can feel it. BobSlopsema: 11 Guy B.: And here I'm trying to keep up with an energetic dog at 43. BobSlopsema: trick question, eh???? Pamela: Left hand on left side of head, right hadn on right side, now squeeze BobSlopsema: HEY, Guy is aomost retired! Ian Primus: I worked at this computer recycling place as a volunteer - I came home with the back end of my '90 Toyota Camry sagging and the trunk so full that a single floppy wouldn't fit inside, and the back seat piled up so far I had to roll down the window to see behind me. I managed to rescue a dozen b&w macs, some Apple IIgs's, an ADAM, a really huge old webserver with a SCSI RAID in it, and a lot of assorted stuff. Ron: I spend lots of time thinking about the hereafter. Go into a room and wonder now....what am I here after Rich Drushel: So Ian, you have lots to teach us old dogs, so you too are eminently qualified to give a session at the next ADAMcon. Guy B.: Long way from that Bob. BobSlopsema: and you wil lHAVE a BALL monkeying with it Ian Ron: Don't get lost Ian, keep your elbows up rich c: Ian, you are almost as bad as Ron Mitchell BobSlopsema: that's the fun of older stuff Pamela: but first . . . Ian Primus: considering all I know about the ADAM is how to hook it up... rich c: he's been seen with 26 computers - all different, up and running simultaneously Pamela: that's better than some of us were doing at first Ron: now down to 10 rich c: you name it, he's owned it BobSlopsema: yes, but Ron threw OUT all those computer Ian rescued! Meeka: that sounds just like something Doug would do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guy B.: Wait till the fun part comes. Getting more software to run it. BobSlopsema: heck Doug DID it! with my help Ron: and the way some are performing, it might soon be 3 Rich Drushel: We gotta get Ian a SmartBASIC tape, though, 'cause his rescued system didn't have one. rich c: no problem to get Adam software. Lot cheaper than DOS or Mac stuff, tyoo BobSlopsema: oh, oh.....trouble brewing on the island Ron: absolutely Pamela: Dad, Kimberly is here and says hi Ian Primus: yes, software... I have a word processing program for my ADAM - something called SmartWriter :) Rich Drushel: Hello Kimberly...she was in England last time, right? Guy B.: Plus none of the royalties go to Billy Boy. Ron: actually got a virus on the LC475 if you can believe that BobSlopsema: give me your address Ian, I will send ya one tomorrow Pamela: Tell the world traveller welcome back Ron: and my ancient SAM anti virus actually picked it up rich c: tell Kimberley welcome back - hope she enjoyed Europe BobSlopsema: tha part is BUILT INTO the rom in ther ADAM Pamela: she did, very much Rich Drushel: Virus on an LC475? What was it, nVIR A? Ian Primus: yeah, isn't it convenient :) Pamela: Next stop, Mongolia with Lindsay Rich Drushel: Keep away from Afghanistan... Pamela: I'll tell her, Rich Ian Primus: my address is : 3305 Grove Parkway, Columbus, Indiana 47203 Pamela: Party at Ian's this weekend Ron: no.....it was something like MDB --- ??something or other Ian Primus: email : ian_primus@yahoo.com Ian Primus: bring lots of quarters :) Rich Drushel: MDEF, probably. Ron: ended in A/B Ron: yeah that was it rich c: make sure you subscribe soonest to the Adam mailing list, Ian rich c: that way you can see what's going on and talk to everyone Ian Primus: how do I subscribe? Ron: now the venerable beast is on the net and I was using it last night...thru my router Rich Drushel: Yep...a famous Mac virus...written by someone about Ian's age, IIRC. BobSlopsema: ok, will mail it tomorrow rich c: send an email with "subscribe" as the subject line Ron: infected Microsoft Word 6 rich c: to coladam-admin@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca Rich Drushel: Send E-mail to Dale Wick (the list admin), I think it's dalew@opengraphics.com, right? Rich Drushel: Wait, listen to Rich Clee, his method is better. rich c: se abnove is teh way he prefers it, Rich' Pamela: He keeps telling me that Daddies know everything rich c: thop" if he were on no doubt he'd be doing it already Rich Drushel: That's why I retracted my suggestion. Ian Primus: ok, i'm subscribed Rich Drushel: Excellent! rich c: actually, Dale's non-business address is@home.com Ron: you will fit right in Ian from the sounds of it rich c: to post to the list, the address is coladam-list@ (etc.) Rich Drushel: I am going to retire for the evening...but Elanor wants to take my place. So, I will do an ID change and say good-night. Ian Primus: I take it that 8-bit game freaks that watch Star Trek religeously and collect old computers are well accepted
Rich Drushel changed username to Elanor Drushel Pamela: Good nite, Rich - Hi Elanor! Meeka: night Rich and Hello Elanor rich c: so if you have any questions, just post 'em up and await the deluge Ron: retirement is dangerous Dr.D. Elanor Drushel: Here I am! Ron: but Elanor is more than welcome Pamela: She's back! Guy B.: Hi Elanor. How are you treating the mascot? BobSlopsema: nite Rich Ron: Hi Elanor rich c: night Rich hello Elanor - how's Adam? Ian Primus: brb - I'm going to get a soda BobSlopsema: how is Elanor???? Ron: good idea Ian. e-mail me one Pamela: learning to type faster, I think Pamela: andme Ian Primus: pepsi or coke? Pamela: Coke! Ron: Diet Coke Ron: no ice Ron: heavy on the no ice Pamela: Kimberly wants a pepsie Guy B.: Cheeseborger, Chesseborger, Cheeseborger. Elanor Drushel: He hasen't had anay more rips or tares Pamela: and Pamela can't spell Ron: glad to hear that Elanor Meeka: that's good Elanor Pamela: That's good, I'm not sure your mom has time to patch him rich c: anybody got a Guiness on ice? Guy B.: Very good. Pamela: Any new badges, Elanor? Meeka: he needs to keep coming to con's with you Pamela: Got one here Dad, you want it? I can ask Russell rich c: only if it's cold - I have a warm one downstairs Ron: and overhead the city of Toronto the Good Elanor Drushel: Before the chat I was playing Pokemon games. Ron: there was seen a strange flying object Pamela: (You see this is why my dad and my husband get along) Pamela: Yes, it's cold Dad Ian Primus: hmm, it doesn't fit too well in the disk drive... Ron: resembled the shape of a bottle of beer Guy B.: By chance Ekanor, do you have the newest Pokemon game? Ron: you tried Ian rich c: OK, just pour it in the modem and address it to me Pamela: time to reformat the can Meeka: btw, Doug says to tell everyone hi. He is playing AC tonight, so he is to busy to chat with us ;-) Guy B.: Guess my typing is not good, that's Elanor. Ian Primus: is sparking good? Ron: Ian, despite what you're now reading, we're all quite sane Ron: some of the time Pamela: no, neither is blue smoke Pamela: Of course, if we weren't we wouldn't admit it anyway Ron: true Pamela: Dad, Guiness coming your way Ron: Sir Alec Guiness (using the Force) rich c: depends on what you mean by sparking - back in my days, it was real neat... Elanor Drushel: I'm still here Pamela: Do you remember that far back, Dad? Ron: I'm here too Elanor Ron: I'm here because I'm not all there Guy B.: Elanor, do you have Pokemon stadium? Pamela: do you expect us to argue, Ron? rich c: remind me to tell you about my buddy Julius Caesar some day... Ron: naw Elanor Drushel: ha ha vary funny Pamela: back in the olden days, before the wheel . . . Guy B.: Julius Caesar? Where did you come from? Athens! BobSlopsema: and if you are not all there.....you can't be all here........hmmmmm Pamela: sorry, that came before Rome, right? rich c: right Ron: very logical Bob Meeka: we had to walk barefoot tweny miles in the snow......... i think you all know the rest ;-) Pamela: History was never my strong suit, despite parental personal experience Pamela: uphill - in our pajamas Ron: Which side of the Rocky Mountains is Ian on? rich c: actually, Big Julie (as we called him) had a bad attitude Meeka: he is in Columbus Ron Ian Primus: everything I needed to know about history I learned from watching The Honeymooners... rich c: that's why he got done in by the Brutus mob Pamela: I heard that once, Dad BobSlopsema: other side Ron Ron: aha Ron: ok Pamela: something about Cleopatra? Elanor Drushel: bye everyone, i'm going to go and play my Pokemon Trading Card Game
Elanor Drushel left chat session Meeka: ok Elanor. see you later Pamela: That was quick Ron: play to win Elanor rich c: bye Ekanor, see you next chat maybe Ron: see ya later Ian Primus: bye Meeka: ok everyone take a deep breath BobSlopsema: Columbus INDIANA !!!!! Ian, is taht anywhere near Kendallville??? Angola????? Indy??? BobSlopsema: be good Elanor Pamela: welcome back, Bob Guy B.: Bye Elanor. Ian Primus: about an hour away from Indy Ron: only Columbus I know is Ohio Ian Primus: somewhat less if I drive... Pamela: been there, done that Ron Ron: yes, I was late. Missed all this I'm sure BobSlopsema: OK, waiting with baited breath.....whew ,that SMELLS Meeka: dad, that is south of franklin acording to Doug Pamela: and just where were you, young man? It's after dark BobSlopsema: whic direction???? Ian Primus: south Meeka: south BobSlopsema: comeon Ron wrong state rich c: it's on the Interstate about halfway from Indy to Louisville Ron: my geography sucks BobSlopsema: AHSO!!!!! BobSlopsema: not dark on the island Ron: no, but it may as well be Pamela: sorry, wrong time zone Ron: got 9 holes of golf in this morning before it started to rain Pamela: the rest of us are in the dark rich c: oh, up there with teh Inuit they almost have a midnight sun this season Ron: indeed you are Meeka: Dad, Doug says that Columbus is around 8 miles south of that big antique mall where we spent the night Ron: we're about 30 miles from the 50th parallel, and even here the days are longer than in Ottawa/Toronto Ian Primus: which antique mall - the antique mall/car museum? Guy B.: Ok, I just updated my website. Meeka: yes rich c: yes, we're about 44 north Ron: yeah Ian Primus: yeah, that's about 15 minutes from my house rich c: what's the capital of Indiana? Ian Primus: err 30 minutes with road construction Ron: um...... Des Moines? Guy B.: Indianapolis. Meeka: you see, antique malls are often used as driving referances in our family ;-) Ron: told ya Pamela: That's Iowa, Ron rich c: and they pronounce it dez moe-ins Ron: We're getting Wal Mart by November.... and Future Shop.....and everything! Guy B.: I have to pass through there when I go to Cincinnati. Ian Primus: I've been to that one a lot, but I don't have much money. most stuff is too expensive there. I'm into old radios as well as computers Ron: place to spend more money BobSlopsema: shees Ron, you Canadian or somethin??? Ron: :) Pamela: only on this side of the border, Bob rich c: have to ask you sometime about my Hallicrafters S-38A BobSlopsema: I found it on the map just now, so I know Xactly where it is! rich c: it's running awfully hot BobSlopsema: :-) Pam that';s good Pamela: thank you Ron: a short Pamela: brb, gotta go wash the mcflurry off my fingers rich c: I thought you wre drinking pina coladas? Ron: now it's my time for a soda Ian Primus: check the tube sockets - sometimes they oxidize, also, try replacing some of the old paper caps, new ones really improve performance Pamela: She's living dangerously tonight Meeka: don't you want iced tea Ron? ;-)
Pamela changed username to Kimberly rich c: let's say I suspect there my be oxidation - don't think I've plugged it in in 20 years Ron: Well I DO like ice tea Kimberly: Hi there, I'm filling in for Pamela, can I play too?? Meeka: i got hooked on it at convention rich c: anytime, Kimberly, and welcome Meeka: I havn't had pop since i cane home Ron: it was good eh? Ian Primus: the oxidation can cause shorts and cause it to heat up faster. it whould rub off with a pencil eraser. also, those old radios normally ran pretty hot rich c: though I'm not sure you have a sufficient level of insanity for this crowd Meeka: yes Kimberly we will let you play to BobSlopsema: SURE Kimberly!!!! welcome aboard rich c: yes, when I last tried it, I'd forgotten how hot normal operation used to be with tubes Guy B.: Hi Kimberly. Ron: someone care to introduce me to Kimberly? Kimberly: I'm sure my insanity level is fine considering how many years I've known you Meeka: kimberly is pam's friend rich c: for the younger generation - before transistors, radios had things called tubes BobSlopsema: NO Ron: ok Kimberly: I'm Pamela's friend from downstairs Ron: and Hi1 Ron: ! rich c: and my star library clubber from my teaching years Ron: aha! BobSlopsema: had a couple of those old tube types
moved to room Meeting Place Ian Primus: heh - I may be young, but I live in the past. I still use 8 track tapes and records
changed username to Dale rich c: I also still have an old Emerson portable, with tubes Dale: Hi all. rich c: got it for my 16th birthday, I believe Ron: Still got 8 tracks, but nuthin to play 'em on rich c: hello Dale Dale: Just thought I'd peek in. Meeka: we still have some of those around ...somewhere Kimberly: Hi Dale (from Pamela) Ron: but I also have a turntable, and lots to play on that Dale: And say hello to everyone. Ron: allo Dale my son! Meeka: hi Dale rich c: we have a newbie - Ian from Columbus, IN rich c: he's already sent a subscribe request to the mailing list Ron: gotta see where that is.......where's my map? BobSlopsema: HI Dale Meeka: be nice to him Dale he is just a young pup rich c: do get him on quick - he has lots of questions rich c: oh, I can remember Dale at 16 - it wasn't that long ago Guy B.: Hi Dale Kimberly: Now you're making ME feel old..... rich c: Dale, did you see teh article in the Globe Thursday about the TRS-100? Meeka: kimberly, it doesn't matter as long as you are young at heart Ian Primus: TRS-100? I have a TRS-80 Kimberly: well then, I'm only 7 rich c: it was written by a guy who still uses his, and knows others who use theirs Dale: Ian, you should receive an email welcomeing you to the list shortly. Ian Primus: several, actually Ian Primus: yup, I just got that message rich c: oh, my accumulation (outside Adam) runs to TI 99/4as Dale: Rich, I missed it. BobSlopsema: I am sure thre TRS80 crowd is just as adement as we are/......... Dale: Ian, have I talekd to you on Delphi? rich c: pity - just put it out for recycling, but it made me think of you rich c: maybe you can pick it up on the Globe website Ian Primus: Actually, my first love was the TRS-80 Color Computer. I am a member of the CoCo list, and have been to one of the CoCoFests rich c: did you know the AppleII users have a convention just like Adamcon? rich c: the 12th annual will be in Kansas City in a few weeks Ian Primus: possibly, I used to haunt the ADAM forum as KrazyKlingon, but now I actually have an ADAM BobSlopsema: COOL Ian Primus: the ADAMcon sounds to me like the CoCoFest rich c: which Adam forum? there were a couple Ron: aha! (I'm way back) Kimberly: Ian, have you ever been on a Seatrek cruise?? BobSlopsema: AHSO !!!!!!!! I thought the name was familiar....also, were youon Compuserve at one time??? Dale: I thought so. You seemed really familiar. Ron: 1/2 way between Seymour and Shelbyville Ian Primus: no Ian Primus: what's a Seatrek cruise Kimberly: It's quite nice, a convention on water without the security separating you from the actors Ian Primus: cool Ian Primus: I never used compuserve Kimberly: I've been to 3 so far but I missed the last one to Alaska this year in favour of the crossing to Europe
BobSlopsema left chat session Ron: Tough choice Kimberly
moved to room Meeting Place Kimberly: I know, but it was too good to pass up Ron: I hear ya
changed username to BobSlopsema BobSlopsema: hope this is faster. here....... BobSlopsema: ya dats' betta! Kimberly: Considering I always travel with my mother who is definitely not a Trekker, I figured she was due to have her choice rich c: switch computers, Bob? BobSlopsema: nope, connection got slow, so I dumped it and started over BobSlopsema: now I got back on the fast track Dale: Ian, as I recall you have quite a collection of 8-bit hardware. rich c: must be Code Red gumming things up Kimberly: I hear it slept in this morning Ian Primus: I need to get a modem for my laptop, I just got it so I haven't had time to get a modem or lan card Ron: Sir Cam? Ian Primus: yes, I have lots of 8 bits rich c: no, any decent anti-virus caught that Ron: yeah, pretty much although I did get a service call out of it last Fre Ron: Fri rich c: there's a really thorough virus scan called SurfinPro gets everything Kimberly: Does this mean the Code Red got a Code Blue?? rich c: but unfortunately it makes your computer too slow Dale: Jill says hi to everyone. Meeka: Dale, Doug wanted me to ask you what we owe you for that gal burner? ( he is to busy playing AC to get on with us and ask for himself) Ron: much ado about nothin' Kimberly: Hi Jillian, how's the baby (from Pamela) Ian Primus: AC? Ron: Hi Doug!
(S enjoys the flowers.) BobSlopsema: HI JILL........ rich c: hello Jill BobSlopsema: DA flowers are for jill
(S enjoys the flowers.) Ron: Hi Jill.... all's well I take it? Meeka: Ian, AC is short for Asherons call Ian Primus: never played it Dale: Jill appreciates the flowers. Meeka: he does, all the time Ian Primus: computer game? Meeka: it is an on-line roll playing game BobSlopsema: guuut !!! rich c: not a real one, a 32-bitter, Ian Ian Primus: ah, yes. I have bee addicted to a MUSH game online as of late BobSlopsema: A ROCK-EM SOCK-EM kill-em game he palsys Ian Ian Primus: text only, the only way to role play BobSlopsema: plays...that right? Guy B.: Well I'm going to go. I won't be able to make it Saturday. Going in to work. So, see you all next week. Kimberly: Are we speaking Klingon again?? Dale: I probably won't have time to do the GAL burner until later in August. Ron: work? Meeka: bye Guy BobSlopsema: be good Guy Ian Primus: see you later Guy Ron: seeya Guy rich c: OK, till next Wednesday. Take care in the heat, Guy Kimberly: Goodnite Guy (from Pam) BobSlopsema: will ber headed NORTh to the Cherry capital of the world....Traverse City, near Mackinaw brdige on sat Guy B.: We're up to our ears in reports and more are coming. Bye All Dale: Jill's good, but she says the baby is tired. BobSlopsema: so I won't be there either
Guy B. left chat session BobSlopsema: HOW does she know this??????? Dale: I think that it's really Jill that is tired. Dale: <grin> BobSlopsema: prolly more like it Ron: while we're on the subject of Saturday Mr.Clee Kimberly: you think?? rich c: remind me to tell you about Pamela and the Salt Lake City cherries sometime. Bob Ron: probably won't make it either.... got the whole fam damily comin' Ron: or what's left of us Kimberly: Spill it, I haven't heard this one..... BobSlopsema: please do!!!! I may find out Pam was NOT a perfect young lady, eh? Ron: I knew that! rich c: It hass to do with teh Cherry Hill campground Dale: I'm going out of town after next week's chat, and will be gone for about a week. Kimberly: p.s. Pam feeling pretty helpless at the moment.... rich c: which is built in - wait for it - a cherry orchard BobSlopsema: AH HA !!!! rich c: every site came with a tree and a ladder Kimberly: the plot thickens rich c: and we arrived just as they got ripe BobSlopsema: novel idea, that Ron: :) rich c: before we parked, she was up the ladder Kimberly: with who?? rich c: saw nothing but a rain of cherry pits till we were ready to leave rich c: but she didn't eat them all - turned out she had a stash Kimberly: Pam doesn't remember this part..... rich c: left a trail out the window clear to the California border Ron: got our auto sprinkling system going in the back yard, right into the back basement window...which was open Ron: computer sitting underneath Ron: now wet Ron: just thought y Ron: 'y'all might like to know Meeka: brb, Bandit thinks that he needs to go out. rich c: that always produces interesting results, Ron Kimberly: Was she playing out a Hansel and Gretal story with the trail of breadcrumbs/pits..... Ron: system is on a timer, and I always forget to close the window Ian Primus: I hope it wasn't yurned on rich c: tell him to cross his legs, Meeka BobSlopsema: Ron, smoke and fire????? Ron: no...it's one that should go to the dump really Ian Primus: err. turned on Ron: no.... it's on the inoperative list Kimberly: No wonder rich c: and if it wasn't before, it is now... Ron: trying to decide if I should take my first forray inside a monitor Ian Primus: what sort of computer Ron: suspect bad power transformer or a fuse in there Kimberly: Don't do it, you'll never come back!! Ron: it's an old AAMAZING Monitor, and a 386 rich c: don't - they bite - with really large fangs - even when unplugged BobSlopsema: watch out for the transformer, it will BITE you severely Ian Primus: I got pretty good at fixing monitors as of late Dale: Water is mostly harmless to computer equipment that is off. Ron: yeah, I've heard horror stories rich c: as in, knock you across the room, causing a SUBSTANTIAL dent in the wall Ron: it's had a bath may times before Dale: Just dry it throughtly before turning it back on. Kimberly: Operative word being mostly..... Ian Primus: I got an Apple IIe that was sitting in the rain for a year. it worked fine Dale: You might need to run a disk cleaner through disk drives. Ron: well this particular monitor waited for 2 days beyond my trip to the recycle 'event' back in April then it failed Ron: smartmon Kimberly: timing is everything Ron: it knew rich c: monitors are unpredictable anyway rich c: mine is working fine today and was yesterday too Ron: up here we don't have a place to take computer stuff that don't work...except once a year Kimberly: and other electronics aren't??? rich c: but before I was getting screen fade on bootup Meeka: ok, i'm back. Bandit thhought it would be more fun to chase the fireflies, but I convinced him otherwise ;-) BobSlopsema: meaning it will take adump one day....... Ron: Bandit rules! BobSlopsema: FIREFLY'S ????????? I want some!!!!! rich c: oh, the electronics in the van anti-theft are getting difficult too - wont let me start it Meeka: come and get them BobSlopsema: article I was in the paper said they are making a comeback all across the midwest rich c: I haven't seen firflies in Toronto since World War 2 BobSlopsema: not as many pesticides these dayas Meeka: we have them around almost every night Kimberly: Sounds like you ticked off the wrong computer and word is getting around to your other electronics..... BobSlopsema: cute little lighted up butts rich c: Iwas really trhrilled to see them in Cleveland Ron: don't think I've ever seen them. BobSlopsema: you are missing a treat Ron Meeka: you can come to our house next year ron Ron: oh yea when we walked back from Mama Santa Ian Primus: be kind to computers, and they will be kind to you Ron: s Kimberly: Ron, you saw them on the way back from dinner in Cleveland..... BobSlopsema: you get out in farming vcountry and they just light up the area like little fireworks rich c: little winking lights in the dusk - it's their mating call Ron: most times yes Ian. But there are nights here when I could put all of 'em out on the back lawn Ron: with the sprinkler on full tilt Ron: and the whole mess plugged in and running BobSlopsema: it's all that new junk Ron! Ron: I know eh? BobSlopsema: anything newer than 1985 is unreliable rich c: you never sholda bought that iMac Ron: 1/2 of me agrees rich c: it's gone and spoikled you Meeka: yes, we got one of the customary phone calls tonight. Doug, how do I......... BobSlopsema: something that you can see the guts of, is not good........... Kimberly: I have to agree with that Bob Ian Primus: I always wanted to see what would happen if you poured a coke into a 386 or something while it was running Ron: mine is not as new as that Bob....the purple stuff is sorta opaque BobSlopsema: well, Meeka HE'S the one whho went and learned all that stuff.... ;-) Meeka: followed by a loud sigh from Doug and a NOW WHAT? Ron: who me/ Ron: ? Meeka: i know that BobSlopsema: Ron PUR a COKE into the sucker!!!! Ron: don't tempt me rich c: or at least he shouldn't have let on Kimberly: Does that mix with the Guiness?? BobSlopsema: it might help ans it WILL make it sticky and hold it together Meeka: water usually works just as good Ron Ron: there's a sign in there that says, "No Pushpins" rich c: that is NOT your kind of computer! Dale: Coke is very corrosive to motherboards. Ian Primus: I still like the Mac SE for a compact computer Ron: no, not at all BobSlopsema: PIECE OF JUNK......."no pushpins"....what kind of stuff did ya buy?????? Ron: I have one Ian. It serves me well as a bedside clock Kimberly: Dale, are you speaking from personal experience?? rich c: voice of experience, Dale? Dale: We had a customer in our video store who had their son's friend do just that... Dale: during a party. Ian Primus: what happened? Ron: have it networked with an Appletalk/Ethernet bridge to the iMac BobSlopsema: took the rust off it right Dale? rich c: where di they bury him? Kimberly: It's the new version of a cheese sandwich in the VCR Dale: It ate through the controller board for the VCR. Ian Primus: no pushpins? on what? Ron: oh well, Ian, that's a tale someone other than I will have to tell you Meeka: Ron uses pushpins to hold computer parts together Ron: I have something of a reputation, it seems Dale: You'll note that it had sat in that sate for several months. Kimberly: Gee, really?? BobSlopsema: Ian, inside joke with Ron....he uses pushpins to poke and hold some wires thru the correct spot in the ADAM's memory expander Dale: The logic boards have only low voltages on them, so no magic smoke from the VCR. Ron: most people would make a solder connection eh? Kimberly: Hey, if it works..... Ron: exactly BobSlopsema: AND don't forget alligator clips to clip onto the pushpins! Ron: and as I have explained..... circuit boards don't want me near them with a soldering iron BobSlopsema: but, what the heck, we love the mmighty one anyway!!!! rich c: I just pushed the wire through and bent it up, then leaned the board back Ron: hey!1 BobSlopsema: VANCOUVER ISLAND IN 2003, here we come!!!!!!! Kimberly: How about bulldog clips instead?? Ron: right on man! Meeka: if you have any doubts, I got a picture of one of Ron's modified boards at convention this years rich c: now he'll never escape! Ron: we might even rope Cobley and Sands into being there rich c: super neat! BobSlopsema: be nice to see David again Ron: let's say I have expressions of interest BobSlopsema: and never met Dave Sands....... Dale: Anyway, much to do, so I'd better get going. Sorry I couldn't stay longer.
moved to room Meeting Place BobSlopsema: ok bye Dale. l;uv to Jill
changed username to Ian Primus Ron: s'ok Dale. Your're a busy dude rich c: it's OK dale, glad you came in Meeka: ok see you Dale Kimberly: Goodnight Dale, nice to meet you.... Ron: be well rich c: see you Dale Ian Primus: I'm back - darn ISP Ian Primus: good night Dale Ron: ISP's do that BobSlopsema: yup....Ian, who oyo got down there????? Meeka: almost everyone here has that problem from time to time Ian Kimberly: Goodnightn Dale(Pam) rich c: so does this chat module every once in a while Dale: See you later Ian. Nice to see you again. Dale: Bye all. BobSlopsema: for an ISP I mean???? rich c: and Netscape users have a problem with buffer overload Kimberly: We have to indtroduce Ian to James Ian Primus: tls.net BobSlopsema: him NOT here!!!!! Ron: you got an e-mail address Ian? Kimberly: he will be soon BobSlopsema: tis early in Japan......... Ian Primus: yeah - ian_primus@yahoo.com Kimberly: 13 hours ahead, I th8ink Ian Primus: please no viruses :) BobSlopsema: no, he comes thru the wires Ron!!! Ron: paper...paper Meeka: dale put him on the list Ron Ron: good Dale: poof Kimberly: just check the archive,s Ron rich c: the nice thing about an Adam is that it doesn't catch viruses
Dale left chat session BobSlopsema: see????and I had for an email address........ian@primus.usa.net Ian Primus: yeah, and Macs get many either. I run BeOS here sometimes. it's pretty virusproof too Kimberly: but it's users do catch colds... Ian Primus: yeah, that one died at the end of July - usa.net stopped the service rich c: yes, Microsoft is an easy target and big, so it attracts most of the fire Ron: Haven't played with BeOS, but one of the guys at our community net put on a display there not long back..Impressive Kimberly: nice juicy targegt Ian Primus: and it was ian.primus@usa.net BobSlopsema: so that's what happened.....got a LOT of email addresses here to send out for ADAMCON 14 here in 2002...BUThow many will bounce..... Kimberly: by the way, the typos are courtesy of Pam Meeka: i guess you will find out BobSlopsema: prolbably a LOT Ian Primus: yeah, whatever you do, don't send stuff to ian.primus@usa.net - it will bounce. use ian_primus@yahoo.com rich c: well, so far my ISP has been very stable and satisfactory Ron: try em .... then we'll know Kimberly: I hope you knocked on wood when you said that rich Ron: our local here just got sold, so I moved to the 'dark side' Meeka: see, now we lost Ron Ron: on cable Kimberly: ghost Ron Ian Primus: I HAD DSL for a while, then the company went bankrupt - back to modem *snif* Ron: the Force you know Ron: aw Ron: bummer Meeka: poor baby. rich c: I don't feel I need DSL quite $50 a month worth Kimberly: Well it's been fun guys, but I have to go now, since I'm still working on some jetlag Ron: Can't do it here. Am not within 2.7 miles of the 'mother' tin can Ian Primus: they don't even offer anything faster here rich c: OK Kimberly, do drop in again soon Kimberly: now here's Pam back on your regular channel Ron: nice to meet you Kimberly Meeka: we only have isdn and i get impatient when i go to work and have a 28.8 conection Ian Primus: the lack of broadband has been driving businesses out of Columbus
Kimberly changed username to Pamela Ron: s'all relative Meeka...like how does that song go. Ron: how ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm rich c: no one offering cable in your area, Ian? Ron: after they've seen......(???) Pamela: I'm sure she'll be back folks Ian Primus: not till 2004 Ron: What I like is not tying up mother's fone rich c: trouble is, here they want $50 a month for cable too Ron: she likes that to Ron: o Pamela: brb, I;m gonna walk K. to th door Ian Primus: Columbus - the technology black hole. all the local schools used Apple IIe's until very recently Meeka: work pays for our isdn lines. Ron: right Ron: really! rich c: hope they've now upgraded to Amiga 2000s Meeka: one of the perks Ian Primus: Now they have new Dell desktops - with so much anti-tampering software that the Apples were faster. seriously Meeka: doug has to have a reliable conenction into work the be able to admin the network Ron: neat Meeka rich c: that's why there was a hot market for 2000s last year Ron: probably Ian rich c: seems a lot of school boards in Mexico are standardized on them Ron: part of being available 24/7 Ian Primus: and the internet access is so restricted, we can't get to most educational sites, news, stock reports, email or anything useful Meeka: yes. in fact we even have two isdn so he can test stuff Pamela: So that's why you never fall off Ron: interesting Meeka: don't have to worry about speed though rich c: yes, the Net Nanny class of software can be pretty trashy Pamela: I must admit, that doesn't happen to us very often rich c: they have to cater to every crank and paranoid in the country Pamela: You seem to have found one of Dad's soapboxes, Ian Meeka: Doug keeps talking about going to dsl, but it isn't available here yet rich c: why go to DSL when you have ISDN? Ian Primus: the reason we can't get to a lot of sites is because the parser can't detect spaces, so words lile class are blocked out Meeka: ???????? Meeka: he wants to i guess Pamela: The one thing I miss while on line is not being able to call someone rich c: yes, having the phone line blocked is a downside Meeka: i can do that to. in fact it is the one thing i insisted I have is a normal line for the phone Pamela: But I won't go to cable, so I will have to wait until Tamco gets DSL up and running rich c: John seems to think it should be very soon now, Pam Ian Primus: and we can't check stock reports because the ticker abbreviation for Cummins Engine Company is blocked, and that really cramped the financial classes Ron: is that on the books Pam? rich c: I know the website was revised yesterday, but don't know what info was changed Pamela: according to our provider, very soon Pamela: not about DSL, Dad - something about somebody inadvertently reorganizing lines Ian Primus: fortunately, I have REAL internet access at home, so i don't have to use to ones at school rich c: it will depend on how much he prices it at and if Bell can provide the line rich c: most ISPs here are asking about $30 a month for DSL Pamela: Well, it;s gonna be more than the $200 / year we're paying now Ron: (expressions of jealousy) rich c: yes, that's to be expected Pamela: Why, Ron, what are you paying for cable? Ron: $39.95 a month Pamela: plus pst and gst Pamela: = ouch Ron: ya rich c: wonder if Bell will be shirty about my pulse dial line, after we frustrated them this week Pamela: now what did you do to Ma Bell? rich c: raised hell with the CRTC when they tried to convert us forcibly to tone - complete with extra charge Pamela: oh, that - I thought it was something new rich c: I and 3,000 others managed to force them to back off Ron: That actually made the news out here Rich Ian Primus: heh, one of my friends managed to fry a bell switching station with some not-so-careful phone repair Pamela: that took talent, Ian rich c: be nice, except that they could likely trace it rich c: and with the American taste for litigation... Ron: What's the population of Columbus Indiana Ian? Ian Primus: too few, but I'm not sure. It's a semi-large town, but not big Pamela: over 100,000? Ian Primus: I never counted. they move around too much Ian Primus: ; Ian Primus: ;) Pamela: : )) Ron: :)... you have to shout "STAND STILL" rich c: Toronto is a little larger than Chicago, so our ideas on "big" tend to be different Pamela: then count really fast Ron: 60,000 here if we count the farmers, their cats, and dogs Pamela: something over 2,650,000 I think at last count rich c: is that Comox or teh region, Ron? Pamela: or was that 3 million Ron: Courtenay/Comox/Cumberland Ron: the three solitudes Pamela: C cubed? rich c: basically the Qualicum Valley? Ron: no that's south by 40 miles Ron: we are in the Comox Valley Pamela: Are we gonna be able to find this place, Ron? Ron: Ian, for your info, I'm on an Island in Canada, 23 miles off the west coast Ian Primus: cool Ron: ya rich c: OK - I haven't made it up to the upper part of the Island yet Ron: it's about 6 hours north of Seattle Pamela: I'll just follow Dad rich c: what if we fly? Pamela: rental cars rich c: from Vancouver, I'd guess Ron: go to Vancouver, and get the Air BC puddle jumper to Comox Airport.... 1/2 hour from YVR Pamela: tin can with wings! Ron: puddle jumper = dash 8 Pamela: fun! Ron: 8 flights per day...more or less Meeka: ok you are not going to believe this one, but Doug says that it is time for bed ;-) Ron: Comox is a large military airport with a 10,000 foot runway Ian Primus: oh, back to the ADAM - is there a program that can convert a ColecoVision game ROM into a wav to play onto a tape. there is a program like that for the Atari 2600 supercharger, and for TRS-80 Color Computer Ron: NO! Pamela: Hmm, sounds fishy to me, Meeka rich c: I like Dash 8s - they build them just up the sdtreet from me Pamela: I was at the roll out Meeka: I know i almost feel out of my chair Pamela: Into his lap? rich c: Meeka, good night, see you next week rich c: Ian, yes Meeka: well... Pamela: Okay, I'm not going there. Sweet dreams Meeka: i will let you know later where I landed ;-) Ron: Ian re your question.... Meeka: see you all next week Ron: I don't think it's ever been done....but now with the emulator... it ought to be possible Pamela: bon soir Ian Primus: rich - there is? where can I get it? Ron: what was the other sound file format in the IBM world rich c: Ron, there are all sorts of programs to move carts to tape
Meeka left chat session Ron: yes I know that, but he's talking about WAV files Pamela: we lost Bob again rich c: there's even one in the Hacker's Guide, and an old CP/M one Ian Primus: well, play the rom image through the sound card onto tape, to then stick in the adam Ron: Ian are you talking about pulling off the sound, or the entire game graphics and all? Ian Primus: I'm talking about putting the entire game onto tape so that it can be played on the ADAM rich c: I use the commercial one from the Practical Programs utility group - forget the name Ron: I can do that much with my Sound Digitizer on the ADAM. It would be just a case of hooking the output Ron: from the sound card to the input on the Digitizer Ron: Ok... should be possible. I can transfer the ROM files to an ADAM disk Ian Primus: i figured that since I have no software for my ADAM, I could copy some of the ROMs from the 'net to tapes to give me some games to play rich c: I have tapes and discs full of cart images that are playable Ron: and there are ways of creating a tape image as well Pamela: I think it's time I packed it in folks. There's starting to be 1.5 of everyone rich c: goodnight, daughter. be good Pamela: really strange image, too Ron: be well Pamela.Good night Ron: I'll bet Ian Primus: can the tape images from the emulators be converted to real ADAM tapes, like with a soundcard in the PC and a tape recorder? Pamela: Good nite all. Dad, tell Mom I will really try to call soon -things have been a bit hectic and I know she's still waiting for an answer to her question. Pamela: Ian, come back really soon, okay? rich c: that I'd be inclined to doubt - remember the tape must have an Adam format on it Pamela: I'm outta here. *POOF*
Pamela left chat session Ian Primus: yeah, but wouldn't the format be applied when the image was played back? Ron: All you would get that way would be the sound track rich c: no, I don't think it picks it up in sufficient detail Ron: nope, doesn't quite work that way. Ian Primus: hmm too bad rich c: remember the other 8-bit computers that used a cassette recorder didn't use a formatted tape Ian Primus: but I can copy real adam tapes with a cassette copier, right rich c: that's why the Adam tape drive is faster than a Commodore disc drive Ron: your objective is to get an emulator ROM Game image to an ADAM tape right? Ian Primus: yes Ron: yes, you can....assuming you have the right tape copier Ian Primus: I want to get some sort of games into my adam and soon. Ron: not all of them worked....usually it was the older ones Ian Primus: I have a high end dual deck recorder Ron: and do you have a disk drive? rich c: and the tapes didn't stay stable very long Ian Primus: not for the Adam Ron: ok. Do you have an old IBM... XT AT Whatever? Ian Primus: yeah about a hundred pounds of them rich c: in short, any IBM with a double-density 5.25" disc drive Ian Primus: yup lots Ron: Rich Drusher (who was here earlier) hs a program that will allow you to use the disk drives and LPT port Ron: of the IBM as a server for the ADAM Ron: that should be Drushel rich c: I thought it was the srial port, Ron? Ian Primus: cool, so the adam can use the IBM as it's disk drives Ron: it requires a serial connection between the IBM and the ADAM Ian Primus: how do you connect to computers? Ron: yes Ron: serial card in the centre slot or left slot. Ron: connected to COM 1 or COM 2 Ian Primus: there are twho cards in the ADAM, one is a modem, the other isn't really labeled Ian Primus: I'll go get it rich c: which slot is it in? Ron: which slot? rich c: the modem will be in slot 1 and is 300 baud Ron: ya rich c: slot 3 is usually a memory card Ron: that's probably what Ian has rich c: but it can be a speech synthesizer Ron: you never know with these oldies rich c: still not sure if teh dual serial card goes in slot 1 or 2 Ron: speaking of which..... I want to buy one of your 3. But probably won't have it in the budget till the end of Aug rich c: no rush, Ron Ron: ok Ian Primus: the center card is an odd looking board - it has 6 chips, 4 caps, a resistor, and a transistor, as well as a 26 pin IDC connector Ron: ooohhh that's interesting rich c: sounds like a printer interface card, that's the most common in slot 2 Ron: it's a parallel printer card I think Ian Primus: ok, so I don't have a serial card :( Ron: if it was 20 pin it would be what we're looking for Ron: doesn't look like it Ian Ron: but you're talking to the proprietor of ADAM Services, Toronto rich c: the modem can be converted - if anyone can track down the instructions Ron: there's another option Ian Primus: how much would a serial card be? rich c: they run in the $10 US range, don't they, Ron? Ron: a serial card? rich c: sorry - serial cards are expensive - I think roughly $40 US delivered Ron: ok rich c: have to check to make sure, but I think they're about $55 plus postage Canadian Ian Primus: well, I'd better start saving. I have 3 dollars and 47 cents... gas is really starting to put a damper on my wallett Ron: The software (to the best of my knowledge) is public domain - talk to Rich Drushel about that next chat rich c: oh. the software or some software comes with the serial card I think Ron: That kind of setup would at least allow you to transfer games from an emulator via disk to a ADAM tape drive setup Ron: not sure if you could actually play them via the serial hookup...might not work from a speed standpoint rich c: by the way, they're $60 Canadian ($59.95) plus postage, so figure about $45 US delivered Ron: if you used a 486 33 or better you could run the emulator software and the ADAMserve program on the same machine Ron: However, Ian.... if you want to really use the ADAM the way it was intended...be on the lookout for a disk drive rich c: those are really expensive, Ron - a new MI is $200 US plus shipping Ian Primus: ouch Ron: No I was thinking more about getting lucky at 2nd hand. rich c: tell me about it - I bought tow of them at Adamcon 04 Ian Primus: is there any way to build a controller to use a PC drive? rich c: yes, that's how MI made the disc drives. The guts are pure PC generic Ron: the drive works from an old 360K ibm will work..... it's the controller Ron: that's different rich c: and with the Adam, you need an outside power supply for the disc drives, too Ian Primus: yeah, like on the tandy color computer Ron: most of us have several Ian, but we jealously guard 'em because with the age of this Ron: equipment it's best to have spares....lots of spares Ron: right... re the power supply rich c: to give you an idea, Ian, I have a very modest setup by Adam group standards rich c: only two tape drives, two 320K discs, two 720K discs, a 64MB hard disc, printer interface, memory expander (64K at the moment), etc Ian Primus: wow that's cool Ron: There is another option on the horizon Ian rich c: that's on my primary Adam, of course; the backup is less elaborate Ron: that 2nd slot we were talking about Ron: at our last ADAMCOn in Cleveland, we talked about actually building some hard drive interface cards Ian Primus: I have one tape drive - and nothing to put in it Ron: for a stock IDE hard drive (40 meg or 60 meg) rich c: that can be dealt with, Ian Ron: we can do something about that sir rich c: I should sell you the Adam version of Tetris - runs from tape -we like it best of all Tetris clones we've seen Ron: the hard drive option would probably give you a lot more flexibility Ian Primus: I noticed that the pinch woller in the drive is sticky - is that normal? Ron: normal, and not good rich c: no, that means it's about to eat any tape you put in it Ron: I take it you've got nothing to check the tape drive out with? Ian Primus: yeah, no tapes Ron: Hmmmm...... Ian Primus: I have a lot old audio cassettes though rich c: I am told that the roller "tire" can be taken off and replaced, but I have never heard of anyone who has done it Ron: You see...... at ADAMCON 12, I won a box of 30 some odd data packs rich c: or where they might have got a replacement Ron: And I don't use data packs much Ron: won't make any promises for the next two weeks or so Ian, I have family coming for a visit, and don't iknow Ron: how much time I'll have. but eventually I'll get you some tapes, and a spare tape drive Ian Primus: I would much appreciate it rich c: Bob always has a bunch of refurbvished tape drives for sale Ron: yeah that's right, and he's closer rich c: gentlemen, it's past midnight in our neck of the woods Ron: and on the same side of the border rich c: and us old folks need our shuteye Ron: right Rich rich c: think It's time I took my leave Ron: I must move on as well Ron: Ian, keep in touch rich c: Ian, a pleasure meeting and talking with you Ian Primus: likewise rich c: hope to see you both back here next week Ron: hopefully....the good Lord willin Ian Primus: I'll be around in the chats as often as possible rich c: so - colour me gone Ron: good Ron: nite all rich c: poof Ian Primus: good night
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