Dale: Hi Ian. Dale: Just checking the server to see that it's up. Dale: I'll be back later.
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changed username to rich-c rich-c: well hjello Ian Ian Primus: hello rich-c: right, thought if I dinged you, you'd notice Ian Primus: sorry, was working on something else rich-c: yes, when you're first on, the temptation to go multitask is high Ian Primus: anything new? rich-c: test rich-c: sorry just checking I was still on rich-c: anyway, nothing new in Adam terms, certain amount otherwise rich-c: had a problem with my ISP dropping me earlier tonight Ian Primus: well, at least you are on... rich-c: yes, it seems to be all cleared up now rich-c: I think John was working on something but got it sorted rich-c: question for you about the Sark handle Ian Primus: shoot rich-c: is that as in Jersey, Guernsey, Aldernay? Ian Primus: ? I don't know what those are, I just made it up rich-c: the Duchy of Sark is the smallest of teh four significant Channel Islands rich-c: they were the only part of Britain occupied by the Germans in World War 2
moved to room Meeting Place Ian Primus: heh - I never heard of that, that's pretty cool
changed username to Meeka Meeka: Hello rich-c: You may know them from the cattle breeds there rich-c: hi Meeka rich-c: see it took you a minute to get the name right rich-c: just telling Ian a bit about the Channel Islands Meeka: no, my dog was trying to jump into my lap and I was trying to distract him rich-c: they are British possessions but are actually just off the coast of France Ian Primus: and apparently one of them has my handle - Sark rich-c: ah yes, pooches and computers are not always an efficient mix Meeka: i see. rich-c: well now Ian if anyone asks you about it, you'll know rich-c: but there isn't any Sark breed of cattle - no bull Ian Primus: thanks, that's pretty cool. I have never heard of the Channel Islands before. I came up with the name a long time ago, to log onto IRC and the like rich-c: I don't have time for IRC but a handle is a good idea on most chats and bulletin boards
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: so is a diversionary email address from hotmail or such
changed username to Guy B. rich-c: welcome Guy Meeka: hi guy Guy B.: Greetings!!! rich-c: how's life in the Windy City? Guy B.: Meeka, I'm still bugging Dale to change my e-mail address. Guy B.: We had some severe weather moved through this evening. rich-c: to or from core.com? Ian Primus: hello Guy Guy B.: From Corecomm. Hi Ian Meeka: ya me too. exactly which address are we to use to get him to see it Guy B.: Any luck on the printer? Ian Primus: nope, it's still borked
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changed username to Pamela Pamela: Hi, Guy B.: I've sent three e-mails to the coleco-admin and he's been pretty slow at it. rich-c: pulled the rug on me, the server did! Guy B.: Hi Pam rich-c: hi daughter Pamela: tell me about it, I had to log on three times rich-c: you bounced me out when you came in! Meeka: hi Pam Pamela: even now, I'm not sure the connection will hold Pamela: HI, all rich-c: had a problem with Tamco around 8.15 but it's long cleared rich-c: this one was the chat server, though Pamela: Sorry, I seem to be in a somewhat sour mood but this too shall pass rich-c: you did say it was a hard day at work Pamela: I don't think so, Dad - I got bounced off while trying to download my e-mail Meeka: hard day at work Pam? Pamela: No, just frustrating - I had to stay for nearly three hours just to get the stuff done I was intending to do today rich-c: were you multi-tasking? Dale's server doesn't seem to like that Pamela: Huh? Pamela: You mean trying to sign on here and get email at the same time? rich-c: once you're on chat, the server gets upset if you try to do anything else, I've found rich-c: anyway, yes Guy B.: Can't be that tempermental? Pamela: No, I tried to download email first. When that failed, I gave up and logged on here rich-c: guess John is busy monkeying around with the setup, then rich-c: I did a fair bit of email earlier, no sweat Meeka: I never have a problem doing other things ahile in chat Rich, I quite often surf when the talk here gets technical ;-) Ian Primus: anyone know if Rich Drushell will be on later? Pamela: He monkeyed with it recently, and look where it got us - no access to the chat Meeka: he might if he has time Ian Pamela: anyway, enough outta me - how is everyone else? Guy B.: No problem with me either. But, I have 13 e-mail's waiting on Netzero. Tonight I'm on Corecomm and most likely the last time on the chat with it. rich-c: Dr. D. is unpredictable, but when he is on he's usually but not always early Meeka: WET Pamela: Wet? Pamela: How wet? Meeka: we had some big thunderstorms pass through today Guy B.: Pam, both of us had heavy thunderstorms passed through. rich-c: headed our way, from what I hear Meeka: they got 6 inches about 30 -45 min south of here Pamela: We can still use the rain, even though we've had some every day for the last five rich-c: glad you two took a little of the rambunctiousness out of them for us Pamela: Obviously, washing the cars worked Dad Guy B.: I was on the L when the storm hit at 6PM tonight. Ian Primus: he was going to trade tape drives with me - I sent him my broken one, and he was going to exchange me a working one. I sent mine out the beginning of last week. I have yet to hear from him Pamela: Can I tell everyone why tonite is special, Dad? rich-c: with Rich, you have to be patient. He's reliable, but extremely busy rich-c: sure, it's no secret Ian Primus: ah, kinda like me :) Pamela: Please wish my father a Happy Birthday Guy B.: Well, Happy Birthday Rich! Ian Primus: Happy Birthday Rich! Meeka: Happy B-day Rich. we will be nice and not ask how old you are ;-) rich-c: thank you...thank you...thank you very much... Pamela: Elvis has left the building Ian Primus: If I would have known, I would have baked a cake in the shape of a Coleco ADAM :) rich-c: it's OK, I'm 71 Pamela: It's been done, Ian Pamela: But the thought is nice rich-c: in fact, done at the last Adamcon rich-c: ask Rich and maybe he'll send you the recipe Pamela: I am so mad, most of my pictures from the con didn't turn out rich-c: what went wrong? Pamela: Don't know - they were all overexposed, I think rich-c: aanything salvagable left- that is, is there something recognizable as an image? Pamela: that film also had my pictures of Megan on it, and Stratford, and the Renaissance Fair Pamela: No rich-c: just all blank? Pamela: no, just hazy outlines, so hazy there's no way to define them Pamela: Since I have a point and shoot, I don't know how they could have been overexposed rich-c: is it colour negative film? Pamela: Yes rich-c: battery in the camera OK? Ian Primus: did you have the dial set to the correct speed? Pamela: I think so Guy B.: Rich, looks like I'll be adding Windows 98 to the Athlon as well as Win95. Going to install System Commander then Win98. It's the full version and I'm going to try the USB with the printer. Pamela: Don't have a dial, Ian - it's old enough not to have any bells and whistles at all, and it's not an SLR rich-c: Sounds highly sensible, Guy. I'm still trying to find someone who wants to sell me a computer rich-c: Pam, that sounds like a processor error - maybe you should raise some hell Guy B.: Still haven't gotten one together yet?
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: know what I want, but I want peripherals that will work under DOS
changed username to Pamela rich-c: and even the companies that make them don't always admit it Ian Primus: I've had something similar happen to me - I had a roll of film in and when it was on like picture #4 or so, the speed select dial got bumped in my pocket, and all the rest of the pictures were screwed up Guy B.: We've got twins! rich-c: for instance, Panasonic make a CD-RW with a DOS driver, but you have to email them to find out Pamela: Yes, my connection was terminated very abruptly Pamela: And I don't know which of me is the right one
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Meeka confirmed ban rich-c: well, now you know Guy B.: There, you're one now. Ian Primus: ok, I think that solved it Pamela: my connection currently says 4483 bytes rec'd at 3222 bps rich-c: sheesh! I'm showing 57.6K Pamela: Dad, can you send a message to John and find out what the heck is going on? rich-c: I'd suggest you hang up and dial in again Pamela: now I'm grumpy again rich-c: maybe even phone him at 416-222-6018 and ask Guy B.: That could solve it Pam. Pamela: I tried that three times already - I'm afraid that if I dial again, I won't get through rich-c: I don't want to try multitasking as it seems to hang my browser
moved to room Meeting Place Pamela: Hope I don't get dumped now rich-c: OK I'll try Pam Pamela: Thanks Dad
changed username to Ron's Maclap rich-c: the rest of you, hope I either (a) stay on or (b) can get back Guy B.: Ron, on the Mac tonight? Ron's Maclap: Yo! Pamela: Hi, Ron Meeka: Hi Ron Pamela: you're on the laptop, aren't you? Ian Primus: hellp Rom Ian Primus: Ron even Ron's Maclap: yup....wouldn't want it to get left out Ron's Maclap: besides....allows me to recline upon my bed Ron's Maclap: So how is all? Pamela: Meeka! I almost forgot! Guess who has a second afghan for the draw next year? Pamela: Don't ask right now Ron, it sucks to be me Ron's Maclap: aww Meeka: who Pamela: ME Meeka: cool Pamela: I asked my mom-in-law if she would consider a commission and explained the situation, and she has one already made! Ron's Maclap: will have to spend twice as much to win rich-c: well, look who snuck in while I was out! Pamela: Twice the odds of winning though Meeka: you mean I might actually be able to increase my odds eith two of them Ron's Maclap: Think we ought to let Meeka win Pamela: yes - although Mom's is'nt as fancy as Jean's are rich-c: Pam, a message has been sent, for what good it may do Meeka: i will get it eventually Ron Pamela: No way Ron Meeka: it just may take some time Ron's Maclap: yes, so say the odds Ron's Maclap: Hi Rich rich-c: Hi Ron Pamela: Thanks, Dad Pamela: Let me know if you get a reply rich-c: some interesting information, Ron Ron's Maclap: yes rich-c: may be a way for me to get to Adamcon 15 with my van Pamela: How do you figure that, Dad? Ron's Maclap: oh? rich-c: seems one can just bolt a V8 into it Pamela: Ooh, nifty trick Ron's Maclap: what's there now? rich-c: it's apparently quite commonplace, though mostly among hotrodders Ian Primus: what's wrong with your van, rich? Pamela: Not enough power to tow through the mountains, Ian rich-c: the factory engine - 4.3L V6 - is a total; slug Guy B.: Just had one of my neighbors here and he's picking up a Pentium 4 tomorrow and asked me to look it over for him. Ian Primus: ah rich-c: wont hold speed on hills, too slow to pass on two-lane when pulling a trailer Pamela: Why don't you want to take Behemoth, Dad? rich-c: across the Great Plains in July with no air conditioning? Pamela: Hey, you've done it before rich-c: I was younger then Pamela: and so was Mom rich-c: you got it Ron's Maclap: I'll drink to that Pamela: Cheers Ron's Maclap: Besides you'll need more power to escape the elevated rat population in Vancouver rich-c: does the Pentium 4 have the same tatller as the 3? Guy B.: That's what I'll find out. Pamela: They'll just go around, Ron Pamela: Vancouver, I mean rich-c: oh, is Van having a problem with rats now? Ron's Maclap: Couldn't have happened to a nicer place Ron's Maclap: yeah... was on tv today Pamela: Need more cats rich-c: any theories as to why? Pamela: How's the feral cat population? Ron's Maclap: they're spotting them in places where they haven't been spotted before rich-c: our problem is a local coyote who's wandering the west end eating catrs Pamela: They caught him tonite, Dad Ron's Maclap: no, not yet except that suburban sprawl is depriving the critters of places where Ron's Maclap: they used to live rich-c: Toronto's been sprawled for years and still going, but no rat problem rich-c: squirrels, yes; raccoons, definiteely; deer, at the airport;, coyotes - but not rats Ron's Maclap: true....must be something about the hand of the Almighty over Vancouver Pamela: Skunks Ron's Maclap: if you can imagine that Pamela: Gee Ron, I sense hostility here rich-c: naw, that comes with thunder and lightning, and that's been a shortage item for you folks of late Ron's Maclap: let's just say that I lived in Vancouver twice in my life Ron's Maclap: so I have paid my dues rich-c: most folks we know who live or lived there loved it Pamela: must admit it's been a while since I've been there, but I did like it when I was Ron's Maclap: well..... just my thing I guess rich-c: de gustibus non disputandum est rich-c: of course us Hogtowners look down our noses at Vancouver, but that's just jealousy Ron's Maclap: whatever Pamela: Let's see. 2001-1986 = a long time Ron's Maclap: world's fair? Pamela: Expo, yup Ron's Maclap: aha rich-c: so long ago I even have the pictures from it developed Pamela: Mom and Dad drove out and I flew out to join them - slept in a tent for 10 days rich-c: if I took any - I think I did Pamela: I think you did too Dad rich-c: wrong glasses on - can't read the slide tray labels Pamela: not prints? rich-c: Meeka, where's the rest of the family tonioght? Ron's Maclap: missing your father-in-law Ron's Maclap: and Judy Meeka: brb, Ron's Maclap: go fone and give'em hell rich-c: guess she's gone to get them Pamela: Actually Ron, there's a funny story connected to that tent stay Ron's Maclap: can't quite reach my tea without falling out of bed Ron's Maclap: bummer Ron's Maclap: go on Pamela: I went to sleep with an empty site next to me rich-c: Pam, when I sent that email I also downloaded the incoming - no sweat Pamela: after having to go and give the people behind us hell for being so noisy at midnight Pamela: and I woke up to Mom opening the door of the trailer Pamela: so I unzipped the tent and looked left at her Pamela: then glanced right, then back at her, then gave myself whiplash looking right again Pamela: There was a huge motorhome parked in the site next to us - I slept through them coming in, parking and setting up Pamela: Just about fell out of the tent Ron's Maclap: ha Pamela: Mom was laughing so hard she nearly fell through the door Ron's Maclap: when you go to sleep, you go to sleep rich-c: gets it from her old man Pamela: Especially when I am kept up the night before Ron's Maclap: right Pamela: I'm told that I hold conversations while asleep too Pamela: but only with people who are awake Pamela: not with myself Ron's Maclap: I do that Ron's Maclap: Would make a terrible spy Pamela: Russell loves to recount the conversations in the morning Pamela: some of them are pretty funny Pamela: Dad, any answer from John with your incoming? rich-c: oh, I checked that when I sent the outgoing to him, havent looked since Pamela: okay rich-c: anyway I told him the problem was yours - maybe you should check Pamela: Did you go out for dinner for your b-day? rich-c: no, minor treats will cover the matter Pamela: I would, but I'm afraid I'll get turfed again rich-c: I doubt it, he seemed to be thoroughly messed up for about five minutes, then all OK Pamela: although my rates keep going up Pamela: last check was 19500/11000 rich-c: John hasn't raised his rates since I first signed up rich-c: oh, your baud rates - right Pamela: no silly, my connection speed rich-c: I think Windows isn't reporting my true speed Ron's Maclap: Any progress on the ADAM front Ian? Pamela: Did you get the printer working yet? Ron's Maclap: aye Ian Primus: nope - my printer is not communicating with the computer and the ADAM has a gaping hole in the front wherer there once was a broken tape drive Meeka: ok, i am back. did I miss anything? Pamela: not really Meeka rich-c: not a great deal, Meeka Ron's Maclap: nah Pamela: Anyone want a cupcake? rich-c: we still have the total mystery of Ian's Adam printer Ron's Maclap: yes, yes, yes Pamela: since you were all so generous last week? Meeka: i do!! rich-c: the thing powers the computer, and does a perfect self-test Ron's Maclap: need to get a spare Pamela: {cupcake} {cupcake} Pamela: there you go - they're chocolate Meeka: the best knd Pamela: sorry, I can't get the print to go brown yet Meeka: kind Ron's Maclap: tks.....delicious Pamela: seems to work when Kimberly sends me aspirins via e-mail Ron's Maclap: So where's the 'in-laws' Meeka? Meeka: they should be on shortly Ron's Maclap: good Meeka: the had to work in Holland today at the antique mall rich-c: maybe Bob will have some idea of how to deal with the printer Ron's Maclap: ummm....Holland?
moved to room Meeting Place Meeka: maybe that is them Ron's Maclap: like where the flowers are?
changed username to BobSlopsema Pamela: Speak of the devil Meeka: sort of Guy B.: Yo Bob! rich-c: well, there he is - about time, Bob Ron's Maclap: there he be Ian Primus: on a general old computer front, I recently accquired an Atari 1040ST and an Atari 800 Pamela: Hi Bob BobSlopsema: not me.....NETZERO>!!!!!!
moved to room Meeting Place Ron's Maclap: have one of those Ian..... Atari 1040ST, that is rich-c: I thought you dropped core because netzero was so much better Meeka: Hi dad, and mom Pamela: and Judy too?
changed username to Judy S Ian Primus: It's a neat computer Ian Primus: do you have any software for it? rich-c: evening, Judy Meeka: she is proubly the undefined Pamela: cool Guy B.: August 31st, the last day on Corecomm for me. Judy S: Hi, everyone Ron's Maclap: I even have an Mess DOS Emulator for it Guy B.: Hi Judy Meeka: hello BobSlopsema: price wise, but now for ther 2nd time, our netrwork connection on netzero bumbed, so we are still on here tonight Ron's Maclap: Hi Judy! BobSlopsema: ;usign Core for thw laast time Ian Primus: hello Bob! Guy B.: Same here. Ron's Maclap: haven't changed my address book yet Bob, are you actually on there now? BobSlopsema: HI Ian Judy S: he had a hard time getting on tonight Guy B.: Now, we still have to bug Dale to change our e-mail addresses. BobSlopsema: how's school so far???? Meeka: yup Ron's Maclap: While were' at the address change thing..... BobSlopsema: yo u on netyzero tomight Guy???? Ian Primus: pretty good, now that I can drive there :) BobSlopsema: I couldn't log on for some reason Ron's Maclap: ronaldm@mars.ark.com will not work after Sept 1 Pamela: Ian, are you back in school already? Ian Primus: yeah Guy B.: I'm on Corecomm. 11 e-mail's showed up there tonight. Pamela: Wow, our kids don't start until the day after Labour Day Pamela: when does your year finish? Judy S: how was the weather today, it was really something here Pamela: so far we haven't gotten wet, but they're threatening rich-c: we're beautiful but they're threatening us with your weather tomorrow Ron's Maclap: we have dropped 10 degrees ..... rain wind.....west coast misery Guy B.: We had a big storm pass through here at 6 tonight with heavy rain. Ron's Maclap: swimming pool is full of leaves rich-c: that's teh first this month for you, isnt it Ron? Ian Primus: I don't remember when it ends, but in about 9 months :) Judy S: we had some awful storms here and we were going to Holland in the midle dof it Ron's Maclap: yeah.. was pretty good up to yesterday Pamela: So by the end of May, you're done, right? Pamela: we're in till end of June Guy B.: Got really dark there Judy. Pamela: So who cleans the pool, Ron? Ron's Maclap: the guy on the other side of the mirror Pamela: pity him Ron's Maclap: right Judy S: yes it was really dark, bob even pulled off the highway Pamela: on the other hand, once he's finished cleaning he has swimming rights Pamela: So I guess we won't pity him too much Ron's Maclap: Now let me get this straight. When you guys talk about Holland, where precisely are you Ron's Maclap: referring to? Judy S: it was raining so hard that you could not see Pamela: Seems to me I've heard of Holland MI Meeka: holland Michigan Ron's Maclap: shows ya what I know Pamela: Dont know where, but it's familiar Judy S: about 40 minutes to the west of us on lake Michigan rich-c: yes, I've hit weather like that, in the Adirondacks and Kansas among other places Pamela: Yeah, hot dry Kansas Pamela: (snicker) Ron's Maclap: ok rich-c: yes, we seem to have a talent for breaking droughts wherever we travel Pamela: we drove all the way across Kansas in the pouring rain rich-c: maybe we should have gone west this summer Pamela: In '75, wasn't it? Judy S: then they were talking about no power there, we thought we wouldn't have to work, but no such luck rich-c: no, it was on E-70 so that would be later I think Ron's Maclap: so this was a business thing? Pamela: the power failure is always in the most inconvenient place, Judy Judy S: yes we were working at the antique mall today Ron's Maclap: aha Guy B.: Ok, I'm back I'm sending Joe Blenkle ECN issue 3 for his project. Ron's Maclap: good stuff Guy. Knew somebody had to have it rich-c: can he receive graphics files? Judy S: it would have meant that we would not have to work that would be a good thing Guy B.: I have all the issues of ECN, Augment, Niad and that one and only issue of the Garden of Adam newsletter. Ron's Maclap: working, as in staffing a booth at the mall? Judy S: Oh, I got my snowbaby that I was bidding on last week Ron's Maclap: ALL RIGHT! rich-c: other bidder finked? Pamela: I have some small things to do folks - I'm gonna disappear for a while. Depending on how long they take I may or may not be back Judy S: Yes working caring keys all day rich-c: see you later maybe then, Pam Ron's Maclap: ok Pam. Guy B.: Don't get lost Pam Ron's Maclap: bee good Meeka: ok Pam.see you later if you make it back Pamela: Hope so. Otherwise, I'll see you next week Guy B.: We'll see you later. Judy S: to unlock cabinettes Pamela: Ciao for now
Pamela left chat session rich-c: TTFN Ron's Maclap: where did 'ciao' come from? rich-c: Italy BobSlopsema: italy...... Judy S: bye for now then Pam BobSlopsema: or a WESTERN movie!!!!! rich-c: you're forgetting Toronto's demographics, Ron Ron's Maclap: as in Ciao, Ciao Bambino? rich-c: si, signor Ron's Maclap: coupla guys out here use it in their e-mails Ron's Maclap: a song of the late '50s I believe rich-c: guess that was after I quit listening to pop music Judy S: Meeka how does your freezer work? Meeka: freezer??? Ron's Maclap: by compressing coolant and sending it through a grid where the food is....and Meeka: we haven't gotten it from sears yet Judy S: sorry thats right you didn't get it yet Ron's Maclap: shutup Ron Judy S: my mind is running behind Meeka: that's ok Meeka: been a logh day for everyone Judy S: had a hard day rich-c: yeah, I think I'm up to about 1993 - how about you, Judy? Ron's Maclap: mine is starting to regress Guy B.: Yep, that's for sure. This Friday is my company picnic and we have a Western theme this year. Judy S: tried to make a cup of coffee without putting the water in, didn't work too good rich-c: don 't let it go too far, Ron, or you'll be back in Ottawa rich-c: oh, I usually get the water in, just forget to turn the kettle on Judy S: that is about it, maybe 1934 Ron's Maclap: yes, must watch that. Judy S: was making one cup at a time in the micro Ron's Maclap: Just got a 15 minute battery warning rich-c: gueass you'll have to fire up a big computer Guy B.: Time to put the plug in. Meeka: better plug in ron rich-c: that was a short 15 minutes, wasn't it? Guy B.: Well, he wasn't fast enough. Judy S: but stro cups don't like it with no water they just burn, didn't smell to good eithre Meeka: Bandit is bing funny tonight. we have a fly in the room and he is trying to chase it and whines at it if he can't rich-c: now you know why they talk about nuking them Meeka: get to it rich-c: have to train himm to walk on the ceiling, Meeka Judy S: at least he can see them I don't think Snick would have Guy B.: Abby want's to get a baby rabbit when I walk her. But, they are fast hoppers. Ian Primus: I have a quick question - is the ADAM sound sterio rich-c: we don't seem to have much in the way of rabbits around here any more Judy S: send her here Guy the rabbits like my flowers rich-c: the Adam has three mono sound channels plus a noise channel Guy B.: The rabbits would out run her. But, I think I wouldn't want to risk your flowers. Judy S: eats even my rose bushes rich-c: oh, our raccoons like our garden hose Ian Primus: so, I take it that I can get stereo sound out of it? Guy B.: We have a big rabbit population here in North Riverside too. See the same baby rabbit every morning. rich-c: nope, just mono, Ian
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changed username to Ron's NonMac rich-c: leave it full of holes Guy B.: You ran out of power that fast Ron? rich-c: that's what I get for buying a fancy expensive rubber hose rich-c: they never touched the old vinyl ones Judy S: stick to the cheap ones then maybe they will leave it alone rich-c: welcome back, Ron rich-c: that may be the only solution, but they get so stiff in the fall when it's cold
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changed username to Ron's non-Mac Ian Primus: I am planning on buying a cheap set of stereo amplified PC speakers and hacking them to get the proper jack to allow the ADAM to plug into them.For $2.50, I don't have much to lose. Ron's non-Mac: Obviously I'm not living right rich-c: what's the matter with the speaker on your TV? Ian Primus: I don't have a working color TV rich-c: what are you using as a monitor then? Ian Primus: I am using a color Apple IIc monitor Ian Primus: no speaker rich-c: oh, I have a Commodore 1702, which haS A SPEAKER Ron's non-Mac: the signal coming thru that jack on the ADAM is a composite Ian. There's sound there too, so the stereo thing should work rich-c: why DO they put the a so close to Caps Lock? Ron's non-Mac: to annoy users rich-c: sorry - shoulda known
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Ron's non-Mac changed username to Ron rich-c: oh, there he is now rich-c: did you get carried out when Pamela left? BobS: nope later BobS: whole stupid thing jsut crapped rich-c: dropped by netzero or the chat server? BobS: who knows BobS: Jusy locked up in balck mode and I just got lost somehow Ron: You'll have to get onto them about that Bob rich-c: server usually gives a freeze, otherwise it's the ISP
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changed username to Judy S Guy B.: Judy's back too. rich-c: oh, now Judy's been in and out Ian Primus: I hope to have a working ADAM setup soon - I am negotiating a deal to get a disk drive, 64k RAM card and some other stuff Ron: you'll like all that Ian Judy S: yes, got blown away and 98 is not the greatest rich-c: I am still trying to figure out why your printer won't work BobS: was;monkeying with emial to Brian, the guy with the memory expander "problem" BobS: maybe that crapped it out rich-c: think I asked before, but have you tried the print command in Basic? Judy S: was not easy to get back Ian Primus: I've tried everything but wave a dead chicken over it Ian Primus: I can't get into BASIC Ron: there are two plugs inside the printer which could be oxidized....(wild guess dep't) BobS: win98...thre crowning achievement for Bill Gates on how to screw the computing consumer Ian Primus: no tape drive Ron: front right of the circuit card, visible under the print head bar rich-c: you mean the edge connectors, Ron? Ron: yes Ian Primus: I cleaned everything inside - all contacts and such Ron: have you already covered that? rich-c: if the problem is there, would it check out OK on the self-test? Ron: ok....so much for that idea Guy B.: Well, I'll be adding Win98 to my Athlon. I bought it at last week's computer show. So, no WinXP for this system. Ron: no,probably not rich-c: intelligent decision, Guy Ron: another ADAM related question.... rich-c: everything I hear about XP makes me like it less rich-c: hope the government gets an injunction to stop them shipping it Ron: is anybody out there familiar with Rich Drushel's AdamServe program? Guy B.: Me too Rich. rich-c: I keep hearing about it but never seeing it Guy B.: I have it Ron. What's wrong with it? Ron: what serial ports are you using Guy? Ron: Micro Innovations, or Oprhanware? Guy B.: I hope to get this Compac up. That's where Adamserve will run off of. rich-c: we've lost Judy again Ron: I have an ADAMserve Boot disk for the ADAM which is intended to work with an Orphanware serial port Guy B.: I believe I have the Orphanware one. It's a black box attached to the side of the Adam. Meeka: ok everyone, I am going to get going. I need to put my laundry in the dryer before bed. see you all next week Ron: is there a different boot disk required for an MI saetup? Guy B.: Bye Meeka. rich-c: goodnight Meeka, see you next Wednesday
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Meeka left chat session Guy B.: Herman sent a boot disk for it and I made a copy to tape for it and it works. Scott: Ello! Guy B.: Hi Scott. Ready for the new semester? Scott: Ooooh yeah. Semester starts in one week (gasp). BobS: hey Scott!!! Ron: ok. I'm trying to set up my oldest ADAM with MI serial ports to an old 386 server. Not getting nowhere Ron: will have to ask Dr. D Scott: How're you Rich/Bob/Ron??? Ron: good here.... wet, but good BobS: fine ya'll
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changed username to Judy Ron: Judy has re-appeared rich-c: we're trying to figure out why his printer wont reespond to Smartwriter Ian Primus: Indiana Judy: It's me again Scott: Anyone seen Dale lately? rich-c: it does the self-test and powers the Adam fine Scott: Just curious... Guy B.: He was here last week, but not tonight. Scott: Guy -- what are you taking this semester? Ron: He was here last week Judy: my computer just shut down, maybe it is tired too Scott: I've got Unix Administration and Cisco II. rich-c: comes from taking off a discount ISP, Judy Guy B.: Well, I'm looking into a university online. BobS: nnope win 98....our "gift" form me gates BobS: we are on the hig priced one yet tonight reichard Scott: University online? rich-c: if you think 98 is bad you should try ME, from what I hear Scott: Gotta watch out for those online classes. Guy B.: With my goofy hours and overtime, I don't have time to attend a class at a traditional college. Scott: I've taken two through my community college. Scott: I have not been impressed... Judy: spare us from that, please Scott: Anyone else taking classes for the Fall semester? Guy B.: I'm on a home study course with AICS, but I haven't gotten back onto that, plus now I have outdated programming language (Pascal) that I still have to do. Ian Primus: well, I am in school - high school Judy: I didn't have any trouble last week under 95 Scott: Wow! Pascal. I haven't heard of that programming language in a long time... BobS: got it here for the ADAM Scott: Ah yes! The memory is kicking in. I remember talking to you a few weeks ago. BobS: don;'t know how to prgoram it though Judy: too busy for school Ron: Something like the Peter Principle. They keep making improvements to the operating system until it stops working rich-c: oh, is the 98 a new installation for you, Judy? Scott: Er, uh, where did you say you were from, Ian? Guy B.: I have Turbo Pascal 6 on the P133. It's not an easy language to master. Judy: yess, just went on Saturday rich-c: oh, well new installations never work Scott: I'd like to study ALL of the major languages that have been used for specific purposes. Judy: Bob bought a new printer, won't work with 95 Scott: Unfortunately, there's only so much time... BobS: no chit Rich rich-c: actually it likely will if you get the last upgrade to 95 with USB support Ron: and the older you get, Scott, the quicker it goes by Scott: Jeez... I'd love to get some time just to study z80 assembly. Judy: so I have 98, don't know why it didn't go on his Guy B.: Well folks, I'm going to go. I could make it Saturday, if I'm not working. See you all later. Scott: Go? You can't leave us...
Guy B. left chat session Scott: Where do ya think you're goin'??? rich-c: hope to see you on the weekend, Guy Scott: Hmmm????? Ron: stay well Guy Judy: bye Guy rich-c: when a printer box says Win98 minimum it is usually because it's USB only Judy: that is right Judy: was cheap Ron: Mac's latest OS doesn't even work with all USB printers.....only the high end ones rich-c: there is actually a very late revision of 95 that does support USB properly Scott: Rich -- I have reminded my dad of the disk drive as I have told you, and I haven't received a response. Ron: Scott......have a favour to ask....while you're talking to Mark Scott: If I knew how to fix it, I'd do it myself. But I have reminded him. A little frustrating... Scott: Yes, Ron. rich-c: I appreciate your efforts; Scott; do keep at it as you can Ron: I need a power supply for an MI 360k 5-1/4 inch floppy..... BobS: usb...........comoputer achronym for " YOU SUCK BUD" Scott: His e-mail address at work is Mark.Gordon@auc.trw.com. BobS: in other words, get lost and don't call aback Scott: Ah! Power supply. That I know we have. Ron: it was one I bought from your Dad around 1995...and the power supply has become ...shall we say, separated Ron: it's a 9 pin plug Ron: Will pay Scott: My dad showed me a few boxes of power supplies for disk drives. Scott: Said I could have them, if I wanted them. Scott: I believe they're still in our storage. rich-c: Grab them quick! Scott: I don't believe he'd throw them out. Ron: yes, please Scott: While I'm asking for those, I'll remind him of the disk drive. rich-c: cunning Ron: brb..phone's ringing BobS: oh swell !!!!! Ron is saved at last!!!!! Scott: I remember seeing boxes of new power supplies. rich-c: now all we have to do is get Ian up and running BobS: Rich, got any memory expanders????? Scott: No exaggeration. rich-c: maybe Scott would have a hunch BobS: like as in 256k? Scott: I'll send you a couple. rich-c: I may have a used 256K but I'm not sure rich-c: can lay my hands on 64K also Scott: That's right, Rich. I need to purchase an MIB-3 from you. Ron: good Scott: But I don't have my ADAM here at the apartment. Scott: All the ADAM stuff is at my parents house. rich-c: anytime you like, Scott - your dad can tell you what they sell for rich-c: I also have an MIB2 available Ron: call was for mother...she's getting more calls than me tonight rich-c: count your blessings Ron: right Scott: Rich, we need to get the old ADAM Resource site back online. BobS: I told ya'll at about it ad AC13, he swears hi copied 159 blocks at at time before and now can only do 92 rich-c: all our calls are people who want to vacuum our ducts or sweep our chimney BobS: I sent him a ram test disk and it says 64k Scott: I have my puny 2 MB of space on the AOL account that no one visits. Ron: we get those here too, usually around supper time BobS: now he is lost........GOT an ideea thogh may be the sire, yes??? Judy: sell you something I didn't want Ron: you'll all be happy to know that last night I took my oldest ADAM apart completely Ron: Thought if Bob and Judy can do it, so can I BobS: without the wire pushpinned in place, the expander whould only be recognixed as 64k Judy: why, Ron Ron: having some trouble with my Minnie Winnie, and the only fault I've ever had with that beast is the hard drive controller Ron: you should have seen the DUST.....major major Judy: just blow BobS: hey RON!!!!!! email me the boot disk fro the mini winnie via ADAM EM will you??? Ron: yeah... that's great for an asthmatic BobS: GK is slow to send it to my......picked up a mini winnie board and we installed it but need the boot disk Ron: yep will do sir rich-c: you'd put up such a cloud, Environment Canada would be on your back Scott: Is anyone interested in seeing all of the old articles from The ADAM Resource that I OCRed awhile ago? Judy: well, night all I have had it tonight and have the boys tomorrow. Ron: definately Scott rich-c: yes Judy: so I need to retire Ron: Bob, you got any spare mfm drives around there? Scott: Where could we put this? rich-c: OK Judy, sleep tight, see you next week BobS: Doug wanted it via email but GK said he would send a physical disk, but nuthin yet Ron: think I might have a bad drive Scott: I've got a paltry amount of space from my AOL account.
Judy left chat session BobS: no, just one I got from Howard @ AC9 in a case with ps rich-c: even if no one reads it, it will still be another Adam listing for the search engines Scott: Dale's got a ton of space, but I can't catch up with him. Ron: ok... have to look locally first, surely one of my usual banditos has one BobS: can work on one though and get you going next summer!!!! rich-c: send him an email - dmwick@home.com Ron: that'll do Bob Scott: Tried. He hasn't replied. rich-c: oh, he's usually fairly good from that address Ron: the older ADAM is a spare really....have the IDE setup that works fine (touch wood) rich-c: maybe he is out of town rich-c: you know the Wicks are expecting? Scott: We're both fairly busy, so I shouldn't be surprised. BobS: expecting us?????? BobS: ;-) Scott: No, didn't know that. That would explain a lot. Scott: By the way, I received my official grades. rich-c: yes, Jillian has been having a bit of an uncomfortable time of it Scott: Got A's in my Cisco and Local Area Network class. BobS: AND?????? rich-c: I won't ask since I don't understand the GPA system anyway BobS: super!!!! rich-c: As I do understand - them's good Ron: congratulations Scott! Good work Scott: Just gotta keep it going so that I can get into Waterloo, er, uh, Stanford... BobS: gotta go to ;guys............won't be here next wed, going camping,.......`.see you 2 weeks from today!!!!! rich-c: the beer is better at Waterloo Scott: So if you wonder why I'm wishy washy doing anything ADAM related, remember that my classes are killing me. Scott: Camping?
BobS left chat session rich-c: OK Bob, have a good trip, see you after Labour Day Ron: stay dry Bob. see ya in a couple Ron: we knew that you were busy Scott, and that sounds like priority rich-c: the Slopsemas have a motorhome Ron: that's right.... I saw the beast...so dry they will be Scott: That would be fun. rich-c: the biggest shortage in the Adam community is round tuits Ron: ah yes, the much sought after roundtuit rich-c: Scott we are trying to figure out why Ian's printer won't work Ron: coveted, fought over, even rich-c: we need new ideas - want to try? Scott: Do you realize that since I've been attending these chats I've finished 4 semesters at college? Scott: My how the time flies... Ron: if it wasn't so far away, I'd send a spare Scott: What exactly is the problem? Ron: exactly is what we're having trouble with.....symptoms Rich? rich-c: yes, borders raise costs and postal handling isn't alwasy careful rich-c: it selftests and powers teh Adam fine rich-c: but will not respond to a print command from Smartwriter Ron: I've never seen that one before Scott: How's the connection from to SmartWriter? Scott: Heh. Scott: You've got power, but the printer isn't responding to commands, right? Ron: you there Ian? Ian Primus: yeah
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changed username to rich Scott: Welcome back, Rich. rich: everyone else has been booted, guess it was my turn Scott: I guess I'm next. rich: anyway, how is the signal from Smartwriter communicated to the printer? Scott: Let me think for a minute. rich: Ian doesnt have a tape drive so can't test the print command from Basic Scott: It's been awhile since I've printed from my ADAM printer. Scott: So he's booting off diskette? Ron: me too rich: I'd expect the OS call to be the same from both Scott: Or he's just using SmartWriter that's bankswitched in from ROM? rich: yiou have been away from Adam a while, Scott rich: Adam is self-booting Scott: Not SmartBASIC. Ron: Ian, when you pull the reset switch on the ADAM, does the printer do anything? Ian Primus: I don Scott: Unless he replaced his ROMs (fun experiment). Ian Primus: I don't have a disk drive or a tape drive Scott: So you're just running SmartWriter? rich: doesn't matter, what does it do when you turn it on? Ron: So it's Smartwriter or nuthin Ian Primus: It turns the wheel and goes to the left Ron: ok,that's normal rich: OK, that's the POST so that's OK Scott: Can you type in anything from immediate mode? Ron: good question rich: yes, that's the one we forgot Scott: Before entering into the actual SmartWriter program? Ian Primus: I can type, but it shows up only on the screen rich: now there is a clue Ron: printer doesn't respond at all to immediate mode typing? Ian Primus: even in typewriter mode Scott: Hmmm. Ron: I have no idea Scott: How's the connection between the printer and the CPU? rich: that is weird Ian Primus: yup, after that initial startup, the printer is totally motionless. it does NOTHING Scott: Have you tried pulling it out, then plugging it back in, with the power turned off? Ian Primus: fine, I checked it with my handy-dandy multimeter Scott: How's the cable itself? rich: in immediate mode, that's a very direct command, isn't it? Scott: Yes. Ian Primus: tried that several times - even tried tuner cleaner rich: connections clean - wires aren't broken - power getting thru... Ron: this we will have to get to the bottom of rich: and the printer responds on POST and self-test Scott: Sounds like it could be the cable that comes out the back of the printer and connects to the CPU. Scott: Could be bad and need to be replaced. rich: seems it would have to be a fault within the CPU somewhere Ian Primus: yeah, but I checked the cable with a multimeter Scott: Sounds like the printer is simply acting as a power supply and can't recieve commands. Ron: brb Scott: Otherwise, it would try to implement partial/full commands to varying degrees of success. Ian Primus: I havent ventured under the ADAM motherboard yet, maybe there is something lurking under there rich: Or it can receive but the commands aren't getting out of the OS into the cable Scott: You checked the power with the multimeter, correct? You're problem isn't power related as stated. rich: don't be surprised if you find a bit of corrosion, Ian Ian Primus: power's fine Scott: Yes, could also be a bad chip inside the printer. rich: if it wre in the printer the self-test would fail Scott: That's why I think it's a problem with the connection. It seems to be able to self-test correctly. Ron: yeah.... a data line somewhere Scott: Somehow the data isn't being recieved by the printer. Scott: Otherwise it would at least try to process the printer commands. rich: that's our reading of it Scott: Unless the chip is bad, which could perhaps get through the self-test but not do anything else. Ron: is there any kind of noise (clicking etc) coming from the print head Ian? rich: the failure in immediate mose suggests the Smartwriter program isn't at fault Ron: when you depress a key in immediate mode, I mean Ian Primus: no noise rich: any effect if you hit the enter key sevral times in immediate mode? Scott: Too bad you don't have a second system to see if the problem is in the connection at the printer or the connection at the CPU. Ron: yeah....that's how most of us trouble shoot....swapping stuff in and out Scott: A trip to Ebay is probrably you're cheapest fix. Ian Primus: no effect Ron: agree....try get another system....would be good just for backup Scott: Well guys, gotta go. Girlfriend's looking at me strange. rich: problem is, shipping on a replacement system will kill him Ron: hello girlfriend Scott: I'll be in class next Wednesday, but hopefully I'll be able to join you one of these nights... Ian Primus: namely because I have no money :) rich: Look forward to seeing you, Scott Ron: thanks Scott, and thanks for checking out that power supply for me Scott: Girlfriend's name is Ligia. Scott: See ya later! Ron: Hi Ligia rich: our best to Ligia
Scott left chat session Ron: nite sir rich: lots of people will give you a new printer or CPU, but you have to come fetch it or pay for the shipping Ron: well...... yes, I have 4 or 5 here Ian Primus: yeah, I found such a person - the same with the disk drive and RAM card, he will send me a heap of stuff, problem is that he is in Canada rich: as Sands remarked, put out a request to the list and tell the respondents to take a number Ron: :) rich: so am I and so is Ron - that's not a problem rich: we have a post office too, such as it is Ian Primus: I couldn't afford the shipping. to bad there's no ADAM rate... rich: I've already shipped two Adams to the US this year Ian Primus: for heavy computer parts Ron: yeah rich: yes, that's the killer, I agree rich: your dollar goes further here but the basic rate is higher Ian Primus: how much is it normally? rich: I think it cost me about $40 US to ship each Adam Ron: sounds about right rich: that's a complete Adam, of course Ron: the major weight of the system is the printer rich: but the printer is heavy on its own, and teh CPU runs into a density charge rich: there is a minimum charge for any given volume of package, and it's high Ian Primus: I have to go - I'll talk to you next wednesday. sorry to run, but i need to go now rich: iOK Ian, see you next week Ron: ok sir..takecare Ian Primus: *poof*
Ian Primus left chat session Ron: have no idea what that might be Rich rich: wow, someone just took a real nasty poke at me - Zone Alam shut down the page Ron: in all my years of ADAM experience and acquiring this unit and that Ron: maybe we should call a halt.......memory failed last Sat...maybe this Sat it will be better rich: yes, it's about that time. Be on Saturday? Ron: will have to write myself a note again...that seems to work rich: OK, maybe David will be back again Ron: was he in Sat? rich: see you on the weekend, then Ron: ok sir...g'nite rich: yes rich: nite now Ron: later
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