Rich Drushel: Hey Herman, is that you? hlm: Hello Rich hlm: yes it is I Rich Drushel: Looks like we're the only two today. Rich Drushel: I've missed a bunch with classes starting up again. hlm: Yea, maybe somebody will show soon Rich Drushel: Finally caught a little break. Rich Drushel: If you saw my E-mail to the list, I have to go at 4 PM to cut the grass. hlm: same here been working and remodeling my house Rich Drushel: What part are you remodelling? hlm: Rich Clee probably gave up on the chat with no shows he is usually here hlm: the entire downstairs... making it one large one family house Rich Drushel: It will give you some more room (for computer setups) :-) hlm: we got custody of our grand child so had to make room for her Rich Drushel: How old is she? hlm: NO office gotta stay where it is, BUT I got both systems on desk now.. still having problems with P/S hlm: she is 2 will be 3 dec 4th Rich Drushel: Gotta remember how to change diapers now... Rich Drushel: Fortunately we're done with that. Gretchen is starting kindergarten Wednesday; Christina's a freshman at Heights High. hlm: thankfully we have potty trained her already she has accidents every so often but not regularly hlm: got about 2 years before school but wife teaches her she knows alphabet or alphabet song anyway Rich Drushel: That's good. hlm: seems they teach kids by song etc now hlm: calculators even allowed in school how do you ever learn to count now Rich Drushel: Gretchen can sing the ABC song and write her name and a few other letters, but if you ask her to write a G, she doesn't know which letter that is. Rich Drushel: Pretty soon they'll start teaching typing in kindergarten, and nobody will know how to write anything manually. hlm: that is normal I guess... but I will NEVER understand how they count in school I am told that they ESTIMATE while adding or something to that effect Rich Drushel: I see this already at CWRU, unreadable writing from people who have typed most of their teenage years. hlm: well Bill Gates took care of that... Now do they even sell writting paper now probably just printer paper Rich Drushel: At CWRU there are computer programs that do algebra and calculus...so the intro math courses are how to use those programs. hlm: that is sad... hlm: I had a BOOK, a piece of paper, and a pencil... and had to come up with the right answer Rich Drushel: Some day there will be something like Hale Farm & Village where you can go and see how people used to write and add with pencil and paper. hlm: yea and the people will be in straight jackets when they see it... like TV with out a remote the dark ages pagers and email no more visiting go to the web and do a conference Rich Drushel: Wait 'til computer graphics gets so good that they can create a 3D teacher who looks like a real person. Then there won't be any more real teachers because they'll be too expensive. Rich Drushel: Microsoft Math Teacher 1.0. hlm: make her YOUNG and good looking and I will go back to school :) Rich Drushel: Those are adult education classes :-) hlm: graphics are pretty good... I just broke down and got a capture card I was asking you about with 32meg ram, and they looked at me like I was crazy cuz I didn't get a bigger one hlm: heck I only got a ONE MEG video card now 32 should be 32 times better I figure Rich Drushel: Yep, all the gamers are using 64MB VRAM or higher now. hlm: that is just to make you stay up to date with computers Rich Drushel: Win98 is the last MS product I will put on a PC that I own. hlm: I am considering going backwards... I loved 2nd edition jury is still out on ME, but I am SURE I will NEVER install XP Rich Drushel: Not since you can only install it once. hlm: ME is on this system but I think I liked 2nd edition better than anything Rich Drushel: Get your CDs of it before XP debuts; everything else will disappear for good then. hlm: that is not fair.. they got scams going on now ripping of folks for passwords etc I seen it on the net somewhere somebody must of cracked Mr gates security already Rich Drushel: The ugly rumor I have heard about XP is: they have on purpose left lots of dangerous internet ports open for abuse. hlm: I will just do like I did berore I had a 386 for YEARS, till I got caught up in high tech Rich Drushel: Once the abusers start abusing, MS will use this as an excuse to say, "See, these open standards are unsafe. But MS will provide a new, safe (and totally proprietary) way to do networking."
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changed username to HLM Rich Drushel: Your screen stopped updating? In Netscape? HLM: see we talked about IE5.5 and it ditched me TRUTH Rich Drushel: Chairman Bill is evil... HLM: maybe I better be nice... my brouser shut down I had to re open it HLM: no Big Bill Rich Drushel: haha... HLM: I was typing that 5.5 is way worse than 5.0 and my brouser closed on me HLM: wonder does it have ESP in it and knew I was bad mouthing it :) Rich Drushel: Wait till you get a Blue Screen of Death and a message to enter your credit card number or in 15 seconds it will do FORMAT /U C: HLM: let it format.. I got it backed up on CD's even the tape was not valid... it died Rich Drushel: I've been using Macs for day-to-day work like word processing and net.access. Nobody seems to write viruses or worms for Macs. Rich Drushel: The only thing I haven't been able to use Macs for is my research programming; they're a bit too slow. Rich Drushel: With my modelling programs, the faster the CPU, the more work gets done. HLM: Mac is a better system but I never took the time to understand it Rich Drushel: Other than that, I could probably not use PCs at all--except for COLEM and ADAMEM. Rich Drushel: Mac OS X is throwing all the old Mac stuff out the window, though. Ron Mitchell gripes incessantly about it. HLM: last I heard the I MAC or whatever was supposed to be the best of both worlds Rich Drushel: I don't have any OS X machines, so I don't know for sure. Rich Drushel: Well, the Mac is a more "closed" system. Not as much low-level info available as for PCs. Rich Drushel: So Apple is frequently the only source for stuff; sort of a "company store" mentality. HLM: I almost bought one thinking I would have a pure genuine MAC and CLONE in one system... maybe I was wrong Rich Drushel: Well, maybe from an end-user standpoint. Rich Drushel: I wouldn't recommend a Mac to be a hacker learning platform, because there's too much stuff that (by design) you can't do. Rich Drushel: "You aren't supposed to know this, so we won't tell you." HLM: well I don't have the programming skills as you, but from the end user, that is what I thought HLM: or the advertisment I should say HLM: OH where can I get a P/S for a think pad... and don't say IBM Rich Drushel: If all you want is a graphical interface to running programs, a Mac might work for you. They seem to be more stable than Windows PCs. Rich Drushel: Hmmm... Rich Drushel: Is it internal or external? HLM: external the little pan cake deal almost like the one Doug had and sold me, the Toshiba HLM: the end is a tiny bit larger than the one I have Rich Drushel: I take it you wanted to use the Toshiba supply for the IBM? HLM: and I don't have a P/S to compare.. the think pad I have I never had a P/S for it HLM: tried but no go... the pin is too small Rich Drushel: Rats, if you knew that the specs were right, you could always put a new plug on it to fit the IBM. HLM: think pad has a yellow circle around the pin the Toshiba has a black ring if it makes a difference Rich Drushel: Maybe IBM has a tech specs website? Rich Drushel: Just to ask, how much does IBM want for a replacement power supply? HLM: maybe will check the junk bins at the next computer show first HLM: maybe RS knows they got all kinds of different ends if voltage is the same HLM: Never called, didn't want to be insulted Rich Drushel: I imagine that the power supply is AC, and that all the regulator circuits are inside the laptop. HLM: the whole laptop only cost a $100. HLM: yes, probably so... Rich Drushel: The Mac laptops we have in the lab, I can't remember what voltage they put out, but it's AC. HLM: I may search the net. Rich Drushel: Does the laptop have any power requirement specs on a sticker or on the case, etc.? Rich Drushel: Or something which would indicate it's AC or DC (like a picture showing center pin +, which would mean DC)? HLM: I have not really looked just had it about a week I will have to go downstairs later and check gotta take my spy glass it is probably real tiny if it is Rich Drushel: Probably molded in black on a black case. HLM: No I remember a silver grey label on it it may be there with the model and serial numbers HLM: it is a older 233 pent HLM: but newer that the 166 I got from Doug HLM: but much better than the old black and white 286 I had Rich Drushel: If I could ever find a cheap Pentium laptop with nice active-matrix color screen, I'd probably put ADAMem on it and use it as a portable ADAM development system. Rich Drushel: But I only keep coming across 286 luggables... HLM: if you have no objections to one off the "STREETS" I could probably find you one Rich Drushel: Yeah, but how did it get to the "STREETS"? HLM: or if I get the think pad working I will sell you the 166 P doug sold me for the same thing or less if interested HLM: I DON'T ASK Rich Rich Drushel: haha HLM: but the 166 is LEGAL it came from Doug Rich Drushel: You might be interested to know that we finally had to pitch that big B&W U-matic VCR when we moved back into our renovated lab space. Rich Drushel: We got our broken color Sony fixed, finally, and didn't have any more room for the big one. Rich Drushel: So, it made a loud clang as it went into the dumpster. HLM: I know it broke your heart Rich Drushel: Somewhere I saved the bit of video tape that was in it from when it had been "acquired". It looked like a heart catheterization. Rich Drushel: We did use it fairly regularly at one point, when we were without grant $$$ to get the other one fixed. Rich Drushel: Now, the people filming slugs put it straight on digital videotape. HLM: the units are so small now I want to get a go video deck that does DVD's/CD's and VHS all in one Rich Drushel: They probably make them, too. HLM: seen one on one of the shopping channels HLM: once I ever put this capture card in my system I GUESS I can put VHS on CD's Rich Drushel: Yes. I'm not real sure about the longterm stability of CD-Rs, though. HLM: the DVD / rw's are too expensive sitll HLM: think they are gonna loose quality or what Rich Drushel: We had a HD backup of a decommissioned (read: trashed) computer on CD-R. With no "mishandling" at all, it got scratched, and was unreadable. Rich Drushel: The top surface, where the printing is on a normal CD, is just a little foil layer. Rich Drushel: Lucky for us, I had made a local copy of the whole CD onto another HD because I needed the info, so we didn't lose the data. HLM: then it seems that it is not readable on all systems I sometimes have problems with CD's GK done on his sysem, kinda like floppies I guess sometimes it works sometimes it don't Rich Drushel: I really wish that magneto-optical disks had taken off...most of my research data from the last 8 years is on MO disks, and the oldest ones read and write just like new. HLM: GK has a HP I have sanyo I think Rich Drushel: But they cost $5 apiece instead of $0.50 for blank CD-Rs. HLM: well it is worth it if it works Rich Drushel: Zip and Jaz disks are notoriously unreliable, too. HLM: I pay 30 bux for Sony Tapes 6gig Rich Drushel: The only proven ways to store information for thousands of years are stone tablets :-) HLM: supposidly 10 gig but I never get much more that 6 HLM: YEA RIGHT and included is the tow motor to lift them Rich Drushel: Looking at the clock...I need to go cut the grass before supper. Joan is working, so I will have to cook. HLM: OK nice chatting and I will remember to drop a check in your mail box for Z's dinner... When I go to Home Depot again Rich Drushel: No hurry, I haven't even thought of it...just sent out the credit card bill which had the ADAMcon rooms on it. Rich Drushel: The food, banner, shirts, etc. were on last months. HLM: ok got company commig so let me get ready and will chat again Rich Drushel: Credit rating people will like me, 'cause it was all paid on time :-) HLM: I KNOW Rich Drushel: Nice to talk to you Herman...so long for today. HLM: bye
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