Rich Drushel: I'm all alone! Nobody remembered. I did send out an E-mail when I logged in. Rich Drushel: Let the record show that I was hear. Nyah! Rich Drushel: haha! Rich Drushel: <test of Send Message> Rich Drushel: 3:26 and the chat is empty.
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changed username to BobSlopsema BobSlopsema: DR D !!!!! Rich Drushel: Hi Bob. Rich Drushel: Was almost about to call it a day... BobSlopsema: had to see if anyone here, almost missed it myself! BobSlopsema: did you happen to........... Rich Drushel: I sent out an E-mail when I logged in, but you probably didn't get it 'cause Dale probably hasn't updated the mailing list. Rich Drushel: I promise I'll dig it out tonight and scan it, honest Injun. BobSlopsema: find the note I sent you in the Addictus envelope about copying the pnals again for that tape maker???
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changed username to Ron BobSlopsema: THE mighty one!!!!! Rich Drushel: So I think I know where the box with your article is. Ron: hey! Rich Drushel: Hi Ron. Ron: Hi guys Ron: wha's new BobSlopsema: got a nimi winnie up and working .....sort of BobSlopsema: mini Rich Drushel: Glad to hear that your ADAMserve is working on the MIB2, Ron. Ron: semi-mini-winnie BobSlopsema: putting hd cards together from parts and 95% success Rich Drushel: Describe "sort of", Bob. Ron: right. Your fix was dead on BobSlopsema: tlked w aHerman afor about 1 1/2 hrs l;ast night as he walked us thru setu[ BobSlopsema: had errors, then no errors ...had it working last night BobSlopsema: today, no soap BobSlopsema: formatting it agian , putting in system and then the puter locks up.... Ron: I got one like that. Don't know if it's the Minnie Winnie controller card or the MFM drives I'm using Rich Drushel: Formatting on what, a PC? BobSlopsema: rerpbbot and get this crazy noise.......video pr9ob maybe Rich Drushel: (That was what Herman liked to do for debugging.) Ron: finally gave up and decided to use ADAMserve BobSlopsema: was pc mfm formatted and working BobSlopsema: formatting it on the ADAM BobSlopsema: with HDINSTALL.COM Ron: yup, that's what ya do BobSlopsema: I am thinking it is the mfm drive Rich Drushel: What was the source of the MW boards? Ron: and does it format? Ron: Big John BobSlopsema: 'cept that my ADAM went south and it appears to be the video; not the hd or cards or 80 col Ron: that's the trouble with this stuff now. Ya have to be really creative at troubleshooting Ron: The one I'm using (same one as you gave the patch for) is my original 1984 ADAM Rich Drushel: I asked about the boards because Herman had told me that everything he knew of that was good was gone. Rich Drushel: I think I got the last MW HD system from them that they had back in 1991. BobSlopsema: this one came thru Bob Blair in Fl;orida BobSlopsema: question...... Ron: I believe that they were a special 'build' that John Lingrell arranged. Ron: That's where mine came from anyway....direct from him BobSlopsema: where and what is the chip in the ADAM that acn not be duplicated ????? Rich Drushel: It is U7 on the bottom (logic) boardd. Rich Drushel: oops, board. Rich Drushel: It is 1983's version of a PAL. Rich Drushel: But it isn't programmable; it was custom-fabricated. BobSlopsema: meaning that the chip cannot even be found...... Rich Drushel: It was never a standard part. Rich Drushel: It was designed only for the ADAM. Rich Drushel: Someone smarter than me could probably figure out what it does, and what equivalent TTL logic chips could be used to build it. BobSlopsema: just EXACTLY what happens when the video board flaks out??????? Ron: is there any paper on it? BobSlopsema: no pic, just fuzz, and loud buzzing noise????? Ron: unhook that right away Bob. Something's in backwards Ron: I know that buzz Rich Drushel: There is a block diagram of the ADAM design in the ADAM Technical Manual which shows arrows in and out of the chip. Ron: so you'd have to reverse engineer Rich Drushel: The names correspond to labelled pins on the ADAM logic board schematic. BobSlopsema: heck no Ron......this is the ADAM I have been using for 5 years, last night I was going to copy some disks Ron: And you didn't remove and replace anything? BobSlopsema: whilest on the phone w/ Herman and it just made a screechy noise an no pic Rich Drushel: You didn't short any exposed boards with a screwdriver, wristwatch etc.? BobSlopsema: just turnid it on (my personal computer) Ron: Mine used to do that when the Mini Winnie Controller wasn't properly seated Rich Drushel: Try pulling the MW interface cable from the game board and just put a Z80 back into the socket. Rich Drushel: See if that makes it work just as an ADAM. Ron: Damn thing used to jump socket when it was moved Rich Drushel: If so, the game board is okay. BobSlopsema: no,. no no.....this is NOT the mini winnie machine!!! this is my personal ide hd machine, untouched by girls, cooties and the like Rich Drushel: Oh. Rich Drushel: Hmm. Ron: ok.... sorry. We were off track Rich Drushel: Try reseating the ribbon cable connector between the 2 boards? Rich Drushel: One of my ADAMcon XIII systems went flakey that way (just as it had at home, and got rejiggled in transit to the hotel). Ron: connectors. Gotta be a connector somewhere\ Ron: brb BobSlopsema: no havent gone that far Rich Drushel: This wasn't a system which had been opened up recently, I presume.
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changed username to HLM BobSlopsema: notr since moving it to AC09 and back HLM: Hello all Rich Drushel: Hi Herman. BobSlopsema: HI HErmen!!! Ron: back Rich Drushel: Well, if I had the system, Bob, I would have to open it up to start troubleshooting...so open 'er up and try reseating the interboard connector. Ron: Hi Herman Ron: we have "The Case of the Noisy ADAM" BobSlopsema: just traded a bottom w/ guts onto the top holding tht hd unit BobSlopsema: HERMAN!!!!!! BobSlopsema: wake upt son......... HLM: Yes Robert BobSlopsema: got that mioni wimmie up last night but no joy todfay BobSlopsema: gets locked up makes very wierd noise, etc Ron: (says he, feeding his iMac keyboard more cookie crumbs) Rich Drushel: Isn't she a hula dancer? HLM: what.... You just need to talk to it Rich Drushel: We're getting an iMac for the robot lab, Ron. Ron: aha! Progress HLM: give it some WD 40 it will be fine HLM: where is it hanging Ron: at powerup HLM: must of wiped out block Zero somehow... Rich Drushel: We already determined that a USB-to-serial converter will talk to the robot boards from a G3 blue&white. Rich Drushel: Now the only question is MacOS X... Rich Drushel: Have you seen that MacOS 9.2.1 update is out? HLM: Robert ??????
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They said to disable one of the control panels, then all would be well Ron: USB device extension, I think Rich Drushel: That Connextix QuickCam I had at ADAMcon XIII only works under <=8.6, though. Ron: only trouble with that was then my mouse didn't work Rich Drushel: USB mouse on the toy keyboard, right? HLM: well some of the OLD or FIRST hd's seemed to need to be parked or something if Zero keeps leaving Rich Drushel: And no ADB port option, either. Ron: So I finally wrote Belkin an e-mail, and they sent me a driver that works on 9.1 all the time Rich Drushel: Hey, that was nice of them. Ron: yeah, they actually responded Rich Drushel: Connectix sold their QuickCam stuff to Logitech, and Logitech can't be bothered with non-USB anything. Ron: sorry. We're interrupting the troubleshooting effort here Ron: yeah well that's the way it's getting these days Ron: I'm really t'd off with Apple for not providing more legacy support with OS X Ron: but looking at it from their point of view Ron: it takes some real gymnastics around here some nights to get something printed HLM: no Bob is probably trying different s... then reporting back Rich Drushel: Does MacOS X support AppleTalk? Ron: Now have an OS X freebie from Thursby called Dave. It looks like I can at least ship files via the ether to my P200 BobSlopsema: rebooted mfm and is reformatting right now Ron: It say it supports Appletalk, Rich, but I'm not sure Rich Drushel: Freebie now? It used to cost $500 when we wanted to mount Winxx stuff a few years ago. HLM: ok Ron: although my LC475 can see the iMac, so it must be working half Ron: but iMac can't see the LC475 HLM: Dougie Fresh still there with you Rich Drushel: It may only support AppleTalk over IP. Ron: read somewhere that the wayOS X is set up, there is something missing Rich Drushel: And you need MacOS 9.x to get AppleTalk over IP. Ron: yes, I have to tell the LC475 the iMac IP address then it connects Rich Drushel: Yep, that's the problem. Ron: and I do have an old Stylewiter on the LC475, so if worst comes to worst...I put the files to be printed there Rich Drushel: And my super LaserWriter Pro here has serial, parallel, and ethernet, but doesn't support IP. Rich Drushel: So I can only use it via LocalTalk. Ron: always some damn thing Rich Drushel: The ethernet part is for native AppleTalk only. Ron: And my Mac Dealer goes, "so what's your problem" you can used your network eh? Ron: or buy a new USB printer Rich Drushel: Well, the printer was free, and in super shape, and it was headed to the dumpster... Ron: to which I reply...that's easy for you to say Ron: now it has a home Ron: Suppose one of these days I should have a new USB printer Rich Drushel: The Epson Color Stylus 880 I got is a nice $175 printer, USB and parallel, and it works in line printer mode (for ADAM). BobSlopsema: sell yaone cheap Ron... ;-) Rich Drushel: Get onee while you can... HLM: I had problems getting a USB printer to work on my Nephews system... it was a HP, printer, and Emachine Computer Ron: Yeah, that's the one I been looking at Ron: and OS X has driver for it BobSlopsema: got a HP APOLLO which doesn't want ot interface correctly with the laptop in 95 or even 98 HLM: that is the beast He had I think Rich Drushel: The construction is cheezy-thin plastic, though, not rugged at all, and the nameplate is just a clear sticker. BobSlopsema: Herman, what are known problems with mini winnie hd interface????? just locked up most of the thru formatting Rich Drushel: Bob, you said it formatted okay under DOS? Ron: did you get any indication that it started formatting Bob? Ron: like hex numbers changing or rolling over? HLM: if MINI WINI Interface is KNOW to work, the interface is SELDOM the problem... It is usually cables, or game board or interferance from something else BobSlopsema: we checked it under dos on a 386 or 286 Rich Drushel: I'm being reminded that we're expecting a phone call from Christina soon; she was away at a soccer game and will be needing to be picked up. Ron: and it was ok right? Rich Drushel: So, I better get off the phone, guys. Rich Drushel: Thanks for stopping by...hope the MW HD situation improves. Ron: Ok Rich. Thanks again for the fix info on the ADAMserve boot Rich Drushel: <poof> HLM: ok Bye Rich
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