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changed username to BobS rich-c: right on time, I see - hi bob BobS: Hi Richard BobS: got nothin to do this week rich-c: finished your snow shovelling yet? BobS: no snow yet BobS: supposed to come after midnight and then tomorrow BobS: and NOT nice either rich-c: oh, I thought the load that dumped on Chicago would have been in your lap some time ago rich-c: it is supposed to arrive here in three hours BobS: nope,. staying south for now BobS: naw.......later for you! BobS: it is on the state line and 50miles north so far rich-c: and it's welcome to stay south all it wants BobS: and moving north rich-c: northeast, actually, that's why it's only supposed to sideswipe us BobS: tonight I got a dead screen cannot dispaly, then refreshed and got on to Dales site BobS: wierd rich-c: they think we might get off with 2 to 4 inches
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changed username to George BobS: well at least we arte here!!!! rich-c: hi George, is it snowing in Philly? BobS: HIYA George George: hello everyone BobS: snow???????? BobS: naw BobS: Philly is going to stay clear all winter rich-c: oh, down there by tidewater they've been having a real load this winter BobS: heck Shcicago only had 2-3" until this storm George: i don't know it's wet now rich-c: yes, you midwesterners have been getting off as easy as us rich-c: we had freezing rain overnight, coated the truck, but not much really George: we need the rain rich-c: but now the groceries are in, the garbage is out, and we can hibernate for the next 48 hours BobS: HAH, we skinned by with NUTHIN rich-c: don't worry, Bob, your turn will come rich-c: although come to think of it, you had a few dustings in December that we escaped George: PA is about to issue a water emergency rich-c: strange how it works - you'll remember Buffalo had a record snowfall last month rich-c: you can see Buffalo from the top of our CN Tower, but we stayed dry BobS: Buffalo adn US were both all lake effect snow, not a torm rich-c: PA is actually that deep in drought? George: the water levels here are the lowest ever BobS: well, if we get much more lake effect, we will be in a drought too... BobS: the lake levels are already ata an altime low rich-c: but all winter we've been seeing big snowstorms up and down the east coast on tv George: missing PA rich-c: yes, I've noticed teh problem on the Great Lakes rich-c: of course Lake Ontario doesnt suffer because of the St. Lawrence hydro dams rich-c: that's going to play hell with the plantings at Longwood Gardens, George George: no plantings rich-c: get them to ship you some clouds in from the Poconos - it's always raining there! George: thats where most of our water comes from but the levels are down rich-c: but this warm weather really is making life difficult some places rich-c: our ski areas are doing well because they live on lake effect snow BobS: we will take ALL the warmth we can get BobS: the ski areas here are dying on the vine rich-c: and with very little freezing of the lakes the slopes ae getting buried rich-c: but Ottawa is losing the key feature of Winterlude because the Rideau Canal hasn't frozen yet
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changed username to Scott rich-c: hi Scott BobS: hi Scott Scott: Helllllloooo BobS: awful lot of OOOOOO Scott: Rich - I will burn a CD and bring those files from work this weekend. rich-c: what kind of graphics adapter are you using, George?
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: OK Scott let me know when it's done so I can delete them
changed username to Judy Scott: I am heading up a project along with the head of Good Deal Games to remanufacture ColecoVision plastic casings. rich-c: hi Judy and welcome Judy: Hello, all Scott: It looks like Telegames USA is going to do it for us.
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Scott confirmed ban BobS: undefined is gone!!!! BobS: was Judy the first time Scott: They require a minimum run of 3,000. rich-c: what's the object of that, Scott? BobS: t4elgames is going to do what?????? BobS: make the cases for you???? Scott: We have people wanting to release new games for the ColecoVision/ADAM Scott: Myself included. George: i had a rage 2c and i got microsoft train simulator for my birthday i tried to run it and it messed up the screen Scott: Two new games are on the way BobS: ah, George, Bill G strikes againk,eh? Scott: One is unnamed and Good Deal Games is holding a contest to name it. Scott: The other is Cosmic Fighter 3, which is complete. rich-c: there's a market for thousands of copies of new Colecovision games? Where? Scott: Common, rich. George: i had to put in nvidia riva tnt2 Scott: Games will be in a limited edition run of about 100 rich-c: that's what, about 32 MB? Scott: I have commitments from GDG and other developers for about 300 of the 3,000 casings (10%) rich-c: who's going to burn the ROMs? Scott: No -- multicarts can be larger than the 32K limit George: 32 mb video mem Scott: John Dodzilla, and probrably myself rich-c: sorry - I was commenting to George Scott: My dad has the hardware rich-c: ROM burners don't seem that rare anymore; I was just curious Scott: Multicarts can be a few megabytes large by swapping banks. rich-c: I think you have the same nVidia card I do, George Scott: I need to find other individuals who would be willing to purchase a small lot of casings. rich-c: yes, but do 8-bit console games need megabytes? George: it's switching to all burners Scott: 10, 25, 50, 100... Scott: I have contacted Dale to see if he'd be interested. Scott: This manufacturing ensures future game releases. rich-c: I get the feeling that Telegames price isn't too friendly Scott: John Dodzilla has been wanting to give his customers cartridge versions rather than referring them to the ROMs Scott: It will be 6000-9000 bucks Scott: Ouch rich-c: don't know John, gather he operates a gamer's shop Scott: So I'm seeing who's interested in going in with me on a few casings, even just a few. Scott: This manufacturing ensures future game releases. rich-c: maybe Scott you should see if some plastics fabricator can't offer a better deal Scott: It seems that there are quite a few programmers still interested in the ColecoVision/ADAM rich-c: I'm also surprised that Telegames didn't talk about handling any games you produce themselves Scott: $2-3 per case is about the best that you're going to find
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changed username to Judy Scott: I asked, but they didn't seem interested.
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moved to room Meeting Place Scott: Besides, another guy has some cartridge boards already manufactured. rich-c: Be careful - that may be telling you something rich-c: evenijng, Guy
changed username to james Guy B.: Greetings everyone! BobS: HI guy and James!!!! james: hi rich-c: how's your snowstorm doing? rich-c: and good morning, james BobS: Scott, have you been in toucj with Daniel Beun....in France ata ll??????? Scott: Mike at GDG gets a lot of hits and the unreleased games that they've released thus far have done well. Scott: No, but he's another I need to talk to. Guy B.: We have some Winter Storm warnings out for some counties, but not here. It's snowing pretty good out here. BobS: he has some games he wrote, and needs to knwo how to put them into ADAMem....... Scott: Hi there Guy! james: unreleased games? Guy B.: HI Scott. rich-c: seems like everyone's on the edge of this one BobS: BUT, the lastest one is in french....... rich-c: let's all go out and blow the storm south - George says Philly is in a water crisis Judy: the wind is blowing but that is all here George: now please Guy B.: Got about an inch now, last night we were looking at 6-12 inches, but I wonder what we may get now? Find out later on the news. james: my guess is that we got your snow.. rich-c: james, when Scott getws the lead out, there will be a complete list of all the original Coleco games on his site james: cool. james: i've forgotten something at the classroom. i'll be right back. BobS: but, but does not Telegames have rights to some of those???? rich-c: also a printable Colecovion ad brochure, and overlays for a dozen games (joystick) George: somebody took my snow for good Guy B.: Now that's good. Then we can print those overlays off our inkjet printers. BobS: does Telgames actually have the rights. or are they just bullying on most rights?????? rich-c: yes, I scanned them in at 300 dp so they should print out real neat George: they don't have them all BobS: to here them tell it, they are the only game intown Scott: I'm back Guy B.: They are selling some Coleco games on CD-Rom for Win95/98. rich-c: Bob, I believe that Telegames did buy the rights to a lot, but certainly not all Scott: Had to download a file rich-c: of course they are not letting on which they bought and which not George: what about atari soft? BobS: I think that is most of ther case Guy B.: I believe Hasbro bought the rights to Atari when they went out. Scott: Those Coleco CD games are kinda a joke Scott: AdamEm is better Scott: And free Scott: Not too hard to find the ROMs... rich-c: remember not all of the original game owners were willing to sell to them George: i like centipede Guy B.: I downloaded a demo of it, but your right. You can use AdamEm and it works just as well. Scott: Spy Hunter is my all time favorite Scott: As is Fortune Builder rich-c: yes, Hasbro has a CD of Atari games, including an emulator - runs under DOS and is reputedly very cranky Guy B.: Classicgaming.com is one site I know that has Colecovision roms. Scott: Ligia just translated the two manuals into Spanish George: and burgertime Scott: Will be adding them to the site once I get things squared away with AT&T Scott: Those idiots... Scott: Yes, the joy that was BurgerTime rich-c: no, more bloated capitalist exploiters, haven't found out they aren't a monopoly any more Scott: Anyways, Mike at GDG released some unreleased Sega CD games. rich-c: how much web space do you have available, Scott? Scott: They just now sold enough copies to break even Scott: Got a total of 60 MB shared between six accounts Scott: What I have up so far is only 4MB Guy B.: That's alot of space there! Scott: Yeah, it's nice and fast. Scott: Cable modems are nice. George: i drove an aoltech crazy when i told him i wanted a version of aol for ADAM rich-c: nice, but outrageously pricey Scott: I am moving my site to http://home.attbi.com/~the.adam.resource Scott: $35 per month isn't too shabby rich-c: oh, george, I'd have loved to be a fly on the wall when you had that conversation! Scott: Modem only cost $100. Scott: Or was that $150. Guy B.: DSL is way pricey too and not available everywhere. It's not here in my area. rich-c: soon as you do and it's up, Scott, send it around the list so we can bookmark it George: he had to close the line Scott: It's up. Guy B.: Rich where have you been? Scott had it up just before the new year. rich-c: good, then send itaround the list
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changed username to Neil Scott: Yes, visit http://home.attbi.com/~the.adam.resource Guy B.: HI Neil Scott: It's up. rich-c: oh, I thought that represented a subtle change in the URL rich-c: hello Neil Neil: Hi all. Scott: Try to see if you can get to it Scott: Hi Neil rich-c: where's your kid brother these nights? BobS: Hi Neil Judy: Hi, Neil rich-c: I could when I tried a couple of nights ago, Scott Neil: Well, he was at the MTAG meeting on Saturday night, but I haven't talked to him since. BobS: oh oh, slow tonight here rich-c: how are Gill and Jeff doing? Guy B.: Updated my bookmark to Scott's site. Scott: Updates will begin on the site once I finalize the move Scott: But that's probrably going to be the final address Judy: Is the baby keeping them up too much? Neil: They seem to be doing fine, but they weren't quite adventurous enough to come to the meeting :) Neil: Judy, you know babies -- they always keep you up ... Scott: AT&T screwed up and cancelled my account, BTW Guy B.: How did that happen? rich-c: well, Jeff is a little young for computers yet - give him another month or two Neil: actually, though, Jeff is very good from all reports. Scott: And the names that I had picked out for myself and The ADAM Resource are stuck in that account Scott: And I can't have them back Scott: So I'm waiting for AT&T to release the old names. Scott: Like I said, AT&T are a bunch of morons. Judy: that is for sure even in the daytime rich-c: you'd think they'd been raiding the government for staff Guy B.: I'm now have using Windows 2000 Professional at work. I got the new system today and made a little mistake the first time I got it up. rich-c: by the way, just in case - would anyone have any use for a 486DX33 motherboard? BobS: make a 66 out of it rich-c: you want to try, it's yours BobS: take it with you this summer Neil: The community centre is threatening again to start charging us $100 a night or something like that, but I think we've talked them into a Senior's examption again until Spring at least. Scott: Well guys, gotta go study my Cisco rich-c: or, I'll pull it out and toss the case Scott: I'm in Semester 3 now, which means I've got a lot more work BobS: little Doug says......any 33 can go 66 with a new chip...maybe faster Guy B.: See you Scott. Don't wear yourself out. rich-c: OK Scott, do answer my email questions soon, OK? Scott: Glad I got the chance to sell you what's up. BobS: ok Scott keep us informed eh??? Scott: OK. Scott: Will get around to it this weekend. Scott: Fewer distractions without the playoffs. BobS: take the case and all Rich BobS: it is not an HP, Packard bell or compaq is it? Scott: Will get those overlays up, Rich.
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changed username to Vorpal Blade BobS: hiya Balde Guy B.: I have a P75 sitting here that I may turn it into a DOS machine for Adamserve. BobS: blade rich-c: looks like Dr. D. is with us Guy B.: Hi there VB. BobS: that' Vorpal Blade: Snicker-snack. BobS: s an idea Guy Judy: hello, Dr D
Vorpal Blade changed username to Rich Drushel Rich Drushel: Hi all, Elanor was using the computer for homework. rich-c: they're feeling snarky in Cleveland tonight Guy B.: Has two serial ports. One for the mouse and the other for Adamserve. Rich Drushel: Just galumphing about here. Guy B.: Hey Dr. D you pulled a good one on us. BobS: ya dat would work Guy Guy B.: Any snow by you there Rich D? Rich Drushel: None. Green as a bean here. BobS: don't know if you need a 25 or 9 pin on the ibm. RICH D....??????? Rich Drushel: Any serial port will do. Guy B.: Right now, I'm thinking of taking the two floppy drives out and putting in two 360K drives. BobS: COOL! BobS: good move guy Guy B.: It has Win95 now, but I have another hard drive with DOS 6.22 on it, so I can make the change there. rich-c: to explain - the neighbour kids found a 486 is the garbage over the weekend rich-c: they pulled the stuff they could use and passed it on to me Rich Drushel: What's left? rich-c: I got the motherboard, i/o board, Trident video board, and 5-1/4 floppy rich-c: I'll keep the floopy but the other is up for grabs Rich Drushel: Would work as a floppy system. Rich Drushel: Hard to find ISA HD cards (or working HDs, for that matter) these days. Guy B.: I have a Trident ISA VGA board if anyone needs one. rich-c: well, the I/O card seems to have floppy and IDE HD pin sets, and I'm pretty certain it's ISA BobS: save it guy and bring it to convention. we take ALL old parts Rich Drushel: I have an IBM CGA board :-) Guy B.: OK, will do. rich-c: the kids pulled a 540 MB hard disc out of it BobS: no cga stuff though james: hey, i'm back. BobS: ......although I got some cga monitors rich-c: welcome back, james Rich Drushel: Boo, I might have one of those lying about here from a dead system of my Dad's. james: thanks ;) my seti@home client over at the school was going idle. BobS: welcome back james!!!!! james: thanks bob. how have you been? BobS: great, and you??? Guy B.: I have a VGA monitor too. Rich Drushel: SETI's having hard times these days, Berkely throttled their bandwidth, and now people can't hardly connect to upload completed work units. Guy B.: An Extra one that is. james: keeping busy and broke buying baby stuff. BobS: and how's thigns going????? rich-c: right, won't be long now, will it? BobS: the broke part is permanent james: yeah, i noticed. i'm going to have to write either a little prog or some kind of batch file to buffer james: a few units and try to connect to send the completed ones every now and again. james: baby is due march 27th rich-c: that's about eight weeks, no time at all james: i can't be getting up at 4 a.m. to check my seti client ;) BobS: better start pointing the room now Guy B.: That's not too far away. How's she doing so far? james: exactly. we may visit my parents in june. it'll have been over a year since i've seen my family. james: miyuki is doing well but i thinnk she'll be glad to have the baby out of her! Guy B.: I bet your looking forward to your first one? rich-c: strictly Ottawa on this trip, or will you be stopping eklsewhere? james: we may make a one day layover in vancouver. it's a pretty gruelling trip to do it all in one shot Judy: yes, James this is the time it starts getting tiring james: it's usually about 28 hours from the time we leave our house here to the time we get to my parents' place james: miyuki's been sleeping alot lately and i'm not one to deny her that :) BobS: OUCH, that is aone LONG time from house to hosue Rich Drushel: Speaking of sleep...I hate to run, but me too... rich-c: yes, 28 hours airborne is just too bloody much james: yes, it's a very arduous trip. james: well "only" 17 of those hours are airborne Rich Drushel: Days have been starting at 5 AM for a long stretch here...including tomorrow. Rich Drushel: So, g'nite all. james: ouch. i don't do mornings. never could. rich-c: OK, take it easy, Dr.D - see you james: good night!
Rich Drushel left chat session Judy: bye Rich, sleep well Guy B.: Bye Dr. D. BobS: see ya Rich BobS: and he's GONE BobS: James, 17 hours is about 12 too many Guy B.: He leaves mighty quick. james: it's worse flying into canada then out. flying out there's only about a 1 hour layover in vancouver. BobS: ya james: flying in, it's a gruesome 4.5 hours. rich-c: ouch, with that you might as well take a longer break and later flight BobS: well......you get to have some stretch time. some relaxed meal time, a quick nap sitting upright.... james: we normally go all the way in one shot but i think this time, we'll all be pretty cranky and tired by the time we get to vancouver. james: a 5 hour layover is about 3 hours too long. BobS: that's for sure rich-c: although with the security paranoia now you may need it james: speaking of the west coast, where's ron? james: true. rich-c: oh, he'll likely show up sooner or later rich-c: pity you can't get a tokyo-Toronto direct, james Guy B.: I hope he comes on soon. I have a question for him on the Mac Performa I have sitting in my kitchen. rich-c: there's hourly flights up to Ottawa james: oh i can, but to get from my place to tokyo would actually cost alot more and would end up taking longer. rich-c: oh, my cursor crony in Phoenix is talking about replacing his Performa james: there's a nagoya or tokyo to ottawa direct flight. or there used to be.. james: not sure if it still exists but i'd be willing to go to tokyo instead of osaka if it gets me directly into ottawa. rich-c: gather you haven't booked yet rich-c: how old does a baby have to be before they'll let him fly? james: no, we're going to wait until after the baby is born. never know what will happen. want things to be going smoothly for at least a few weeks before we commit. james: no age limit as far as i know. rich-c: trouble is, you lose that advance booking discounts james: every flight i've been on so far has had at least two crying babies over the whole 17 hour stretch :( rich-c: maybe you'd better check - you may have noticed flying is stressful james: well we're flying in june so i'm hoping to book something in april. not quite advance but we should be able to get an okay price. BobS: I would think so James Judy: that is a long time to hear crying babies rich-c: wonder if the airlines will still be hungry for passengers by then? BobS: think so Rich.......IF we had not booked for Fl already, we would drive I think.....security takes a lot of hassle BobS: BUT, flying is faster.......... rich-c: depends on how far you're going james: especially from japan. BobS: so, just make the best of the hassles and fly I guess rich-c: these days it takes a fairly long hop to beat a train downtown to downtown james: i'm used to it by now. rich-c: not used, james, hardened, perhaps? james: probably james: brb, heard someone come in downstairs. rich-c: you thinking of flying JAL or AC? james: either or. i only know what i won't be flying. james: and that's northworst. no way. rich-c: sounds like you've had bad experience with them' BobS: going northworst in Feb, got a good price.......used them in Dec and had no problems........ rich-c: that's OK, we've always done well with Air Canada, but you'd never know it to read the local papers BobS: true, it just makes a difference IF you had a bad experience or not rich-c: anyway, at least we'll be able to drive to Adamcon BobS: gotta relax and go with the flow though........when you get lemons, make lemonade!!!! james: i've never had a problem with AC but everyone i know who has flown w/ northworst was not too happy about it. BobS: BUT, the border crossings are a pain in the you know what I hear james: jal is good now that their flights are all non-smoking. james: was not impressed the first (and last) time i flew with them. rich-c: well, when we went down to Washington late September, we whistled through the border like it wasn't there rich-c: the U.S. guys did want to look in the trunk of the car james: heh. it practically isn't. BobS: good!!!!! this was AFTER the trade center thing? james: i wonder at times if canada will even exist as an independant country in 50 years. rich-c: yes, and admittedly the trunk on the Behemoth could hold a whole al-Quaeda cell BobS: heard port huron/sarnia has good backups rich-c: but then so could the trailer and they ignored that BobS: alathough depends on the time of day, the time of year. etc james: yeah, and of course a senior couple in their motor home are not likely harbouring terrorists.. rich-c: yes, even Customs can figure that out BobS: those border people got you pegged before yo know it!!!!! Judy: you don't look like a bad guy,Rich james: not impossible, but let's face it, they have a time budget and have to spend it looking where suspicion is more likely. rich-c: mind you, since both Frances and I have U.S. birth certificates, they can't give us too hard a time BobS: where is that Pamela person????? james: racial profiling or not, you have to be pragmatic. rich-c: don't know, her tv show should be over by now BobS: that's what we thought.........undependable young person anyway! rich-c: yeah, bad as Meeka, speaking of whom... BobS: right!!! BobS: Doug has strep throat, so she is prolly doctoring hiim rich-c: maybe she tried the backup site first and found Ron there - he's missing too Judy: Doug is sick so that may be why she is not on. james: i wonder if anyone is there. might not hurt to check into it.
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changed username to Pamela james: speak of the devil Pamela: Hi, all Guy B.: There she is. Hi Pam. rich-c: well, Bob, any other questions? Pamela: Oh, was someone talking about me? Judy: hi, Pam we were just wondering where you were Guy B.: We were wondering when you were coming on. rich-c: ypu, Bob was kvething 'cause you wren't here Guy B.: Now we just have to wait for the Mighty Mitchell. Pamela: Well, we can't have Bob kvetching now, can we? rich-c: oh, he's pretty expert at it - ask Judy Judy: no, it is not a pretty sight Pamela: tee hee hee james: no one over at the backup chat. just bumped into bob there doing the same thing as me. BobS: Bout time ya got here Pam!!!! Pamela: sorry Bob, things to do tonite Pamela: James, did it hurt? rich-c: like getting braced for rush hour tomorrow morning? Judy: more important than this? BobS: I got a knob on MY head....
(Guy B. smiles) BobS: and james got a brused knee Pamela: things like unpacking my suitcase and putting it away rich-c: right - how did things go in Windsor?
(BobS reboots james's computer remotely.) james: not too much pam :) Judy: ok, we will let is go this time Pamela: Finishing up the balloon so Pooh looks more normal james: i'm rather hard-headed. Pamela: Not long enough, Dad Pamela: However, Mom's purple ball was a BIG success with the toddler set rich-c: sounds like you had a good time BobS: how'd your trip to the big city of Windsor go Pam????? Judy: are you still working on that? Pamela: Yes i am Judy Pamela: However, have been working steadily and should have it done shortly james: windsor, is that a suburb of toronto yet? BobS: close james Pamela: Not quite James but we're working on it rich-c: not till next week, james Judy: that is ok, I have not finished anything much myself james: maybe we'll just annex detroit too :) BobS: there is about a 5 mile stretch on country in between Pamela: Need a bullet train to get from here to there faster Judy: I am doing to much babysitting rich-c: naw, it's too cold up north there james: heh heh. Pamela: have you got multiples Judy, or just one? rich-c: but don't suggest things like that, james - the Yanks might make us take it! james: hee hee. Pamela: but what do they want in trade, that's the question BobS: GEORGE....WAKE UP, been awful quiet lately Judy: that is a good question, some of both BobS: and you too Guy james: we visited some friends of ours in windsor and went to the casion. George: sorry i'm watching the news james: oops. casino BobS: OK, that's acceptable james: the only ontario plated car there was ours. Pamela: It's very popular Judy: Ryan has been sick so I had him most, and Sherri worked an extra day so then I had two rich-c: don't know qabout yours but didn't seem to be much news here tonight Pamela: Brings a lot of American business in to the city Judy: but not all three more than a couple of hours james: yeah, there were plates from arizona, ohio, lots of michigan plates of course Pamela: Judy, have you considered opening your own day care and getting paid for this? George: we might get some icy stuff tonight Pamela: they Pamela: 're threatening everyone north of Texas with it George rich-c: don't complain, george, when it melts it's good as rain George: yes rich-c: in fact since it goes away slowly it has more time to sink in Pamela: Speaking of tourists, believe it or not on the way down we saw two motorhomes and someone towing a trailer Judy: I do get paid when I have Sherri's boys, but I don't want to do it full time, isn't that a joke George: we were lucky so far BobS: and why, my dear, is that unbelieveable???????? Pamela: In January no less rich-c: well we've had a record warm winter - there are actually daffodil shoots coming up in our garden Pamela: Only campground that's open is the one in Milton Guy B.: Looks quite heavy here. Got close to 3 inches now. Pamela: you're getting snow already, Guy? George: i would like to see some regular snow though Judy: my carnations in a planter have not died yet BobS: snow is just moving into our county from the south...so it will be an hour or so to hit us Pamela: heck, we have lawns that are still green Guy B.: Got since 3:00 this afternoon. Going to go into tomorrow too. Judy: but I have not seen daffs yet BobS: we still got green too!!!! Pamela: lovely. I can't wait rich-c: our crocuses are smarter - they are still keeping their heads down George: we are parched here Guy B.: This storm is coming up from the south, so I bet this will get to the East coast next. rich-c: it's OK, daughter, we're only due for 2 - 4 inches Pamela: there's a place downtown (the Manulife building) that has a lawn which is manicured to the nth degree - it's still as green as it was in September rich-c: right at morning rush hours, of course Pamela: thanks for the cheery news, Dad George: we need a storm of the century here maybe two rich-c: on the radar the storm looked as if it would run from the border to the Mason-Dixon line Pamela: Actually I hope it happens early - that way we can go to the movies as planned rich-c: so you folks just might get lucky this time. George Pamela: Don't say that too loud, George Judy: I did my grocery shopping today so I don't have to go out in it tomorrow Pamela: you might get what you wish for Guy B.: This is our first major winter storm this season. After last weekend's very warm weather, we were due for one. rich-c: Pam, he told us earlier they're about to declare a water emergency BobS: and i HOPE you GET IT Guy Pamela: really? In winter? BobS: when we got 52" you got zilch rich-c: as he says, he needs a storm of the century Judy: we don't need more had more than we need already George: our last drought breakers were two hurricanes Pamela: I'm afraid that if we don't get some, we'll have the same problem Guy B.: Bob, you should have snow by now, right? rich-c: well, we got the groceries in and the garbage and recycling out, so we can just hibernate for a few days Pamela: Ah, to be retired
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changed username to Ron Ron: yo! rich-c: bout time you got here, Ron! Pamela: soitenly would be Guy B.: There he is. Hi Ron. BobS: AH, ronald the MIGHTY one Pamela: Hi, Ron Judy: Hi, Ron BobS: how ya are????? Pamela: Meeting tonite? Ron: all is well. The ground is covered with snow here on lotusland james: hey ron! BobS: WHAT????? Ron: yeah... SNOW Judy: better you than us, Ron rich-c: George says send it to him in Philly - they're having a drought Ron: imagine that Guy B.: Don't ask about me. We have a Winter Storm warning here and snowing good here. Ron: our version of reverse global warming Pamela: You must be snickering Ron - one of the few BC people who can drive in the stuff rich-c: Guy, didn't you have a question for Ron? BobS: poor George is the only one not gettign the white stuff Ron: Vancouver is a mess George: we got the sprinkles here Ron: fender bender city Pamela: why is it people forget how to drive in snow from year to year? rich-c: you'd think they'd be used to wet roads by now - they hardly have anything else Guy B.: Oh yes I do. Ron, I'm finally going to put this Mac Performa up soon. Is there a hard drive in this system? Ron: they never knew how to drive in snow... they just go out to see if they can Ron: with predictable results james: well in vancouver, it's not year to year! ;) BobS: well, the economy could use some bucking up with all the body shops George: temp dropped 28 degrees Neil: I heard that some parts of Vancouver had a foot of snow. On Tuesday, I saw someone walking around U of T wearing rubber flip-flop sandals and no socks. Ron: that' Ron: s right James Pamela: that doesn't surprise me, Neil Ron: yup Neil... they actually got more than we did Pamela: is that F or C, George? BobS: that a record or something for Vancouver????? George: we use F Neil: There was a picture in the Toronto Star yesterday of someone playing tennis wearing no shirt! Ron: well not really, but about every six years it happens rich-c: gather there's a fair snowback in the Coastal Ranges'hear they had a major mudslide (lahar) down at Mt. Ranier Judy: Well, saw someon e with shorts on last night, there are crazies everywhere Pamela: Okay, it wasn't that warm BobS: heck, here in MI they been playing golf for a few weekw Ron: we've had slides all over the province Ron: 3 skiiers killed in southeastern BC couple of days ago Neil: Judy I agree (crazies). The picture in the paper made me feel cold just looking at it. rich-c: yes, same place a Trudeau Jr. was lost Guy B.: Well folks, I'm going to check the e-mail. See you all next week. Ron: ya BobS: see ya Guy Ron: Nite Guy. Be well Pamela: g'nite Guy. Please keep your snow rich-c: see you Guy - be here Saturday? Ron: we'll send you some snow Judy: we have some people south of us that go swimming every Jan BobS: send????? as in snail mail Judy: couldn't this year insurance trouble Guy B.: Maybe, see what goes. I was asked to come into work Saturday, but I have an allergist appt. Pamela: good plan, bob - by the time we get it, it'll be rain Pamela: or evaporated Guy B.: See you all!
Guy B. left chat session rich-c: OK, maybe we'll get lucky, then. If so, see you BobS: but then it would only be a soggy box!!!! Pamela: exactly George: send us your ice bergs Ron: my sister and her boyfriend are over in Bali where it's 34 deg C. Pamela: BRB, I gotta find some socks - my feet are cold! rich-c: have to ask the folks in Newfoundland for those - and have a tug ready in the Delaware River Ron: cold feet, warm heart Ron: or was that cold hands, warm heart Ron: jube-jubes Ron: love 'em rich-c: in her apartment, I didn't think it was possible to get cold rich-c: their landlord is given to chronic overheating George: what about a hot head and cold feet? Pamela: that's cold nose, warm heart james: :) rich-c: that's more my style! Ron: could be George Pamela: and they do not, Dad - that was the last place Pamela: I can't comment on the hot-headed part rich-c: come on - last time we wre over you had the windows open - in December cold Ron: :) Pamela: well, after running the oven at 350 for four hours and putting six bodies into the place, what did you expect? Ron: Much winter in Japan James? Pamela: Even your place gets too warm then james: yes, we've been getting alot of snow this year. Ron: really! james: it's been snowing since yesterday. George: they change the windows here and put new ones in james: oh yeah, where we are we get alot. rich-c: you mean storm windows, George? Pamela: probably thermal ones, Dad james: while we may be at a 35 deg lattitude, we're up in the mountains. George: entire windows james: the altitude makes a huge difference. Ron: ok. that explains it Pamela: didn't know you were that far south, James james: we're at about 400m above sea level here. james: i think it's 35 deg. BobS: C or F ?????? Ron: our local ski resort - only 1/2 hour drive away is at 5200 feet and has several feet of snow rich-c: yes, what is it, a kilometer of altitude is like ten degress of latitude, or something? Pamela: very funny Bob BobS: 35 F is REAL comld james: 35 north! George: the new company is going to put in new doors next james: ie, 35 deg north of the equator. Pamela: I want your landlord, George BobS: and you got snow???? BobS: course, I don't know what we are N of the equator Pamela: ours has a good heart but is really slow about making improvements rich-c: oh, you mean they're replacing your doors and windows, George? james: yeah, there's two towns in either direction about an hour from here, at sea level, and as you head towards either of them, you see james: less and less snow. james: until about halfway or so, there's none at all. Pamela: try about 45 degrees, Bob rich-c: you should be 42 or 43 north, Bob George: i think they want to push out the public housing tennants james: what's ottawa at? Ron: phone wrang Ron: silly phone rich-c: Ottawa is close to 45, I think Ron: um.... 47 north Ron: you could be right Rich Pamela: I keep telling you Ron, the key is not to answer it BobS: so 35 is about even with say........Indianapolis or southern indiana Ron: i know.... can't help myself BobS: and they get lots of snow too George: friday its going to be 70 F here Pamela: Hey, if I can do it, so can you Pamela: and I'm a professional phone person BobS: you WANt to feel needed, its that it Ronald???? Ron: yes Ron: It's a deep Freudian longing I have rich-c: don't think we'll see any 70 - the jet stream has been mostly south of us Ron: goes back to my childhood Judy: I would take the 70, George Pamela: That's way too warm for this time of year rich-c: yes, you send us the 70, we'll send you our snow james: just looked up a map online, 35 deg is a reasonable estimate for where i am Ron: Understand the Rideau Canal in Ottawa is not yet frozen Pamela: I'm happiest when I can wear my sweaters without getting heat prostration james: yeah, my mother was telling me that. Ron: Winterlude becomes Waterlude Pamela: Swimming, anyone? rich-c: yes, and they aren't half hurt about that james: i still get a kick of how the industry pundits say there's no proof of global warming. Ron: the organizers and Murphy are close friends BobS: I can llok at the world globe downstairs George: picnic at my place friday Pamela: I'm in! Ron: fax me a burger George james: so go ahead mr. president bush and keep burning oil and coal. y'all can move on up north when it gets too hot. Ron: my Transporter is on the fritz... damn! rich-c: there is no concrete proof, james - just grounds for considerable suspicion George: what fixins? Pamela: get it fixed quick, Ron Ron: right Pamela: mayo and bbq sauce on mine, please Ron: everything EXCEPT ONIONS james: well given that the 20 hottest years on record have been in the last 25 years, i'd say that's rather convincing. Ron: I do NOT LIKE ONIONS james: talk to any inuit. the farther north you go, the more pronunced the change is. Pamela: tell us something we don't know, Ron Ron: yup..... tundra is not in good shape rich-c: no, it just proves that the portion of geological time covered by the records is too short to prove anything BobS: and they match the golden age if the middle ages, when civilization advanced.....and then it got colder......like the lst james: roads built on what was supposed to be "perma" frost that have twisted because the underlying layer has melted. Ron: sorry.... you knew that George: plenty for everyone BobS: scientist report says ther hole is gettign smaller, therefore cooler temps rich-c: weell, the ozone hole relates more to pollution than climatic warming Ron: Our provincial Gov't fired all the scientists james: well, since we can't go back in time and remove all the sources of co2, it'll be hard to prove one way or the other Ron: come to think of it, they fired most everyone james: @ron, yeah, are there any public sector jobs at all? do they still collect your garbage every week? rich-c: yes, the problem is that our planet is much given to climatic swings Ron: we're NOT sure! rich-c: and it's very hard to tell precisely what the cause may be Ron: our man has a 73 seat majority. He can do most anything he wants james: true, but you can't expect to continue pumping copious amounts of co2 and methane into the atmosphere for decades and not expect ti james: to have some kind of effect. George: police officer shot in head here BobS: no, the ozone hole enlarging will allow more of the harmful rays of the sun and scald us....... BobS: mostly a bunch of BULLSHIT Pamela: 50 sunscreen, anyone? Ron: keep your eyes open people, for the falling satellite..... you too might get hit rich-c: the ozone just bounces, or filters, part of the invisible spectrum BobS: all the different groups need to justify their gov't grant money rich-c: unfortunately, the part that causes skin cancer james: u.v. yes. George: i need a lead shield Ron: Alls I know is I sunburn faster than I used to Ron: when we get sun james: the ozone hole, at least the antarctic one, may be stabilizing. they'll need a few more years of data though before they can conclusively say so BobS: naw Ron said to hit in "unpopulated" areas....maybe....possibly.....maybe????? Ron: yeas Bob, but their margin of error is plus or minus 8000 miles Ron: ie... they don't know rich-c: oh, are we supposed to have a satellite coming down this evening? Ron: yup BobS: ;that's IT rich-c: is that margin N-S or E-W? BobS: Tis WHITE here in the last 30 minutes Ron: dunno Ron: nice Bob George: i had to turn news off too depressing BobS: and COMIN down Pamela: good call George
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changed username to Neil BobS: jsut measn I have tog et up earlier tomorrow Ron: very seldom ever goes up Ron: :( Pamela: LOL Judy: we just saw it on the news that is how we found out BobS: Neil ya'll is twins!!!!!! Pamela: Neil, why are you twins? BobS: had to happen Pam.......someday George: aah tvland Ron: 2 Neils..... Lord! we were having trouble enough with one Ron: Think our labour people are going to riot Pamela: still dry here George: cousin Jed BobS: now, now. don't make the poor guy self conscious Neil: The system bumped me off, so I signed in again. BobS: ok Pamela: how rude! Ron: it's a matter-anti-matter thing BobS: we can believe that Ron: If Neil touches himself, he disappears rich-c: anyway, Ron, if governments don't honour contracts, folks shoud riot
(BobS reboots Neil's computer remotely.) Neil: I don't know it just suddenly said "Spaniel Chat" has disconnected, then the window closed. Ron: couldn't agree more Rich. All of this is a little high handed BobS: that's what does it rich-c: you sign a contract, you live with the consequences Ron: yup Ron: but not our Gordon Campbell, no sir Ron: he blames it all on the previous gov't Pamela: just stay out of the line of fire, Ron Ron: I'm too old for that sutff Ron: they'll have to do without my input rich-c: try telling the finance company they're overpriced so you're cutting back the payments Ron: precisely. They would be unsympathetic rich-c: settle for taking cookies to the pickets, Ron Ron: anyway.... I'm just a weary old senior BobS: you aren't even old Ron Ron: that's an idea Rich BobS: just tired BobS: MAYBE Ron: I usually honk the horn when I go by a line rich-c: that's too ambiguous Ron: retirement living is getting to me rich-c: stopband cheer them on George: i have too many cookies on my computer Ron: today I had 3 meetings and a curling game Pamela: from those of us still in the working sector - live with it rich-c: set your browser to reject them, George Ron: tomorrow a stint at the local hospital, and a volunteer shift at the community net, plus a meeting of the Board rich-c: then go to lavasoft.de and get Ad-Aware Ron: at least I get now to choose the meetings I go to rich-c: that will seek out and destropy all the spyware james: i highly recommend adaware BobS: retirement is TOO busy eh? George: will that kick me out of the sites? Pamela: Ron, I hate to tell you this - you're not retired, you're just unemployed Ron: could be Pamela james: some ingenuous software vendors also add snooping plug-ins with their software. rich-c: there are very few sites that demand cookies - if they do, don't visit Ron: never fancied myself as a "Dollar a year man", but that's how it's turned out rich-c: they are legitimate if they're sessioinal cookies on a secure site Ron: I like cookies rich-c: like, if you want to use hotmail, you have to take a cookie Pamela: in your computer??? BobS: M&M cookies, YUM Ron: Hell, they never make it to my computer rich-c: but you can change the browser back and forth to suit your surfing George: boggs down the system rich-c: and IE6 allows you to delete evrything at the end of the session BobS: heck I just dump the whole mess every time Pamela: M & M brownies - yummier Ron: Uncle Norton cleans things here now and then Pamela: (I'm hungry) Judy: I am going to call it a night, night all talk at you next week rich-c: I just leave my browser set to reject everything Pamela: Goodnite, Judy Ron: G'nite Judy james: has anyone tried netscape 6.2? rich-c: then cover the other bases with AdAware and Zone Alarm Ron: May the force be with you BobS: ....it's beginning to look a lot like christmas, everywhere I look............... George: setup aol and ie in a ramdrive
Judy left chat session rich-c: nite, Judy Ron: told ya.... the snow's a comin' Ron: don't buy any Enron shares Pamela: watch - now it'll snow until May BobS: got to go too gang..........get up early tomorrow and shovel ......or blow snow rich-c: don't think they'd fit, George BobS: RIGHT Ron!!! BobS: see ya'll next week Ron: niters Pamela: Bye, Bob rich-c: night Bob, you be on Saturday? james: bye bob! BobS: might be....don't lknow what Sat brings yet rich-c: see you or not, then Ron: should be able to show.... if I leave a note on the machine here
BobS left chat session Pamela: I'm thinking I should go to bed too rich-c: yes, I'm having senior moments on the subject too, Ron Ron: are you tired Pamela? Pamela: If I have to fight idiot drivers in the morning, it will help to be awake rich-c: OK, goodnight, daughter, sleep tight Pamela: Constantly, Ron rich-c: and take it easy in the morning Ron: exactly. You see.... I get back from the hospital just before lunch.... and then and then..... I forget Ron: very seldom am I not here at noon on Sat Pamela: I'm outta here - see y'all next week Ron: so I need to activiate one of my many reminder programs Pamela: "kerpoof" Ron: kniters Pam Ron: nighters rich-c: I'll likely get involved in the Daytona 24 Hours or something james: i'm gone too! see you all next week.
Pamela left chat session rich-c: see you james - take care Ron: winding down here eh? Neil: Good night all. james: you too. i slept horribly last night so i'm going to take a nap before i teach. Ron: I have a computer to rebuild rich-c: night to you, Neil
Neil left chat session George: night Neil james: *poof* Ron: so I shall off and away
james left chat session rich-c: anyway, Ron, we need to convince George to get a new ISP so he can keep spies out of his computer George: everyone is dropping off Ron: oh? Ron: spies? rich-c: yes, it does seem to be the case, George rich-c: have you put Zone Alarm on your computer yet, George? George: i don't know about it rich-c: yes, Ron, I just put AdAware on and found 25 pieces of spyware in my registry rich-c: the one from Eudora is legitimate, the rst wren't Ron: hmmmm..... rich-c: and that's on a new computer still being configured Ron: geez! Ron: need to check that rich-c: George, right after you sign off, go to Zonelabs,com and get it - it's free George: do they get all information? rich-c: then go to lavasoft.de and get AdAware Ron: www.lavasoft.de ?? rich-c: some of the spies will report your evry keystroke back to home base rich-c: when you type in your bank password or credit card number or social security number - someone can read it rich-c: go look at it, Ron, download it, run it, and prepare for a shock Ron: indeed I will George: i don't want them getting my passwords and pins Ron: exactly rich-c: then protect them Ron: Although, most of that stuff I do from my mac rich-c: it takes little time, less effort and no cost, so do it George: maybe i should stay offline Ron: seems that way, doesn't it George Ron: I wiould heartily recommend Zone Alarm rich-c: why? it's easy and free to surf safely, just take the free protections George: can it coexist with aol? rich-c: besides, it makes the snoops mad as hell when you slam the door on their toes! Ron: :) rich-c: yes, and if aol gives you a hard time about it, go with prodigy or someone instead rich-c: if there are special procedures needed with AOL, the website or program documentation will tell you Ron: Well gents.... I go Ron: will hopefully see ya's Sat rich-c: OK Ron, we both remember, see you Saturday Ron: nite rich-c: don't strain yourself shovelling all that snow George: nite Ron: na. The Lord put it there, the Lord will take it away rich-c: amen Ron: g'nite
Ron left chat session rich-c: does look like things are winding down rich-c: so I guess it's time for me to pack it in too George: yes George: ok rich-c: besides, George, now you've got a couple of programs to download and install rich-c: so I shall leave you to it rich-c: goodnight now; Neil too George: ok goodnight all
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changed username to George rich-c: hello George George: hi Rich rich-c: glad to see you made it George: I remembered rich-c: did you manage to get the rain you need there? George: just a little drizzle rich-c: I guess that isn't really very good news then George: and a lot of wind rich-c: yes, we had a windstorm here that knocked down six houses under construction George: it doesn't do much George: we are still parched here rich-c: well, we had snow and freezing drizzle ahead of it, so when the wind came it took down a lot of trees and power lines rich-c: don't know what's going on with the forecasts rich-c: my brother in Orlando said they wre supposed to get rain today rich-c: but I'm watching the race from Daytona (about 45 miles northeast) and it's bright and sunny George: did you lose power? rich-c: no, we very rarely have a power outage - Ontario Hydro is good that way rich-c: in Toronto, even if a line goes down, they get it fixed very quickly George: 45,000 lost power all around me rich-c: that's a pretty serious outage rich-c: I'm surprised that even a really vigourous windstorm could do that George: and we pay for it rich-c: it is definitely a hassle no one needs rich-c: have you got Zone Alarm installed yet? George: we are overcrowed here it doesn't take much to do a lot of damage rich-c: depends on the kind of line that goes down, too George: i couldn't find it rich-c: every once in a while a main transformer blows and blacks out half downtown rich-c: ok - write this down: ZONELABS.COM George: is Zone Alarm part of a package? rich-c: no, it is standalone rich-c: the one you want is the plain one (not ZA Pro) rich-c: you can tell because it's marked "free download" George: i think the site i went to had ad aware rich-c: well you should also have AdAware rich-c: that would have been lavasoft.de George: yes thats it rich-c: AdAware just alerts you to spy bugs hidden in your software rich-c: but Zone Alarm thwarts direct hacker attacks on your computer George: i have to make sure i have the complete spelling because aol doesn't use auto complete rich-c: I was talking to a Motorola engineer in Rhode Island yesterday rich-c: he says that Double-Click have now found a way to read the serial numbers embedded in the new Pentium chips
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changed username to Meeka Meeka: He;;o Meeka: that's hello rich-c: Double-Click is one of the spy outfits that track cookies George: it sounds likely rich-c: hello Meeka, how's things in Kentwood? Meeka: not to bad. George: let them know i'm a dirty old man rich-c: well, George, Intel claims to ship the chips with the number blocked rich-c: but there is software to make it accessible but only the owner is supposed to be able to use it rich-c: Meeka, we've got a cold, bright northern high - how about you? Meeka: it is sunny here, but not sure what temp. out side is. have been inside all day rich-c: it was -10C when I got up, but is almost up to freezing now rich-c: but I didn't have much urge to go out either! George: i'm at the zone labs site now rich-c: OK George, just click on "download Zone Alarm" and run it in the background rich-c: Meeka, you might tell Bob that the 486 motherboard is in the mail to him Meeka: ok. rich-c: Frances wanted to get it out of the house and wasnt about to wait till August Meeka: ;-) rich-c: George, which version of which browser are you running? George: it's downloading now George: ie 6.0 rich-c: it's a small program, shouldn't take long rich-c: but make sure you read the help file rich-c: OK George, write this down George: i'm on regular anaolg modem now rich-c: go to the Tools heading on the menu bar, then click on Options rich-c: click on the Privacy tab rich-c: then click on advanced rich-c: that will let you clear all cookies and prevent more
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changed username to rich rich: sorry, I got cut off rich: must have hit the wrong key by mistake rich: you-all there or did you get dumpoed too? George: am i still on? Meeka: no, still here rich: yes, I'm reading you rich: George, did you copy the information I gave yo0u about killing cookies? George: i clicked run from location rich: run what? rich: you can't run an installation while you're online George: for the zone alarm download rich: no, wait till you're offline to do that rich: when you install almost any program, you have to shut down most everything else rich: otherwise it fouls up the installation something fierce George: shuold i cancel and start again? rich: YES!!!! rich: or, don't start again - wait till you're offline rich: then shut down your browser, Task Scheduler, any anti-virus and other active programs rich: you use Norton anti-virus, don't you? George: now i'm saving it to c: George: no i have mcafee rich: yes, I generally save to c:\ my download files when I download a program George: trial rich: well, don't try to install ZA till you leave the Internet George: ok rich: then shut down anything like ZA or antivirus or task schedulejust right-click on the items in the taskbar and close or disable them rich: I prefer to start with a "clear" screen, bring up Windows Explorer, and go to the download files George: thats the way i always do rich: then I double-click on what I've just downloaded to install it rich: sometimes I first copy the download to another file heading rich: that's because some .EXE files open out and install themselves without leaving you the original rich: if you have a backup copy you don't have to download again if the installation goes wrong George: i make sure i only have explorer and systray running rich: technically, that's what you think rich: in fact if you're running at all you really have about two dozen hidden processes running rich: but then you can't do anything - including an installation - without those, so it doesnt matter George: whats hidden i can't see rich: yes you can but you need special software to do it rich: task manager (which comes up when you hit control-alt-delete will show most of them rich: there's a freebie more thorough version called Another Task Manager George: i hope its only essentials rich: or if you have the Norton package System Works has a processes module rich: but yes, it is only essentials rich: I have a mcafee package on my old computer and it's quite good George: i have on norton rich: but the version I have isn't built for Win98SE so I couldn't transfer it George: i mean no norton rich: well, you can get the package for about $24 delivered if you know where to look rich: of course if you go to Staples it's about $100 George: i'll look for it later rich: the place to look is in the Computers -> Software section on EBay rich: look for Dutch auctions of Norton System works 2002 and bid the minimum - likely about $15.99 George: i 'm kind of skiddish about auctions rich: well, on eBay you can check the feedback about the sellers rich: there are well over a thousand reports on some of them rich: get a seller who's satisfied a thousand buyers with no complaints and you're pretty safe George: my father used to go to a horse auction when we lived in the wilds of NJ rich: sorry, Meeka, we've been getting pretty hot and heavy with the tech stuff here rich: and which part of my native state did you live in? Meeka: thats ok. i've been working on my cross stitch while i wath the screen George: did do something wrong? my computer just gave me a ding rich: unfortunately on today's exchange you wouldn't pick up much you haven't got from Bob or Doug already rich: nothing that shows here, George Meeka: ya i'm used to tuning out teck talk rich: actually, Meeka, given the expertise you live with, you could likely contribute plenty I don't know on this topic Meeka: :-) not to sure about that
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changed username to Guy B. rich: hello Guy George: oh Zone Alarm is finnished Meeka: hello Guy rich: we just got George to download Zone Alarm, at last George: hello Guy Guy B.: Good Afternoon. Thought I drop in while I download updates to Turbotax. rich: as you can see rich: I assume you mean the download, George George: yes rich: getting on to that time of year, isn't it Guy George: my bedroom computer is slower Guy B.: Yep, I got all my forms, so I thought I can get started. rich: I regret to report that Frances isn't doing our taxes on the Adam any more rich: she's moved the data to a spreadsheet on the Amiga instead Guy B.: Doing it on the PC this time? rich: though she's still been known to crosscheck her calculations in Adamcalc rich: by the way, George, you said you're on dialup today - why? Guy B.: Sometimes you need a better spreadsheet program. Adamcalc is great for small jobs, but you may need a better speadsheet program for bigger jobs like taxes. George: i'm using my bedroom computer. aol only allows one dsl connection and thats in the livingroom rich: I don't know - Fraqnces does three or four pretty complicated forms on the Adam, always has Meeka: that's a good reason to get rid of AOL George rich: after all, H&R Block used the Adam for their operation for years Guy B.: She has them broken down. Since Adamcalc has 255X255 columns and rows. rich: no, he can't get a cable connection, Meeka, and I don't think DSL lines can be split Guy B.: Cable modems can, but I don't DSL can't. rich: well, she doesn't need all of that many columns, and while she's come close she hasn't run out of rows yet rich: and I don't think our tax forms are any less complicated than yours
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changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Ok, try again. rich: yes, this time it was George and Guy got bumped off Guy B.: What happened was Turbotax disconnected me when the updates were downloaded. rich: actually the applet didn't notice so now you're twins rich: but don't fuss it, one will go away on its own Guy B.: Exactly. We can get rid the other. George: i'm still here i think rich: we can, but you risk getting bumped again rich: leave it alone and it will go away anyway rich: yes, you are with us, George
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changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Don't know what happened there. rich: you deleted the real you instead of the leftover you on the list rich: see? now you're twins again - real and leftover Guy B.: That I did. BTW, we got a foot of snow here in Chicago from Wednesday's snowstorm. Meeka, how much did you get? George: Guy is with us twice? rich: one of him is a ghost Meeka: 9 inches or so rich: we got about six inches, with a nice coating of freezing rain on top Guy B.: At least the sledding hills are open again and the kids here are having a blast. George: we got zilch rich: hint: do not shovel the driveway when freezing rain is forecast Guy B.: Well, we got a little lucky. We did get some freezing rain, but it didn't last very long. Surprising, I didn't have much trouble getting into work Thursday. George: if you want to escape winter come here rich: oh, Philadelphia has been known to have the odd snowstorm on occasion Guy B.: And it's official. The Groundhog saw his shadow today. Six more weeks of winter. rich: six more? the way our season has been, that would make it six total George: philly is having a pajama party till april rich: we're practically contemplating planting bananas Guy B.: Well, this winter has been warmer than usual this year. rich: you are good at understatement, Guy Guy B.: Well, last Saturday we came close to 60 degrees. Today, we're in the 30's and snow on the ground. rich: exactly rich: mind you, in our cities anything under six inches doesn't count as snow George: we were in the 70's yestrday Guy B.: Bring that weather here George. rich: no wonder you got such a blast of wind - the temperature gradient must have been like a cliff George: today we are lucky to reach 40 rich: you wont be saying that in July, Guy rich: what's the matter with 40? I'll take it Guy B.: I know. I'm looking forward to the warm weather again. rich: our average temperature for this week historically is a high of 26 Meeka: see ya later. gotta go now rich: and the average low is around 10 rich: OK Meeka see you Wednesday
Meeka left chat session George: actually it is 40 here now Guy B.: Right now, our average is 31. The news is, the daylight is getting longer. Guy B.: Meeka left pretty quick. rich: yes, and we've turned the corner to when sunrise is also getting earlier, no just sunset later Guy B.: The sun is setting after 5 PM now. George: sun is strong here now even in winter rich: on our clear cold days we can feel the sun's heat even in the depths of winter Guy B.: Abby had a blast romping in the snow today. We had to manuver around the snowbanks to get to the woods for our walk. rich: often you'll see melting in sheltered sunny corners when the air temperature is 20 rich: yes, most dogs absolutely love the snow rich: I guess, Guy, you must live well out of Chicago if you have woods nearby Guy B.: You should see her climb a snowbank so she do her duty. George: oops i hit the wrong thing and got lost rich: well. you're back, George Guy B.: Yes, a couple blocks away. Guy B.: My twin is gone. rich: told you so rich: Guy, George has downloaded Zone Alarm and will be installing it when we quit
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changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Now, I'm back. rich: here to stay this time, Guy? Guy B.: Seems when other things are going. Somethings goes astray. rich: yes, that is why I will not multitask when I'm on chat George: i'm defrosting boneless skinless chicken breast for dinner Guy B.: I'm formatting a CD-RW disc while online. rich: that's what we had last night, with a sour cream sauce, over rice George: that is memory intensive rich: Guy, about CD-Rs - they must be filled in one take, right? Guy B.: I have 128mb on this system. rich: formatting a disc should not use much memory George: yes you only get one shot Guy B.: Yes, that's correct. CD-RW's can be written many times. rich: that's another thing I wanted to know - CD-RWs will take successive sessions, right? Guy B.: Yes, as long as you have the disc in the drive. George: cd-rws can be written to hundreds of times Guy B.: And CD-RW's are good for backing up your files. rich: but I can't write say 100 mb of files to it today and another 100 next week? George: i believe so rich: I already have my hard disc imaged to a couple of CD-Rs Guy B.: Yes, you can. You can put 100mb file and another one later on the same disk as long as you use different filenames. rich: in short, it won't just overwrite what's already there Guy B.: Unless you are using the same filename. it will overwrite that filename. Otherwise you can use different filenames. It's just like a floppy disk. rich: I also assume that if the new file/old name is longer than the original, and there is other stuff on the disc, it will demand a new entry and not overwrite the old rich: in short, I'm assuming it works sort of like the old Adam tapes Guy B.: Well no. When you use the same filename in Adam, the old one gets backuped. On a PC, you use the same filename. It will overwrite the file, unless it flags you. rich: can I assume any CD-R or CD-RWs I buy are formatted whether the package says so or not? Guy B.: They come unformatted. I use Esay Disk creater that has DirectCD to format the CD-RW disc. Guy B.: That's Easy Disk Creater. rich: my thinking was that with a formatted disc any file will be written sequentially, and use a specific series of blocks George: they should specify if they are unformatted rich: I think I have that - it's the Adaptec program, isn't it? Guy B.: Both CDR's and CD-RW's come either 650mb or 700mb. Guy B.: Yep, I got that too. Version 4.0 rich: yes, I have a spindle of 700MB CD-rs George: especially for other operating systems rich: but the CD-RWs are only 650s or less Guy B.: And one other thing. They don't work in DOS. Only Windows with Adaptec installed. Guy B.: I have both 650mb and 700mb. George: beos has cdwriter program rich: the CD-RWs I got at Stapes are Verbatim DirectCD formatted to 533MB - did I goof? Guy B.: No, that should sound about right. Don't forget about the FAT. rich: I haven't used to Adaptec software much, but I don't recall it asking about the file system rich: is Adaptec DirectCD the same as Adaptec CreateCD? Guy B.: My sister has a CD-RW drive too and she hasn't used it yet. I will be showing her soon what she can do. rich: make notes and send them to me! Guy B.: DirectCD is what you use to format the discs. CreateCD is the program that you can create data and audio CD's. rich: as mentioned I did a successful CD-R burn but haven't done any CD-RW yet rich: and in fact the CD-R burn I used Norton Ghost from DOS, not CreateCD Guy B.: I use CD-RW for backing up my hard drive. I have a CDR, but I haven't formatted it yet. rich: CD-RW because you keep overwriting at weekly or similar intervals? Guy B.: I use the same disc for backing up certain files like e-mail. rich: OK, right rich: I'm still trying to find a way to move my email files from the old computer to the new one Guy B.: Use DCC for that. rich: I can't seem to get Eudora to pick up files from the old computer rich: in effect it seems to say it won't import from itself Guy B.: If you have DCC up and connected to both computers. You have two different drives. The other computer (host) will have a different drive letter. Like a network, Eudora should recognize that drive and allow you to bring the e-mail from the other computer to your new one. rich: whoops - just had someone hit the wall at Daytona - but he's walking away rich: OK, I'll give it another try then Guy B.: Ok folks. I should get going. Abby's feeding time is soon and I want to check the e-mail and download the state version of Turbotax. So, I'll see you all on Wednesday. rich: see you then, Guy. Thanks for the tips Guy B.: Let me know how you do. rich: will do Guy B.: Bye all.
Guy B. left chat session rich: George, you made the notes on how to control cookies? George: i used ie took the steps you said rich: OK you should have emptied the cookie file then and blocked new ones rich: next when you go offline go to the General page of Options George: i do it manually rich: then click on delete cookies, delete all offline files (check the box when it appears) rich: and if you are willing to lose the record of where you've been (which anyone can read) hit clear histopry rich: remember it is possible sometime for a website you're visiting to read whre you've been George: i go to view files choose select all and hit delete rich: I've found the method I use easiest, but to each his own rich: we all have our own ways of working George: i just want to make sure all is cleared rich: well, I know my way works so that's what I use, but I'm sure there are others equally efficient rich: and of course if you want to keep sensitive files (like say income tax returns) on your computer you can always encrypt them George: with aol you need to completely clear the cache rich: yes, but then one should do that always anyway rich: besides, why clutter up your hard disc with a bunch of ads? George: it gets intoa good habbit rich: agreed rich: you mentioned AdAware - have you installed and run that yet? George: i have to run scandisk and defrag again too rich: well, you should do that once a week anyway George: i didn't install yet rich: I also do it anytime I've done a large amount of installing and/or deleting from my hard drive rich: OK, when you run the scan it will invite you to delete any spyware it finds rich: it will also let you exclude certain items rich: if you are using any ad-supported software (e.g. the freebie Eudora) you have to leave the spyware there or it won't work George: i've been running train simulator and it is getting slow rich: so specify "exclude" when it asks about deleting anything with a specific program association rich: are you overloading your processor or video card? George: i don't know yet George: it's so fussy rich: it could also be, I'd guess, that your swap file may be too limited rich: still, if you've got it on automatic and have lots of disc space, that should be OK George: i don't know how to tweak it rich: how much video RAM does your card have? George: 32 mb rich: that should certainly be adequate then rich: although if I recall train simulator is a pretty big program rich: and it is also pretty new so graphics demands may be high rich: are you running it from the CD or fully from your hard disc? George: compared to my bedroom computer that only has 2mb of video rich: that is a bit marginal these days rich: though I can remember when I started on the net I had something like 256K of video RAM George: i full install train sim to haddisk rich: well, then you know the delay isn't coming from disc loading rich: how does your processor compare to the minimum requirement for the program? George: amd k62 500mhz train sim calls for pentium 2 266hz rich: so you've got a bit of a cushion over the bottom limit then George: i forgot the m rich: anyway, it's getting on towards dinner time and I have some chores to do rich: will you be on Wednesday night? George: i do too George: ok rich: OK, I'll leave now and see you then. Take care. George: bye for now
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