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changed username to George George: Hi Rich rich-c: hi George rich-c: wondering if anyone was going to turn up George: time is going too fast for me today rich-c: aw, come on, time always goes too fast for everyone rich-c: I just had an email from someone I haven't heard from for a long time George: i'm baking a cheese cake rich-c: and will be dealing with that later this evening rich-c: meanwhile I have an order for an Adam coming in from West Virginia rich-c: and I am getting some software ready to go with it rich-c: I'm in favour of cheesecake rich-c: unfortunately, my waistline is far too much in favour of it George: i have keep track of time or it will burn rich-c: yes, and burned cheesecake is not tasty at all rich-c: oops! CP/M wants to know what the "copy" command means! George: i have to get your money order out in the mail rich-c: maybe I should use PIP instead for this one, but it's complex rich-c: all in good time, George; whenever you want rich-c: with this order I'll have my hands full for the next couple of days anyway rich-c: I have a reputation to maintain so I am very picky about what I send out George: 3:30 the cake is done rich-c: gather that means you have just taken it out, then rich-c: or does that mean you're about to? George: it doesn't seem like 45 min George: i have 3:25 rich-c: as you were remarking, time flies rich-c: is it a plain or flavoured cheesecake? George: in about 5 min it comes out rich-c: it's actually 3.30 George: just plain rich-c: well made those are often the best kind rich-c: what kind of crust do you use? George: i must be running kind of slow George: grahm cracker rich-c: yes, I have a utility that is supposed to keep me synchronized with one of the atomic clocks rich-c: that's the right kind of crust rich-c: and you make it of PPhiladelphia cream cheeswe, of course? George: real cream cheese George: lemmon zest the whole bit rich-c: right - I'd imagine in Philly they'd excommunicate you or something if you didn't use the right stuff George: shhh rich-c: that's OK, that's the classic New York recipe, the best rich-c: so, have you got Zone Alarm installed yet? George: no its on my c: drive rich-c: like, you've downloaded it but not yet run the installation program? George: on my bedroom computer rich-c: you should have it on every computer that can go online rich-c: in fact I just got another probe at my computer as I was writing rich-c: meantime I went on Steve Gibson's site yesterday rich-c: he's the security guru who blew the whistle on Netscape and RealPlayer George: i hope i got the right one rich-c: well, if you went to the Zone Labs site and downloaded the free version, you got it rich-c: Gibson showed how NS and Real could record every single file you downloaded and then send it with your name to their head office George: i see all kinds of stuff from cnet and such rich-c: you mean you read stories about Gibson on Cnet? George: no from zonelabs rich-c: well, Gibson is a very strong advocate for all privacy defenders rich-c: he pushes very strongly for Zone Alarm rich-c: he also discontinued his own program "OptOut" because "AdAware" was so much better George: i for free speech rich-c: does that include electronic snoops eavesdropping on your private conversations, then telling head office all about you? George: i found ad subtract rich-c: I have no idea what Ad Subtract is, but I don't trust it rich-c: some of these programs that kill banners and popups also prevent your seeing the websites George: its supposed to stop popup ads rich-c: AdAware just lets you scan you hard disc files for electronic snoops rich-c: popup ads are a pain in the butt, but sometimes they are essential to the functioning of certain web pages rich-c: if you don't allow popups for instance, you may not get to see the login page George: something tells me i need to leave enough for aol to snoop rich-c: aol has no business snooping rich-c: if they demand the "right" to snoop, get a clean ISP George: but they can do dirty tricks not make internet work rich-c: again. clean ISPs don't do that sort of thing rich-c: I can get into MSN Passport anytime with Zone Alarm fully active rich-c: I do have to allow sessional cookies rich-c: but I just put the cookie blocker on "Prompt" for sessional and block all else George: i have my banking online too so i can't fool around too much with software that can filter out my connection to banking rich-c: then when a request comes up I click the "more info" box rich-c: as ;ong as it says "end of session" then I say OK rich-c: so what? you can still block all but sessional cookies and have it work rich-c: remember you have a choice - let them ask then judge according to the "more info" George: trying to get my quicken to accept dsl was a hard chore rich-c: we don't use Quicken rich-c: for spreadsheet work, Frances uses Adamcalc or an Amiga program George: it came from my bank George: they use it rich-c: oh, right - some banks like a set interface; that's fine George: first union the merger bank rich-c: but you can go through secure socket layers with cookies on "prompt", no problem rich-c: and if you configure Zone Alarm to allow Quicken to access the internet, no problem there George: you just have to go with the way they set it up rich-c: Quicken itself, yes, but that's no problem rich-c: firewalls don't block traffic in and out of your computer, they just make sure it's traffic you've authorized George: they so many features i don't use. but the online bill pay i use rich-c: it's entirely your choice which features you use or don't - that's how it should be rich-c: all I'm suggesting is that things should happen in front of your eyes, not behind your back George: i had to take mcafee firewall off cause it wouldn't let me in any sites a George: at all rich-c: I have never had any problem with any site while using Zone Alarm rich-c: it's one of those programs where the freebie is better than any of the commercial products George: i setup programs with the defalt settings rich-c: at that rate half you hard disc space must be used up with cookies and spyware junk rich-c: with Zone Alarm on first use everything is prevented from accessing the internet rich-c: the first time a program tries, it will ask you if you want to allow it out rich-c: if it's something like IE or Outlook, you check the "remember my answer" box when you say OK to pass rich-c: if you never want the program allowed through, you check "no" and "remember" rich-c: then Zone Alarm will never ask again rich-c: if you don't check "remember" then it will ask you each time rich-c: for instance, when you try to contact your bank, Zone Alarm will ask if you want to allow Quicken to access the net rich-c: check the "yes" box and the "Remeber" box rich-c: Quicken will then go right through without your ever being asked again rich-c: on the other hand, RealPlayer has spyware in it that may try to "phone home" rich-c: so you don't check the "remember" box; if there's a reason to play something from online, you can give it the OK in each individual instance George: thats the way i prefer it rich-c: yes, control is everything rich-c: by the way, Steve Gibson's website tells you how to take the spyware out of RealPlayer rich-c: it will also test your computer to make sure your shields are up and operating George: i need a star trek computer that can do it automatically rich-c: why? these things are not hard to handle rich-c: if they we're close to idiot proff, I'd never have a hope of using them rich-c: sorry - weren't, proof George: the typing is very hard for me rich-c: you may have noticed I can make the odd error too rich-c: fortunately so far my arthritis hasn't settled into my hands yet George: i have it everywhere George: still i go camping and torture my selt rich-c: know what you mean; we do almost all our travelling with our trailer George: thats myself rich-c: and getting down to do hookups and stuff on wonky knees isn't fun rich-c: neither is swapping propane cylinders with a bad back George: we are both in the same boat rich-c: weell, I don't have Crohns or such, and likely have rather more mobility rich-c: still I can see the day coming when such activities will be too much for me George: an old granny has more mobility than me lol rich-c: well, we're into the grandparent age range - well into it George: my father is 77 rich-c: he is six years older than me, then George: i just turned 41 rich-c: which makes you five years older than Pamela George: and time goes by too fast for me rich-c: it does that to all of us rich-c: there is just so much interesting stuff to do and so little time to do it in George: yes rich-c: and some things take so long rich-c: right now I'm copying a CP/M disc to a tape rich-c: you would not believe how long it is taking George: like waiting in traffic rich-c: yes, if you live in a big city, you spend a lot of time doing that rich-c: I didn't realize that you drove George: forever rich-c: just north of us in Toronto we have the second busiest highway in the world George: i'm still a passenger its still hard for us too rich-c: 16 lanes wide yet every rush hour it's at a virtual standstill George: wow i have to see it rich-c: for all practical purposes I refuse to drive into downtown Toronto George: we have the most dangerous intersection in the world rich-c: oh? where's that? George: grant ave. and roosevelt blvd. rich-c: that downtown or suburban? George: almost in the surburbs near the border rich-c: it would have to be, wouldn't it rich-c: any street named Roosevelt can hardly be more than 80 years old rich-c: and that's assuming it was named for Teddy Roosevelt George: more people have got killed there rich-c: yes, our ten most dangerous intersections are on suburban streets, most at least six lanes wide George: i'm not sure i thought it was Franklin rich-c: in that case the name would likely only date back about 50 years George: it has so many renames George: its really route 1 rich-c: while we do have a couple, basically Toronto tends to leave its street names alone George: in the north suburbs they call lincoln hiway rich-c: Toronto is very casual about acknowledging which streets are numbered highways, except the 401 expressway\ George: my fingers are going on the fritz again rich-c: well, guess we'll have to close down then. Will you be on Wednesday? George: i'll be here Wednesday rich-c: OK, look for you then. So, bye for now George: ok bye
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