BobS: HOWDY matey Dale: Hi ya Bob. BobS: DALW, thoght it was Richard! BobS: finger did tooo Dale: I thought I'd be the first one here today. BobS: just got here about 3 seconds before you BobS: how's Jill and Jeffrey (?) Dale: I was thinking of updating the chat archive for a change. BobS: think i got that right yes??? Dale: Jeffrey is doing great. Growing like a weed. BobS: that's good BobS: some reason the conenecvtion slowed down here........ BobS: may lose it BobS: there it's back............. Dale: I've doing okay.
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changed username to rich-c BobS: hiya Richard rich-c: good evening all rich-c: see we are prompt tonight Dale: Hi Richard. BobS: not a BIG slowdown on message showing up but some.....\] BobS: must be the cold there ;-) rich-c: oh, is the server busy? Dale: How has my new ISP been acting anyway? rich-c: you have a new ISP, Dale? Who? Dale: What with all of the problems I've had, I'm thinking that I'll switch at the end of the 6 month contract. Dale: The web services that host the chat is ica.net instead of rogers... rich-c: Dale, before the others arrive, I have a question for you Dale: but in December I was dissatisfied with the performance of the link and added Rogers for my real job. rich-c: it's about added memory for the JamCam Dale: So I have 2 broadband services to my apartement. Dale: You have the JamCam 3 right? rich-c: right Dale: What is the question? rich-c: the website talks about a "multi-media card" rich-c: never heard of that; what is it? Dale: Let me see... rich-c: compact flash and memory stick I've heard of BobS: Multi media OR smart media ????????? rich-c: they say multi-media, Bob BobS: hmmmmmm, never hear of that one either rich-c: I think it's just a schtick to sell an overpriced standard off their website
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changed username to Scott Scott: Dale! Scott: Everyone! rich-c: among other things, the company's gone bust Scott: Hello... rich-c: Hello Scott I was just on your site BobS: we have SmartMedia cards in our camera's......about 2" square; thin cardboard thickness; godl 3/4" square on it of gold lines BobS: Hi Scott rich-c: wanted to see if you had any of that stuff posted so I could delete it, not having had a reply from you Scott: Yes, I owe you some updates, but I'm not sure if I'm going to move again. Scott: I'm not sure if I want home.attbi.com/~theadamresource
moved to room Meeting Place Scott: I have it on my old account and they are supposed to release it. Scott: But it hasn't been released yet. Scott: So I've been playing the waiting game rich-c: well, I'll just keep stuff on hold till you decide, Scott Scott: I've also been a bit busy with school Scott: I have the files that you sent me. Scott: Is Dale really here? rich-c: OK, I can delete them then and free up the directory space Scott: Or is he just doing some occassional monitoring? rich-c: he's here but I just asked him a question rich-c: he may have gone looking for an answer Scott: BTW, I've played Marcel's new ColecoVision game BobS: was here, prolly just dreamingwhich is?????? Scott: It's pretty neat rich-c: did you get that clip I sent you from CanadaComputes? BobS: what the game is???? Dale: Sorry, distracted. Dale: Hi Scott. Scott: Hello
moved to room Meeting Place Dale: Rich, it sounds like it is basically proprietary. Scott: So, Dale, are you still up for some game development in the near future?
changed username to George Scott: I have been helping out Good Deal Games recently
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George left chat session Scott: They have two titles just about to be released. rich-c: hello George, how's it going this evening? Scott: Looks like I'll be doing the manufacturing for them. George: hi rich-c: got your costs in line, have you, Scott? Scott: Telegames is about to manufacture 3,000 cartridge casings for us. BobS: hiya George George: i'm on the bathroom shuttle tonight Scott: Some of these casings are being sold to GDG and other enthusiasts. Dale: See Scott, I thought that Telegames would come through. rich-c: one of the little joys of Crohn's, George Scott: Supposedly another guy has already manufactured boards Scott: Thanks for the advice, Dale. George: true Scott: We can get them for $2-3 a piece. Scott: The plastic is about $3 per shell. Scott: Chips are extremely cheap. George: ZA doesn't work with aol Scott: I am going to see if I can talk my dad into modifying the design he gave me to allow multicarts
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changed username to Pamela Pamela: Hi, Scott: Think his name was Kevin Horton. rich-c: well, George, I believe some of our AOL subscribers are using it rich-c: hi daughter, where have you been the last few days? Scott: He had a menu driven multicart that had something like 72 games on it Pamela: It's been somewhat busy around here BobS: HI Pam Pamela: How is everyone? Scott: But the bankswitching or ROMswitching was done internally, through the software. BobS: just DUCKY ma'am Scott: So, for starters, we'll have all the components to make 32K cartridges Pamela: is that a reference to the weather, Bob? Scott: And larger sizes, perhaps later. George: it doesn't let me sign onto aol BobS: nope! cold here BUt warmiing up foe the weekend !!!! rich-c: yeah! Supergames on plug-in carts! Scott: Dale, still there? Pamela: I'm just nuking my dinner - BRB BobS: NUCLEAR meals,,,,,,,,,,WHAt is this world comin' too............ rich-c: ZA won't block you from signing on to anything rich-c: it will ASK you if you want to allow a program to access the internet Scott: There's a small demand right now for physical cartridge versions of homebrew games. rich-c: if you answer yes, then it passes it through Scott: People want copies of Ms. Space Fury, Kevtris, and the newer releases just around the corner. Scott: Oh well. Scott: Looks like I lost Dale. rich-c: mind you, if AOL is trying to seriously mess with your computer, it will block that and tell you about it Scott: Must have scared him away. rich-c: no, Dale is one of those who often multitasks when in chat rich-c: so he appears to come and go BobS: welll.......they probably go the old games already and want the new ones to physically play on the cv units Pamela: If I didn't nuke my meals, I 'd never eat Scott: I'm surprised. I thought people would be satisfied with the ROMs George: it asked if i wanted to use aol to connect to the internet as i clicked yes aol shut down Scott: I love being able to play things on my emulator Scott: Something like 100 copies of Ms. Space Fury were made. Dale: Scott, I'm still listening. I've been super busy lately. Dale: I'm also making supper. Scott: Each was sold for something like $50. They completely sold out. Pamela: How are you two doing, Dale? Pamela: getting any sleep? Dale: Jeffrey and Jill are both doing great. Scott: They've been auctioning off the scarce few remaining for $100+ Dale: Sleep is still a challenge, but we are managing. Scott: Insane. The game isn't even all that good! BobS: well. Pam......Dale is making supper, on the net, changinf Jeffrey and Jill is watching......... rich-c: By the way, folks, I sold another Adam - shipped it out yesterday BobS: GREAT!!!!! Scott: Yes, busy busy Dale. I don't know how you do it. Scott: SOLD an ADAM??? Pamela: How's Mom, Dad? I haven't talked to you in ages Scott: Wow. Great. Big Profit? Dale: Scott, I haven't had must free time since my big national launch, and then a baby. rich-c: the buyer wwas Ed Snow - who did the Adamcalc presentation at ACon 01 but hasn't made a 'con since Dale: But if I can catch some sleep, then I'll want to focus on game authoring more. George: chat locked up on me Scott: Take care of what's important first. BobS: DAM!!!!!! That was the guy I told you about last week, wanted to know just what was in the ADAM deal..... Scott: On my end, things are just getting organized. rich-c: that's aol doing it, George, the program's fine for the rest of us BobS: and he was an attendee at AC 01????? Dale: I've been working a little on taking my project from my "How to write a Supergame" talk to the PalmOS. BobS: and a presentation no less....... rich-c: not just attendee, he was a presenter Scott: Ligia (girlfriend) and I are going to first start putting together cartridges for Good Deal Games to familiarize ourselves with the manufacturing process. BobS: he emailed me twice , that's what i asked you about fore shipping direct......and then he was silent, I thought we lost him George: that what said the aol will not work right with it rich-c: no, he just got in touch with me directly Scott: Meanwhile, I am compiling lots of information on game development (general) and ColecoVision file structure. rich-c: his parcels are in the mail and his payment is in my bank Scott: I've been using your site quite a bit, actually. BobS: that's GREAT, I just hought he was not too intertested after i had emailed with ihim BobS: did he express interest in further group contact???????? Scott: But of course with 19 credit hours this semester, there's a limit to how much I can do. Pamela: was he in Canada or the States, Dad? rich-c: I invited him to join us tonight; maybe he will rich-c: he lives in a suburb of Wheeling, WV and teaches computers BobS: I'll be durned.......... rich-c: anyway, anyone but George on here via AOL at the moment? Scott: Well, I'm out of time myself. Gotta go study Cisco Scott: I hope to catch you later, Dale. Scott: Bye! Pamela: Good luck with the games, Scott
Scott left chat session rich-c: OK Scott let me know when you've got the stuff dealt with and I can send more Pamela: Ciao! rich-c: wow, he went quick Pamela: Boy, he splits in a hurry, doesn't he? rich-c: now maybe we can get around to tackling George's problem Pamela: Dad, have I missed anything at home in the last couple weeks? BobS: crohn's????????? Dale: BTW Bob, I just wanted to thank you for the beautiful blanket the Slopsema clan sent. It was amazing. rich-c: not really, Pam BobS: you and Jill and Jeffrey are certainly welcome, will pass on the sentiment rich-c: I'm still waiting for Star Office, though Dale: Please do. BobS: was a litle worried last week that it didn't get thru customs.......... Pamela: I have it, just need to get over to you. I also have a couple of books returned from Cynthia, and a couple of other things rich-c: well, at least you know where to find us BobS: PAMELA..... be good to the foks, theya re onth ONLY ones you have Pamela: I try Bob - but things tend to get out of hand sometimes rich-c: anyway Bob, George's problem is he can't get on AOL with Zone Alarm running Pamela: last week was spent frantically trying to get some work done so my boss could go out on audit this week Pamela: this week it was groceries on Monday, movie yesterday and here I am at today already BobS: AOL and Zone Alarm is something I know ZIP about sirs rich-c: maybe Dale has a clue? Pamela: BTW, if any one wants to see Vanilla Sky, talk them out of it quick rich-c: thought you were going to see LOTR? Pamela: First we have to work around R's schedule - no easy task rich-c: right, which shift is he on now?
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moved to room Meeting Place Pamela: last night of midnights rich-c: after which he moves to? Pamela: days off, then afternoons starting Tuesday BobS: po' Russell just don't have no set life rh??????? rich-c: so maybe you can get by soon then BobS: eh?????? Pamela: that's one of the things I have for you, a copy of his schedule BobS: someone undefined has arrived.....am you there????? rich-c: may be a new user, Bob - sometimes it takes them a while to sign in BobS: maybe Ed Snow!!!!!
(BobS smiles) rich-c: or maybe they hit return and don't ralize they can still talk as undefined BobS: but alas, now the user is gonre Pamela: that was a quick poof BobS: kinda like a ghost. yes????
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changed username to Guy B. rich-c: could also be someone trying it and not making it - an AOL user, maybe? Pamela: our undefined has a name! rich-c: hello Guy Pamela: Hi, Guy! George: funny BobS: Hiya Guy!!!!! BobS: ;oh Guy is defined for sure!!!!! Guy B.: Hi Everyone, I can't stay long tonight. I'm on the P133. The Athlon is down. Win98 is corrupted. rich-c: wonder where rich-c: Dr.D is tonight? Pamela: wondered that too
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changed username to BAIR Pamela: it's atroshus and I love it BobS: it is the BAIR!!!!!! Pamela: Hi, Bair! BobS: Hiys Bob!!!! rich-c: it's the Big Bair! BobS: farn dingers anyways BAIR: HI EVERY ONE Guy B.: I think along the line Internet Explorer might be the problem. I can't use Netzero either. So, I have to reinstall the OS again and everything else too. rich-c: anyway, Guy, I sympathize with your troubles Pamela: Guy, how did Windows get corrupted, a virus? Guy B.: it's the Bair. Guy B.: That's a possibility. Athought, I'm not sure what happened. rich-c: well, I think I know the root of the problem Pamela: yeah, it's called Windows rich-c: the Windows Help file is deficient BobS: or Bill as in Gates rich-c: it doesn't have an entry for "possession, demonic" Guy B.: At least I have the good ole P133 to rely on. Pamela: cute, Dad Pamela: and here I thought they were just gremlins rich-c: geez, I'm glad someone has a sense of humour tonight Pamela: LOL Pamela: Russell liked it too Dale: Guy, sometimes, if you remove all networking reference (modems, netowrk cards, protocols, etc.)... Dale: (dialers too) then reboot the computer and let it autodetect them again... Dale: it repairs itself. Guy B.: I tried that. It made it worse. So, I have no choice. I have to reinstall Win98. rich-c: and sometimes it doesn't, but then you missed last week, Dale Pamela: How much did you lose, Guy? George: i was just locked up again Guy B.: Can't use Netzero. I have backed up the e-mail and all my document files. I'm going to double check to be sure. rich-c: that's weird, George Dale: I didn't say always. Pamela: BTW Dale, whatever you did to the server, it sure improved matters a lot - thank you Dale: Improves Pamela? Dale: You mean the chat server is available? Pamela: just overall - speed, consistency, no time lag etc - that was not sarcastic rich-c: oh, there is a little lag at times, but it is barely perceptible Pamela: I don't really notice any most of the time rich-c: and part of that is likely because we're on dial-up modems George: it stops then shoots by BobS: see, mine did that for a minute when I first got on BobS: but now it is lightning quick rich-c: that seems to be your computer hanging, George BAIR: I agree the last time I was on and signed of it made a short cut for me which is very nice,dale Dale: I'm not totally optimistic that the 'net connection is the best. rich-c: or again AOL troubles - sounds like you may be getting line delays rich-c: and that is inexcusable when you're paying for broadband BobS: probalby the mule train between toronto and new york on the way to George in ?bostp BobS: boston George: yes i know its on my side but its hard to keep up rich-c: he's in Philly BAIR: bob it is the snow strom coming rich-c: the question is, whre and why is it getting buffered between here and you? Pamela: Bob, where's the younger set tonite? BobS: nope, gonna warm up tomorrow and into the weekedn BobS: don't know pam.....loafin I guess BAIR: nop 3 feet rich-c: Bob is the younger set Pamela: I have a question for Meeka BobS: nice day here and we were in Indiana most of the day today adn it was nice.cool but nice George: maybe its a terrorist cyber attack Pamela: but I guess I'll figure it out for myself BAIR: ha ha Pamela: Was a gorgeous day today but very cold BobS: NO snow in INDIANA BAIR: I tried rich-c: yes, it was something watching the sun melt the ice in the birdbath with the temp at -10C Guy B.: Most of the snow here has melted. And BobS: went to Shipshewana today, nuthin there so we wandered to weat points Guy B.: looks like no more for the time being. BAIR: hey nnot to far from here Pamela: Well I made the mistake of getting the car washed on Sunday - lasted all of about 30 seconds before the rain started Guy B.: Don't you hate that. BobS: nope, thoguht of coming your way to Kendalville, but not to many antique maillls that way Pamela: I really do, Guy BobS: so whent towards south bend area BAIR: ho well Pamela: However I did prove, however briefly, that the car really is blue BobS: woulda stopped at the Bairs for supper!!!!! Pamela: BRB - gonna say good bye to Russell Dale: Rich, Sandisk makes MMC cards, and futureshop.ca lists a 16MB MMC card for $39.99CDN. BobS: BYE RUSSELL BAIR: hey we would have found something George: we need water send us all your rain and snow rich-c: OK, Dale, that suggests they are a generic type of card, then rich-c: well actually, George, we are starting to run a little short ourselves BobS: well, maybe we will have to holler some day and come and see ya BAIR: bye russell rich-c: if we have any surplus, our folks out on the Prairies need it Guy B.: Well gang. I will have to call it tonight. Juno might cut me off shortly. This weekend I'll be restoring the OS on the Athlon after I get home from work. So, I'll see you all next week. Pamela: He says goodnite back rich-c: OK, see you next Wednesday then, Guy. Good luck BobS: noyt me Guy be in FL, but ya';ll have fun!!!! Pamela: ciao for now, Guy BAIR: good by rich-c: you goin' wandering AGAIN, Slopsema? Guy B.: Have a safe trip down there. At least we all know where you'll be next week. BAIR: don't you ever stay home Guy B.: Bye All. BobS: yup. to Ft Lauderdale next Tues thru the end of the moth to cisit Judy's folks there
Guy B. left chat session BobS: NOPE, gotta go Bair!!!! rich-c: driving down, I gather BobS: before I kick off this earth BobS: npe FLYIN Pamela: which airline, Bob? George: i'm declaring myself an OEM rich-c: that spoils all the fun BobS: hit a deer with the new car last sat night, so it goes to the body shoo while we are gone Dale: On the jamcam specs page on the jamonline.com site it says "industry standard multi-media card". BobS: Northworst,,,,,,,,,,,,but cheap BAIR: I thought for awhile that was what virginia was tring to do Pamela: How bad is the damage, and what new car? rich-c: yes, Dale, but it wasn't capitalized so I thought it might be one of the others Dale: But the FAQ says that the images are not in a standard format, so you have to transfer the images over the USB link, not directly. rich-c: but, if it is MMC and Future Shop carries it, then I can make decisions BobS: got mama 2002 Gran marquis in Nov, got 28oo miles onit with only 2650 when the deer got in the way BobS: only $3634 US damage rich-c: no indication of the maximum capacity, is there? Pamela: that's a lot of damage any way you slice it rich-c: I didn't notice when I was on the site a few days ago Pamela: did you keep the old Crown Vic? BobS: deer can't p[ay, he's dead, ka-put, not breathin', feet up........yo get the pic BobS: nope Crown Vic is gone Pamela: Did you at least get venison out of the deal? BobS: I am driving mama's 94 Merc BobS: the brown one we took to AC Dale: The FAQ also calls them MMC cards, which is a name which the Sandisk packaging features. BobS: nope, the deer was al smooshed inside methinks Dale: Future Shop also has 32 MB MMC cards, and possibly larger ones as well. rich-c: thanks, Dale, I think that gives me clues enough BobS: besides, i don't eat bambi BobS: 's Pamela: is that a new medical term - smooshed? rich-c: wonder how many pics a 16 MB card will store? BobS: BUT Richar, WHAt will the jamcam uspport????????? BAIR: it might taste better BobS: the Fuji's we have will take an 8 meg card, but no bigger..(tried it) Pamela: that's like the doc's technical term for the damage to Russell's wrist when he broke it - "pulverized" rich-c: well, that's a problem you have when the company goes under rich-c: information can be a bit hard to come by BAIR: why did you hit him so hard Dale: I'm not sure but I think that 128 MB MMC cards are base line standard. I'm not sure where I'd look that up though. BobS: didn't seee him until he "mounted' the hood......... Pamela: I'm innocent, Bair - he slipped on the ice on Easter Sunday and landed all of him on the wrist BobS: then it was too late BobS: was dark and road lower on both sides....and , and BAIR: how do i know that though BobS: oh Russel????? I didn't hit him!!!!
(BobS winks) Pamela: Would I make that much work for myself? Pamela: He was "borgified" for eight weeks afterward BobS: ya......... BAIR: sounds like husband abuse BAIR: that poor man Pamela: Oh yeah, poor man who got waited on hand and foot for a week afterward Pamela: literally - i had to help him put on his socks every day Dale: Richard, whay do you say that KB Gear has gone under? Their web site is still operating, and their partner sites still work. BAIR: that is the way it sould be Pamela: Hmm, I detect the faint smell of chauvinism in the air Pamela: I can see my Dad now - rolling on the floor laughing BAIR: nop JUST THE TRUTH BobS: Bob, you chauvinist fella yaou......WAIT until i see Virginia!!!!! BAIR: well at lest she is feeling better now Pamela: Can I tell your wife about this quirk of yours, Bair? rich-c: brb BAIR: took her to the emergency room last week Pamela: Is she alright? Pamela: What happened? BAIR: thought it was a heart atack
moved to room Meeting Place Pamela: but it wasn't? rich-c: Dale, Consumer Reports said re a recall that KB Gear was oput of business
changed username to Judy Pamela: you all will notice my Dad is ignoring me Pamela: Hi, Judy! rich-c: hi Judy Judy: Hello, all BAIR: after a lot of test they think it was just the wrong medicne can't spell either Judy: I have been on ebay, bidding on dolls Pamela: Judy - question for you - how do you get French knots to turn out? BobS: dont' worry about spelling bo, tell us about Virginia Pamela: mine always come undone rich-c: Dale, the JamCam book shows a 16MB MMC as available, but doesnt say if it's the max BobS: got thre meds changed then????? BAIR: hay bob she is going to buy you adoll Pamela: so she's okay, Bob? Dale: Well they sold their R and D division to someone then, they've released several new products since November. BobS: a doll?!?!?!?!?!? BAIR: yeh she is fine now been working 9 to 12 hour Pamela: thank goodness BobS: you just won't let tha po woman rest willya Bob????? rich-c: perhaps they went into Chapter 11 and got bought out BAIR: that is almost every day Judy: pull the needle thur and hold thread tight, then twirl thrread around needle once or twice holding tight and bring needle back thru George: what? Judy: do you have trouble making them? Pamela: I tried that and it didn't work Judy: what did it do BobS: George, ya let womeon on chats and they startr sewing and stitchin rich-c: Pam, hen you come by your mother can show you Pamela: I always end up actually tying a knot in the thread Pamela: it came unravelled BAIR: the dr. put me on 40 hour a week only had chest pains after working7 days aweek Pamela: I might take her up on that, Dad - Pooh is finally finished except for the French knots BobS: you got to quit that working that many hours bo Dale: Jill says hello. BobS: Bob Judy: are you bringing the needle down next to the place that it came up? Pamela: Hi, Jill Judy: Hi, Jill BAIR: i know that Pamela: no, in the same hole - that's how the instructions tell you to Judy: who is mommyhood? Judy: how?? BAIR: why do you need to know that BobS: jsut tryin to get rich QUICK, eh Bair????? Judy: that will not work Pamela: the knots, Bair? Dale: Jill: mommyhood is awesome. Jeffy is amazing. rich-c: they all are at that age, Dale Judy: that is great BAIR: virginia said she would make me quit if dont stop Judy: no, some cry all the time!!! rich-c: maybe you should offer her the same advice, Bob Judy: like little Michael BobS: and she id RIGHT!!!!! Judy: he is finely over that BobS: and she has to stop working like a mad russian TOO!!!!!! BAIR: if you would stop hitting them they would not cry BAIR: bad judy BAIR: SHAME Pamela: so Judy, I should bring the needle down with a thread between? George: is it lent already? rich-c: yes, yesterday was Mardi Gras Judy: yes, just a minute I will do one Pamela: 'tis, George - Ash Wednesday is today BobS: I lent Richard a customer, does that cvount??????? BobS: ah yes saw that on a chuyrch sign today BAIR: YES George: i missed my ashes rich-c: sure Bob, has your commission arrived yet? BobS: PAMELA,,,,,,,,Judy is "tryiny" a french knot. so hold on!!!!! Pamela: I thought it was "neither a borrower or a lender be", Bob BAIR: don't let get to you bob BobS: yes, it did come to think of it, will have to try and reimb;urse ya the shipping BobS: before we got o Fl BobS: well customers are a dime a dozen ya know rich-c: no big deal, Bob, in your cash $5 would be an overpayment' BAIR: you could stay home BobS: no paiin no gain....... Pamela: holding . . . BobS: DOINE rich-c: will you have a computer available down there, Bob? BobS: DINE BobS: DONE BAIR: what are you holding for Pamela: Judy BobS: whew got iright!!!!! Judy: there just made a perfect knot Pamela: show off George: comcast has spyware BAIR: I cant see it rich-c: Comcast IS spyware, if I recall BAIR: dosenot look all that good to me judy Pamela: I'm gonna try this - hang on while I get my bag BAIR: judy where did you go rich-c: are you running AdAware now, George? Judy: just bring needle up twist thread around the needle and bring needle down just over from the place you came up Dale: Jill says she's giving up "exercise and vegetables" for lent. George: they don't even have internet in my neighborhood BAIR: that sounds good Judy: try and see if that will work for you Pamela: that's my kind of lent, Dale Dale: I say that it doesn't count if you've already given them up. :-) BAIR: it didnot work Pamela: first I gotta check my pattern - don't know what colour it's supposed to be Judy: you are suppose to give up things you like for lent rich-c: thought you were giving up fish, Pam BAIR: NO NO Pamela: done that already Dale: Right Judy. rich-c: Bob, again, will you have a computer available in FL? BAIR: judy close the door and no one knows BobS: YES!!!! Judy: yes he will BobS: but not inteente service cept for Netzero rich-c: well then you'll be able to join chat from there, with luck BobS: and that may not work too good BobS: they are gettign kind of petty rich-c: go to Staples and buy one of those internet pay cards - Slingshot, or something BobS: where you get one???? BobS: no Staples right here Dale: I have to duck out. I'll try and get the log of chats updated before next week. BobS: be good dale, bye Jill Jefff and dale Judy: bye, Dale BAIR: bye
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changed username to Meeka Dale: Bob, what were the dates for ACon this summer? Trying to schedule a trip to SIGGRAPH as well. Meeka: Helloo All rich-c: sorry Bob, thought I had it bookmarked but no joy BAIR: HI rich-c: hi Meeka Pamela: Hi Meeka - trying a french knot that Judy is talking me through - I'll be back BobS: Aug 8-11 Thurs thru Sun Judy: hi, Meeka Dale: Perfect Bob. Bye all. BobS: LATE MEEKA rich-c: oh Dale, thanks for the help, and goodnight to you, Jill and the young'un Pamela: Judy, do I wrap clockwise or counter clockwise? Pamela: ore does it matter? Meeka: yes, yes i know BAIR: bob when will need some money Dale: No porblem Rich. Judy: don't think is matters BobS: NOW! Meeka: was cleaning in my room to make room for shelves
(BobS winks) BAIR: how much Dale: poof Judy: good work!!! BobS: anytime will be fine, but have to have reservations by July 1 and money to hold rooms Meeka: No Pam, i doesn't matter which way BobS: 1 dollar down and a dollar a day will work!!!!! Judy: sorry I missed you today, went to Ship rich-c: gee, better send me some more Adam buyers, Bob BobS: got my webpage??????? Bo???? Meeka: yes, that is what mandy said BobS: BOB??????
Dale left chat session Meeka: did you get anything good?? BAIR: i dont have that many chceks Judy: no, didn't even stay BobS: goto: http://ann.hollowdreams.com has ALL the info on the conventino with pics of the hotwl Pamela: didn't work Judy: went antiqueing instead BobS: send cahs in a brown envelope Meeka: which part Pam Judy: didn't get very much Pamela: the wrapping part Judy: why not?
(BobS reboots BAIR's computer remotely.) Meeka: thats good for the check book right??? BAIR: need all my cash for my tractor Pamela: maybe not tight enough? BobS: TRACTOR>????????? Judy: do you hold the thread tight BobS: shaem on ya!!!! Meeka: well, that is part of the trick rich-c: you got troubles, Ginny has troubles, now your tractor has troubles too? BAIR: hey i live to drive my tractor BobS: ya hold the thread with your teeth, your needle with your left hand and the material with the right hand Judy: when do you have to have it done? Meeka: did you hold it tight after pulling through the needle
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changed username to james rich-c: besides making moguls for offroad racers, what do you use the tractor for? Meeka: ha...ha....ha.... Pamela: how do I keep it tight and still wrap? james: hello BobS: and PRESTO, a frenchman's knot!!!!!!!! Pamela: Hi, James rich-c: good morning james BAIR: pamla your knot is to big i can see that from here Meeka: it doesn't need to be that tight when wrapping james: i seem to have overslept Judy: hold it tight after you wrap BobS: HIya James!!!!! Pamela: okay, trying again Meeka: after wrapping you hold the thread with tension BobS: baby oant he way yet???????? rich-c: yes, it muwt be near 11 in Japan, right? Meeka: and the put needle through fabric, james: it's 12:30 in the afternoon Judy: Sherri can't do them either, always brings them to me to do Meeka: follow the end of the needle down with your thumb... BobS: OUCH Pamela: at this rate, I may be too Judy: bring to convention rich-c: didnt realize the time difference was that large - 14 hours BAIR: pamela tie it to the car and put it in drive BobS: smart ALLEC james: yes, it's 14 during the winter, 13 when you guys go onto dst.. rich-c: gee, by that time even I'm up in the morning Judy: you guys are awful!!!!! Meeka: make sure that you keep tension on the thread, and pinch the knot and slowly pull the thread through
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changed username to Rich Drushel rich-c: hi Dr. D BAIR: hi rich BobS: hi Rich Rich Drushel: I am sorry that I am so late...just got back from Christina's band concert. Judy: you are making it more difficult, Meeka rich-c: finally got the girls to bed, did you? BobS: girls finally let ya have your computer eh? Meeka: sorry Rich Drushel: And the last n chat days I have always had something to keep me away from a terminal. Judy: hi, Rich BAIR: that sounds better bob Pamela: IT WORKED! Meeka: cool rich-c: sometimes things do break that way Rich Drushel: Is that *the* Bob Bair I see? BAIR: YEP Judy: good deel, congradulations Rich Drushel: Well howdy pardner, long time, no chat! BAIR: thank you judy rich-c: we're trying to get him to tell us what he does with his tractor BobS: yup rich and he is lwtting on that there might be light at the end of his AC14 tunnel Judy: they are easy once you get the nack Rich Drushel: oh boy oh boy Pamela: thanks, I just discovered another secret too - don't have too much thread in the needle BobS: there IS a country western song.......about a girl who thinks her beau's tractor is sexy......... Rich Drushel: I have really missed Bob and Virginia putting me in my place at ADAMcons... Pamela: Hi,, Rich BobS: maybe written about Virginia and BOB?!?!?!?!?! Pamela: where have you been? Rich Drushel: Where have I been, Pam? Pamela: yes Rich Drushel: Tonight, at Christina's band concert. BAIR: last summer we built a motor cycle track for tim and the guys rich-c: he's been here, it's you went missing Pamela: Only for one week Pamela: sheesh Judy: yes, but if you miss once you are forgotten rich-c: well, if you're entitiled, he's entitiled! Pamela: Okay ladies, I'm gonna try this again - let's see if the magic holds BAIR: one week end had 13 motor cycles herae Judy: it will Rich Drushel: Last Wednesday was Girl Scout stuff for Diana. Judy: how many do you need to make Rich Drushel: Saturdays have been various errands. Pamela: four rich-c: Dr.D., do you know offhand the website for the outfit that sells prepaid connection cards for the internet? BobS: saturdays are either busy or I ?FORGET Rich Drushel: No, Richard, I don't...in fact, I didn't know that there was such a thing. BobS: see??????? BobS: me neither rich-c: yes, you can buy the cards at outfits like Staples BobS: was even thinking about installing AOL for florida trip and then cancelling rich-c: I read about them, checked the website, but forgot to bookmark it (SHAME!!!) BAIR: there is here in indiana Rich Drushel: The only good thing I can say is that lab work hasn't been keeping me in the lab at night or weekends this semester. Rich Drushel: It's nice to work some 9-5 Mon-Fri and have only home stuff to do afterwards. Rich Drushel: Of course, there's been a lot of home stuff... rich-c: letting the seaq slugs get some sleep, are you? Rich Drushel: Mostly trying to get papers written and published. BAIR: they sell for $400 Rich Drushel: One paper in press in J. Exp. Biol. (I am 2nd author). Rich Drushel: Another paper in review at J. Exp. Biol. (me 1st author). Rich Drushel: Another paper ready to go out next week (me 2nd author). BAIR: good luck rich rich-c: fingers, toes and eyeballs crossed, Rich rich-c: publishing beats perishing Rich Drushel: Yeah, I need it: one reviewer for paper #2 has developed a probably fatal brain disease and is in the hospital...the journal didn't know, so they've been waiting him to send back his review, which naturally, he can't... rich-c: and in the meantime there's always the risk someone else will publish first Rich Drushel: Now we wait to see whether the editor will accept the paper with only one review returned, or will insist on finding a new reviewer--this would add 2 months. Pamela: who reviews this stuff, Rich? Rich Drushel: No risk of our stuff getting scooped: *nobody* in the world is doing slug modelling like we are. Nobody else has access to real-time hi-resolution MRI of feeding slugs like we do. rich-c: selected peers, Pam Rich Drushel: Reviewers are peers in the field, selected by the editor of the journal. Judy: Meeka, did you want something today? rich-c: and besides, they don't have Adams to help in their work, Rich! Rich Drushel: One prob with this reviewer getting sick is that there are very few other "peers" for our kind of work...and some of them are unfriends of my boss. Rich Drushel: Hey, my ADAM is in print in my 1997 J. Exp. Biol. paper. Rich Drushel: Figure 1 of Materials and Methods. rich-c: I know, and hope it's in a few of the new papers too Rich Drushel: And it's mentioned by name as a Coleco ADAM in the text. Rich Drushel: Alas not, because I haven't used that apparatus for any of the new work. rich-c: for shame! rich-c: guess you'll just have to design some new apparatus around it Judy: Rich, how often do you have to get new slugs? Rich Drushel: haha Meeka: no, just stopped to chit-chat Rich Drushel: Judy, it depends on how many people in the lab are using them. Meeka: whent to the grocery store today Rich Drushel: Right now, we have 6 students in the lab, so we go through maybe 5 per week. rich-c: slugs wear out fast, eh? BAIR: getting late see yea all late Rich Drushel: Other times, with less personnel, maybe 5 every month. Rich Drushel: Bye Bob. Pamela: they don't sound very durable, Rich Judy: I needed to go to the store too, but went away instead Judy: can't go tomorrow either rich-c: night Bob see you soon Pamela: Bye, Bair - nice to see you Rich Drushel: Not a matter of durability...using them is pretty fatal to the slugs, usually.
BAIR left chat session Pamela: does the ASPCA know about this? Meeka: why? rich-c: long as you don't have to go out in your wetsuit and get the replacements yourself... Judy: will have the boys tomorrow Meeka: ahhh BobS: ya get them form the "slug store"?????? Judy: sick day Tuesday Rich Drushel: Except for some behavioral studies this summer, in which slug movements were tracked for 5 days with video cameras, the slugs are usually sacrificed and certain parts removed for electrophysiological study. BobS: or the local aquarium......... Rich Drushel: A company in Californial called Marinus sends divers out and brings them back live. Pamela: they actually have parts? rich-c: bet that costs a mint Rich Drushel: A lab at U. Miami has a hatchery. rich-c: Bob, maybe you should do some diving when you're down south BobS: an idea Rixchard.......could make a few bucks on the side rich-c: pick up a little coin on the side Rich Drushel: With shipping (overnight, in a plastic bag of seawater inflated with 100% oxygen, shipped on ice), it is about $10 per animal. Judy: no, way, can't take them back in my luggage BobS: WHOA, where Rich Drushel: This is for slugs about 100-250 grams. BobS: 's me fins!!!!!! rich-c: there you are Bob, book a Cleveland stopover on your return Rich Drushel: For monsters approaching 1 kg, yeah, it's about $20 apiece. BobS: will they have to have picture id to get on the plane???????? Rich Drushel: And I worked with some 1 kg monsters earlier this year. Rich Drushel: For you non-metric types, remember that 1 kg = 2.2 lbs...that is a *big* slug. BobS: heck by thetime I pay for a seat , the profit is GONE rich-c: it's OK Rich, sooner or later Americans will figure out what all the rest of the world knows Pamela: the airline will probably want them to have their own seats Judy: no, way!!!!that will not go anywhere with me Pamela: no slugs in the carry on, Judy? Judy: ddidn't know they could get that big Rich Drushel: No sharp edges to slugs...can' Rich Drushel: can't be a weapon. Judy: noo Pamela: all you have to do is slime people to death BobS: oh, so we could let them crawl on to the plane by theirselves?????? Rich Drushel: These slugs ink more than slime, Pam. Pamela: well, the thought was there BobS: "ink" .........???????? Judy: egg shells in the garden will kill them, but is that the same thing Pamela: like octopi, right Rich rich-c: you mean Bob might find a by-products line too? Rich Drushel: Yes, ink, as in release purple ink, like a squid.
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changed username to rich-c George: Pamela: did we get dumped?
changed username to BobS Pamela: I'm okay Judy: bob just got thrown out rich-c: well, I certainly did Rich Drushel: Meesa here. BobS: yup, you are all gone!!!!! rich-c: got an alarm about internet access cut, ICMP time exceeded George: BobS: CARASH bang!!!!! Pamela: we're here Bob but you apparently aren't Pamela: James, you're so quiet - still asleep? BobS: I know, it is a bummer isn't it????? BobS: hair toaday gone tomorra George: rich-c: don't know quite what provoked that - maybe Dale's new ISP has some quirks? Pamela: George, whatever you're writing isn't coming up BobS: george, you are hitting enter, but not talkin Meeka: mom, hows the perm doing? BobS: FILTHY DOGS BobS: it si PERManent Meeka Judy: great Meeka: ya , ya BobS: didn't wven stink lst night in bedf Meeka: that's good BobS: course, i went ot sleep right quick too Pamela: thanks for the help with the knots, you two - they worked George: what is going on my writig is not coming through Judy: thank you, Sherri couldn' t have done it any time soon Rich Drushel: Richard, your message means that packets from your machine to the chat server took too many "hops". Packets have a "lifetime" to prevent traffic from bouncing around forever. If some hiccup in network routing occurs, your data could end up in a looop and eventually time out. BobS: glad I could HLEP Pam rich-c: now it is Meeka: good deal Pma Meeka: sorry that's Pam. Pamela: that's okay, I have a good ego rich-c: yes, but could that have happened to all of us at once?
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changed username to james Judy: good, our pleasure Rich Drushel: Only if you are all going through the same internet routing... rich-c: yes George BobS: only if we all had the hiccups at the same time Pamela: you should have her try it again - those were good instructions rich-c: welcome back james james: apparently i was bumped off. George: what happened? Meeka: yes, and I am plauged by these farn dingers ;-) Pamela: I wondered why you were so quiet, James rich-c: we were all dumped, james BobS: you are here again goergoe BobS: George Pamela: I have a set of those too, Meeka rich-c: Rich, could that mean the ISP Dale's using got overloaded? Rich Drushel: Sunspots...or solar flares. Judy: the backspace works great!!! Rich Drushel: Radiation left over from Mir, or something. Judy: corrects everything Pamela: yup, and I'm intimately acquainted with it - especially tonite Rich Drushel: "BOB" sending E-mail to the Xists. Judy: I use it all the time Meeka: not when you hit enter it doesn't ;-) Judy: that is what my mom says Pamela: no, then you go on like nothing happened Rich Drushel: Since I've probably missed it...any status report from Dale and Jill and little one? Meeka: I knnow rich-c: yes, all doing fine, they wre on earlier Rich Drushel: Glad to hear. Pamela: Dale and Jill are doing well - Jeff is growing like a weed and is cheerful -lucky them Judy: they are all great Judy: were on earlier rich-c: our current missing party is Ron - this is the second night he's missed Rich Drushel: Probably just prodigal, like me. Pamela: and me! BobS: maybe watching olypics Rich Drushel: You missed some chats, too, Pam? BobS: olympics Pamela: last week - got caught up in conversation with Russell and completely zoned George: its fixxed Rich Drushel: I want to see 90 m snowmobile jumping... Meeka: I am watching them now Judy: we are too james: no point in watching any "judged" events. Rich Drushel: Nothing wrong with getting zoned in a talk with your spouse, Pam. Rich Drushel: haha re: "judging" Pamela: what does everyone think of the pairs scandal? BobS: you got that right James Meeka: yes, I saw that Judy: hard to watch and type at the same tiem BobS: what a MESS james: it's a disgrace. Rich Drushel: Robbery, I think. Meeka: I coulnt quite figure it out George: fixed BobS: has alwasy been a disgrace as far as I could see james: i could care less if they were canadian or not, they were better than the russians. simple as that. Pamela: thank you - it's not just the Canucks who feel that way apparently Judy: awful, they should have got the gold Rich Drushel: Either some really old die-hard ex-Soviet bloc-ness, or payola. Meeka: no it isn't BobS: the stuff is hitting the fan though it seems BobS: and it should George: sell to the highest judge Rich Drushel: How come failed drug tests can get medals revoked, but not judge bribery? BobS: I have NO idea how to judge fairly without prejudice, but this system SUCKS (excuse the word) Judy: no, they had a call-in last night, 96% thought they should get the gold Pamela: the picture on the front page of our freebie paper had Steven Stills at the concert here last night holding a sign that said "Jamie and David - you wuz robbed!" BobS: true sentiment Rich Drushel: Well, have your mint make them some special gold medals :-) james: how do the russians feel? Rich Drushel: And put a Mr. Yuk design on some galvanized iron and send it to Moscow :-) BobS: and you can not blame the russian skaters......or can you......they stubbornly and aloof-ly took the metals and said the "deserved" them Judy: they were talking about it again tonight, they may get the gold yet Rich Drushel: Well, as a skater, you can only skate...unless you are part of the "fix". George: olympics completetly corrupted rich-c: no, the decision is irreversible james: personally, i'd rather earn a silver medal than receive a gold that i didn't. Meeka: I agree, it really can't be blamed on the athleats Rich Drushel: Maybe Tonya Harding was brought out of retirement to be the goon squad. rich-c: CNN claims it's a tradeoff with the French for support in ice dancing Pamela: actually, since Tonya is homeless at the moment, she might be looking for a payoff or two Rich Drushel: ? Tonya is homeless? Judy: maybe not they were saying tonight, just hasn't been done before Pamela: I have heard that theory more that once too Pamela: Yes, for non-payment of rent to the tune of $5,000\ james: what bugs me is you have the opening ceremonies, all the athletes make a pledge to "compete in fairness" and everything is nice and giving people Rich Drushel: Gack, how low can you get? Pamela: Well, after all we're talking Tonya Harding here, so pretty low james: the warm and fuzzies about "one humanity" and not two days later, it's devolved into bribery, drugs and squabbling. it's truly pathetic. Rich Drushel: She had talent...just couldn't seem to escape her trailer-trash upbringing, pardon me. rich-c: one writer claims it's already decided that in dance the Canadians will place fifth Rich Drushel: Well, what do you do, Richard? Come out and skate in the nude in protest or something? james: of course now that's all out in the open, it'll change. they can't very well award according to what the papers are writing. james: :D now *that* would be something rich :D Rich Drushel: Moon the judges? Pamela: she couldn't compete fairly Judy: that is why I don't like to watch the dance rich-c: I don't care about the olympics anyway so I'll do nothing Judy: they have had trouble for years and years rich-c: at least now everyone will know better than to bet on the results Pamela: I want Shae-Lynn and Victor to win! Rich Drushel: How about curling with an ADAM?? :-) Pamela: Isn't that similar to the boat anchor theory? Rich Drushel: Or better yet, the printer/power supply; it's heavier. rich-c: and a better shape james: yes, and far more useless :D Rich Drushel: printer has a convenient handle, use the platen bar :-) Pamela: Hey Bob, maybe that's what we should do this year - have an ADAM Olympics! Rich Drushel: Doesn't Ron have something to do with curling, or am I misremembering? rich-c: gotta take those little velcro feet off, though james: anyone here live in detroit? Rich Drushel: Replace with teflon. rich-c: bingo! Rich Drushel: No, but I'm 4 hours drive from it :-) BobS: tis a thought BobS: got a few dead ADAM's Pamela: so are we! Rich Drushel: Hey, we should pick a day and meet for lunch! rich-c: yes, but Rich drives more conservatively Pamela: but on which side of the border? james: what border? james: ;) rich-c: Canada, it's cheaper Rich Drushel: I don't care. Never been to Windsor. Pamela: Not missing much rich-c: hey, come on, live it up Rich Drushel: No casinos for me, thanks. rich-c: they even have a casino Rich Drushel: I am fool enough without more excuses to be parted from my money :-) Pamela: I go there a lot - I should know rich-c: well, casinos have restaurants, and parking james: i've been there. nice place. Pamela: Windsor I mean, not the casino BobS: whew thought youy were a gambling junkie Pamela: you need an excuse? rich-c: you could always take him to Tim Horton's for lunch Pamela: Yeah, maybe I'll get family discount! BobS: YEA Tim H's place Rich Drushel: Off-topic, but here's a news tidbit you folks should appreciate: rich-c: go Pamela: isn't that Timbit? BobS: stopped there for lunch on the way to Toronto 2 years ago.....didn't know what it was BobS: but it was the only thign around we could easily find Rich Drushel: "New Zealand Telecom has ordered an investigation after a customer received an account charging him a 'penalty for being an arrogant bastard'. Pamela: they're nothing if not ubiqitous, Bob Rich Drushel: "Aukland businessmen James Storrie discovered the $337.50 charge, printed under 'product or service', when he opened his mobile phone bill on Monday." Pamela: He probably deserved it rich-c: if NZ Tel is anything like Ma Bell, it should have been a credit BobS: did he do that commercial i see on tv......about the guy hhoolerign UP at the building Rich Drushel: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=939017&thesection=news&thesubsection=general Rich Drushel: (just read on alt.folklore.computers) Pamela: I hope you copied that, Rich Pamela: if you typed it, I give up Rich Drushel: Copied, I am not an automaton! james: :D Rich Drushel: bzzzt...error..`2KLASdl`09q2403 NO CARRIER rich-c: that's what cut and paste is for Pamela: thank you, Data Rich Drushel: No, it's the evil twin today... Rich Drushel: (twirls moustache) Pamela: oh, pardon me Lore Pamela: moustache? Pamela: scary Rich Drushel: Like a a mellerdrammer villain...of course Data and Lore are beardless... Pamela: no follicles Rich Drushel: Unless I mispelled moustache... Pamela: no, looks okay to me Rich Drushel: It is ou, isn't it? BobS: youboys and girls got to get OFF the caffeine!!!!!!! rich-c: clip it and run it through your spellcheck Rich Drushel: No caffeine for me now...just some chocolate ice cream. Pamela: Rich, we really have to make TNG fans of these people james: it's right Pamela: Thank, professor rich-c: chocolate is just LOADED with caffine james: lol Rich Drushel: "The security of the Enterprise is of Paramount importance"--Picard, with straight face (somehow) Pamela: before or after they crash land on the planet? Rich Drushel: I think it was actually from "Time's Arrow" part 2... Rich Drushel: Don't worry, I stopped memorizing episode titles after TNG went off the air. Rich Drushel: Didn't watch DS9 enough to learn them, and never watched Voyager after Season 1. Pamela: Voyageur yes, DS9 no rich-c: don't know where you get the time to watch tv -I never can Rich Drushel: "William Shatner's priceline.com commercials are more canonical than Star Trek:Voyager" Pamela: as far as I know, we have all the TNG episodes on tape - every single one Meeka: ok gang, I have to get going. see ya next week. Pamela: you have to make time Dad Rich Drushel: Richard, I have no time now...but TNG was 1988-1995, when I *did* have time. Rich Drushel: Bye, Meeka. rich-c: nite Meeka Pamela: Thanks again Meeka - appreciate the assistance Pamela: Good nite Meeka: no problem BobS: Richard you gotta quit sleeping so late, you are retired aftera ll.......... Judy: bye, Meeka Meeka: glad you got the hang of it Judy: see you soon Pamela: we'll see : ) BobS: night meeka rich-c: that's the point, Bob, I've got a working life's worth to catch up on Rich Drushel: So Pam, did you ever see Fellowship of the Ring?
Meeka left chat session BobS: I got to work and should retire so I have some time Pamela: nope, still haven't had time - but we will, don't worry rich-c: so the time I get up in the morning is decided by the time I go to bed in the morning Rich Drushel: Wait a little longer and you might get some trailers for The Two Towers (so say rumors). Judy: good night all talk to you in a couple of weeks BobS: time to got to bed kids.....the round one is not soming on so I am bummed.....and Herman is late also....... Pamela: note the a.m.s in that statement Rich Drushel: Bye Judy and Bob... rich-c: nite Judy Rich Drushel: Morning is the part of the day that comes at the end of the day, right? BobS: see, you sleep ALL morning!!!! rich-c: you're off too, Bob? Hope to hear from you from FL Pamela: good night Bob - good nite Judy - thank you for your help
(BobS groans loudly) Pamela: Have a good trip Judy: my pleasure Judy: will do BobS: thank ya, will see if we have time visit the chat group from SUNNY WARM FL Rich Drushel: Bad sequence of responses from Bob and Judy...
BobS left chat session Pamela: hey, I thought it worked! Rich Drushel: ROTFL
Judy left chat session rich-c: think you might be on Saturday, Rich? Rich Drushel: I hope so...let me check the grand calendar in the kitchen. Pamela: ah - the great kitchen oracle Pamela: everyone has one of those rich-c: I think I'm free if I can remember - Daytona 500 is Sunday Pamela: My father - the only person who plans his life around races rich-c: no, sometimes around real football, too Pamela: oh, sorry Pamela: forgot that Rich Drushel: Joan is evening shift Saturday...and I *may* have to go to some potluck dinner for parents of kids who are taking journalism at the high school (i.e., Christina). Pamela: how's that going for her? Rich Drushel: So Richard, which football is "real" for you, the American or European kind? rich-c: Canadian Pamela: the Canadian kind Rich Drushel: Journalism is working well for her, she's had some articles printed, and she had a page that was all hers to manage in the last issue. rich-c: three downs, proper size field, 12 men per team Rich Drushel: Haha, pardonez moi, I forgot about the Canadian kind...50 lashes for bad international relations. Pamela: That's great to know - I know she was looking forward to it when I talked to her in July Pamela: sheesh - these 'murricans Rich Drushel: (I probably spelled that bit of French wrong) Pamela: actually Rich, it's right james: :) i've seen worse, rich Rich Drushel: My Finnish friend is harrassing me too about the Olympics, as if it were my personal fault that NBC is trying to sell airtime to the lowest common redneck denominator here...and can't be bothered to use the right umlauts for German and Scandinavian names in captions. rich-c: that's OK, it's the pronunciations of the names that they really bungle Rich Drushel: I can't make "Americans" be good world citizens...I can just be one myself and hope for the best. rich-c: did you hear Rosie pronounce Sale and Pelletier? james: honestly though, any country is the same. Pamela: missed that one - what did she say? rich-c: sort of "Sal" and "Pettet-er" james: let me guess "sale" as in "on sale" and "pell-cher".. Rich Drushel: Are those both French names? (sorry, I don't recognize them) rich-c: yes, there's an e acute on Sale rich-c: she got forgiven on grounds her heart was in the right place Pamela: hmmm. Rich Drushel: My pal J-P is always annoyed that English speakers don't get the vowel and consonant lengths right when pronouncing Finnish names. Rich Drushel: In Finnish, a doubled letter is said twice. Pamela: We obviously need more practice Rich Drushel: The doubled letters can make a critical difference in meaning--changing an innocent word into an obscene one, for instance. rich-c: us racing fans are good on Finnish names - Hakkinen, Makinen james: yeah, everyone is always knocking english speakers though, as if we're supposed to know the pronunciation of every language. rich-c: and of course there are Finnish players in the NHL too Rich Drushel: But in English, the duration of sounds doesn't mean anything, except for emphasis or emotion. james: i've heard my name mangled pretty badly, and "james" isn't all that hard to pronounce.. Pamela: neither is Clee, but I've heard them all Rich Drushel: Big, biiig, biiiig mean the same in English, but could be totally different words in Finnish. rich-c: is there a cognate of the J sound in Japanese? Rich Drushel: Probably comes out as a y? james: yes but japanese vowels are somewhat different and there are no closed sounds (ie; consonantal endings) rich-c: and they must have real fun with the Carlo part james: it tends to get pronounced jems. james: he he, yeah my last name is translitterated as deka-ro Rich Drushel: Japanese versions of English words are rearranged to make them conform to the all-open-syllables rule. I.e., if two consonant sounds are together in English, a vowel will be inserted between them and one appended to the end. james: japanese have a sound between r and l, hence their notorious mangling of both sounds. Pamela: okay, try Stojcevski on for size rich-c: as in ba-se-ba-ru? james: stoy-shev-skee Pamela: pretty close - stoychefskee Rich Drushel: Are there haceks over the s and c letters? Pamela: unknown Pamela: How about Kucharczyk? Rich Drushel: If so, all s-->sh and c-->ch. rich-c: koo-char-sik? james: also, the japansee have a tendency to pronounce english "ah" like a long "o". Pamela: kooharchuk rich-c: Russian or Ukranian? rich-c: or Polish? rich-c: I'd guess Ukranian Pamela: Stojcevski, Macedonian. Kucharczyk, absolutely no idea james: i'd guess eastern bloc and wouldn't get beyond that. anyways, unless i decide to teach in my pajamas today, i should get dressed and eat brunch rich-c: makes a difference in pronunciation Pamela: you should hear people who try them for the first time on the board, and try spelling them to someone! Rich Drushel: The cz combination is hard for me to say, ch-zh (ch in church, zh as in azure or measure). rich-c: good afternoon then, james, and see you next week Rich Drushel: I guess the UN needs to make an emergency humanitarian vowel drop over Eastern Europe. james: will do :) Pamela: I'm sure your students would like it James. Rich Drushel: Bye James. Pamela: LOL, Rich Pamela: Have a good one, James james: yes, and a consonant or two that's not prepended to a vowel would do wonders here.. james: thanks! see you all next week, or on sunday if i can't sleep. rich-c: OK, we'll see Rich Drushel: Sleep...sounds like a good idea...today began at 4:55 AM... rich-c: yes, I think it's time to wind it down Pamela: James, remind me to tell you about my high school english teacher teaching a class in his underwear some time james: my day usually ends at that time. james: think you may have mentioned that to me pam! Rich Drushel: Okay, good night/day to all... james: *poof* Pamela: It's a memory I treasure rich-c: nite Rich
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Rich Drushel left chat session Pamela: It's bedtimre for all of us, I think. rich-c: and time for this old guy to log some ZZZs too rich-c: OK, goodnight George, goodnight Pam Pamela: Dad, I'll try to get over in the next couple of days - we'll see how things go rich-c: OK George: nite all Pamela: Sweet dream, Papa. Good nite, george rich-c: poof Pamela: poof
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