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changed username to George rich-c: hi George rich-c: I was getting lonely George: hi Rich rich-c: don't know where everybody is tonight George: where is everyone? rich-c: the Slopsemas are in Florida, but that shouldn't stop them rich-c: Guy is often late, as is Bob Bair rich-c: Pamela is likely watching tv and may turn up later rich-c: don't know what's with Ron these days rich-c: anyway, before any others arrive, something I wanted to mention George: ok rich-c: you see the third menu heading at the top - Rooms? George: yes rich-c: if you click on it and then one of the choices (like Hallway, maybe)
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: then you move to a separate screen rich-c: that way two people can talk "privately"
changed username to Snuffles MacSick George: ok Snuffles MacSick: heddo rich-c: oh dear Rich, the kids bring a bad one home from school? Snuffles MacSick: part of me thinks I'm going to die. the rest wishes I could rich-c: sounds more like the flu Snuffles MacSick: whatever. I'm looking for sympathy rich-c: sympathy rich-c: see, there it is Snuffles MacSick: It's actually the west coast rich-c: yes, the second line let me twig to that rich-c: I was about to change it to too much curling Snuffles MacSick: haven't much choice but to watch the events of the Olympiad Snuffles MacSick: hockey curling skeleton whatever rich-c: are you making up for your absence the last couple weeks by being early this time? Snuffles MacSick: again- no other choice. Had to cancel my meeting rich-c: meeting? Snuffles MacSick: some clouds have silver linings Snuffles MacSick: yes..... I'm chair of an event happening in May, and our planning meetings have taken over this time here rich-c: me, I'm mostly working on my computer Snuffles MacSick: so much for directive leadership rich-c: I'm having problems Snuffles MacSick: OH? rich-c: my help file is deficient
Snuffles MacSick changed username to Ron Ron: how so? rich-c: it has no entry for "possession, demonic" Ron: are you possessed? rich-c: no, but the computer seems to be George: it just has a mind of its own Ron: Joy. General Failure and Murphy collaborating?
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: it crashed out of Norton, froze in Explorer, gave a GFP on Freecell - just for starters
changed username to Guy B. rich-c: hello Guy, how's Chicago George: reformat Ron: From the "take my advice I'm not using dept" Ron: erase the whole damn thing and start again Ron: Hello Guy rich-c: reformat and have to reinstall everything? - you can't be serious George: format c: /u Ron: yep
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changed username to Meeka rich-c: looks like Guy's having trouble getting in Meeka: Hello rich-c: no, it's Meeka Ron: Hi Meeka rich-c: heard from the folks yet? Meeka: how is everyone? Meeka: yes
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changed username to Guy B. Meeka: they made it to flordia just fine rich-c: ah, now Guy is back Ron: where in Fla? rich-c: did Bob get the information on Slingshot? Guy B.: Ok, I'm back. Got some good news and bad news. rich-c: go Guy
Guy B. left chat session rich-c: that wasn't the go I meant - but then I don't think he took it that way. either George: what happened? rich-c: looks like Guy is having problems of some sort Meeka: they are on the east side of the state. I don't remember what city the g-parents live in off hand Ron: ic Ron: =I see rich-c: Bob said Ft. Lauderdale and there's a Slingshot number there - I checked rich-c: it's down on the southern side a few suburbs north of Miami
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changed username to Guy B. Ron: so what's the bad news Guy? rich-c: going to stay a while now, Guy? Guy B.: Ok, third time's the charm. Ok, the bad news is the Athlon mouse and keyboard ports have gone out. Meeka: brb. need to go get a drink Ron: sounds like a plan Meeka rich-c: (huh - I've needed one all day. Bet Guy could stand a stiff one too) Guy B.: I cannot use the Athlon. The good news is I got Netzero working on the P133 and that's what I'm on tonight. Ron: I am going to stay clear of new computers methinks Ron: There's no box like and old box rich-c: right. if it ain't an Adam, be suspicious Ron: exactly Guy B.: I had this computer one year and it looks like I might need a new motherboard. My P133 I had five years and the only thing I had to replace was a bad hard drive two years ago. rich-c: Guy, any idea if your failure is software or hardware? Ron: surprises me not. Quality control has become a discretionary item rich-c: sort of like turn signals on the new cars Guy B.: It's hardware. Win98 failed to recognize the mouse and no response from the keyboard. Not even a warning before it booted up. rich-c: sounds like the serial ports have gone away rich-c: wonder if ti's fixable (loose connection, whatever) or total toast? Guy B.: The serial ports work, so do the USB, everything else works except the PS/2 ports which have the mouse and the keyboard. Guy B.: It's an ATX motherboard. Meeka: ok i here Ron: you got your BIOS settings in order? rich-c: well, that's just the size measurement, and the most common nowadays Guy B.: BIOS is fine. In fact, since I cannot use the keyboard, I cannot get that up. Ron: Lordy (total change of subject) these Linux screen savers are getting better each build rich-c: could you find a PS/2 to USB adapter to put the keyboard on? Ron: my PII displaying a flaming lower area with a flaming face coming out of it....grinning and smoking a pipe rich-c: I know my mouse has a PS/2 adapter on a USB cord Ron: my demon Guy B.: I tried that yesterday. A friend from work gave me one. The system just hung there untl I removed the cable. Ron: anyway....sorry to change the subject rich-c: does he have black leathery wings, Ron? Ron: nope. no wings, just a head and it's grinning Guy B.: I'm going to contact the dealer where I got it from to see if he can help me out. Ron: looks like a red hot version of Rick Nelson rich-c: yes, it should still be under warranty - you havent had it that long Guy B.: I bought the kit back in January of last year. rich-c: what make of motherboard do you have, Guy? Guy B.: It's an M800LMR Ron: must write that down rich-c: that sounds like a model number - who makes it? Guy B.: That's the name of the board. It also says PC200 Systemboard. rich-c: sounds like a Chinese discount special - maybe that's the problem Ron: mm rich-c: if the maker won't put his name on it - don't trust it Guy B.: And I saw this identical barebones computer at the Central Computer Show last month and that can use an Athlon 900. Same case and motherboard. rich-c: barebones motherboards in my experience are not a good buy Guy B.: Well the P133 is a barebones and it still runs great after 5 years. rich-c: yes, but is that good judgment or good luck? rich-c: my AMD K6-166 runs fine after everal years too Guy B.: I would say judgement since that motherboard is a Micronics. rich-c: well, at least it has a name on it Guy B.: Meeka, is Doug near by? rich-c: not one I know - are they still in business? Guy B.: Yes, it's part of Micron. rich-c: heard teh name but I'm not familiar with it Ron: brb Guy B.: They built custom PC's. Best Buy sold them for a time. rich-c: oh, OK, basically "white box" assemblers, then rich-c: they can be good or they can be bad rich-c: like cakes, the quality depends on the ingredients Guy B.: But, that manufacturer should backup their work. Meeka: yes, he is here, but kinda involved in hiis on-line game like usual rich-c: yes, but first you have to find them to ask them to do it Guy B.: Meeka, ask Doug if it's possible that a short could cause a part of PS/2 ports to go out without warning? rich-c: some motherboards like Asus or AOpen or Gigabyte or MSI, everyone sells and they have agents nearby Guy B.: Tigerdirect sells Gigabyte motherboards. rich-c: yes, they make a wide line from cheapie stinkers to quite well up the high end Meeka: he says that a power surge could cause it, but it is hard to tell rich-c: Guy, you wouldn't run a computer without surge protection, would you? Guy B.: Hmm, I have the computer on a powersurge strip. I'll have to have someone look at the board to find out what happen. rich-c: trouble is these days, a new board is cheaper than an hour of tech help rich-c: just for kicks, have you tested the keyboard and mouse on your other computer and do they work? Guy B.: I'm leaning towards that optin Rich. But, I may have someone install it for me. Guy B.: I tried three different keyboards and mice including from the P133 and no dice. rich-c: well, if you can pin the trouble down to a pretty exact area, fixing may be economical rich-c: yes, but did you try the Athlon keyboard and mouse with the P133? Ron: a little bit of problem isolation goes a long way sometimes Guy B.: When I bought the computer. It came with a pair of speakers, mouse and keyboard. rich-c: Meeka, did you get my email about Slingshot and did you pass the info to Bob? Guy B.: No, I haven't. I should try it to be sure. Meeka: e-mail? when did you send it? rich-c: last week, I think Ron: Finland Canada hockey about to start in Salt Lake City Ron: every 4 years I become a hockey fan rich-c: used the address given on your website rich-c: also sent two others to Bob Guy B.: Our U.S. mens hockey team have a good chance to win a medel this time. Meeka: not sure, I checked it today, but nothing really stood out. Didn't really pay to close oof attention though Ron: they sure put the shoes to Germany earlier rich-c: yes, the US team haws come together well Meeka: I will have to doublr check later. rich-c: better maybe than our guys Ron: could be Rich Meeka: don't have my e-mail set up on my laptop yet rich-c: if Bob got the message he could join us tonight Ron: hence, the Slingshot rich-c: Slingshot is an instant ISP in many US cities - ten hours, ten bucks Ron: Like a Vancouver Island 'tin can and string' on steroids rich-c: I will likely get it and bring my laptop to Adamcon Ron: neat rich-c: Slingshot isnt in Canada yet - they have plans but they're indeterminate Guy B.: Mine will come too and I may even bring a tower computer with Adamserve on it. rich-c: that should be fun, Guy - I would be interested to see it rich-c: but my idea is simply to be able to join in the Saturday night chat at the 'con Ron: this year I will travel uncharacteristically light Ron: If I were to take my usual load, I wouldn't make it across the border Meeka: imagine that ;-) Ron: yeah right! Guy B.: I'm going to add DOS in addition to Win95 that's on the P75. rich-c: maybe you should drive down to Seattle and hop Soutwest to the 'con, Ron Ron: that'll make a good ADAMserve box Guy Ron: there's never been a cost advantage in that Rich. Although each year I check Guy B.: Fortunately that compuer has two serial ports. The mouse is on one of them. The other I can use for Adamserve. Ron: from Vancouver maybe rich-c: the prices I've heard for Southwest are really terrific, Ron - you might check their website rich-c: I think they have an over-65 deal that's double digits anywhere they fly Ron: we'll see Ron: I have my own sources here, and they've always done pretty well by me Guy B.: Ron, it would be far cheaper to fly Southwest from Seattle to Grand Rapids. Check out their website, Ron: but I'm not over 65 Ron: yet rich-c: OK, so you pay $139 or something - big deal Ron: yes, but I have to get to seattle first Ron: I tell you, it just doesn't work from here rich-c: aye, there's the rub Ron: believe me we've tried rich-c: it's not that long a drive, but what do you do with the car till you're back? Guy B.: How long will it take you from Vancouver to Seattle? Ron: 6 hours plus 2 hour ferry ride rich-c: Van to Seattle is only a couple of hours Ron: no it was more than that when I drove it back rich-c: for the Adamcon there we flew to Van and rented a car rich-c: but you have to get from Comox to Vancouver first rich-c: after that, maybe Geoff could help Ron: Jeff rich-c: SORRY! Ron: he keeps telling me Ron: I'll get there one way or 'tother rich-c: and relies on you to pass it on? Ron: yeah rich-c: big article in the Star lasst week Guy B.: Jeanene and I celebrated Abby's birthday last week. She's now officially a senior at age 8. rich-c: about all the Toronto folks driving to Buffalo to fly to US destinations rich-c: how much is that in cat years, Guy? Ron: for me it's a matter of convenience. I get on a plane, and then I get off Guy B.: In dog years that's 56 years. Meeka: Rich, where is Pam tonight? Ron: aha rich-c: that doesn't make a senior, Guy rich-c: I don't know - she was here last night and said she'd be on Guy B.: Yes, it does. Dogs are considered senior's between 7 & 9 years old. Depends on the breed and size. My vet recommended I start her on senior food at age 8. rich-c: brought over he cross-stitch and showed off the French knots Ron: 1-0 Canada Ron: YAY! Meeka: well, it is always exciting when you finally figure out new stitches rich-c: early days, Ron. Don't get too sanguine Ron: ok rich-c: but it is better than the other way round rich-c: assume you know Bekarus picked off Sweden today rich-c: Belarus Ron: oh yes Ron: wouldn't want to be inside tommy salo's head right now Ron: salo? salow? rich-c: salo I think rich-c: unfortunately Harold Ballard cured me of any enthusiasm for hockey Ron: and may others I dare say Ron: Meeka - a question Meeka: yes Ron: up on my Apple website there are some older ADAMcon pics - They been there for a while. They were meant for you Meeka: ok Ron: to download and put in the collection. gonna change them soon for some more, did you get them yet? Ron: once I get another roundtuit Ron: there will be more rich-c: you have a website, Ron? Meeka: no, I guess I have been busy lately Meeka: what was the sddress agian? Ron: oh it's just a preformated space that Apple provides. Meeka: address that is Ron: will give you the site url....just a sec George: rich-c: Guy, you're very quiet - off multi-tasking? rich-c: George, are you still with us? George: yes i goofed and hit the wrong key rich-c: you're stealinhg my lines Guy B.: I was getting a package ready to ship this Saturday. I won't be working that day since out IT dept is doing system maintenance this weekend. rich-c: I think there is one key which if hit unintentionally will knock you right out of chat George: don't hit it rich-c: hey, you know that Adam I shipped last week? It arrived today rich-c: George, if I knew which one it was, I wouldn't rich-c: just a week to West Virginia is startling for the USPS George: i have to find that money order again rich-c: whatever, whenever, George
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changed username to Ron Ron: Oh Oh... I'm doube rich-c: it's OK, ignore it and it will go away Ron: Disregard Meeka - looks like my website has expired Ron: so I'll get the pics to you rich-c: sure you haven't just forgotten the url, Ron? Ron: No, I have the url, because I just went to the site and looked it up Ron: tried to access it, and was unable rich-c: you and Meeka are both on cable so should have bandwidth to burn, Ron Ron: webspace, bandwidth yup rich-c: it isn't like sending a big file to us dialup folks who need a day to download it Ron: I hope I don't do that Ron: used to be a dialup person rich-c: if its any consolation, I've never caught you at it Ron: remember it well Ron: ok George: i'm on dialup tonight rich-c: on chat, no one can tell the difference Ron: find it was ok for Chat George, but downloads were another matter Ron: but even on cable there can be difficulties George: i know Ron: just downloaded 3 CD's worth of Linux Distro. And for some reason I couldn't find a mirror that would give me any Ron: more than 12 K per second Ron: usually it's around 80 K /sec for shorter files George: winmx is slow even on dsl Ron: these were 600 Meg plus per CD image Ron: so they took all night pretty much Ron: found the throughput varying all the way between 3 k/sec and 18k/sec rich-c: yes, your connection speed is meaningless if the server you're using is overloaded Ron: yeah Ron: so for stuff like that, Mac does the night shift Ron: and I sleep rich-c: it's the only realistic way Ron: yup Ron: becoming a Linux distribution junkie.... in addition to my other junkies Guy B.: OK, folks I'm going to go. I'll keep you all informed on what I find out with the Athlon. I'll try to be here on Saturday if I'm not to tied up. Otherwise see you next week. Meeka: buy guy Ron: Yes Guy please do. Would like to know about that rich-c: OK Guy, I will try to remember to be on - see you then Ron: ya never know.. i too might have an 800 meg motherboard some day rich-c: with a G4 of course, Ron Ron: wellllll Guy B.: Maybe I'll have a better one with a processor I can upgrade later. Ok, see you all later. Ron: maybe,
Guy B. left chat session rich-c: nite Guy Ron: niters Guy George: i'm looking for a P4 rich-c: I know my motherboard is good up to 2 gig but I don't know how much faster Ron: Thinking I have to get up above 500 meg soon - they're starting to appear second hand Ron: Toronto probably has stores full of them rich-c: in Wintel you're right, lots of 500 mhz around rich-c: but in respectable computers, the market is thinner Ron: I believe ya rich-c: still, I'm trying to suggest to Frances she get a new hard disc for the Amiga rich-c: outfit here has a 9-gig SCSI for $139 Ron: what's she running now? Ron: not bad. SCSI's are usually pricier rich-c: the original 80 meg and a 1 gig rich-c: they also have a 36 gig SCSI for about 239 Ron: there was a time when that would have been plenty
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changed username to Pamela Pamela: Hi, sorry I'm late rich-c: hello daughter, you're late Ron: well hello there rich-c: you're lucky Meeka is still here Meeka: hey Pam you made it Pamela: I was schmoozing with my best bud Ron: that's allowed rich-c: which one? Pamela: well, it's been forever since I saw Kimberly - we're both so busy rich-c: yes, and she lives a whole five floors down Pamela: which is pretty silly when you consider that we live four floors apart Pamela: She says hello, by the way rich-c: thanks, and do pass my hello right back Pamela: I will Ron: yes likewise Pamela: How are you Ron, and why are you showing up twice? Ron: Don Cherry is making a fool of himself again rich-c: you mean as usual, Ron Pamela: so what else is new? Ron: I know Pam. I left once, and failed to de-materialize Ron: To answer your question - I've been better Pamela: that doesn' Ron: mother and I have had flu for the past 5 days rich-c: now he doesn't know which one to boot Pamela: tsound good Ron: snuffle rich-c: can't tell the corporeal from the spook Pamela: ick Ron: So as I said earlier, I'm looking for sympathy Pamela: Poooor Ron Ron: thank you Pamela: want the cold I've had for five weeks instead? Ron: negative, dear rich-c: you didn't tell us about that last night, Pam Pamela: it's all but gone now, Dad Ron: Mother gave me mine rich-c: I hope you didn't leave it here when you left Pamela: I hope not too. It wasn't my intention to leave any extras Pamela: anything we need to give you sympathy for, Meeka? Ron: I always know that something is wrong when I don't feel like going near the fridge George: someone take my crohn's please Ron: is that true George? You got that? Pamela: That isn't communicable, is it George? George: yes Ron: more serious I think Meeka: not right now. I am finally over my sinus infection I have been fighting for the last coouple weeks Pamela: Pooor Meeka. Those are nasty. Ron: ok.... now I know who to blame rich-c: anyway, any of the rest of you end up with surplus sympathy, George needs it Ron: yes I'd say so Rich George: it was passed down from my mother Pamela: do you want sympathy George? Ron: hereditary? rich-c: not want, Pamela - need Ron: must be eh? George: no just a break Pamela: I wish we could give you that : ( Ron: some of us have heavier crosses to bear than other methinks rich-c: amen Pamela: George can I ask questions? Pamela: or rather, may I? George: yes Pamela: How does it affect your day to day living? George: i'm kinda tied to the bathroom all day rich-c: George, if you want to keep it private, you and Pamela can move to another room George: sorry Pamela: no, don't apologize rich-c: just click on room, follow the arrow right on the first line, and click Hallway Ron: no need Pamela: None of us are shy - we just didn't want you to be uncomfortable George: right now my body is very stiff Pamela: is that unusual? Ron: sounds like no fun rich-c: that's the weather today rich-c: it's getting to me too - been on the limp all day George: it goes with crohn's arthritis rich-c: goes with any arthritis, as I'm finding out to my pain George: yes that too Pamela: Dad, were you limping last night? I didn't notice if you were rich-c: I wasn't as bad last night, but I have been having problems Pamela: George, do any of the usual OTC medications help? rich-c: you don't use OTC stuff for arthritis George: not really i have my meds. prescribed by my doctor Meeka: we I had better get going rich-c: I guess you'd need a cox inhibitor, George Meeka: see you next week rich-c: I doubt your digestive system could stand NSAIDs Pamela: goodnite Meeka rich-c: nite Meeka Ron: nite Meeka Pamela: I'll be earlier next week Meeka: ok Pamela: : )
Meeka left chat session George: no, they tear my stomach apart rich-c: not surprised Ron: I'm just looking at some of the symptoms on a website Ron: boy! rich-c: I can still tolerate two Arthrotec a day, but even my iron guts let me know it's there Pamela: what have you found, Ron? rich-c: bad news, isn't it, Ron Ron: you bet George: most of the time i take darvocet for pain Pamela: Wow, that's powerful stuff George: yes rich-c: when you can't tolerate all the usual analgesics, you use what you can live with Ron: So George, I take it you can manage (some days) but there's no cure? George: sometimes they boost it to oxycotin George: no cure yet Pamela: now that's one I haven't heard of rich-c: don't know that one - have a hunch I don't want to Pamela: is it a narcotic? Ron: and is it also used to treat shingles? George: most powerful here in US Ron: rings a bell. Think 3 years ago whan Mom had that they tried oxycotin Ron: and she had to sign for it rich-c: ah - does the "co" indicate coedine content? George: its been in the news here for overdose deaths Ron: indeed rich-c: sounds like it may have coedine Pamela: that's codeine, Dad rich-c: sorry, my spellcheck doesnt work in chat Pamela: I peeked at my T1 bottle Ron: I wouldn't have noticed rich-c: anyway, that's part of the opiate group Pamela: Was there an article on oxycotin in People recently? Pamela: re the overdose deaths, that is George: i'm not sure Ron: I shall no longer complain about my condition rich-c: as I think you know, George, Canada isn't quite so hysterical about the opiates rich-c: we can buy some mild codeine compounds on an OTC basis George: it says its a chloroform derivitive in my pdr Ron: encouraging rich-c: now that's interesting George: i'm glad i don't take it much rich-c: given the risks, I'd expect that rich-c: Ron, how's the game going? Ron: Still 1-zip canada rich-c: I'd be happier with a thicker cushion Ron: If it wasn't for the Finnish goaltender it would be much more than that Pamela: how far in, Ron? Ron: half way thru 2nd period Ron: 13 min gone in the 2nd rich-c: hot goalies are bad news when it's the opposition that has them Ron: problem now is the fluke goal Pamela: and that shoot out rule doesn't help Ron: Brodeur has only had to handle about 6 shots rich-c: or someone getting impatient and taking a bad penalty Ron: yup Pamela: well the Finns thought they were going to walk all over us - I'm glad we're proving them wrong rich-c: if all the play is in Finland's end, they've got to not get overconfident and allow a breakaway Ron: think that is what everyone was afraid of Ron: so far, they're being out played rich-c: well, we sure have a bunch of effective shooters rich-c: but the lack of the centre red line can catch our guys out Ron: All's I know is that I will sit through and completely enjoy an Olympic hockey game Pamela: even if they are pros - but that's a soapbox for another night Ron: and I can't quite figure why. They're mostly all NHL players Ron: aha Pamela: no fights? Ron: 2 - 0 Canada Ron: Lemiux Pamela: YAY! rich-c: yes, but they're playing a short series for joy - it makes a difference Ron: I think so. Ron: There has been little pushing and shoving Pamela: good - I've never liked the thought of hockey as a blood sport Ron: oh oh Ron: 2-1 Canada Ron: here we go Pamela: dang Ron: I can remember high school coaches yelling at me... that my job on defence Ron: Sob in another sweater Ron: away from the front of the net Ron: didn't happen here Ron: Jeff just phoned rich-c: gotta give the goalie a chance to see what's coming Ron: gonna have to drop out guys rich-c: see you next week, Ron Pamela: well, it's bedtime anyway I think Pamela: so g'nite Ron Ron: yup late perhaps but ill be there Ron: nite rich-c: nite
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