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changed username to Dale Dale: Hi Rich. rich-c: hi Dale Dale: Did you get in okey? rich-c: see you managed to boot the ISP into connecting you Dale: I've been up since about 8:30pm. rich-c: yes, and I've sent a mailing to the list saying you're up rich-c: what is going on with your ISP, anyway?
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changed username to George rich-c: hello George George: Hi Rich rich-c: George, do you know what Google is? George: i'm on my P100 George: a search tool rich-c: yep - ever used it? George: many times
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changed username to Dr. D. rich-c: Good. Do so again after you sign off. Use "Lenape: as your search term. You will be glad you did. rich-c: Hi Rich George: ok Dr. D.: Hello. rich-c: Rich, has the magazine I sent you arrived yet? Dale: I don't know what's up with my ISP, but I find my server is off the next about 8 days a month. Dr. D.: I actually logged into the coleco chat first, thinking this one would be down :-) Dr. D.: Re: magazine, yes, it came yesterday. George: hi Dr. D rich-c: how about naming the ISP so we know which one to avoid? rich-c: good, Rich, I think you will find certain of the major stories very interesting George: oh no my graphics card is going Dale: ica.net -- my bigest problem is that their tech support is only until 9pm. I usually think about this stuff at 10:30pm. rich-c: seems unlikely, George. Maybe it's loose Dr. D.: Hope to read the mag in detail after this weekend's grading of robot course design notebooks. George: the colors keep changing Dr. D.: As for me and ISPs, I am getting ADSL here at home, install date no later than 13 May. rich-c: good - let me know what you think about it next week, Rich Dr. D.: Too many people using the computer/phone line. rich-c: Fortunately I don't have that problem, though Frances is getting to be more and more of a surfer rich-c: but for ADSL here they want about $600 a year before taxes Dr. D.: Well, it's mostly Elanor needing to use the computer for schoolwork and Christina wanting to use a voice line to talk to friends. rich-c: wouldn't a second voice line be cheaper? George: Rich-c there is a letter headed your way with a money order in it Dr. D.: Through my ISP, ADSL on the existing phone line is cheaper than voice line + 2nd phone line + current dialup 56K access. rich-c: of course then you'd have to settle a few squabbles between the girls... rich-c: OK George, I will of course deal with it on arrival rich-c: make sure you have your full mailing address in it Dr. D.: ADSL is $50/month, no setup fee. Only extra hardware is $150 router plus a couple of $8 microfilters for the 2 extension phones. Dr. D.: Current voice line is $30/month, current dialup access is $20/month, extra phone line would be another $30/month. Dr. D.: So, at that point, why not ADSL? rich-c: makes sense, Rich rich-c: see we've lost George rich-c: wonder if his graphics card really did blow? rich-c: I suspect Ma Bell wouldn't sell me ADSL since I use pulse dial Dr. D.: Not sure about that...depends on if ADSL modem can understand pulse dials.
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: no, Ma Bell here has a thing about pulse - they want to kill it
changed username to George rich-c: welcome back, George - noticed you fell off George: aol bumped me rich-c: ah yes - they're the outfit that says access may be limited, especaily in peak periods rich-c: Dale, what sort of connection are you using for this? George: if i get bumped again i'll switch to DSL rich-c: yes, for chat it doesn't matter, George, just pick the more reliable one Dale: This server is on DSL, on the principle that it would work well. George: my dsl connection is more reliable Dr. D.: Most ISPs do not like users to have servers on DSL. rich-c: sure I can't sell you a new ISP? Very reliable and easy to get along with Dale: The problem is mostly not with the ISP, but after 4 months, I still haven't figured out what exactly is wrong. Dr. D.: Mine will allow them if you pay $10 more per month, for "hobbyist" use. Too much traffic, and they will bill you at business rates--$100/month. Dale: Lately I've been rebooting the DSL modem and PC to bring up the chat. rich-c: OK, if it drops us suddenly we'll all go visit with Dr. D. on his site Dr. D.: That *is* up tonight, I was just there. rich-c: and Bob and Guy weren"t? Dr. D.: Nope, nobody was there when I dropped by. I can look again...
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: I did send an email around, but they might have just gone there anyway George: i went to the backup site first Dr. D.: Nobody is there.
changed username to BobD BobD: AH HA!!!!! rich-c: hello, BobD
BobD changed username to BobS BobS: like dat betta???????? rich-c: you sound suspiciously like BobS rich-c: yeaaaahhhh George: hi Bob Dr. D.: Holla BobS. rich-c: we were just wondering whre you'd got to George: oh thunder here BobS: hi ALL BobS: oh well, time will tell rich-c: that's ok, long as you have a surge arrestor on your power bar and phone line rich-c: of course that doesn't help if the power or phone go out George: not for this computer rich-c: but it does prevent damage to your equipment BobS: well usually power but not phone line rich-c: well, since a P100 is currently worth about $25, it's a small loss anyway if you get hit George: the main computer has all the surge protection rich-c: I have a whole-house surge arrestor, then another on the phone jack which is in the power bar
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changed username to Guy B. rich-c: hi Guy Guy B.: Greetings Everyone! George: i think my apartment needs rewiring BobS: hi Guy George: hi GUY rich-c: probably, George, most do if they're of any age
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changed username to Judy rich-c: hi Judy Guy B.: Hi Judy. rich-c: come to keep an eye on the old man? George: i have too many color TVs rich-c: well, sell the surplus George: hi Judy Dr. D.: Note for BobS: Elanor wants to come to ADAMcon 14... Guy B.: Bob, you better let her come. rich-c: doeds that mean you'll bring her, Rich? BobS: Judy is instant messaging with Meeka right now guys. have to wait for her George: some run on batteries BobS: Well tell Elanor we woudl LOVE to have her!!!!! Dr. D.: Assuming that I have saved enough quatloos, yes :-) BobS: Would like to see the whole Drushel family, but may have to wait........
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changed username to Dr. D. rich-c: I suspect there's quite a backlog of them waiting for you, Dale Dr. D.: Rats, closed the wrong window. rich-c: though too many send them to -list rather than -admin Guy B.: It happens Dr. D. rich-c: had to correct Michael Hurst on that couple of days ago Guy B.: Like Mike Hurst did on Monday. Guy B.: I did the same thing. Dr. D.: So did any of you peek at my Egg Hunt webcast Sunday? There were a couple of IP addresses from .ca in the log. rich-c: unfortunately, the NASCAR race at Fontana proved more exciting than usual... George: i never noticed the color shift on the screen of this computer before Judy: hi, everyone Guy B.: I was too late coming online to see it. I was testing some games out on the Athlon. Had some trouble with the video, but I fixed that. George: Hi Judy Dr. D.: Well, sometime soon I hope to have archival video put up on the lab RealServer...you can watch it that way. rich-c: sounds good, Rich - those hunts are a hoot Dr. D.: This one worked well technically, and the audience was large and entertained, but the robots were ptui this semester IMHO. rich-c: by the way, it isn't RealPlayer8 anymore - it's Real! Dr. D.: Not on my Macs it's not :-) Dale: Guy, I've updated your address. Judy: they needed Doug and Bob to make them rich-c: yeah, Real likes to exploit the DOSboxers first, there's more of us and we're dumber Guy B.: Thanks Dale. Guy B.: How's Jill and the baby doing? BobS: you just gotta show the students the SUPER BOT as an example!!!!! Dr. D.: RealX stuff has become annoying nagware...but there's not much alternative out there in free players. Real wants $2K for a full RealServer license, $200 for a RealProducer license...but they have free (limited options/users) versions of both, buried deep on their website. Dr. D.: Streaming QuickTime has no freeware content creation tools. rich-c: a lot of the folks offering crippled freebies don't make it easy for you to find them Dr. D.: And *nix based stuff will not reach the average user, if I want people to see. Guy B.: I have Quicktime on the Athlon and some short movies of the L system here in Chicago and they run very well. Dr. D.: Our course will never have the $2K for our own full-featured RealServer. rich-c: in honesty, would you really be able to extract $2K worth of useful work out of it? Dr. D.: But, I've never maxed out the 25-user-limit on the free, 1-year-and-it-destructs version of RealServer that I keep downloading every year. Dr. D.: No. I need it for the Egg Hunt. And for the actual Egg Hunt, I've gotten my ISP to host the RealServer part. Dr. D.: But for test purposes, it's nice to have a local RealServer to stream to during the last couple weeks of the course. rich-c: haven't gone into the code and changed the expiry date, or do they keep tweaking it anyway? Guy B.: So, it works out? Dr. D.: The license file is in XML format with an encrypted registration key, coded to the date you downloaded it from real.com. Dr. D.: Change it, and it changes the checksum or whatever, and it won't work. Guy B.: Sounds complicated! Dr. D.: And rolling back the system clock is just too desperate. rich-c: yes, you'd have to get pretty deep into the code for that, just fiddling in the registry wouldn't work then Dr. D.: Long gone are the days when you can (on a Mac platform) use ResEdit to change some simple strings. Guy B.: I bet it gives you a headache trying to figure it out. George: i had enough pulling my chip Dr. D.: I remember looking at how MS Word 1.0 for Mac stored the registration info, way back in the Mac Plus days. Dr. D.: It was simply some Pascal-style strings (byte indicating the number of characters in the string, then the string), the last string Dr. D.: terminated with 00. rich-c: the Windows registry is more and more accessible - and easier and easier to crash, I gather Dr. D.: So I changed our lab's copy to be registered to "Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Scotty". Guy B.: Very clever. Dr. D.: Using a disk editor not unlike Norton Utilities in hex mode. rich-c: puts a new kind of space in the word processor Dr. D.: I think MS Multiplan 1.0 for Mac did it similarly but swapped the nibbles in each hex byte. Dr. D.: Or maybe I'm thinking of a text adventure game that used something like that to encrypt the text messages in the executable binary. Dr. D.: I remember writing a little QuickBASIC program to swap the nibbles, and then I could read all the good (and bad) stuff that could happen in the game. rich-c: when it comes to manipulating code, I'm gone rich-c: in fact I was never there George: it's time for devilsfood double fudge cake Dr. D.: Even the "surfnazi" Easter Egg input in ADAMcalc was more sophisticated than that. Guy B.: Oh no. Just what I don't need! rich-c: OK George, cut it up and mail each of us a piece Dr. D.: Mmmm, chocolate..... Dr. D.: So Richard, where is your daughter this evening? George: email it in the transporter? rich-c: don't know, but West Wing won't be over till 10, so maybe we'll find out then Dr. D.: ha. Dr. D.: Not sure I'll be here by then... rich-c: as an attachment will do, George Dr. D.: I wanted to tell her about the CWRU Film Society's showing of Harry Potter on Friday. George: ok Dr. D.: All the staff dressed up...we divided the theatre into 4 Houses, and had a Head of House sort people. rich-c: yes, she'll be interested. She did say she wanted to come on Dr. D.: I played the Headmaster of Hogwarts, Albus Dumbledore, and got to sort my girls with a Sorting Hat (made by Joan).
moved to room Meeting Place Dr. D.: I wore a Santa Claus beard and wig to look suitably aged :-) rich-c: one of these days I'll have to borrow the books from her - she says they're reasonably adult-friendly
changed username to Meeka Meeka: Hello all Dr. D.: I'm waiting for copies of the digital photos that the Director took of all of us...we looked pretty convincing. Guy B.: Hi Meeka rich-c: hi Meeka where did you pop from? Dr. D.: The books are very friendly to people of any age. Dale: rich, the books are well worth the read. rich-c: I am sure as soon as you get them they'll be on one of your sites, Rich rich-c: do spell out the full story (so to speak) when you send us the URL Dr. D.: Sure thing. Dale: I hear that the 5th book might be out this year (of course originally it was due out in time for the movie last year) Dr. D.: http://drushel.cwru.edu/films/hat0.jpg has the Sorting Hat by itself. rich-c: I can hardly keep up with my magazines these days, let alone the books, unfortunately Dr. D.: http://drushel.cwru.edu/films/hat3.jpg is a silly picture of me wearing it in the robot lab, laaaaaaaaate at night. rich-c: trust you didn't get too close to the windows - or are they used to Mad Scientists there? Dale: Jill and Jefrey are both doing well. Last week they both had colds, and this week I've had a cold, but we are all getting better. Dr. D.: haha, we're all mad scientists at CWRU... rich-c: yes, Dale, spring is coming, and it always seems to make things better, don't know why Judy: hi, Meeka Meeka: hello mom George: my cake got too soggy
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changed username to Pamela Pamela: Hi all Judy: how is it going? Dr. D.: Hello Pam. rich-c: ah, here she is now - hi daughter Meeka: hello Pamela Judy: Hi, Pam Pamela: Well the gang's all here for a change BobS: hallo Pamela! Guy B.: Good to hear that you're all of you are doing better. Abby was at the vet last week. She developed a little bump on her leg and a small sore on her left rear paw. Guy B.: Hi Pam! George: Hi Pamela ,Meeka rich-c: Dr.D. was just giving us the URL for his Harry Potter act Pamela: ? Dr. D.: Film Society showed it here Friday. Pamela: oh, the screening - I forgot Dr. D.: I'm the new Faculty Advisor...I dressed up as Dumbledore. Dr. D.: It was *great* fun! Judy: I was just talking to Sher, wanted me to take her place tomorrow Pamela: Sorry Rich, I'm asleep George: expand window Dr. D.: Gretchen got sorted into Slytherin :-) Dr. D.: She was pleased. Pamela: Oh really! Dr. D.: You better watch out for her...she will either be 1st women president of the USA or mad dictator. rich-c: Dr.D. and Dale say I need to borrow the HP books from you, Pam Dale: For sure. Pamela: Absolutely Dad - but I have to get them back first rich-c: don't rush, tomorrow will be fine Pamela: I have 3/4 of them at the moment rich-c: I would prefer to read them in sequence Pamela: Well then you'll be pleased to know I have the first three Dr. D.: Just remember, Spock dies at the end... Pamela: the fourth is on loan to a coworker Pamela: wrong series, Rich Pamela: may the Force be with you Dr. D.: That's my stock spoiler for any book I loan to someone. Meeka: one of these days, I will have to borrow my brothers books and read them. Pamela: : ) Dr. D.: That, and "There's no place like home!" rich-c: reminds me, I'll have to look at my Wizard of OZ tape one of these days Pamela: My source informs me that we have 1, 2 and 4 - three must be the one on loan rich-c: I'll settle for 1 and 2 for starters Pamela: I recommend the HP books to everyone - they're definitely not just kids books Pamela: I'll see what I can do for you Dad rich-c: like Alice in Wonderland - few readers ralize it's a stylized chess game Dr. D.: We got genuine HP chocolate frogs and Bertie Botts Any Flavour Beans to sell at the movie...they were very popular (and yummy). Pamela: where did you get the Chocolate Frogs and Beans? Dr. D.: One of our staffers got them online somewhere. rich-c: for the beans Jelly Bellies would likely do fine Pamela: Please to supply them at the con Dr. D.: Our WalMart had them very recently, but not now. Pamela: large quantities are fine Dr. D.: They are a bit pricy, only for the true fan...2 frogs for $0.75, and a BB bag was about $6.50 after shipping. Judy: that could be done, Pam Dr. D.: No, the BB beans *really* *do* have a zillion different flavors. rich-c: it's always the shipping that kills you Dr. D.: Elanor got buttered toast last night...me, pepper. Dr. D.: There are 30+, even "booger" (haven't gotten it yet, thank goodness). rich-c: jalapeno, I trust Dr. D.: No, it's like white pepper. George: i have soggy cake rich-c: spolisprts, that's what they are Pamela: is that a flavour or a comment, George? Dr. D.: Most are sane fruit flavors, but there are little surprises... George: devilsfood rich-c: we've asked him to email us some, Pam George: with double fudge frosting Pamela: soggy chocolate cake is okay by me - pass a slice this way Dr. D.: I guess for ADAMcon we need something like "tape drive roller wheel goo" and "fried video display processor". rich-c: if it's soggy it should fit through the wires real easy Pamela: I hope that's not prophetic! George: here it goes Dr. D.: "hard disk crunch" rich-c: yum! Pamela: double yum! BobS: sure make fun of ol' ADAM............ Meeka: how about left over screw stew?
(BobS groans loudly) George: at least it's moist Pamela: sounds about right and more prophetic than ever Pamela: you cookin Judy? rich-c: gather there's a lot of leftovers like that in the Slopsema households Dr. D.: Meeka, I will be glad to participate in whatever humiliating public spectacle you and Judy can come up with. Pamela: dibs, Rich Dr. D.: Better yet if it raises $$$ for the convention. rich-c: Rich, I think you just went out on a limb and sawed it off Pamela: We've already put ourselves in the ADAM destruct competition Dr. D.: Don't just eat a hamburger, eat the *hell* out of it!!! Pamela: However, I'm sure we can come up with something for you Judy: why do you think I am cooking? Dr. D.: Hopefully it will avoid electric shock hazard. Pamela: well someone has to do something with all those leftover screws! BobS: we are now "dieters" with a VERY small food pantry Dr. D.: (Pam's idea, not Judy's cooking) Judy: no, I have no more energy Pamela: quick, someone find Judy some energy Pamela: I can't help, I'm tapped out rich-c: what you need is a thick pantry filled with thin foods Judy: yes, I need it tomorrow, I will have the boys again and staying over night Pamela: any volunteers for the energy gathering? Meeka: do I need to come over agian tomorrow mom? rich-c: sorry, at my age the battery runs down very fast rich-c: and I more or less mowed the front lawn today Judy: that might be helpfull, Meeka Pamela: obviously the Clee clan needs an infusion too Dr. D.: Mine is about run down for today...I think it's time for bed. Pamela: is that more or less, Dad? Meeka: ok, expect me after work ;-)
(Guy B. gives Pamela a can of Diet Coke.) Dr. D.: I will have 15 lab notebooks to grade this weekend, ugh. Pamela: Okay, we have caffeine rich-c: what a joy, Rich Pamela: How did the easter egg hunt go, Rich? Pamela: Do I hear sugar? Judy: that will just keep me awake tonight, I need sleeeeep Dr. D.: Egg Hunt was entertaining for the audience, but I thought the robots were not as good as in past years. Pamela: I need all the help I can get right now Meeka: brb Dr. D.: Webcast video should be up for viewing soon. rich-c: hard day at the office? Judy: was working out in the yard the last two days, 23 bags of mulch Pamela: hard week Dr. D.: Long lab meetings... George: too bad we can't send sounds Pamela: plus we were at that train wreck they called a baseball game last night, didn't get home till after 11:00 Dr. D.: Sure we can: GLLSDORUOORRSHNCHCHCRGHTZZ! Pamela: Bless you! rich-c: we probably can but no one's bothered to learn how, George Dale: Uh oh, people stating generic codes now. George: i can't hear you Dr. D.: Thag you bery buch. Dale: genetic Pamela: was that Freudian, Dale? rich-c: lately the Blue Jays are an exercise in masochism Dr. D.: TATGTTGTGTGAATATA-REG-US-PAT-OFF-TTGTAATAGGATCCTA Pamela: okay, now spit George: dna? Pamela: gargle Dr. D.: That was a genetic code for Dale. rich-c: Dale doesn't have a genetic code, he has SRAM chips Dr. D.: Okay, I'm outta here for tonight...g'nite all. Pamela: Dale, I didn't know you were registered trademark! rich-c: nite Rich - post those URLs soon! Pamela: Don't go! Dale: It's true that there are gentic codes that are being patented. rich-c: yes, and there are big questions as to whether they should be patentable
Dr. D. left chat session rich-c: I would think patents should be refused on grounds of prior art Pamela: and how would you register twins? rich-c: DNA pairings Meeka: ok, Mandy was here it pickup Ryan. I'm back now Pamela: You know, I'm starting to think the two of you should open a daycare - you certainly have enough customers Judy: were they dating or just friends, today? Meeka: didn't ask Judy: why? Meeka: don't know. just didn't think of it I guess Judy: first thought you said don't ask Pamela: Bob, you're awfully quiet tonite rich-c: with all the household women talkijg, he's getting squeezed out rich-c: male fate Judy: he is b uying on ebay Pamela: what is he buying? rich-c: I have a minor skirmish going with eBay at the moment Judy: he still has his own computer can talk whenever he wants BobS: not quiet, just "reserved" :-) Judy: what is your problem? BobS: what about Richarfd????? Pamela: I don't believe it for a minute rich-c: they have a template for sellers to use George: my computer is having hot flashes Guy B.: I still have an account with them, but I haven't used it in two years. rich-c: and the default is "will ship to USA only" rich-c: most vendors will really ship at least to Canada Judy: mine is just hot, George Pamela: George, get it checked for menopause rich-c: but by the time you ask them and the answer is back, the auction has expierd rich-c: I'm kvetching they should change the template - after all the vendors can edit it back Judy: give it soy hear it works rich-c: a computer's OK till you see blue smoke Pamela: or call your local health food store George: and clunk clunk clunk Pamela: or grind Pamela: Bob, what are you after purchasing? BobS: well ship it here and pick it up later or i willship it to ya Judy: computer parts BobS: 133 mhz chips to poweer up a slow 486 machine Pamela: Careful Bob, you may get inundated with packages Meeka: Doug bought more of those this week :-(
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changed username to Dale Pamela: Guy, did you ever find a computer from your email? Dale: Hmm... I got a message that I was bumped. BobS: now we got 2 for sure and maybe 2 on the way IF the jerk ever comes thru rich-c: fortunately, you're back now Dale: MAybe it wasn't authentic though. Pamela: thought you were awful quiet, Dale Dale: I was seeing messages just before. Not commenting much though. rich-c: some drops appear to result from some sort of buffer overrun Guy B.: No, my friend decided she didn't want an older machine. I even offered her an old Mac. rich-c: I have my own theory of computer purchase Pamela: what does she want it for? Pamela: obsolescent on the truck, obsolete in the store, right? rich-c: like, it will stay usefully up to date for one month for every $50 you spend on it Guy B.: Her son lost his job with one of the Chicago newspapers and he thought he would take some computer training. Pamela: ie $600 = 1 year? rich-c: a $600 computer will be kinda slow and too feeble for new software after about a year Pamela: Dale, how are Jillian and Jeff? Guy B.: I'm going to add a few upgrades on the P133. It should fix a number of problems that I've been having. Pamela: did you get the Athlon running again? rich-c: the question is, Guy, is it worth upgrading? Guy B.: I'm using it right now. George: 2.2ghz. Guy B.: It's just some minor software upgrades. Pamela: Dale, are you awake? rich-c: no, none of us are that fast yet, George BobS: is that faster than 33 mhz?????????? rich-c: unless of course Dale just bought something new for the shop
(BobS winks) Pamela: You should hear the feline commentary going on here - you'd think I was ignoring them or something Meeka: ok guys I am gonna get going. see ya next week George: www.smartcomp-pa.com. barebones rich-c: see you Meeka - come back soon Pamela: g'nite Meeka BobS: ok Meekka Dale: Somewhat awake. BobS: or somthin lke taht Guy B.: Bye Meeka.
Meeka left chat session Pamela: How's the family Dale? George: nite Meeka Dale: Pamela, Jillian and Jeff are doing great! Pamela: Good news. Dale: Jeff is reinventing himself regularly. Pamela: Have you slept in the last four months? rich-c: notice he DOESN'T say how the old man's doing... Dale: Suddenly he'll look at everything differently one day. Dale: It is lots of fun to watch. rich-c: yes, it's among the great rewards of having kids BobS: ANd for yearas to come Dale Pamela: It is amazing. Katherine's daughter is 11 months and everything is fascinating. Guy B.: They will always keep you on your toes too. Pamela: Dad - you know Katherine's pregnant again, right? Dale: Well, Jeffrey really is an angel baby, he hardly ever cries, and when he does it is usually for a very clear reason. rich-c: that's for sure rich-c: no, as it happens I didn't Pamela: they think it's a boy this time, according to the last ultrasound Pamela: and speaking of neighbors, how is Gabriel? rich-c: ah, you mean they've been peeking? spoils all the suspense Pamela: well, Megan was a surprise - this time they wanted to know rich-c: Gabriel is home but pretty worn around the edges rich-c: the Hararis have sold their house, they're moving July Pamela: really! Guy B.: Well gang, Have to check the e-mail. Might be able to try for Saturday. I'm in the process of doing some slow cleanup of my apt. So, I'll see you all later. Pamela: who'd they sell to? BobS: ik guy bre good rich-c: well, with five kids in a three-bedroom house, no surprise Pamela: Good nite Guy BobS: farn dingers rich-c: and the real estate market has been pretty hot this year rich-c: see you Guy George: nite Guy Pamela: they're stacking them like cordwood
Guy B. left chat session rich-c: anyway they have a new five-bedroom down on Glen Park, about four blocks south Pamela: How old is the fifth? i can't remember when Rachel was pregnant rich-c: the buyers are relatives of friends, two small girls, moving in July 8 rich-c: sorry, I don't rmember, Pam Pamela: sorry folks, just catching up on neighborhood gossi[ BobS: glad the real estate mrket is good in Toronto, because here it is not so hot rich-c: I would guess about 4 - 6 months Pamela: Well, Michael Harari is a RE agent Pamela: which is a good thing, with five kids rich-c: in Toronto, if you don't have a quarter of a million bucks, don't even think of a place fit to live in BobS: would have to rent then....... Pamela: even rent is awful - $900 / mo for our two bedroom apt rich-c: you get little 1000 sq. ft. bungalows like ours going for 1/3 milliion Pamela: and we're in a cheaper part of town George: i pay $117.00 rich-c: any house like ours just gets torn down with a $750-$850,000 monster house put up in its place Pamela: is that subsidized, George? George: yes George: HUD Pamela: wanna trade? Pamela: after all, that's only $750 American rich-c: watch out - he might if you'll take the disabilities that qualify him George: surprise inspections Pamela: at least here the landlord has to give us 24 hours notice before coming into the premises Pamela: gives us time to hide the bodies of the dust bunnies rich-c: just don't think of moving, Pam rich-c: your rent is regulated - don't ask what a new place would cost Pamela: Not anytime soon, Dad - believe me BobS: \well , the apt rent is about comparable to here, a mite more perhaps, but not much. but the house values are HIGH in Toronto compared to GR BobS: AH HA rich-c: remember you're dealing with $Cdn, Bob Pamela: what did you buy? Pamela: thing is Bob, if you're in downtown Toronto, a one bedroom can go for as much as $1200 a month Pamela: we're on the outskirts of the city rich-c: downtown is anywhere within 20 miles of Coity Hall BobS: so are we, but not rent cvontrolled George: electric here in summer is $300.00 mo. rich-c: rents here are semi-controlled - increases are limited unless the landlord wants to fight for them Pamela: Rent control has taken an interesting turn here - once you're in, it's controlled, but if you move out, the landlord can charge anything he thinks he can get for the place from the next tenant rich-c: all depends on how much you use, George - only the price per kw/hr matyters BobS: that IS wierd............... Pamela: George, you pay your utilities separately? George: yes Pamela: ours are included rich-c: our provincial government at the moment is VERY weird, trust me, Bob George: only gas is included in rent rich-c: and George, if you saw our January electric bill, you'd faint dead away Pamela: electricity, heat and water are included here rich-c: we have electric heat - the furnace can crank up to 15 kw Pamela: only pay for phone and cable, however we don't have central air - that costs big bucks BobS: OUCH elevtric heat in Toronto??????? BobS: well ok, ho wmuch........... George: my electric bill for Jan. was less than $60.00 rich-c: think our worst ever was $600 BobS: our elec and gas combined was about $160-170 US ..... about $230 CA Pamela: are you heated with gas Bob? rich-c: yes, gas is much cheaper and even oil is a bit cheaper BobS: natural gas heat Pamela: electric stove? BobS: ya rich-c: but when we converted it was from oil, about the time of the last Middle East crisis George: i have a gas range BobS: ELEC RUNS ABOUT 50 IN WINTER AND 70 in summer rich-c: there were issues of security of supply BobS: about 75 & 100 CA ??????? rich-c: and at that time gas was up too, so the price question was a saw-off Pamela: I am envious George, I love cooking on gas BobS: but Pam.....gas can BURN your stuff....electric is gentler......... rich-c: depends on what you're cooking, Pam - electric is better for some types of cooking
(BobS winks) Dale: I'm going to take off. I hope the server stays up till the chat ends. Dale: Bye for now. BobS: be good Dale...... rich-c: night Dale Pamela: G'nite Dale - hugs and kisses to everyone BobS: say HI to Jill and Jeff Judy: Bye Dale George: bye Dale Dale: Will do. Dale: poof
Dale left chat session Pamela: that must be hearsay Dad - I've found gas to be better for most things rich-c: electric appliances last - our stove is a 1963 unit that came with the house rich-c: ask your Ma, Pam Pamela: hey, ours is the same vintage, and so's our fridge Pamela: that's what I meant by hearsay Da George: my gas stove is fron 60s rich-c: we have been less lucky with fridges Pamela: I wish our fridge would quit - I'd love to have one with a separate freezer and auto defrost -you know, from the 80's? BobS: mostly ya can't kill stoves, refrigs on the other hand just die when the compressor seizes and it becomes un fezable to fix it BobS: we are on our 3 refrig BobS: course, the 3 rd stove too rich-c: our problems had more to do with power outages when we were travelling BobS: but one got sold with a house and Judy had to change colors one time on the stove BobS: the fridges just kinda tottered on till we got another rich-c: we have an electronic model now that is real nice Pamela: our stove is great, just like my parents only smaller George: i have the same fridge Pamela: confused the heck out of Russell when we first moved in - 1 is high and 7 is low BobS: well kiddies, we got to "blow this popstand" because the "boys" are retiunding in the morning - thier mom is having arthroscopic knee surgery tomorrowe Pamela: Yeah, I guess it's time we all went to bed rich-c: oh dear - give her our sympathy BobS: BEE GOOD, and if ya can't be good, have FUN!!!!! till next week!!! Judy: we have our first ice maker, that is great rich-c: see you then, Bob Pamela: good nite to you both George: nite Bob Pamela: want one of those, Judy
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Judy left chat session rich-c: looks like it's time to fold it in, then Pamela: I'd better go too. At least TV season will be over soon and I'll be able to get on earlier Pamela: I'm for bed, before I collapse. rich-c: that will be great, you're missing too much rich-c: take care, daughter Pamela: I'll bring over those books sometime this weekend if possible, okay? George: nite Pam rich-c: sounds good Pamela: good nite, sleep tight Pamela: poof!
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