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changed username to George rich-c: hello George George: Hi Rich rich-c: see you're the first after me again tonight rich-c: quick info for you rich-c: this may or may not work rich-c: but if your drug costs are beyond your income ability, there are programs George: what is that rich-c: don't know if the PACE program covers any but seniors rich-c: but try the website www.needymeds.com George: only seniors here rich-c: they have pointers to various things rich-c: including by the way many discount programs run by teh drug companies themselves George: i'm taping The Stand rich-c: what's The Stand? George: by steven king rich-c: oh, some sort of horror movie George: yes rich-c: I gave up going to movies after Gone With The Wind George: that long ago? rich-c: though actually borrowed a videotape of Brigadoon from the library this afternoon rich-c: actually, yes, I got peed off when they started putting in commercials
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changed username to BobS BobS: howdy mates!!!! rich-c: I figured if I was going to pay to see something it was going to be commercial free George: i'm on war terms with our library rich-c: howdy Robert rich-c: why are you mad at your library, George? George: Hi Bob rich-c: all the librarians I know are real nice folk BobS: get some much needed rain lately Feorge???????? BobS: George George: i borrowed a damaged book and the blamed me for the damage rich-c: oh, one of those situations rich-c: did you end up dealing with a clerk or did you demand to talk to the librarian? George: we got tornados early this week rich-c: too cold here for tornados rich-c: (actually that isn't true - Windsor once had one in mid-winter) George: i spoke to sereral higher ups in the library we are at a stand off for several years BobS: yikes, don't need them rich-c: by the way, Bob, Pamela haws social obligations tonight so is unlikely to be on BobS: well bummer!!!!! BobS: BUT, now we can talk about her!!!!!
(BobS smiles) George: oh rich-c: I'm surprised your problem wasn't solved then, George rich-c: guess your branch doesn't have the sort of librarians I know rich-c: not sure how long I can hang in tonight rich-c: for some reason my arthritic hip has been giving me fits this evening rich-c: can't stand up, can't sit down - it stiffens up and won't cooperate George: we came to an understanding we have differances problem solved rich-c: I'm sort of keeping wiggling but that is not a long-term solution BobS: how's the pnemonia coming????? rich-c: I've finished the course of antibiotics, but the x-ray shows a patch remaining in the middle of the right lung BobS: (howver it is spelled) BobS: got some more antibiotics???? rich-c: have another appointment with the doctor a week tomorrow for update purposes rich-c: at the moment, no more medication rich-c: shouldn't say that - he's got me on two inhalers BobS: well, drink LOTS of liquids........ rich-c: but they're a dilator and cortisone George: i see the doctor tomorrow BobS: not just water either. red wine works too!!!! rich-c: I'll make a careful note of that, Bob rich-c: is Shriaz or Cabernet Sauvignon preferred? BobS: :-) BobS: use the cabernet BobS: never had shriaz, so can't recommned tha tone rich-c: ok, it's a little lighter now the weather is getting warmer George: wine is prohibited for me rich-c: YOU'VE NEVER TRIED SHIRAZ????? rich-c: Man, you haven't lived!!!! George: never
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changed username to Dale Dale: Hi all. George: Hi Dale BobS: so what is the flavor????? sweet, dry, ???? BobS: HI DALE rich-c: hello Dale, good to see you rich-c: all decent red wines are bone dry BobS: how's the family......... Dale: On Friday I did a system upgrade, and adamcon.org has been working great since. Dale: Hopefully all of the problems are behind me now. BobS: cool!!!!!!! George: good rich-c: what did you change, besides teh ISP, Dale? Dale: Jeffrey is just getting ready for bed. He has been smiling and laughing and trying to figure out how to get into trouble (while being held). BobS: tha is about right Dale rich-c: wait till he can reac h the computer, Dale Dale: Nope, just a system up[grade. If this upgrade does the trick, it is because the pppoe software had some bugs in it, that have been fixed in the new version. rich-c: you'll have to dig out Syd Carter's old child amuse program for teh Adam rich-c: software upgrade, then, not hardware Dale: Yes software. rich-c: will you be able to patch the loophole that's letting that spammer into the mailing list? Dale: The only thing I can do is move the mailing list. I'm going to see how the adamcon.org machine is, and then move the list to there, where I can filter that kind of thing out. Dale: Right now, I can't do much in the way of filtering. :-( rich-c: I thought the only way a message could be posted to the list was by a member George: ARE THE ARCHIVE CHATS UPDATED? Dale: No. It is by anyone. Which is why you have to jkoin before I tell you the list address. rich-c: sounds like George is real fussed Dale: But there are some posts that are archived on other people's web sites that include the inside address. rich-c: that's why I thought you had set it up so only members can post George: no i'm hitting the wrong keys Dale: No George. I've wasted all of the time that I would have spent on maintaining that on just getting Adamcon to be available. Dale: I will update them sooner or later though. Dale: I have all of the info. BobS: heck George, you are here every week, yo don't need the archived versions rich-c: pity we can't sic one of our more - skilled - members on that intruder rich-c: I have a hunch a couple of our guys would have no problem crashing a spammer at all George: i fogot about how to add a HD to ADAM rich-c: you need an HD controller card from Micro Innovations or Orphanware BobS: no prollem, got to sent me about $75 and I will send you the interface card, hd, and detailed instructions for installation BobS: this is a Micro Innovations board\ BobS: got some until dale gets production up and running rich-c: the most of an HD Adam can address is 64 megs BobS: BTW, Terry F "says" he has a few left.......contrary to my conversation with him that I had bought the last ones......... rich-c: well, some folks say all sorts of things, but the proof of the puddin's.... BobS: I know he has some parts, boards, etc, but he said he had no PALS.....or Gals.....WHICHEVER TO MAKE THEM OPERATIONAL rich-c: now why might he have run out of friends? George: where do i send for it BobS: to mineslef George!!!!! BobS: address is 2261 Shadetree Ln SE Kentwood, MI 49546..........all proceeds got ot the ADAM NEWS NETWORK rich-c: that is, if you can believe anyone would have an address like "Shadetree Lane" George: huh BobS: sounds kinda relaxing don't it??????? rich-c: when it comes to computers, Bob is our origihnal shadetree mechanic George: brb BR run rich-c: Dale, did you notice that We Compute is back in circulation? Dale: I've seen it, boy does it look different. BobS: now, THAT is a compliment Richard!!!!!!
(BobS smiles) rich-c: yes, looks like George Bachir is bankrolling it to boost his computer fairs rich-c: today's issue he has a Computer Fair over in Leaside Arena May 26 - admission free Dale: It does get the word out. BobS: Dale, I am assuming that you and Jill and little Jeffery are coming to ADAMCON..........am wondering about subject matter for sessions from you rich-c: yes - Computer Fair is a flea market - like he's going back to his roots BobS: would like continuation of games one and programming and BobS: whatever else you have upyour sleeve Dale: I am coming, and bringing my raging horde. Dale: I'm coming and bringing my raging horde. BobS: believe it or not, things DO rub off on me BobS: Neil considering???????? Dale: Games one? You mean, how to write supergames? BobS: what did you do last year, besides the programming session?????? BobS: thought it was a games sriting session Dale: Neil is going to be in Finaland for a linguistics conference immediately before ACon... Dale: and is invited to a side trip to a Russian Monastary afterwords... rich-c: well, as long as he can get back in time for the important event Dale: so I just don't know if he will be there even for Sunday. George: i'm back BobS: we3ll that'd be a bummer BobS: we uns would miss him Dale: Last year, we talked about designing Adam hardware. We didn't talk about programming except... rich-c: yeah, how are you set for direct flights from Moscow to Kentwood? Dale: I used some SamrtBASIC examples to illustrate how boolean logic worked. BobS: ok, mistook ADAM hardware for programming session George: the whole world ends and they sing The Star Spangled Banner. I'd sing the Lords Prayer BobS: with norgates, nangates, orgates, etc Dale: I talked of havibng a session on using CAD software to make Adam hardware next time. BobS: some DID rub off BobS: that sounds good too rich-c: yesd, find some CAD freeware we can download to our DOS laptops and use to follow the session Dale: There is some Windows software from Eagle technologies, that I wanted to spend an hour on. Dale: How much time should we spend on Supergames? BobS: your call Dale rich-c: We don't all have laptops, but I think most of our gang can follow Wintel discussions now BobS: got lots of time open Dale: I feel we should spend some time exploring the AI behaviours that I touched on at AdamCon 11. BobS: the "Al" behaviors........???? rich-c: that's a sort of dicey area, still... George: i'm running out of space on my 8.4 gb. HD. Dale: I don't have a specific plan at the moment, but I've been advided in the past that it is better to have some time... Dale: each day for me to talk, that way it can sink in inbetween. Dale: AI (artifical intelligence) BobS: that works and I think that is a good way to go Dale: You didn't remember that I talked about how to create life at AC11? rich-c: George, how long since you've cleaned out your files? BobS: yes, now that yo jog the memory George: 1 week Dale: Anyway, no-player characters need to have some behaviours, and that is called AI. rich-c: well what on earth do you have cluttering up eight gigs? The world's largest game collection? BobS: ya'll storing too much junk there George
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changed username to Guy B. rich-c: hello Guy Guy B.: Greetings!! BobS: Hiya Guy Dale: I'd like to spend some time doing some experiments. Maybe 2 hours to experiment after an hour of preperation. George: i don't know it went from 3g to 6g rich-c: how about a session on how to disassemble, reassemble and fix data drives, Bob? BobS: that is a crap shoot at best richard....... BobS: we could do it, but not much call for data drives anymore Guy B.: That would be an impossible task. rich-c: you probably are letting AOL download all sorts of crap and spyware there BobS: worst problem lately is that the little rubber wheels get meltdown, wish I knew what to replace them with rich-c: yes, the little tires are standard on all tape drives I'm told, but I don't know where to get them George: i'll get a 60 gb. HD BobS: bought another ADAM cheap off Ebay and got it today....a whopping R57 version....working rich-c: and of course first you have to get the @#$^&(*(&%$% original off BobS: that's a thought richard........but need just the rubber part BobS: ;oh gettign the original off is not the problem cleanign the gook is the problem rich-c: an R57? how much did he pay you to take it? BobS: paid him! didn't know what it was, will have to check how it runs..... BobS: what idiosynchises did the R57 have???????? rich-c: me. I do not sell Adams cheap - but mine are complete and they work rich-c: ask Dr. D., he spent a lot of time fighting one - basically just bizarre behaviour Guy B.: Are they R80's? Dale: I havwe to duck out early. See you next week. Guy B.: Bye Dale. BobS: be good Dale say HI to the gang rich-c: see you Dale, you and the family take care Dale: Will do. Dale: poof
Dale left chat session rich-c: and Guy yes, I only sell R80s BobS: this is the first non R80 I have seen rich-c: George, if you're going to get a hard disc do go with the Adam, might as well get an 80 or bigger Guy B.: I remember when I bought my Expansion 3 that it had a R57. I took it to Honeywell and in addition to a new drive they upgraded the system to R80. rich-c: you'll likely be happy to make it the last, Bob BobS: a collector piece............. rich-c: basically in that size range nowadays exact size makes no difference in price BobS: anything under 500 megs is hard to find rich-c: in fact you could likely use any disc up to a 540 BobS: a year ago or more you could find 40 mb and up rich-c: yeah, now buy a dozen or so for $5 and hope a couple work George: brb rich-c: don't know what the MTBF wason the older drives, but some may be pushing the envelope rich-c: you're quiet tonight, Guy BobS: can't remember what spped we have tried witht he hd interface, but I think I got a 1 gig that works....as a 40 meg dribe rich-c: yes, well, with an 8-bit machine seems the most HD it can detect is 64 meg, which kinda figures
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changed username to Scott Guy B.: I'm using the P133 as well as the Athlon tonight. rich-c: hello Scott, weren't expecting you Scott: Surprise! Scott: Got out of class early BobS: BUT that size hd on the ADAM with the compact progrmming is like a 60 gig on an ibm BobS: hi Scott Guy B.: Scott, what a surprise! How's everything going? rich-c: thought you'd be too busy with your studies and all Scott: I am typically, but not tonight. rich-c: well, welcome aboard Scott: Summer classes haven't started, but Maymester is half over with. rich-c: is the Avalanche playing tonight? Scott: This summer will be difficult. Scott: Yes, the Avalanche will be fighting for their playoff lives. rich-c: that's OK, even if they get past San Jose, then they have to cope with Detroit (shudder) rich-c: you may have noticed the Leaf made their way through the round last night Guy B.: I'm designing the screen for setting up Dcopy using VB 4. rich-c: now could we have an English translation of that, Guy? George: i'm back again BobS: got the Dcopy reference BobS: vb....visual BASIC !!!!!!! Scott: Visual BASIC! Yay!!! Guy B.: I'm going to use Visual Basic to where you setup options to run Dcopy for the Adam Emulator. Scott: Cool. Guy B.: Yep BobS: automate things.......that is good rich-c: scripting languages are fine - as long as you know the source is trustworthy Scott: Save time, good good. Guy B.: That's the idea. Scott: I have no time :( BobS: well...........................Guy might be suspect.......
(BobS winks) Scott: At the end of this semester I will have my CCNA :) rich-c: I'll try it on the old computer first, and if that doesn't crash... rich-c: what's a CCNA? Scott: Cisco Certified Network Associate. rich-c: right - networks are things businesses use, not home users like us Scott: I'd like to take an Assembly class. rich-c: depends on your long-term objectives whether it's worth investing teh time Scott: Definitely. Already spent a fair amount of z80 assembly. Scott: Would like to update my skills. Scott: And besides, I enjoy assembly. rich-c: I guess once you master the basics, the rest is just sort of add-ons Scott: Well, perhaps I haven't mastered the basics. Scott: The more Computer Science, the better. rich-c: I would hardly be teh person to make teh call on that rich-c: I can't even persuade my keyboard to spell properly Scott: Well, I'm just one of those people who enjoy being in school. BobS: even Microsoft programmers have taht problem........isn't that why they have to keep upgrading the Wiindows softwRE????? Scott: I spent about 6-8 years away from it and really regretted it. rich-c: by the way, saw a couple of real super-neat keyboards at the Amiga shop last night Scott: Ooooohhh. Scott: I need an Amiga. Scott: I almost purchased a 4000T off Ebay, but the buyer wasn't trustworthy. Scott: He had like 20 negatives. rich-c: well, the AGA models are hard to come by, and the pro levels are expensive rich-c: but the run of the mill Amigas are easy to come by and reasonably priced Scott: Hmmmm Scott: Like, how reasonably priced? George: oldsoftware.com has amigas rich-c: yes, the 4000T is one of the AGA models Scott: oldsoftware.com? Haven't heard of them... Guy B.: Ok, the screen design is done. Any of you have Word 97 or 2000? Scott: Will give them a try. rich-c: and if someone is upgrading them - since they're the basis for the real killer performers -he has to know what he's doing George: in saltlake ut Scott: That's close. Only one state over. rich-c: Scott, take a look at videolink.ca and see if Bruce has anything to offer Scott: Hmmm
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changed username to Meeka Meeka: hello rich-c: I know he just took in a 1200 recased and customized up to the 400-0T level rich-c: hi Meeka George: Hi Meeka Guy B.: Hi Meeka Scott: Wow. Impressive. rich-c: Bruce is almost all Wintel now, but still has a bit of legacy Amiga stuff, which he uses BobS: bout time Meeka Meeka: ya ya I know rich-c: you might also want to check softhut.com - that's Software Hut over in Pennsylvania Scott: Actually, I'm going to go check these out right now. Scott: Thanks for the info. rich-c: OK, they should give you a bit of a handle on the current scene Scott: I will see you all a little later. rich-c: TTFN
Scott left chat session rich-c: Meeka, Pam said she's unlikely to make it tonight; other obligations Meeka: that's too bad. tell her I said hhi rich-c: OK, I guess I will be seeing her soon rich-c: she's taken up worrying about the old folks since we started creaking BobS: wh Richard....she worried about ya before too BobS: yo just notice it more now rich-c: no, back then it was more we worried about her rich-c: but yes, I see your point, Bob BobS: you will never stoop worring about her as a parent. and she will start worrying about you anow rich-c: yes, that is the way it works out as the generations pass rich-c: after all, Frances still is constantly worried about her mother BobS: BTW, how's Frances mum doing???? same as always only slower? rich-c: pretty much - she's 99 now, physically still present Guy B.: Wow! rich-c: it's not an achievement you'd necessarily wish on anyone, Guy rich-c: there is such a thing as an overripe old age Guy B.: My mom turned 83 last month. rich-c: getting on there, then. hope her health is holding up BobS: agreed Rich, but you have to go with it, until she stops...... rich-c: no question on that score, Bob. It's just that it can be wearing Guy B.: Mine too. I was over to see her on Sunday. She's seems to be doing Ok, but my sister says she's been having some memory lapses. BobS: absolutely!!!! rich-c: well, that's to be expected - may mean very little Guy B.: Well folks, I'm going to check the e-mail. I'll try for Saturday, otherwise see you all next week. rich-c: any old how, my leg is still threatening to sieze up - shouldn't push my luck much longer rich-c: OK, I'll try and join you Guy, if I can
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