Dr. Druselius: Ist irgendeiner hier?
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changed username to BobS Dr. Druselius: Hello Bob. BobS: Doktor D Dr. Druselius: Got $$$ to send you! BobS: got to talk to Doug cuse my memory sucks....BUT Dr. Druselius: Check payable to you, right? BobS: wanted yo to do a session at convention concerning the way you had ADAMserve reading the disk drivesd, etc Dr. Druselius: Sure. I will re-read my copiously commented code :-) BobS: yes, payable to me......bypassing the silly checkinga ccounts etc and BobS: deal direct with me, the hote, and my charge crad Dr. Druselius: Yeah, that's what I ended up doing. I have these nice ADAMcon 13 checks for souvenirs now :-) Dr. Druselius: Check 0001 remains with me, though. BobS: can also bring in the business on converting the ADAM programs to work with the hd...like Powerpaoint BobS: BRING the checks along this year and pass them out
moved to room Meeting Place BobS: heck maybe can do two diff sessions Dr. Druselius: Yes, I intended to...I will sign 'em, make the amount VOID or something.
changed username to rich-c Dr. Druselius: Hello Richard. rich-c: hello all BobS: HI RICH BobS: how's da health??????? Dr. Druselius: You digest my E-mail yet, Richard? rich-c: a little late, just looking at your email, Dr.D Dr. Druselius: And what BobS said, too... BobS: like a minute or minute and half......... BobS: convention is coming together...slowly but steadily rich-c: anyway, health, for some reason my leg was really getting shirty today BobS: "shirty".........??????? rich-c: fortunately I got my disability parking permit Monday so could go shopping Dr. Druselius: Joan got 4 cross-stitch mugs in the mail this week, I will get her and Elanor started on sewing them up with AC14 logos.
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: yeah, every time I said "let's go" it sort of said "dare ya" and stabbed me
changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Greetings!!!! BobS: hi DUDE rich-c: hi Guy, you're early Dr. Druselius: Hello Guy. BobS: got your check.......as well as Mr McCullough's Guy B.: Decided to come on early and answer an e-mail on Yahoo. Dr. Druselius: Back in a few minutes...gotta get the girls to bed for the last time before fall (last day of school is tomorrow). BobS: you are not early, just on time Guy B.: So, I'm all set, Great! rich-c: just bitching because my leg was really sore and uncooperative today rich-c: and I think I'm coming down with a cold, as if I didn't have hassles enough BobS: no lie!!!! rich-c: somehow or other I do suspect I'll survive, though without a smoke it's hard BobS: just persevere there Rich BobS: time will help Guy B.: Making some progress on my program to run Dcopy via Visual Basic. I'm still coding to select the file from a directory. The testing will be done soon. BobS: how's Frances doing??????? rich-c: I do have fairly firm intentions in that regard, Bob BobS: got you penciled in for a session Guy rich-c: bearing up under the starin - consoled her by chauffeuring her to the Amiga meeting last night Guy B.: Thanks Bob, I hope to have this program ready by the con. rich-c: so how's things going at your end, Bob? Guy B.: Bob, how many of us are coming to the convention so far? rich-c: if I recall you were missing last week BobS: hotel is booked, food is in process, final to be made.......banqauet is booked and paid for BobS: 6 Guy BobS: I came in vewry late didn't I Dr. Druselius: I'm back. BobS: ya was at in-laws for anniversary rich-c: I assume that means paid, Bob, as opposed to committed but you don't have the cheques yet Guy B.: I'm sure that will go up the month progresses. BobS: paid Dr. Druselius: Me and Elanor are coming. I have to get the check book from Joan when she gets home from work tonight. BobS: almost 6 committed.....a LOT Dr. Druselius: I can send out $$$ tomorrow. rich-c: Dr. D., could we move to the Hallway for a bit? Dr. Druselius: Hallway? rich-c: one of the other rooms for short private chat Guy B.: Dr. D, I'm assuming Elanor will bring the muse with her? Dr. Druselius: Gotta run again...Christina says a vacuum cleaner is smoking!! rich-c: oops! Guy B.: Oh boy, hope you can come back. BobS: still working long hoursw Guy??????? rich-c: anyway, Bob, you know we're coming, just holding out to let our dollar rise a bit more BobS: yup Guy B.: No, I'm done until at least after the convention. BobS: plannning on it BobS: that's good Guy
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changed username to George> BobS: preferably rich-c: hi George BobS: hiya geo Guy B.: Hi George rich-c: So how's things in Philly? George>: Hi group George>: i'm sore from physical therapy rich-c: Bob, could you check with your local cops and see if Kentwood honours out of state disability parking permits? Guy B.: What happened? rich-c: what was the physio for, George? George>: for my back BobS: sure, but they will Guy B.: How did you hurt your back? rich-c: I've not heard of physio helping a ruptured disc much rich-c: sure you're right, Bob, but some places are quite snotty about it - they don't trust furriners BobS: but, we're good here Guy B.: Jeanene has one due to her back and we had no problem using it in another state. George>: i lost everyone rich-c: that's what I'd expect, Bob Guy B.: George, how did you hurt your back? George>: back in 1990 i was in a casino bus accident in Atlantic City Guy B.: Oh boy, how bad was it? rich-c: trust you got a cash settlement enough to cover your medical expenses - then and future BobS: problem with handicapped sticker, license plate, mirror hang tag....is...when in the HOME of U.S. = Philedelphia....they got NO signs for ya to park George>: i herniated my disk L4,L5 BobS: went hter and after 3 phone calls from the seat of democracy to the seat of the police pants........just park anywhere and the sticker will stop you from getting a ticket Guy B.: So how long have you been in therapy? rich-c: I didn't know that could be trated with phsio - thought it required surgery George>: therapy just started tuesday Guy B.: For how long? George>: its doubtful if it will work BobS: VERY doubtful rich-c: sounds like an HMO trying to stall off a big expense a little longer BobS: but with today's insurance rules and associated crap....got to try therapy first, it just might work ......in a million yearsa George>: studies show little hope BobS: exactly richard rich-c: did I ever mention how Canadians handle medical expenses?.... rich-c: not that we are smug or anything BobS: gov't pays....... Guy B.: That's what happened to Jeanene. She hurt her back from being a cashier at Home Depot. Tried therapy, didn't help. Tried cortisone shots, didn't help either. She had surgery two years ago to remove a bulging disc. That helped her alot. George>: anyway i have to go 6 weeks rich-c: but quite honestly, we are horrified by the stories we get from south of 49 George>: my doctor is old school BobS: but not all are horro stories Guy B.: Sounds like he's due to retire. George>: in mind only rich-c: I feel hard done by when my OTC snake oil isn't covered by Ontario Drug Benefit George>: my darvocets are going quick rich-c: hitting the balance between avoiding addiction or worse and enduring the pain is not easy Guy B.: I ended up changing allergy medication since the insurance company decided it will cost me more to have it. George>: you can say that again rich-c: in ODB there is a formulary from which your doctor must choose rich-c: but it does cover a very wide spectrum of drugs rich-c: mostly refuses to pay for brand name when there's a proven generic available George>: right now my homo will only cover darvocet BobS: same here Richard rich-c: yes, the HMOs do work the same way. Only makes sense George>: i maen hmo George>: farn dingers rich-c: farn dingers, George Guy B.: Looks like he and Bob have fumbled fingers tonight. George>: i get finger tied rich-c: happens to the best of us BobS: fimble ningers notin rich-c: even Pamela can come up with errors, and she's a very practiced touch typist BobS: hope ya all are getting lost following the lead here George>: by the way i'm on aol 8.0 beta tonight Guy B.: Even I do have fumbled fingers too. So, don't feel bad George. rich-c: what you need to be on, George, is Earthlink or Prodigy or MSN or (anything BUt aol!) Guy B.: 8.0? Already, at Sam's Club they have a slew of 7.0 CD Roms. Guy B.: Try Netzero. $9.95 a month. George>: just downloaded my copy rich-c: on the beta they are probably playing the Yahoo gamchanging your "profile" behind your back so it says "sure, go ahead and spam me" George>: it's mainly cosmetic rich-c: hope you got your lawyer to read teh privacy statement before you installed it, George George>: LOL Guy B.: Speaking of Yahoo. They are getting into the dialup business with SBC. They will be charging $15.95 a month. rich-c: it is not a laughing matter, George rich-c: and the CEO of SBC made a salary of $82 millioin last year - guess where that money came from Guy B.: He's right George. If 8.0 has problems and it effects your system. AOL wouldn't be liable. rich-c: not that I'm suggesting their service charges are excessive or anything, of course George>: thats true BobS: stickin to my 8.88 per month local service provi9der rich-c: right answer, Bob George>: it's true of most beta software Guy B.: That goes for me too. BobS: I am a tight fisted Hollander type and I want sot keep MY dollars BobS: to keep rich-c: does it matter? ask George how much help AOL tech support is anyway Guy B.: We all got to watch how we spend these days. George>: i due for a reformat anyway rich-c: why? have you had the computer five years or more? Guy B.: Be sure you have backed up your hard drive before you do that. rich-c: a computer should be obsolete before the hard disc needs reformatting George>: two at the most
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changed username to Judy BobS: oh heck, don't put amything on the hd and then you can format the hd or whatever you want to do and not hurt anything rich-c: hi Judy Guy B.: Hi Judy BobS: HI Judy..........:-) Judy: Hi, everyone George>: with 2.2 ghz computers a 500 mhz isn't much Guy B.: Mine's a 850 and it's plenty fast for me. Guy B.: I do have three slower computers. rich-c: anything from a 166MMX up is still usable, though the the back end may lack some very desirable current features BobS: oh, bullcrap,,,,,for what we are doin' as joe private citizen, an early pentium is more than we need rich-c: I got my new computer to get USB support, CD-RW, various other updates BobS: fastest darn thing I got is a 200overdrive cup BobS: \chip Guy B.: I'm using the P133 for my Visual Basic programming project and it runs just fine on it. George>: dvd movies rich-c: what it amounted to was buying new was little more expensive than putting in the upgrades I wanted Guy B.: I will be bringing the P75 for the demo. BobS: for dvd mvies ya need a dvd player plugged in to the wall rich-c: well, I'l be asking you to transfer files to the 166 laptop - shall I bring a null modem cable? Guy B.: At least that's one thing I won't be getting for the Athlon. I have a DVD/VHS combo player for that. Dr. Druselius: Back again at last...sorry for the delay. rich-c: if I ever have the urge to view a dvd, maybe I'll buy a player George>: are any software titles in dvd format? Guy B.: I will be bring a cable as I will be bringing the P75 and the notebook. rich-c: rich, could we move to Hallway for a minute? Guy B.: Everything Ok, Dr. D? Dr. Druselius: Yes...let me talk to Richard C. privately first.
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rich-c moved to room The Hallway rich-c: hi rich Dr. Druselius: Bleh, what a night! rich-c: about your email - no surprises Dr. Druselius: Burned up vacuum cleaner...no flames, though. Dr. Druselius: Did you understand everything I wrote? rich-c: oh dear - you caught it in time rich-c: yes rich-c: you did a good job of answering my questions Dr. Druselius: Is it consonant with your own assessment? BobS: they got some private stuff to attend to Guy B.: Bob, what computer are you using? BobS: probably Girl Scout cookies or simethin George>: hi Judy rich-c: remember I can follow science stuff to a certain extent - ran a madical library for a year once BobS: am on a P166 now Guy B.: The old reliable. rich-c: well, it looked to me as if the bibliography gave support to the theories on which the product is built BobS: upgraded the basement on from a P133 to 200MMX with an overdrive chip Dr. Druselius: Agreed. It's not just random refs. rich-c: I was pleased you confirmed them to be reputable journals Guy B.: How's it working out? BobS: that runs better now, the spped of the 155 Dr. Druselius: Or refs picked at random to match a couple of keywords. BobS: 166 rich-c: seems plausible enough that it might be possible - who wants to pay to be a guinea pig? George>: i'm expecting software to be in dvd-rom format Dr. Druselius: There is clearly some biochem literature about the effect of this class of compounds on cell membranes. BobS: Doug said later, I could have just put ina faster ship, but i didn't know and so I just bought a 200 overdrive chip so's I din't bug him rich-c: and I guess the answer to that is, are you hurting enough to pay serious bucks to be a research subject? Dr. Druselius: The trick, of course, is extending the hypothesis to include clinical efficacy. BobS: I don't use any software that elite George Dr. Druselius: Yes Re: guinea pig. Dr. Druselius: Have you looked into the costs? rich-c: I do know glucosamine and chondroitin have recently shown very well in clinical trials rich-c: Consumer Reports reviewed the situation and recommended them Guy B.: I'm going to try upgrading the memory on the P133. It's at 32mb and I would like to up it more. George>: to upgrade or not to upgrade? Dr. Druselius: Everything that I learned in my Ph.D. research (which was a cartilage proteoglycan lab--includes glucosamine and chondroitin) says that you can't absorb the stuff orally, and if you do, you can't get it to the joint cartilage, because it is avascular. rich-c: I've also seen the positive general findings about wine and tea, espeically the reservatol component Guy B.: The Athlon is at 128mb. I might decide to add another stick to it later. Probably a 256mb. BobS: won't hurt iof Guy George>: the new aol needs 64 mb. of ram BobS: it BobS: thing is, i had 32 megs in the laptop P166, added 64 meg cheap but don't notice any difference for what I use it Dr. Druselius: The dogma about what makes cartilage so springy is that there are proteins in it which have zillions of long chains of stuff like glucosamine and chondroitin. rich-c: so in effect we're asking - has someone now found a way to get oral administrations absorbed Dr. Druselius: These chains have lots of negative charge, really polar, so they attract lots of water. BobS: guess i just don't use a computer for what it is intended Dr. Druselius: Water=hydrostatic cushion. Guy B.: I have 32 in the notebook. But, I'm not going to upgrade it. But, I will get a battery for it. George>: i need to get a new HD Dr. Druselius: But cartilage is mostly avascular. The chondrocytes live off of what can diffuse in from outsie. Dr. Druselius: outside, that is. Guy B.: What size do you have now George? BobS: think I had less than $20 in 64 megs for the mem upgrade Dr. Druselius: The trick has been getting new chondrocytes to grow at the bone surface and push new cartilage out, into the joint, to make a new articular surface. rich-c: and if someone can make more and better diffuse in from the outside? George>: 8.4 gb. it's almost full Dr. Druselius: The chains are attached to central "core" proteins at the time the proteins are synthesized. There are degradative mechanisms to remove chains after they're on, but none that I'm aware of to put them back on after they 've been made in the cell the first time. Dr. Druselius: Think about something which looks like a test-tube brush. rich-c: ok Dr. Druselius: The core protein is the wire shaft, the chondroitin chains are the bristles. Guy B.: But. I'm thinking of upgrading the BIOS on the 133. The advantage is it will accept larger capicity hard drives. EDO memory, the present one works with fast page and parity. BobS: George, what ya gonna do if it crashes, got all that stuff backed up???????? Dr. Druselius: Attach one end to a cell, the other end sticks out into space. Guy B.: You can get a 40 gig for about $70 or less. BobS: if not, it is all gonna be trach anyway BobS: trash Dr. Druselius: Lots of them in a layer, with water and some other stuff to cross-link the core proteins together, makes cartilage. George>: most of what i need is backed up Dr. Druselius: Now I've been out of that field for 10 years now, not sure if any new super discoveries to change that picture have been made. rich-c: ok, I skipped over the relevant diagram on the website, but I'm following you BobS: back it ALL up, or simply getting bigger, is a waste George>: on cd-r Dr. Druselius: This drug claims to (1) reduce the enzymatic degradation of the chondroitin chains from the core proteins, (2) maintain or promote the lateral cross-linking of the core proteins. Guy B.: Try uisng a CDRW for that. I use them just for backing up my drive. Dr. Druselius: See how that would tend to keep cartilage intact, keep it from breaking apart? rich-c: essentially, I do know from Consumer Reports, who have a lot of high-power medical consultants, that oral administration of glucosamine and chondroitin is now considered to be efficious Dr. Druselius: I'd be surprised if whole chains swallowed get incorporated into new proteoglycans. Dr. Druselius: But maybe after they're broken down, they increase the pool of raw materials for new synthesis. rich-c: yes, we're into a dodgy area there Dr. Druselius: Stuff like chondroitin is a polymer of sugar rings (6 side, like table sugar). Dr. Druselius: Each special kind of "glycosaminoglycan" is a different repeating unit of a few specific sugars, polymerized over and over. George>: did Rich and Dr.D. leave us for good? rich-c: anyway, since you asked, price after taxes (of 15%) is about $85 for 350 ml Dr. Druselius: So each kind of polymer has slightly different chemical and physical characteristics. Guy B.: They are in The Hallway room having a private chat. rich-c: since recommended dosage is 10 ml/day that's a 35-day supply
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changed username to Ronald Guy B.: Hi Ron George>: Hi Ron Ronald: evening Dr. Druselius: 1 tsp = 5 ml, 2 tsp per day theraputic dose...yep, I was just typing that math. BobS: heloo Ronald from da west Ronald: other side of the Rockies rich-c: be sure I did it before I bought it Ronald: On Linux no less rich-c: by the way, I waws wondering about the seconday ingredients - thanks for clearing that up Guy B.: Your on Linux tonight Ronald: ya.... SuSE 8.2 BobS: now,,,,,,,linux is like a dos operating system yes????? Ronald: sweet Dr. Druselius: $1.21 per dose, about. Ronald: nope.... fulla windows Ronald: browsers Judy: Hi, Ron Ronald: Hi Judy Guy B.: Didn't you have Mandrake? George>: windows killer BobS: so liek win95?????? rich-c: basically, seems like someone has stumbled over a theoretical possibility and tried in in practice with (anecdotally) positive results rich-c: there appears to be something similar on the U.S. market - see www.LakotaHerbs.com BobS: and works kinda the same way????? Dr. Druselius: Actually, more like anecdotal evidence of tea or wine drinkers made people look for correlations between ingredients and stuff being studied in biochem for other reasons. Dr. Druselius: Well... rich-c: well that came from the French Paradox, which was really cardio studies BobS: ya there guys?????? Dr. Druselius: You could see how much the markup is for the non-primary ingredients (i.e., how much would it cost to buy them separately). Ronald: yes, but Mandrake wouldn't recognize my sound card Ronald: very much so these Days Bob. It's getting better all the itme Ronald: time Ronald: seems I've been cut? Ronald: yep Ronald: I've lost you here, gonna go out and come back in again
Ronald left chat session rich-c: yes, I recognized the tea and wine derivatives, of course Guy B.: There you are Ron BobS: no, you still here BobS: whoops gone again Dr. Druselius: If the secondary ingredients come to 50 cents per dose, then *maybe* you could do that and drink tea and wine, and get about the same effect. Guy B.: So, which Linux are you using again? rich-c: still, if they are actually going to go through the clinical trials to prove the stuff works, that's a big cost Dr. Druselius: Remember, pharmacy used to be lots of herbs and decoctions and extracts, less than a century ago. Dr. Druselius: I have an internal medicine textbook from 1935 which has a huge appendix at the end of how to make all kinds of syrups, what extracts will mix and which won't, etc. rich-c: sure, some of our most potent medicines are from natural sources - willow bark comes to mind (where would we be without that?) Dr. Druselius: All they had then was sulfanilamide. Dr. Druselius: And foxglove = digitalis.
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changed username to Ronald Guy B.: He's back. Ronald: hmmmmm..... Ronald: so much for progress Dr. Druselius: They probably have devised some extraction protocol to get lots of the putative active ingredients from grapes and tea. rich-c: yes, I can remember when the sulfa "miracle drugs" were introduced, just before the war Guy B.: What Linux are you using now? Ronald: same Ronald: one more stop and we go to the mac Guy B.: Not Red Hat, right! Ronald: nope. SuSE is the German Version. They are to Germany what Red Hat is to North America BobS: what's the advantage, other than not having Bill Gates on your back Dr. Druselius: I guess $1.21 per dose is not too expensive to warrant a 35-day trial, assuming your physician would sign off on it (or at least be neutral). Ronald: no more blue screens of death rich-c: anyway, seems the stuff is theoretically plausible, dubiously possible, but cant be totally ruled out Dr. Druselius: I guess I would say, if you can spare $85 for a couple of months, go for it. Ronald: seems more solid (at least most of the time) Guy B.: Oh, so it's a different one. There are so many versions out there from different companies. It would make your head spin. Dr. Druselius: If it works for you, for whatever reason, then it's worth it, right? rich-c: oh, my doctor said go try it, it can't hurt and if it does help, you're ahead of the game BobS: ok, ya gotta bring it to the convention George>: i got a NORAD screen Dr. Druselius: If it doesn't work, well, you gave it a fair shot.
moved to room Meeting Place Ronald: Can doi. It's a 3 CD set rich-c: exactly - if they turn out to be even partially right, I've got lots of way to win
changed username to Meeka Meeka: Hello Everyone Ronald: Hi Meeka Judy: Hi, again BobS: we could explore that avenue Ronald Dr. Druselius: (Evil thought) is what you were spending on tobacco products more or less than $85/month? BobS: Hi Meweka rich-c: if it eases my back spasms, or upgrades my lungs, or limitis the areas of arthritic pain, I've won bug Guy B.: Do you need a separate partition to run it? BobS: Meeka George>: Hi Meeka Dr. Druselius: Y ou might still come out ahead if you can stay cold turkey... Guy B.: Hi Meeka. How's Doug these days? rich-c: less, as it happens Dr. Druselius: Not being a smoker, I have no idea what the costs are. Ronald: Yes. Hard drive must be set up to provide 2 partitions for Linux. In my case, I've installed it on a 2nd hard drive. rich-c: but note I do not say I don't smoke - I say I can't Ronald: So got Win 98 and Linux on the same computer rich-c: this isn't what any person told me - it's what my lungs told me Meeka: good, he has been busy at work Guy B.: That's a great idea. Keep one hard drive for Billy Boy. Dr. Druselius: Listen to your internal organs :-) Ronald: yeah. Guy B.: How much space does it require? rich-c: you don't have to - but you'll be sorry if you don't Dr. Druselius: I didn't look to see if there was maybe a cheaper source of this here in say Michigan, which you might partake of during ADAMcon... Dr. Druselius: pricing might be better here. Ronald: depends on what you want to install. Anywhere between 1 gig and 2 gig rich-c: since its a Canadian product (from up near Ron, actually) I doubt it Ronald: you can actually install it in about 500 meg, but not the newer distributions Dr. Druselius: I gathered that it was more available there than in the States. rich-c: and with the dollar exchange, it would have to be cheap in a market not noted for cheap drugs Ronald: big thing is RAM. You need at least 32 Meg, and 64 is much better Guy B.: Does it come with software?
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changed username to freddymaiden Dr. Druselius: I guess you're stuck, then. rich-c: doesn't mean I might not check it out while at Adamcon, just not optimistic freddymaiden: hi BobS: hi there!!! Dr. Druselius: What is the current exchange rate now BTW? Guy B.: Hi Freddy freddymaiden: hi allà Judy: hi, Freddy BobS: welcome to the weekly ADAM computer forum freddymaiden: great Ronald: That's mostly what takes the space. on this one, I've got 2 complete office suites, a c compiler, c++ compiler, all sorts of networking utilities rich-c: anyway we've got all sorts of new prople on - shall we return to the other room? Ronald: and on and on and on George>: Hi Freddy Ronald: complete e-books about Linux Guy B.: Wow, that's alot there. Have you tried any of it? Meeka: Hello Freddy rich-c: $1 US = $1.56 CDN appx Dr. Druselius: Sure. Back I go. freddymaiden: hi Meeka rich-c: CU BobS: but how much space does the Linux program itself take, not allthe extra stuff?????
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rich-c moved to room Meeting Place Guy B.: They are back Ronald: not as much as I would have liked. mostly the office suites. rich-c: we're back folks - hi meeka and freddy and ron Dr. Druselius: Wir sind zurŸkgekommen! Dr. Druselius: Drat, it censored my u-umlaut! freddymaiden: was? rich-c: have to switch to the proper keyboard, Dr.D. Guy B.: What's in the Office Suite? rich-c: freddymaiden, we came in late - may we have an introduction? Dr. Druselius: It entered fine in the entry window (using Mac keyboard here), option-u then u, but when posted, it disappeared. Ronald: Star Office 5.2 - has Wordprocessor, browser, presentation software, drawing program, spreadsheet, data base Ronald: all capabile of reading MS files BobS: well tahat is the probloem Dr D,,,a MAC freddymaiden: Aerea Montreal Male 27 owner of Adam Dr. Druselius: Ronald, as in Ronald the Mighty Mitchell? Ronald: KOffice has same sorts of stuff BobS: COOL Guy B.: I've heard thats a good Office Suite and it can read all MS files? rich-c: that's now being replaced by Open Office, Ron, possibly even better Ronald: large as life and twice as ugly dr. Ronald: Montreal eh? freddymaiden: yup Ronald: here is Comox BC rich-c: then welcome from a fellow Canadian, freddy - I'm in Toronto Dr. Druselius: Yee-haw, long time since I've been here at the same time as you! BobS: trouble is FM.........we tend to get OOF track a LOT freddymaiden: great Ronald: right. it's true eh? BobS: and Ronald is in BC on the island George>: my data drive died freddymaiden: great my uncle is in BC Richmond rich-c: what saymptoms, George? Ronald: not far away Freddy George>: it won't load anything now rich-c: depends on how good a swimmer you are, Ron BobS: well IF it is ADAM stuff ya want, the annual ADAM convention will be in August this year in MICHIGAN USA Ronald: cleaning George? George>: it just spins freddymaiden: LOL Ronald: true Ronald: I am 20-30 miles offshore Ronald: Bob's Island freddymaiden: ha Ronald: we just gave it to him BobS: tis not so far, for a man to come for a spot of playin with the wee computer George>: i trie 3 data packs rich-c: or, I'll sell you all sorts of stuff - Canadian dollars and shippinI've dealt in Adam stuff for over 10 years - A.D.A.M. Services BobS: LUV the island ronald freddymaiden: lol Ronald: I know Dr. Druselius: Hope to get to Comox one of these years...hint hint BobS: and NEXT year, 2003 I am COMIN' BACK to the island !!!!!!!!! Ronald: When you take it Bob, would you please make sure our provincial government is on it Ronald: yup rich-c: yes, Adamcon 15 is already agreed for Comox, isn't it? Dr. Druselius: Isn't Puget Sound deep enough to sink 'em in?
(BobS reboots Ronald's computer remotely.) Ronald: the same George>: carts work Ronald: actually yes Dr. That's a thought freddymaiden: I got lots to learn about Adam today by the sounds of it Dr. Druselius: Build a breakwater or ten. rich-c: the shop is almost finished with the engine work on my car rich-c: after which the truck goes in for the new engine Judy: and there are a lot of people to help you learn rich-c: so I should have two vehicles capable of towing the trailer to BC Ronald: Do you have an ADAM Fred? Dr. Druselius: When left to our own devices here, freddy, we tend to be chatty about personal stuff. BobS: oh, ADAM is still the same.......jsut upgraded with Hard drives, mem cards, pralle pritners etc Dr. Druselius: But feel free to yank us back onto the topic of ADAMs! freddymaiden: yes havent used it in a while last purchase was a dik Ronald: yes please bring us back on topic freddymaiden: sk drive but have no disk manager Dr. Druselius: Did freddy say already how he found out about this chat? rich-c: any of us can give you a copy of the disc manager BobS: ah yes...ya don't need disk manager to use the disk drive Dr. Druselius: I am curious if any of my posts to rec.games.video.classic have netted anyone. freddymaiden: nien Dr. Druselius: Or to alt.folklore.computers. freddymaiden: by searching on the net rich-c: or you can buy Tony Morehen's File Manager Dr. Druselius: Got it, thanks. freddymaiden: really BobS: and ya came across what Freed??????? Ronald: haven't been to newsgroups in many moons Dr. Druselius: Some games people were wondering if there was going to be a 20th anniversary celebration for the ColecoVision. BobS: Fred........ Dr. Druselius: I gave them details about ADAMcon 14. Ronald: the way we're going.... probably freddymaiden: what? Ronald: would it be 2003, or 2004 Ronald: ?? BobS: got a message from a; guy who runs a collectors forum about info also Rich Dr. Druselius: I made an ADAM cake last time, do you think a ColecoVision cake will survive the trip from Ohio? rich-c: well, we're still looking for possible events for teh convention BobS: what did your websearch lead you too Fred???????? rich-c: and since it is Aug. 8-12th we don't have that long left Dr. Druselius: CV debuted in 1982. BobS: sure Dr D go for it Ronald: ok, so it would have to be this year freddymaiden: youw e-mail address mostly freddymaiden: haha BobS: ok freddymaiden: lots of info. but need to learn alot about Adam Dr. Druselius: Yeah, events, I am still waiting for Judy to chair some humiliating contest for me :-) BobS: sell start slow and we will throw ALL kinds of help your way freddymaiden: MTAG web not updated i think BobS: well Ronald: freddy, we're having the 14th annual gathering Aug 8 - 11 in Grand Rapids Michigan rich-c: you can have any of our email addresses - which would you like? Dr. Druselius: I volunteer for blind ADAM troubleshooting or left-handed ADAM assembly or something. Judy: that could be done Dr D Dr. Druselius: Power supply toss... rich-c: no, Dale has a new business and a new son and has other things than MTAG on his mind freddymaiden: super Judy: we can put that in, but left handed is done all the time rich-c: hope you did look through the Adamcon section, though Dr. Druselius: "Name that DDP" by listening to it in an audio tape deck... freddymaiden: anyone Dr. Druselius: Not by me, a confirmed rightie :-) rich-c: OK, I'm cleechez@tamcotec.com Ronald: Actually Dr. I wanna see that Halloween outfit that was on the net last year Dr. Druselius: I'm drushel@apk.net BobS: yes, methinks the MTAG page is notdown, jsut visited...it is http://adamcon.org/~mtag/ Dr. Druselius: I can bring it, if you like. Still fits great. Dr. Druselius: *And* I have a genuine TOS communicator! Ronald: that would be thoroughly disgusting and very cool Dr. Druselius: Beeps and everything. rich-c: if the adamcon page were down, we wouldn't be chatting on it! freddymaiden: tks very much shall e-mail sometime Dr. Druselius: Has an 8-second voice recorder in it...I have it set up with Scotty saying "Enterprise to Captain Kirk, we're ready to beam you up." freddymaiden: tks Bob Dr. Druselius: I wear it to class on Halloween every year. BobS: ya sure!!!! Ronald: :) Dr. Druselius: All right, I will wear the costume to the reception or something...make comments about having to construct mnemonic circuits with stone knives and bearskins. Ronald: Reminds me of an early issue of Mad magazine Dr. Druselius: Or Coleco ADAMs. freddymaiden: lol Ronald: "Dammit Scotty, I told you get this *17^% thing fixed" BobS: now, now ron....remember it is only a macintosh George>: huh? freddymaiden: are these chats only on wed? Ronald: no, this is the Pentium Dr. Druselius: Honest to goodness, 2 nights ago I dreamed that someone sent me a singing Star Trek telegram... rich-c: it's OK George, think I'm getting a bit lost too BobS: well Fred, remember......every Wed night at 9PM EST we chat........ Ronald: Multi threads getting tangled BobS: I thik it is chat rich-c: sometimes we get together Saturdays at #, when we remember rich-c: that's 3 freddymaiden: lol Dr. Druselius: PowerMac 6100/66 upgraded to G3/250 here. BobS: and possibly on Sat at 3PM EST if anyone remembers George>: i'm in la la land freddymaiden: ok get the picture.... rich-c: I'm dubious for this weekend - they'e broadcasting LeMans live Ronald: sounds like a reasonable machine Rich D. Dr. Druselius: Also there is the emergency backup chat server (in case this one is down) at http://coleco.cwru.edu/chat/chat.html BobS: tohsiba upgraded to nuthin here............ Dr. Druselius: Cat whisker with earphone? rich-c: Scott hasn't been on tonite, has he? Ronald: tin can and string (remember I'm on an island) George>: no Dr. Druselius: Is he going to come to one of these ADAMcons or not? Meeka: ok folks, I am gonna get going. Bandit wants some attention rich-c: pity - he wants an Amiga and I have a line on a nice one Ronald: Bandit is priority freddymaiden: wow cya Meeka Dr. Druselius: Nite Meeka. Judy: bye, Meeka see you tomorrow Ronald: go straight home Meeka rich-c: right Meeka, walk the dog and take care - see you next time George>: nite Meeka Dr. Druselius: Oh I never told the story of tonight's vacuum cleaner death... Meeka: ok, night
Meeka left chat session BobS: yes, what happened???? rich-c: and we are dying to hear it freddymaiden: lol Dr. Druselius: Christina (eldest daughter, age 15.5) was sweeping in her room. Griiiiinnnnd! Whiiiiinne! Grrrrrrr. Dr. Druselius: "Daddy, there is smoke coming out of it!" Dr. Druselius: So I ran. George>: go on Dr. Druselius: She had unplugged it, fortunately. rich-c: smart kid rich-c: but then we know that freddymaiden: out of a broom? Dr. Druselius: She either swept up something hard, or else it was just old and failed...but the plastic impeller (to suck air in) had shattered and the broken plastic vanes jammed the motor. BobS: vacuum cleaNER Dr. Druselius: (Midwest types like me call it a sweeper) BobS: ya they do that when they hit something had tha happen Dr. Druselius: Motor burned up...it was a Hoover upright, not cheap 10 years ago...but no more metal parts inside. BobS: and when sonly some blades break, the noise is deafening Ronald: just re-designed one myself Ronald: vacuum wouldn't pick up screws worth a damn Dr. Druselius: Nothing to fix, I had it apart, just fragments. rich-c: note to seolf: blue smoke=computer. Black smoke=motor Dr. Druselius: So, I bagged it up for trash.
moved to room Meeting Place freddymaiden: ahhhh Dr. Druselius: I guess off to Wal-Mart tomorrow night to get another one.
changed username to bair BobS: RIGHT ON Rich!!!!! yo go to the head of the class Guy B.: It's the Bair. rich-c: the Bair is on the hunt! BobS: MR Bair !!!!!! BobS: welcome Dr. Druselius: Hello Bob Bair! George>: Hi bair Ronald: hey! The BAIR bair: hi everyone Guy B.: How's Virginia? freddymaiden: hi bair rich-c: Don't buy a Fantom, Dr. D., they just went bust bair: just find Dr. Druselius: Naah, I'm a Hoover guy, I guess. BobS: hows Bair??????? Guy B.: She's doing better. That's great. Dr. Druselius: Dirt Devil would be neat, but I'm saving my pennies for ADAMcon. Judy: Hi, Bair freddymaiden: EUREIKA Ronald: whatever's cheapest BobS: they are just as good as Hoover bair: hi judy rich-c: I think Frances inherited ourv Hoover from her mother George>: eureka ironsides Dr. Druselius: I have to see what they have...this dead Hoover was actually bought at a Hoover store which used to be just down the street. freddymaiden: haha Guy B.: I have a Dirt Devil. Other than a little frayed cord. Still runs, but I do plan to get a new vacuum. Dr. Druselius: I'd love to have my grandma's Hoover...all metal, shiny chrome, indestructable. Judy: that is what I have been using for years freddymaiden: get a shop vac...haha Ronald: mine must be capable of digesting metallic objects rich-c: our's lacks the shiny chrome, but otherwise, yep bair: Iam Dr. Druselius: After she died, her husband sold it with the house sale... Ronald: computer screws, wire resistors rich-c: pushpins... Ronald: :) George>: time for icecream Ronald: yes rich-c: (private joke, freddy) Dr. Druselius: We went through 2 more Hoovers when I was growing up, one was bluish-grey, the other one was that 70s almond yellow color.
(Guy B. gives Judy a can of Diet Coke.) bair: push pins hurt Dr. Druselius: Still have the latter, but the bristles are all gone from its roller, so it is rather useless :-) freddymaiden: tkf fr keeping me advised Ronald... rich-c: Ron couldn't fix a computr without them Dr. Druselius: I guess there's always Electrolux...have you heard the (genuine) advertising tagline used for it in England? Ronald: A long tima ago in a Galaxy far, far away, BobS: Ron has a GIANT pushpin he does Dr. Druselius: "Nothing sucks like an Electrolux" rich-c: do we want to know, Dr. D? bair: it is not that far away Judy: thanks Guy but I don't drink coke at night Ronald: there was an ADAMcon where I was discovered anchoring a memory expander connection to the motherboard with pushpins freddymaiden: hahahha Ronald: I have noy yet heard the end of it Dr. Druselius: The verb has a bit of a different meaning nowadays... BobS: and never will either methinks Ronald: still there, still works George>: try spikes BobS: don't forget the alligator clip attached to the pushpin Ron Dr. Druselius: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Ronald: yup rich-c: only on big computers, George freddymaiden: sure Guy B.: Well folks, got to read the e-mail. I hope to make it for Saturday, depends what I'm doing that day. May help a friend from work install her new modem. So, if I'm not there on Saturday, I'll see you all next week. Dr. Druselius: Ron is a certified Healer of Appliances. BobS: Ron gets an A for ingenuity Ronald: but now..... when the ADAM disassembly contest happens in Comox George>: really big computers rich-c: OK Guy, see you or no, at worst next Wed BobS: ok guy, IF i can remember and the weather promotes staying inside I wil see ya Ronald: how are the contestants to handle the pushpins? Dr. Druselius: What a monster I've created! Judy: bye Guy Dr. Druselius: Bye
Guy B. left chat session Ronald: niters Guy freddymaiden: weuklicht! bair: by guy Ronald: Rich C. Where's daughter tonite? rich-c: so Bob, any news from darkest Indiana? BobS: BAIR, the dance card is filling fast for convention.....gotta commit soon because we NEED ya bair: well not much Dr. Druselius: I miss Virginia razzing me! rich-c: no idea why Pamela isnt on - maybe her social life is interfering Ronald: excuses BobS: Pam, social life?????????? on Wed evening??????? BobS: TERRIBLE !!!!!!!! freddymaiden: humpday George>: huh? Dr. Druselius: "Secret lives of ADAMites, Part XVII: Pamela" rich-c: remember she and her buddies populate half the apartment building freddymaiden: haha rich-c: theres Kimberly and alison and Lindsay and all bair: we are moving everything from the house to garage to re do floors in the house Dr. Druselius: Probably watching HP on DVD or something, I know she was looking forward to it. Ronald: sounds like work to me mr. Bair bair: so wont be coming rich-c: more likely looking at pictures Kimberly brought back from China Ronald: and work is a 4 letter word Dr. Druselius: :-( :-( Ronald: awww. bair: it is I just hope I have enough room rich-c: surely you can spare the three days, Bob rich-c: it isn't that long a drive up from your place Dr. Druselius: Maybe I should swing down your way on my way home...you won't recognize Elanor :-) bair: dont think so it is $10000 rich-c: besides, you'd still have eight weeks to do the floors in rich-c: how many square miles of loor do you have, anyway? Ronald: significant bux bair: cash is also hard to get rich-c: yes, but ten large Yank should refinish all teh floors in a postal code Ronald: brb Dr. Druselius: Speaking of significant...I think I am going to go to be now. I have been up significant hours today (since 4:30 AM)...believe it or not, we shot X-ray movies of our feeding slugs today over at University Hospitals Radiology Department. Early start to avoid the human patients. bair: will it is a sub floor then new carpet Judy: night Dr D Dr. Druselius: For freddy, I'm a biology Ph.D. at CWRU in Cleveland; I study the feeding behavior of giant marine slugs. freddymaiden: really? bair: sI study the feeding of bairs Dr. Druselius: So, it's good night to all, and if we aren't all swimming on Saturday, I'll stop by the chat. Dr. Druselius: Re: slugs, yep, really. Ronald: nite Dr. D. freddymaiden: wow freddymaiden: cya Dr. Ronald: a slug by any other name rich-c: Dr.D., thanks for the research and advice Dr. Druselius: Just published 3 papers this year...3-D modelling, real-time MRI... George>: nite Dr.D Ronald: still kills my primula Dr. Druselius: No prob, Richard, feel free to ask more questions at any time. rich-c: much appreciated freddymaiden: haha Dr. Druselius: I'll bring you a dead one to gloat over, Ron. freddymaiden: aufwiedersehen Dr. Druselius: Gute Nacht Alle! Ronald: oh gosh...gee.....er... thanks....sir
Dr. Druselius left chat session rich-c: guess you can't ship him a return slug, Ron BobS: we're not all as intellectual about slugs as Dr D; Freddy,.....some os us are normal freddymaiden: hahahha rich-c: they dont make freight cars big enough to handle the Pacific coast species freddymaiden: no prob Bob Ronald: they're all DEAD George>: i'm the dummy freddymaiden: lol Ronald: propelled at high velocity over yon back fence rich-c: with a fork lift truck? Ronald: ya George>: oh my back BobS: they probably have GIANt size slugs on the island eh Ron???????? freddymaiden: well nice to chat with you all, better then yest. was nobody but now i know why..... Ronald: You gonna be able to make the con George? rich-c: freddy, you can see pictures of all the folks you have been talking to rich-c: some are on this adamcon site freddymaiden: really BobS: come back again freddy. we wil try to be normal!!!!! rich-c: others are on http://adamcon.hollwdreams.org (no www.) freddymaiden: crazy was fine bair: judy have you played adam bomb Ronald: why am I watching a soccer game that I already know the outcome of? George>: no i'm DOA BobS: got su Ron BobS: us Ronald: I'm not even a soccer fan rich-c: come back soon, freddy Judy: not in the last few weeks have you? freddymaiden: the title dosent seem to relate freddymaiden: haha freddymaiden: ok buy to all and cya Ronald: later freddy..... was good meeting another fellow Canadian BobS: ADAMbomb is WHY we need the Bairs this year!!!!!!! Judy: bye Freddy com e again freddymaiden: likewise its a peasure nice group here....tks fr all the advises freddymaiden: bue freddymaiden: bye George>: bye Freddy bair: no Ihave been bisy may have more terri. classess to go to rich-c: yes, you always seem to have something going on
freddymaiden left chat session Ronald: we are all quite sane really Ronald: sometimes BobS: sane????????? rich-c: speak for yourself, Mitchell Judy: lately it seems to be grand babies George>: who said i was sane? bair: have a big exercise going on pretty soon with are hospitail Judy: they keepme very busy rich-c: full scale disaster drill, Bob? bair: keeps out of trouble Ronald: sound serious BobS: I am the only sane one.......... ;-) rich-c: true, but is the price tag worth it? Ronald: well Bob, sometimes we actually wonder about you too bair: yes for the county rich-c: like insurance, you hope not to use itm but if you do, you're awful glad to have it Ronald: yes bair: yes youare right there BobS: huh, me??????? George>: insurance is a scam Ronald: you da MAN Bob!!! rich-c: naw, BobS, you couldn't be right rich-c: no, insurance is a necessity that often gets abused bair: If Ikeep doing a good job I plan to retire from work and be the director for noble county rich-c: like, the bosses don't do any work? Ronald: neat BobS: when is the retirement date????? George>: i don't know how i got that NORAD screen BobS: i WANT to QUIT too bair: hope in two years BobS: naw you are too young rich-c: so you can come to Adamcon 17! George>: in PHILLY ? rich-c: maybe even ACon 16, depending bair: should have lots of time then Ronald: Bair.... retirement does not bring time Ronald: it sucks it away bair: i hope you are wrong Ronald: no sir rich-c: don't spoil his illusions, Ron Ronald: :) rich-c: he'll find out the truth soon enough Ronald: true BobS: seems like the older I get, the less time I have and I should have more...what with all the kids gone now....... bair: that is what mean rich-c: you're beginning to learn how it works bair: should have lots of free time Ronald: free time eh? Ronald: hmmmm BobS: well kids, the bride and i have to wander yonder .........bedtime so i can get up and go to WORK tomorrow rich-c: yeah, Ropn, what's that? rich-c: you seen any of that stuff lately? BobS: stinks eh???????? Ronald: dirty job Mr. S. but somebody has to do it bair: see ya bob, judy Judy: night all talk to you next week Ronald: damned if I know Rich rich-c: anyway, Bob, Judy, nite now, see you Sat or Wed BobS: give hugs to all who need them, kic in the pants to thos etha need those and have FUN....see ya's later!!!!!
BobS left chat session Ronald: nite to the Slopsemas George>: i have to go. i need to get up early
Judy left chat session Ronald: may your free time be your own rich-c: OK George, see you Sat or next week Ronald: nite George. You guys are all 3 hours too fast George>: ok on Sat. bair: nite george George>: nite all
George> left chat session Ronald: Well let's just say this, Bob Bair, we miss ya. And we'd sure love to see you one of these 'cons rich-c: yes, and time for me to check email and take my inhalers rich-c: Ron, amen to that Ronald: and I'm off to repair a friends computer that seems unrepairable at this point rich-c: don't forget the pushpins Ronald: right. bair: well i have 't for got you gus rich-c: OK gentlemen, nite all till next one Ronald: yup... nite all
rich-c left chat session bair: good ite Ronald: :)
Ronald left chat session bair: see ya later
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changed username to james james: heh. guess i missed everyone. sorry, see you all hopefully next week.
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