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changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Hi Rich rich-c: hello Guy, you're early again rich-c: management's springing you early these days Guy B.: Well, I'm on vacation this week and done with overtime until late July or August. rich-c: ah, any great plans for vacation, or just lazing around?
moved to room Meeting Place Guy B.: Well, saw my doctor today. I got a mild case of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome in my left hand, so I have to get a wrist strap before I return to work on Monday. Otherwise, it's been a good week so far.
changed username to George rich-c: in your job, carpal tunnel syndrome seems an occupational hazard rich-c: hi George Guy B.: And I might be reducing my blood pressure medication since I've lost weight. Guy B.: Hi George George: Hi Rich, Guy rich-c: really? what's your BP been running? rich-c: George, your parcel did get mailed Monday George: 160/120 rich-c: Ouch! Frances' has been 130/80 and her doctor's been nagging her to get it down Guy B.: Today it was 102/60. Last month it was 142/80. That was because of a little stress at work. But, I will find out in a month. Guy B.: My doctor would like me to lose more weight, so a goal has been set. rich-c: well, normal is supposed to be 140/80 so that isn't too bad rich-c: but losing weight is always a prudent idea - short of anorexia Guy B.: A few years ago, it was 160 and that's when I was put on the medication. rich-c: yes, Frances had to take it after her TIA, which gave her a temporary systolic peak of 200 George: i take 2 BP meds. rich-c: how's your BP running, George? Guy B.: I already lost 22 lbs, so she would like to see if I can try to lose more. George: 160/120 Guy B.: Yours is high George. rich-c: see my comments to Guy about that rich-c: if you're 160/120 after a time on meds, you are in sorry shape
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changed username to BobS rich-c: welcome Bob George: i take atenolol and cozaar for it Guy B.: Hi Bob, your early today. BobS: Howdy fells BobS: nnnnnn George: Hi Bob BobS: nope right on time rich-c: not having a BP problem, the meds are unfamiliar to me Guy B.: I did get some good news, my hemoroids have improved. rich-c: well actually Bob, we started 15 minutes ago rich-c: another "benefit" a a sedentary job, Guy BobS: well, WHY?????? it is only 9:07 rich-c: think your clock is a little slow, Bob Guy B.: Well, I don't sit all day. I do get up every so often. Have to keep my knee from getting stiff as well. rich-c: oh, you are having knee stiffness too? rich-c: is it incipient arthritis or something else? Guy B.: In the right knee. BobS: that' George: i started physical therapy for my back. now it hurts 10,000 times worse BobS: s what computer syas and the Wests wing just came on rich-c: that's where my arthritis started, though oddly enough it at least seems well contained for now Guy B.: Might be a little arthritis. I have a knee brace, but I haven't used it for a long time. But, I don't need it. Abby keeps me going. rich-c: no pain, no gain, George - but make sure the therapist knows rich-c: I'd check with the doctor, Guy, see if it's arthritis, ligament dmage, or what Guy B.: George, Rich is right. Therapy isn't working out for you. rich-c: qualify that, Guy - sometimes you do have to endure some discomfort in the early stages George: i see my doctor july 2 Guy B.: I did that sometime ago. It doesn't do it all the time. BobS: NO pain, NO gain........written by a sadist with a ltent disire to hurt people........OR a wise therapist....... rich-c: my lesson of the year is that arthritis can hit suddenly, without warning, and hard BobS: is ther, but.......not bottherin ya...until that day...... George: i'm justfalling apart rich-c: yes, winter I was swingin' free and easy, by May I needed a disability permit BobS: well George, as long as you can get OUT of bed in the morning and are not a pile of parts.....you are ok for now Guy B.: I did have some arthritis in my right foot many years ago. But, that hasn't come back. rich-c: actually today my leg is les temperamental than usual, only hurts a little rich-c: you mean we gotta get out of bed to know we're OK, Bob? BUMMER! George: retreat to bed
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changed username to Pamela rich-c: hi daughter Pamela: hi there BobS: HIYA Pamela!!!!!! Guy B.: Well, Pam is early today. George: and covers over my head George: Hi Pam rich-c: not in today's temps, George, if they're anything like ours rich-c: today we could actually mistake it for summer Pamela: Yeah, but I can't stay long, I have work to finish Guy B.: What are you working on? rich-c: what are you up to know, Pam? George: summer is here in a couple of days Pamela: I brought work home - I'm off Friday and the last two days have gotten sabotaged, and Bev is going out on audit on Monday Pamela: so Ihave to finish this stuff before I leave the office tomorrow BobS: just told Meeka to get her bones over here 'cause Pam is here rich-c: ah, office stuff Guy B.: Whoa, talk about getting bombed. You certainly got it today. rich-c: still, I guess having the work programs on your computer does have its advantages rich-c: some days it's easier to work from home Pamela: one of the reasons I bought this computer was because it had Lotus Smartsuite 9 on it Pamela: well, I was at the office till 7:45 yesterday - I wasn't about to repeat that tonite Guy B.: My sister in-law has that on hers. She really likes it. rich-c: why? your work licence likely would have covered Speedy to install it for you Pamela: twelve hour work days are not my thing BobS: what Lotus Smartsuite 9 ????????
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changed username to Meeka Pamela: yup rich-c: hi Meeka Pamela: Hi, Meeka! Guy B.: Hi Meeka. George: Hi Meeka Meeka: Hello Everyone BobS: well bless me soul........... rich-c: Lotus is the thinking man's alternative to MS Office Guy B.: Bob, Lotus Smartsuite is like MS Office. BobS: oh, that sounds like WORK Pamela: Bob, Lotus has a package out which includes Lotus 1-2-3, Wordpro, Approach, Organizer etc Meeka: how are you all doing? Pamela: I like it better than MS stuff Pamela: I've tried working in Excel and Word and don't find them as user friendly as the Lotus versions Guy B.: Lotus 1-2-3 used to be the most popular spreadsheet until Excel knocked it off. George: i'm for dead today BobS: AH SO !!!!!! rich-c: I'm limping around a little better than usual today, Meeka BobS: speakin if which, james is a long time no show, yes???? Pamela: I'm with George BobS: naw, it is beautful here on the deck rich-c: well, he has missed the last week or two Pamela: it's been about four weeks, Bob Pamela: DECK??? Meeka: I agree. I am outside also BobS: got the tv out here and the puter and the breeze in the trees, about 78-80 degrees Guy B.: SmartSuite has a very easy to use database program. I helped my sister in-law create a name and address database. BobS: AH, the life!!!!! Guy B.: I got my front door open with a fans running and one tired dog. Pamela: That's Approach Guy. it's the program I use at work to track our claims losses BobS: put in phone line, antenna and power sos I can be outside for the summer rich-c: I can see running the power cord out there, but do you have an outside phone jack too? BobS: put in permanent connections wall mount in the garage wall Guy B.: I knew that was the one it had to be. Just couldn't remember the name. Meeka: We jsut got rid of wires all together. we are wireless now BobS: 'cept for power Guy B.: That's great. So where's the host located? rich-c: Man! Chez Slopsema, tehcnology strikes again George: i have spaghetti BobS: was going to do it for a few years. finally got off my dead butt and did it this spring
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changed username to Freddymaiden Pamela: no bugs, Bob? Guy B.: Hi Freddy rich-c: hello Fred and welcome BobS: YO Freddy!!!!!! Freddymaiden: Hi all BobS: welcome back mon Freddymaiden: tks rich-c: or should I say, bienvenue George: Hi Freddy Freddymaiden: thats great Freddymaiden: hi rich-c: glad you have seen fit to join us again Freddymaiden: allo BobS: HEY, my french sucks Pamela: Do we get an introduction? Freddymaiden: sertainly BobS: Fred, pam....Pam Fred........ rich-c: Fred Koz, from la belle ville de Montreal
(BobS groans loudly) Freddymaiden: oui Pamela: ah - parlez vous Franglais? George: ouch! Freddymaiden: oui Pamela: tres bien Freddymaiden: super ca Freddymaiden: haha rich-c: it's OK George, Franglais is a Canadian local joke Pamela: : ) BobS: Pamela ??????? Clee to be EXACTG, well respected and illustrious daughter of senior clee Freddymaiden: lol George: english! english! Pamela: pourquois? Freddymaiden: anything is o.k. to me Guy B.: Some of us don't use Francais. Pamela: I must question the illustrious part, Bob BobS: oh ok.......... Freddymaiden: with a name like Guy? rich-c: along the Ontario/Quebec border, George, folks speak a sort of mixture of French and English - we call it Franglais BobS: well, he says it like as in "nice Guy" not at 'Gee" Freddymaiden: hahahahah Freddymaiden: ok Guy B.: Oh, I found out the hard way about the French one. You guys remember Guy Cousineau?> rich-c: see? we've taught Bob the difference Pamela: I thought Franglais was the combo of the two ie: Pont Mercier Bridge George: tv off BobS: had a 'Gee' Cousineau, but he is incognito BobS: as of late rich-c: though actually, "Bona" could well be French or Italian in ancestry BobS: si senor Pamela: my guess would be Italian George: oh no BobS: sprechend si deutch????? Guy B.: It's Italian. Short for Bonavolanta. rich-c: bingo BobS: Ah, a pizza LOVER George: HELP! Freddymaiden: italian in lasalle by mercier brige maybe Freddymaiden: ya wolen Guy B.: We are driving George bonkers here. George: surely Freddymaiden: icht specht bissel Pamela: okay, now I'm lost rich-c: oh, now you're talking Brit and confusing him more Freddymaiden: that was German BobS: sprchen klina betchen....... Pamela: which is difficult unless you stray out of the Romance languages
(A strange smell wafts around the room) BobS: must be the dea poets Freddymaiden: thats what i wanted to write i speak it better rich-c: well, Dutch is a sort of corrup[t Deutsche ;=) Pamela: isn't there a vowel missing from that last sentence Bob? Freddymaiden: lol George: select all delete BobS: yes, and dutch has many diff dialects also BobS: ya ma'am Pamela: see, even in Dutch you have fimble ningers! BobS: fingers dont' co-operate or it is the keyboard can't keep up because I type so FAST rich-c: George's revenge: he speaks DOS on us! Freddymaiden: lol
(BobS winks) George: format c: /u Pamela: ah, the old "keyboard can't spell" argument Freddymaiden: lol Pamela: Meeka, is Doug around? BobS: oh man......last night I did something and my keybaored went NUTS, must have put it into another mode BobS: O was 5, etc Meeka: no. I need to finsh these vefore I go back to those George: get a$ Freddymaiden: was the v a German joke? Pamela: neat trick Bob BobS: function + little square box with calculator type sybols in it rich-c: nope, just our typical search-discover and land typing style Freddymaiden: ha o.k. BobS: th5s 5s 5t!!!!!! that was ....this is it rich-c: your're using the laptop? BobS: yup Pamela: no wonder rich-c: no wonder your typing is even worse than usual BobS: it's a wee bonny computer Pamela: ach rich-c: unless you want to ype fast and accurately on it rich-c: that is not a strength of laptops Pamela: want to what Dad? George: i want aol for ADAM w/ 300 baud modem BobS: forget AOL George..........they are a disease rich-c: sorry, AOL (Compuserve) shut down their 300 baud connection a couple of yers back rich-c: that's why all the Adam folks left them BobS: find a friend with a dial up of his own and get him to give you a shell account BobS: AND they dumped ASCII dialins BobS: so.....that left out all the vintage computer users George: where can you get ADAM modems? BobS: BAM rich-c: by the way, did you-all notice that Mozilla has now been issued in version 1.0? BobS: ADAM'S HOUSE.....or better yet ......Richard Clee seior BobS: senior Guy B.: And BBS's are just about extinct too I guess. BobS: pamells papa BobS: \darn dingers rich-c: they're lying around, George - no one wants them because they can't be used online any more Pamela: that's a new spelling bob BobS: ya sure Pamela: I'll add it to the list George: darn it BobS: was colse though ya gotta admit Pamela: close to what?
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changed username to freddymaiden freddymaiden: now working and im by myself great!!!! freddymaiden: be right back if anybody appears suddenly freddymaiden: hi
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changed username to DrD. WB: Hello Ron! WB: Hello Dr. D
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changed username to Ron Ron: that would be me DrD.: A brace of Mitchells. Ron: indeed Ron: anyway...all's well that ends well....how is everyone DrD.: I was pooped out after mowing the yard this evening, had just logged in to check mail before bedtime. Ron: one of us has to leave Ron: one is iMac, one is IBM Ron: ok.... knew something was up
Ron left chat session Ron: there. iMac has left the building DrD.: Someone with an over-full garage gave me 2 Pentium 90 laptops (active matrix color) for free...I am converting them into dedicated ADAMem systems. Ron: neat Ron: Adamem should work well on those DrD.: They were flakey, just needed to be taken apart, cleaned, and all ribbon cables reseated. DrD.: I'm putting only DOS 6.22 on them, even though they have 24 MB RAM. Ron: has been my experience with 90% of the old gear that turns up here. Never much wrong with it Ron: that'll do for Adamem DrD.: One unit was the guy's wife's...it started acting up, so he scrounged a second unit for parts. DrD.: Never got around to doing anything with either of them...and it was spring cleaning time. Ron: familiar story DrD.: "Free to good home" was the Subject: of his post to apk.general. Ron: and certainly, a good home have they found DrD.: There was a boatload of other early Pentium desktop stuff in there that I had no interest in. DrD.: I am just trying to minimize junkload to bring to ADAMcon 14 :-) Ron: we have a 'computer recycle' day here this coming Sunday Ron: I will contribute much to the event DrD.: Easier to run ADAMserve off of a laptop than my whole '486 setup that you've seen in the past. Ron: oh yes Ron: my basement is like your friend's garage DrD.: I also scavenged a Xircom parallel port network adapter, so I can put it on the net here at home. Ron: that's a plus Ron: speaking of such things..... DrD.: The laptops each have a PCMCIA slot, but network cards are still $100 for that...too much. DrD.: ...yes? Ron: do you know of a DOS emulator for an 68040 mac that would run in 20 meg or RAM? DrD.: Hmmmm. Ron: I've got a laptop here .. power book 540C DrD.: Not sure if RealPC requires a PPC or not. Ron: most of 'em do these days Ron: thers one called Bochs that claims to run on 680x0 computers, but it is painfully slow DrD.: That's the DOS emulator I use (works well, I put Win98 into it once for kicks on a G3/400 system). FWB Software sells it, I think $39 US for RealPC with DOS only. DrD.: I will check my manual tomorrow when I go to work. Ron: guess what I need is a previous version of something Ron: Would appreciate that Rich. if you get a chance DrD.: I remember reading on alt.folklore.computers once about a cascade of emulators: Ron: have been combing the internet pages, and most need a power PC DrD.: Amiga running an MS-DOS emulator running MY-Z80 running MS-BASIC: a FOR-NEXT loop to count 1-10 took something like 30 seconds. Ron: geez Ron: that's about the way Bochs runs.... it will load eventually but.... DrD.: The Amigas with 040 systems, so there must be some DOS emulator around that isn't terrible on that architecture. DrD.: Make that "were 040 systems". Ron: one would think so DrD.: There is one Centris 650 left running in our lab, if RealPC will work on 040s, I'll try it out. Ron: problem may solve itself in Grand Rapids. Gonna buy one of Doug Slopsema's leasebacks DrD.: "leaseback"? Ron: a laptop that has been out on lease to someone, and has been returned. Doug and Bob have a source, and they Ron: sell them P166's at about $250 US Ron: which is about $200 below what one would cost here.... even with the dollar difference DrD.: Will run Win98 or NT4 okay, will bog down on Win2K, won't run XP at all. Ron: matters not. Just looking for something that will run the emulator and go on the net DrD.: How will you get it back home through customs? Ron: It will be an item that I purchased whilst Stateside DrD.: Is the border very tight nowadays? Ron: if all else fails, I'll get Doug to mail it to me Ron: would assume that one is still allowed to buy items.....usually with laptops, they ask you to turn it on to establish Ron: that it is what it appears to be DrD.: Boot to my Win2K for ColecoVision :-) Complete with Blue Screen of Death :-) Ron: but you raise a good point. Willl have to ask somebody in customs
WB left chat session Ron: :) Ron: Virtual PC 4.0 in the iMac runs Win2k just fine. DrD.: Looks like WB left...who was WB? Ron: emulator also runs there Ron: Willie Burnside Ron: not sure exactly where he lives DrD.: I remember that name vaguely. DrD.: Re: emulator under Virtual PC...ick. Ron: he lurks, sometimes speaks, but not often DrD.: My boss tried to run some of my kinematic modelling code (for MS-DOS) under various flavors of Virtual PC. Ron: Well I dunno. It suffices. Ron: Latest version (5.0) requires at least a 450 Meg G3 Ron: mine is 333M DrD.: Ran fine in the Win98 version, bombed totally under Win2K (runs fine under both real versions on real Wintel hardware). Ron: really! Ron: how much memory you got? DrD.: SVGA graphics are imperfectly emulated, it seems. DrD.: Gosh, this was on a Titanium with 256 MB RAM. Ron: that should work Ron: I mean, on my iMac, I know I'm running on an emulator (speed wise), but it's passable for what I do DrD.: The competing emulator, SoftWindows (now defunct, I think) always had a bug in its FPU emulator. Ron: right. DrD.: I had a program (compiled QuickBASIC) which would run fine on GenuineIntel but cause a FPU exception when emulated under SoftWindows. DrD.: But of course its SVGA graphics emulation was *fine* for my model...can't win, it seems. Ron: probably a corner where nobody had ever looked, neither programmers or customers DrD.: SoftWindows would run on an 040, I 'm pretty sure. Ron: never tried it.... but from what I've heard, I gather it did, yes DrD.: I remember trying it from my old desktop machine at the time, which was an LCII. Ron: 68020? Ron: or 030? DrD.: I guess you could always put BSD on your 040 and then run the *NIX DOS emulator :-) DrD.: Hmmm...I think maybe it was an 030. Ron: Now there's a thought Ron: been trying various install's of Debian Potato for 680x0. problem is that the powerbook doesn't have an FPU DrD.: Not sure if BSD supports the graphics toolbox yet, though. Lots of the Mac ports apparently use a dumb terminal connected to a serial port. Ron: and that's required DrD.: Isn't there some software FPU available? I think it might even be called "SoftFPU". DrD.: I vaguely remember a IIcx or IIci with some software FPU on it. Ron: If I could get a Linux install to work, I could use the Unix version of Adamem DrD.: That needs Xwindows, right? Ron: yes, there's a workaround aparently Ron: No, I don't think it does. The binary would compile from the command mode DrD.: PowerBook 170 with Linux...that would be interesting. Ron: there must be a way Ron: I just haven't found it yet DrD.: Sonnet Technologies is selling a $100 board to give a G3 upgrade to LC-class machines...also has built-in Ethernet and extra RAM. Ron: always something beyond what I have do I want. Never satisfied am I DrD.: I'm thinking about it very seriously...the LCII has a nice tiny desktop footprint. DrD.: You sound like Yoda :-) Ron: :) Ron: my son's influence DrD.: Seen SW2 yet? Ron: nope....it's on here. Waiting for Jeff to come up. He and his girlfriend will be here July 1 weekend. We'll probably go Ron: see it then DrD.: I don't like it :-( I don't like what they did to Yoda in it :-( Ron: oh? Ron: Have heard criticism of the script, but they they always get that Ron: don't tell me DrD.: (1) no more puppet, he's all CGI now. Moves wrong. (2) they make him into Jackie Chan at one point, IMHO a serious mischaracterization. YMMV of course. DrD.: My robot students all loved it. Ron: oh...ok. yeah, that might change things about the character DrD.: So I guess I'm now an old geezer. Ron: I'm sure they did DrD.: Especially point (2). Ron: I probably won't Ron: just because the technology exits, doesn't mean one should use it DrD.: George Lucas should have been hit by a bus in 1985, and gone down as a genius. DrD.: Now, alas...he goes down as a dud. DrD.: For a while there was the question about who was better, Lucas or Spielberg? I think it's pretty clear now. Ron: has he finished with the Star Wars story yet, or will there be yet another? DrD.: Still one more movie to go. Ron: I'm not familiar with the order of the episodes Ron: our link has slowed right up DrD.: I want Annakin's first act as Vader to be the painful death of Messr. Binks... Ron: good idea DrD.: Fat chance of that, though :-) Ron: wasn't much on JarJar Ron: I suppose one has to inject these types into the story. Am tempted to compare him to Sir John Falstaff Ron: but that probably isn't valid DrD.: Not sure why Jar-Jar was put in, except maybe to make kids <=6 squeal. Everyone else seems to be revolted by him. Ron: exactly Ron: who knows how these decisions are made DrD.: One decisions I think I'm going to make is to adjourn for this evening and go to sleep...I am yawning to split my head open :-( Ron: was just thinking....it's 11pm in your part of the land Ron: Enjoyed the chat Rich... take care DrD.: Nice to catch you here tonight...good night. Ron: nite
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