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changed username to Ms. Rin FredK: Hi Ms Rin Ms. Rin: Hi FredK FredK: Im in Mtl and you? Ms. Rin: Windsor FredK: do I know you? Ms. Rin: RichC is my uncle & Pam is my cousin FredK: Ahhh there we go.... Ms. Rin: ? FredK: I mean now its more clear...haha Ms. Rin: do i know u? FredK: well probably not or hardly, correspond lots with Rich, from Mirabel aerea Quebec.... Ms. Rin: ahhhh....so I have not met you in this chat before FredK: dont recall really but sometimes there are so many ppl it can get confusing... Ms. Rin: yeah......well I'm new.....i got some of the introductions the week before the last convention Ms. Rin: i stop by once in a while FredK: was i presented as FreddyMaiden perhaps? Ms. Rin: that would be it!!!!!!! FredK: you had another name too i think... Ms. Rin: last time I went by Baby Erin FredK: There ya go!!! FredK: 2 strangers finally on earth.... Ms. Rin: :) Ms. Rin: so how's it going? FredK: I think they where trying to match you werent they? Ms. Rin: i think so Ms. Rin: hehehe FredK: :)
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changed username to Daniel Bienvenu FredK: Salut Dan ca va? Daniel Bienvenu: Oui, ça va! et toi? FredK: ouais! Daniel Bienvenu: pas plus que ça? Ms. Rin: Bonjour Daniel!!! Daniel Bienvenu: bonjour Rin! FredK: fatigue pas mal... Daniel Bienvenu: fatigue... grosse semaine quoi? FredK: oui! FredK: Rin, Dan is from Quebec city... Ms. Rin: I sorta know Daniel Ms. Rin: doesn't like politics Daniel Bienvenu: :) Ms. Rin: :) FredK: :) I dont blame him... Ms. Rin: frankly neither do I FredK: LOL Ms. Rin: but it's a living FredK: Yeah say what you need ppl to hear...haha FredK: emphasize on SAY....hihi Ms. Rin: who me????? nahhhhhhh FredK: :) Ms. Rin: i love my job
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changed username to rich-c FredK: Seriously im sure you do... FredK: Hi Rich Ms. Rin: sure Daniel Bienvenu: Rich! rich-c: Bienvenue tout le monde! Ms. Rin: Hi uncle Richard rich-c: I Rin - have you admitted to our two Francophones that you can cope a bit in francais? Ms. Rin: je ne parl pas francais Ms. Rin: :) FredK: lol rich-c: A propos - Pamela had to work really late tonight but hopes to join us later Ms. Rin: oh good FredK: Nows the time to learn dear the whole country should be bilingual .... Ms. Rin: oh I agree Daniel Bienvenu: My english is not good enough to translate. Ms. Rin: Monsieur Trudeau FredK: you too Dan.... FredK: lol rich-c: Yes, having a second language is always an asset to anyone Daniel Bienvenu: sorry, I miss two saturday chat sessions. rich-c: Toronto is almost wholly bilingual, it's just that the second language is Italian, or Portuguese, or Hebrew, or Urdu. or Punjabi, or... Ms. Rin: hehehe Ms. Rin: i'd like to speak at least 4 languages FredK: well i got 3 to teach...lol Daniel Bienvenu: 2 languages is enough for me... or my brain will explode! *pouf* rich-c: c'est la vie, Daniel; you are not obliged to attend! Ms. Rin: :D FredK: Rich, is there a fight for 2nd place language in YYZ, seems confusing... rich-c: I missed one but then figured out I could chat on the laptop in the living room and watch the football game at the same time
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changed username to BobS Daniel Bienvenu: who's there? rich-c: no, in Toronto I think Italian has won, with Cantonese the leader in some suburbs, not srue of the others... Daniel Bienvenu: Bob! rich-c: allo Robert! BobS: yavool !!!!!! Ms. Rin: hi Bob FredK: Hi BobS rich-c: missed you last week - where were you-all? BobS: now listen closely !!!!!! BobS: Hi all FredK: .....
moved to room Meeting Place BobS: got a question. does ANYONE know of written instructions for the Sound Digitizer from Sid Carter?????? BobS: Richard??????
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: no, don't have any myself, Bob, or any leads Daniel Bienvenu: hello (who is entering room?)! BobS: got curious and started playing with it (also have an Eve one) and it seems to work, but has no isntructions on disk, the prgoram is greek to me and then I am stuclk
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changed username to Dr.D.<back soon> Ms. Rin: George!!!!! how's your hand? rich-c: hi George, missed you Saturday FredK: Hi George! Daniel Bienvenu: Dr. D. !! :) Dr.D.<back soon>: Have to take Christina somewhere, back in about 30 minutes. George Wahl: Hi everyone rich-c: welcome. Rich Ms. Rin: Hi Dr. D FredK: Later Doc... BobS: hi geo Daniel Bienvenu: see you later Dr. D. BobS: and WHO is ms rin???????? FredK: Baby Erin that is... rich-c: that's my niece, lives in Windsor Ms. Rin: :) BobS: ah so !!!!!! BobS: hokay George Wahl: i fell asleep Sat. rich-c: works in the office of a cabinet minister there FredK: dont fall off the cabinet ay? rich-c: sort of wish I could say teh same, George; the football game was plain painful to watch
BobS changed username to Judy George Wahl: sorry Judy: Hi, everyone rich-c: Fred, FYI, picked up one or two more game carts recently Ms. Rin: hi Judy rich-c: hello Judy
Daniel Bienvenu changed username to Daniel B. <BRB> Judy: How is everyone FredK: Really ......wich are they FredK: Hi Judy rich-c: missing you - you wren't here last week George Wahl: Hi Ms. Judy
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changed username to Bob S Judy: no, we were in the hospital with Ryan Bob S: YO gang I's BACK !!!!!!!! rich-c: many duplicates of the list, Fred, but add Mousetrap, Looping, one or two others rich-c: in hospital, Judy? What went wrong? George Wahl: oops full moon FredK: was that a mistake G?
(A dog howls in the distance) Judy: Ryan had a closed head injury, caused by the stepdad Ms. Rin: oh my George Wahl: my pants fell down rich-c: that says an awful lot without revealing anything, Judy FredK: G thats a full moon alright... rich-c: but I am not at all happy with the implications
Daniel B. <BRB> changed username to Daniel Bienvenu Daniel Bienvenu: Hello Judy! Judy: he has been in jail already and we have Ryan and Mandy here Judy: hi, Daniel FredK: etch... rich-c: the first part is a relief, the second a burden for you Judy: it has been awful, but Ryan is getting better, but it may take him a long time for him to get all better Daniel Bienvenu: There is any information about the coleco (bios) "playing sound routine" ? My WAV2CV tool works only with the Coleco library by Marcel de Kogel. rich-c: those injuries can be more than just physical - fortunately he has very supportive grandparents Judy: it he didn't he would not be here anymore,she almost lost him rich-c: I would bet, Daniel, that it is in the Adam Technical Manual somewhere rich-c: you might ask Dr. D. about it when he returns George Wahl: Hi Daniel Judy: we were in court Monday and Mandy can not take Ryan anywhere by herself Daniel Bienvenu: Hi George! rich-c: again awkward but likely for the best, Judy rich-c: I can appreciate how hard this is on you and Bob Judy: it is awful Judy: but we are trying to deal with it all rich-c: Daniel, if you can find a TI manual for the 9918/9928 chip that should ahve what you want Daniel Bienvenu: What I want is not about the sound chip but about the sound routine in coleco bios. George Wahl: i'm glad this isn't a video chat. it would be a disaster for me FredK: now its an audio chat G.... rich-c: I wouldn't have to worry - I'd break the camera George Wahl: i'm going all to pieces rich-c: again, Daniel, I'm sure Dr. D. will have your anser right off the top of his head Judy: brb have to check a website for Mandy Daniel Bienvenu: ok, and about the RAM in ColecoVision game system.. it's only !K, right? Daniel Bienvenu: only 1K ram? rich-c: well, it has to have the video RAM to support the 9918 chip, so there would be 16K there rich-c: I'm guessing that the EOS or OS7 could be firmware and not need any supporting RAM George Wahl: huh? rich-c: I know that to make the Adam, Coleco made the "expansion model 3" to work with the CV FredK: there not talking about dodge trucks George... Ms. Rin: hehehe rich-c: and the Exp3 module had a full 64K of RAM, which considering the computer was advertised as 64K suggested none on the game board
(Bob S groans loudly) George Wahl: oh, i thought it was Toyotas Ms. Rin: zing rich-c: in fact, Coleco sometimes described the Adam as 80K, counting in the video RAM rich-c: which was shall we say skating on ethically thin ice FredK: Now the icecapades George..
Dr.D.<back soon> changed username to Dr.D. George Wahl: huh? Dr.D.: Okay I am back. Ms. Rin: hi Dr. D FredK: Dr's in the house Dan.. rich-c: just in time, Rich, Daniel needs a road to the CV sound routines Dr.D.: Reading some extremely disturbing stuff on the Slopsema front!!!! I don't know what to say... FredK: brb Bob S: pray for the little guy and hope the courts take care of the rest rich-c: you're supposed to curse under your breath like the rest of us, Rich Bob S: won't help....... Dr.D.: Joan tells me too many stories from work. rich-c: helps our heads, if not the situation Bob S: last week Wed at 8PM started the wseek form He** Dr.D.: Re: CV sound routines.
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changed username to Meeka Daniel Bienvenu: hello meeka! Bob S: MEEKA !!!!!!! rich-c: hello Meeka. Erin's here but Pam will be late Meeka: Hello everyone Ms. Rin: hi meeka Dr.D.: No commented source for OS7 (the CV OS) exists in electronic text format. FredK: HI Meeka Bob S: Don ain't ALL bad......... Bob S: got off cheap with the car this time George Wahl: Hi Meeka Bob S: and he is not even mad at you Dr.D.: The commented source is included in the ADAM Technical Manual. rich-c: what happened with teh car, Bob? FredK: Right there RichC Dr.D.: But that's the part I haven't retyped from my hard copy. Daniel Bienvenu: Dr.D : My problem is : my WAV2CV tool to convert a WAV file into CV format doesn't work for the sound routine in Coleco bios and I want to "update" my tool. Meeka: what did Don say about the car Dad? Bob S: had a bad hose from the PCV valve into the throat which had a crack w\hich contracted cold and warmed up hot so was a little tougher to find Bob S: cold it ran like SHI& Dr.D.: Clarify for me, Daniel: your tool works with the ADAM BIOS, but not the CV BIOS? Daniel Bienvenu: My WAV2CV tool is based on the Coleco library made by Marcel de Kogel. Bob S: changed tranny fluid and all and got off for just over 200 bucks US rich-c: I just made the down payment on my truck rebuild today - should end up about ten large Meeka: cool!! Bob S: stupid check engine light pops on still, but that will have to burn out by itself George Wahl: we need a windows for Adam Bob S: as in $10,000 Dr.D.: I don't know what Marcel's library looks like. rich-c: 10-4 Bob S: of $1000 Bob S: or Dr.D.: I do know that some of the ADAM video and sound BIOS routines were slightly changed from the CV versions. Dr.D.: Some was bugfix. FredK: brb Dr.D.: Game controller API is different between ADAM and CV. Ms. Rin: i'll be back in a bit rich-c: anyway, ordered the conversion kit plus some upgrade pieces in from Saskatchewan Dr.D.: It would probably be easiest for me to photocopy the CV BIOS (OS7) and mail it to you, Daniel. rich-c: now I have to decide on which engine I want Dr.D.: The ADAM EOS BIOS (EOS5) exists in complete commented form on the online ADAM Technical Manual. George Wahl: oh, poo poo Dr.D.: Although this is my commented disassembly, not the actual EOS5 comments from the real hard-copy ADAM Technical Manual. rich-c: no, George, zoom zoom Dr.D.: I didn't have access to the original EOS5 source when I made my commented disassembly. Daniel Bienvenu: Dr.D. Do you think I will be able to use an OCR soft to convert your Coleco BIOS scan into a text form? Dr.D.: So if you give me a postal address, Daniel, I will mail you a copy of the CV BIOS source code. rich-c: you still likely did a bett4er job than the factory, Rich George Wahl: no, i keep hitting the wrong keys rich-c: that's OK George, my typewriter can't spell either George Wahl: i'm butter fingers Dr.D.: No way OCR will work on these listing photocopies, Daniel: the copies are too poor. A human can read it, but to correct the OCR, would be more work (and less accuracy) than a knowledgeable programmer just retyping it all, starting from a disassembly listing made with some tool like Z80DIS22. Dr.D.: That's why I retyped the ADAM Technical Manual for the webpage, just no other way to get it done accurately. Daniel Bienvenu: I suppose I stll have your e-mail address somewhere... I will send you my postal address. FredK: Was Meganne's baptism this weekend Dr.D.: Send to firstname.lastname@example.org rich-c: right, so preoccupied almost forgot that was due
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changed username to Judy Daniel Bienvenu: hello again Judy! FredK: haha super!!! was a very nice celebration.. Meeka: hi Mom rich-c: lots of family about, I would guess? Judy: I am back, took the computer back from Mandy FredK: 40 ppl about... Judy: hello, dear rich-c: you must have had fun - like herding cats! Judy: we had a great day today FredK: yeah the bartender (me) at home was dead tired after that day..... rich-c: fatigue or ivre? FredK: bit of both Rich Daniel Bienvenu: Dr. D. : you will receive my postal address in a few secondes. rich-c: it's hardd to resist not taking a little sample now and then Dr.D.: Merci Daniel. FredK: My Wife also met her (bearth) mother for the first time after 27years....
moved to room Meeting Place Daniel Bienvenu: "hey! correct me sometimes .. to perfect my english" rich-c: Sylvie is an adopted child, then? FredK: correct
changed username to i-mac West FredK: Her mother is from New Brunswick.. rich-c: hello Ron! FredK: Hi Ron i-mac West: Evening All Dr.D.: Address received. rich-c: an Acadienne, no doubt? Daniel Bienvenu: i-mac = Ron ? hi Ron! FredK: Bullseye RichC nothing to hide from you I tell ya!! Daniel Bienvenu: Dr. D. : ok! i-mac West: merci monsieur Dr.D.: "I, Mac"--a lost Asimov story? FredK: lol Bob S: lo ronald i-mac West: could be Judy: Hi, Ron rich-c: isn't it the one that featured Klaatu? i-mac West: you Bob i-mac West: meant YO! Bob Bob S: :-) Dr.D.: mitchell barada comox rich-c: hey Ron, ordered teh parts today to convert the van for the run to Adamcon i-mac West: aha! i-mac West: like long long climbing poles? rich-c: still have to decide on the engine version but have the conversion kit coming i-mac West: yes, an engine would be good Bob S: naw, just use mouses.........multi mouse power............ rich-c: got to decide between generic used, rebuilt, or factory crate engine Judy: hard to drive with out one Bob S: kinda like multi port.........' i-mac West: decisions, decisions rich-c: mouse power mounts no mountains, Bob Judy: that is good, Rich Bob S: well let them suckers agrt a good run at the mountains FredK: Does anyone know if I can add a 5/14 disk drive to my Compaq 2000series with WinXP? i-mac West: Once you get this side of the Rockies, pushing becomes easier Bob S: why not?????? Dr.D.: WinXP supports no 5.25 drives.
Daniel Bienvenu changed username to Daniel B <BRB> Bob S: shoudl be a motherboard bios control feature, not an XP featurte rich-c: I am not sure any version of Windows after 98SE supports 5-1/4 drives Bob S: OUCH FredK: :( rich-c: like, your computer can handle it but your OS of choice won't Dr.D.: BIOS schmios, if the OS doesn't allow the device to exist, it doesn't exist. FredK: Tks Gang! Bob S: Bill is a PERVERT Dr.D.: No doubt you can buy some XP-compatible driver at large cost for legacy support. i-mac West: Meeka, it's probably a little late to be asking, but I take it you recovered from the knee/ankle injury in August? rich-c: that's OK, Steve J doesn't believe in any kind of disc drives at all Dr.D.: Yeah I'm not happy about that one, either. Meeka: pretty much, still get a twinge now and then, but not limping anymore rich-c: won't even put them in his machines or leave a place for them i-mac West: my iMac disk drive is on the other side of the room Daniel B <BRB>: I didn't receive any feedback about the "glacier.pp" file send to adam list. i-mac West: glad to hear it Meeka. That was quite a bump
Daniel B <BRB> changed username to Daniel Bienvenu rich-c: connected by a VERY long cable, too, right? i-mac West: yup. Dr. D. talks about "speaking unto the ether" Around here that happens a lot rich-c: I think too many of us are having problems working the emulator i-mac West: Thank the Good Lord for the ether FredK: Fr games Rich dont have too many probs....tested the Basic and was o.k. too.. Bob S: sorry danile got too busy with other stuff Bob S: BUT I am assuming that the PP file is already into Powerpaoint format???????? i-mac West: I must get to work on ADAM stuff Daniel Bienvenu: But you can open a PP file with BMP2PP for Windows... rich-c: I'm told Daniels games are fun - wich I could get my Emulator going i-mac West: much to do. 11-1/2 months will go by fast rich-c: it worked fine at Adamcon and has been uncooperative since I got home FredK: Dan's games are fun....like the jumpman jr. Judy: you have plenty of time Ron Dr.D.: snicker Bob S: website for downloading again....Daniel?????????????????? i-mac West: damn tea has gone cold - brb Daniel Bienvenu: huh? jumpman jr? I didn't program Jumpman Jr! Daniel Bienvenu: http://www.geocities.com/newcoleco/ Daniel Bienvenu: it's my Coleco web site FredK: no that was just a side comment.....sorry Dan! rich-c: a propos, Daniel, those hostory websites for Coleco that you mentioned were fascinating rich-c: in fact I ended up downloading the whole text from one of them Daniel Bienvenu: Someone (in the Adam list) reply me and said all the prototypes was done. i-mac West: Oh COOL Music! Daniel Bienvenu: THey are not only rumor i-mac West: Impressive site Daniel rich-c: the only one I can think of who would know for sure is Phil Kozowski
Dr.D. created room Tartarus /Tartarus Dr.D.: I am almost ready to release the final restored version of the 5.25" ADAMnet floppy disk schematic. Daniel Bienvenu: Dr. D. : great! Bob S: did someone get Shawn straightened out about the disk in sensor for his drive ???????? rich-c: does that mean someone skiled in electronics might be able to fix one of them, then? Bob S: and Ronald me boy......are getting adalist measseges thru??????? Dr.D.: There are just a couple bits I haven't deciphered yet...and I need to doublecheck all the components against a real disk drive. Dr.D.: I did find one error in the schematic, which I have corrected. Dr.D.: I also can make a few additions to show what a 320K or 720K disk drive looks like. rich-c: I have lots of dead Coleco disc drives Bob S: adamlist messages thru to your mailbox?????? Dr.D.: I bet most of your dead drives are voltage regulator-related, rich. Daniel Bienvenu: I have one dead Coleco disk drive. Dr.D.: The design of the rectifier and regulator section of the 160K drives is terrible. rich-c: it seems most highly probable, Rich Dr.D.: 2nd only to the bad design of the entire power supply in the printer. rich-c: yes, Howard Pines always used to rip them out and replace them regardless of whatever (other) fault he was fixing Daniel Bienvenu: I received an answer from "Vanja J. Utne" (alias Mermaid) about how to do a great fullscreen picture. Someone here see the gfx Mermaid done? Dr.D.: The little regulator ICs are rated only for 1.5 amps... they try to pull 3 amps or more through them. Meeka: well, guys I am gonna get going. see ya all next week rich-c: speaking of which, I have a couple of redundant dead printers (with live power supplies) recently acquired Dr.D.: Bye Meeka. Daniel Bienvenu: bye meeka! Bob S: bye Meeka FredK: Bye Meeka i-mac West: nite Meeka Meeka: bye bye George Wahl: nite Meeka rich-c: take care, Meeka, and rmember teh family needs your support - we will count on you
Meeka left chat session Daniel Bienvenu: http://mermaid.c64scene.org/ - look for the MSX1 graphics. rich-c: haven't examined the printers with any thoroughness to see if they are fixable Daniel Bienvenu: http://mermaid.c64scene.org/gallery/msx/ rich-c: that sounds like a basically Commodore website, Daniel FredK: Dr.D any preventive suggestion to keep Disk drive life span.... Dr.D.: Hmmm... Dr.D.: Cold basements, high air conditioning, fan-forced ventillation... rich-c: just keep it out where it gets plent of airflow, Daniel, and don't leave it on too long FredK: cold basement you got it... Daniel Bienvenu: Mermaid create great fullscreen picture for many computer like MSX1, C64, VIC20, ATARI ST, Amiga, ... Dr.D.: You could also use an external commodity PC power supply to power the floppy mechanics themselves (through the Molex connector). Dr.D.: That's the high-current item. rich-c: SX1 are Motorola-based computers Dr.D.: That would just leave the controller board logic to be powered by the junky regulator circuit. FredK: good one....just how to do that....is another task!!! Dr.D.: Ms. Rin is too quiet tonight, all our tech-talk must be inhibiting her :-) rich-c: I think she's waiting for Pamela to show up Daniel Bienvenu: MSX1 and ColecoVision use the same graphic modes.
i-mac West changed username to Ron Ms. Rin: i had left....but I have been back for about 5 minutes Dr.D.: How to do is easy...open disk drive box, pull existing Molex connector to drive mechanics, plug in your handy-dandy surplus IBM power supply. Ms. Rin: :S
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changed username to Pamela FredK: thats it! Ms. Rin: PAMMIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rich-c: well, here's Pam now - hi daughter Daniel Bienvenu: hello pam! Bob S: PAM Pamela: (I told you never to call me that) George Wahl: Hi Pam Pamela: Hi everyone Ms. Rin: hehehehehehehhe FredK: Hi Pam Dr.D.: We get complaints from newbies that there isn't enough tech-talk, that it's too much for "old friends"...but the tech I think is more intimidating to a newbie. Ms. Rin: i'm pretty close to computer illiteraye rich-c: yes, Daniel is lapping it up, but Fred is struggling, and George is completely lost FredK: More experienced thats all Dr.D. Dr.D.: Well, would you prefer "Miss Non-Stick Cooking Coating"? :-) Ms. Rin: LOLOLOLOL Judy: hi Pam Pamela: I suppose it's better than Pumpkin or Pampers, two I got a lot as a kid FredK: Keeping track RichC Pamela: Hi, Judy Daniel Bienvenu: I just wanted to show you mermaid art graphics. It's this kind of title screen I want to do for my next ColecoVision game project. Dr.D.: Hmm, I never would have thought of those 2 nicknames. Ms. Rin: oh oh rich-c: Pamela, go to the Hallway please Pamela: well, don't spread them around please Ron: it's intimidating to me Pamela: okay, Dad
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Pamela moved to room The Hallway Dr.D.: Haha...bad nickname for Pamela that comes to mind would be Spamela :-) rich-c: hi, you make it? Pamela: Dad? Ron: like Ronnie Pamela: what's up Ron: Mother is the only one who gets away with it Daniel Bienvenu: I like this one : http://mermaid.c64scene.org/gallery/msx/M_HUNTER.GIF rich-c: OK, just wanted to warn you why Bob and Judy weren't on last week rich-c: they were at the hospital with Ryan Pamela: what happened Ms. Rin: see Pammie was when I was little.......the others I don't know about Ms. Rin: hehehehe rich-c: closed head injury Ms. Rin: she hated it Dr.D.: Well, my family called me Ricky when I was little, Rick now. In grade/high school, for some reason I was Richard to everyone. Pamela: ?? Pamela: what does that mean Dr.D.: In college and beyond, I am Rich. rich-c: his father is in jail, Mandy can't be with him alone, Ryan and Mandya now at Slopsema's hoem Ms. Rin: I'm Ginger FredK: RIcky fr me too when was little Daniel Bienvenu: I like this one too : http://mermaid.c64scene.org/gallery/msx/M_TURBAN.GIF Dr.D.: So if someone from family calls me Richard, it's like they're talking about me in the 3rd person. Ms. Rin: hehehe FredK: And yr a Dr.? Dr.D.: My folks would do that when I was in high school, if they were around the parents of my friends. Pamela: OMG, what the heck happened? Ms. Rin: sooooo formal Dr.D.: Because they wouldn't have known who Rick was. Ron: Daniel, there is a broken link on your page rich-c: those are teh details we were given, no one felt it smart to push for more Ms. Rin: :-) Ron: The Menu item "Technicals" results in "Yahoo's "Whoops! We can't find your page! " message Dr.D.: I tell my robot class students to call me Rich or Dr.D., but not Professor (it's not my job title) or Dick... rich-c: apparently Ryan was severely hurt, they hope he will recover Pamela: what do they mean, Mandy can't be with him alone - with Ryan, or Ryan's Dad? George Wahl: Hershey not sold Daniel Bienvenu: I know, there are some broken links in my Coleco web site. I forget to fix them. Ms. Rin: "hey you" would work too Ms. Rin: hehehe rich-c: with Mandy, though that may reflect a failure to protect him Daniel Bienvenu: it' "forgot" not "forget" right? Ron: Ok... as long as you're aware FredK: lol rich-c: sorry, with Ryan Dr.D.: You can call me Ray...or you can call me Jay... Ms. Rin: LOLOLOLOLOL Pamela: oh lord - what a mess. Ron: Same with the programming tutorial FredK: hey dont roll in the hay!
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changed username to Guy B. rich-c: shall we rejoin the others now? Pamela: did they say what kind of injuries Ryan has specifically? Guy B.: Hi Everyone. Got some news to share with you. FredK: HI Guy Ron: we're all ears Ms. Rin: hi Guy Bob S: and....and........ rich-c: just closed head injury - like internal bruising I would guess George Wahl: Hi Guy Daniel Bienvenu: Ron : if you can write my an e-mail with the broken links you found in my web page. This way I will not forgot to fix the problems. rich-c: either very brutal shaking or a blow causes such things Pamela: Isn't Mandy the one who just got married, or is that Sherrie Ron: ok sir. will do Judy: hi, Guy rich-c: I believe Mandy is the one Daniel Bienvenu: hello Guy! Guy B.: I was in the hospital yesterday with some chest pains. The good news is it wasn't my heart. Pamela: oh lord - this is scaring me Dr.D.: Ouch, sorry to hear! FredK: TGD Ron: yes... that IS good news Ms. Rin: oh my!! rich-c: it is a sorry business, though dreadfully common Dr.D.: About hospital, that is!!! Judy: not, cool, Guy George Wahl: Oh, GOD rich-c: but obviously you had to know Pamela: I know, and it is ten times worse when it happens to someone you know Ron: not the problem part, the "good news" part FredK: you called? Ms. Rin: hehehe Pamela: should I say anything or let it lie? rich-c: amen. Shall we go back now? Guy B.: I had a stress test today and that went very well. So, I cannot return to work until sometime next week until I see my doctor. rich-c: let it lie Ron: what was the diagnosis Guy? Pamela: okay. Thanks for telling me Daddy. Makes me grateful for the parents and hubby I have Ron: undetermined Bob S: "needed a vacation............" Guy B.: Seems it might have been my esophegus. rich-c: OK see you back in teh main room Pamela: I'm on my way
rich-c moved to room Meeting Place FredK: that makes sence..
Pamela moved to room Meeting Place FredK: ummm Dr.D.: Reflux, Guy? Pamela: Hi, we're back, sorry about that Pamela: HI, Guy Pamela: Hi, Ron FredK: not back but chest... Guy B.: Had a cardilogist look at me too and he came to the same conclusion. It wasn't my heart. rich-c: hello Guy, didn't see you come in Ms. Rin: well that's good Pamela: were you two here when we left? Bob S: let me get this staight...............you have NO heart ?????????? rich-c: gather you have had a bout of illness - what's wr9ng?
(Bob S winks) Guy B.: Hi Pam, i was in the hospital Monday night and Tuesday morning. Dr.D.: I'm sure the Wizard would give you one, if you asked? Ms. Rin: hehe FredK: Oz thats funny.. George Wahl: i 'm having endoscopy Oct. 4 Pamela: HOSPITAL??? Pamela: what is going on? Ron: I don't have a brain Guy B.: No Bob, I had some chest pains, but it wasn't anything wrong with my heart. Bob S: or as Joshua grandson says "hosipal" Ron: get serious Mitchell FredK: just know the tree.. Dr.D.: So are you seeing a gastroenterologist? Pamela: trees don't talk Fred Dr.D.: Tell that to the Ents... Ms. Rin: yes they do Pam....."Lord of the Rings" says so rich-c: well the Ents do, but that's another story Guy B.: No, probably won't know what's next until I see my doctor next Tuesday. Ms. Rin: :-) FredK: I will leaf you on that Pam Dr.D.: Hmmmmm hoommm, bit hasty this evening. Ms. Rin: LOL George Wahl: i got ants Dr.D.: Wish you the best with it, Guy. Pamela: you're branching out, Fred Ron: Who is Ms. Rin? Pamela: Erin, my cousin Ron: I think I knew that, but thank you Judy: are you feeling ok now, Guy? FredK: Guy take care of yourself its important....take care all and good night, auf wiedersehen, Salut! Guy B.: I was relieved that it wasn't my heart that caused the problem. It sure felt like it though. Pamela: g'nite, Freddy Ms. Rin: bon soir Freddy rich-c: bon soir, Fred, take care Dr.D.: Good night, Fred. Judy: nite, Freddy Ron: get's a bet scary Guy George Wahl: nite Freddy Ron: g'nite Fred Bob S: auf wiedersehen !!!!!! Guy B.: I have now lost 26 pounds and that is eveny better news. Yes, I was very scared. Bob S: gute nacht
FredK left chat session Guy B.: Nite Freddy. Judy: sure does, we spent 3 days in the hospital last week with Ryan Guy B.: What happen to him? rich-c: wonder if your stomach is reacting to the change of diet? that can produce odd effects Guy B.: Might have been the move. Judy: has a closed head injury Judy: from the stepday Guy B.: Oh boy, how's he doing? Bob S: stepdad Pamela: that poor little guy hasn't had much luck lately Dr.D.: Me is also down 28 pounds from 23 May...maybe we should have a race, Guy :-) rich-c: hey, good on both of you! Pamela: How are the two of you keeping? Bob S: luck as in an abusinve stepdad Pam Bob S: admitted all the broken stuff Ron: secret please? Judy: better now, but wil take him some time to be all better Guy B.: I could hit 30 this weekend. My shorts almost slid off me today. So, I have to get a smaller belt. Dr.D.: Just to confirm, Bob, this was the groom at the recent wedding? Bob S: would someone please come close so's I can wring their neck....... Guy B.: Take Dr D Bob. Judy: luck has nothing to do with it, one person does Pamela: Oh, Bob, I'm so sorry Bob S: YES Pamela: It hurts me to hear it Dr.D.: urgh Bob S: seems he is a bit of a loser........gettign facts now, but not good Pamela: breathe, Dr. D, you're turning blue Judy: it has been awful, but we will make it Dr.D.: Sorry to bring up that which is so painful to you all, I've been trying to read between all the lines... Pamela: my heart goes out to all of you, Judy Bob S: drugs, assault and a prior wife and 2 liv ins with problems from him Guy B.: I've been hacked all over both my arms and hands with needles these past two days. Wasn't quite in the mood for that.
Daniel Bienvenu changed username to Daniel B <BRB> rich-c: count your blessings, Guy - you're still in good repairable condition Dr.D.: I spent all weekend helping to build a playground for our elementary school...left me with Popeye forearms, mixing all the concrete with a hoe in a wheelbarrow... Judy: so was he, tried 7 times to get in the IV Ms. Rin: ow Bob S: apparently he is one of those guys who can't stop abusing someone and who is too stupid for his own good as far as relationships Dr.D.: IVs are hard to get started in little kids, Joan says. Pamela: major ow Judy: ended in the foot, so he couldn't walk Guy B.: Thank goodness for that. Took me three just for both and IV and to draw blood. Dr.D.: Scalp is probably next choice, unless they used them all up. Pamela: How is Mandy holding up? Bob S: I HATE NEEDLES Bob S: mandy isa in denial Guy B.: I was a little more difficult. I'm with you Bob. Pamela: well, that's to be expected Bob S: she thinks allitle counseling and it wil all be better Bob S: but even her criminal lawyer sasys, HE HAS TO GO Guy B.: She thinks it was her fault. Tell her it isn't. Accidents happen. Judy: I would like to shake her, but than we could lose Ryan Dr.D.: hmm, 2-by-4 counselling seems to be in order...just anger talking, sorry. Guy B.: But, be thankful Ryan is going to be Ok. Bob S: no accident Guy, flat out brutal violent vhild beating Bob S: child Guy B.: Oh my gosh. Pamela: I agree, Rich, and I don't usually condone violence Judy: we have felt that way too. Bob S: then I will be in the slammer too Guy B.: Me neither. I thought it was an accident. How did it happen? Judy: he should get jail time, maybe 8 years, not enough as far as I am concerned Bob S: i am personally hoping he gets into a pedestrian/ auto accident and he is the pedestrian Pamela: don't do that, Bob, Mandy and Ryan need you Dr.D.: Well...if you and Judy are willing to assume the responsibility...I suppose that legal mechanicsms exist to get you named as Ryan's legal guardians... Guy B.: Mandy's husband? Bob S: that's the one Guy rich-c: I hope if bail is a prospect you will get a restraining order keeping him away from you Pamela: and them Bob S: he has one Judy: we are going to a lawer tomorrow to see if we can be George Wahl: time for another heart pill Ron: trouble is, restraining orders don't always work Guy B.: Oh God! He should get counseling or at least don't let him near Ryan. Bob S: (RYAN'S LEGAL GUARDIANS) rich-c: not that such orders work except the cops are more willing to hauul him away when he does show up Judy: he can't be anywhere near Ryan Guy B.: Good. Good. What's Mandy going to do? Dr.D.: The (maybe) analogous cases from what Joan has told me about, the county social workers declare the parents "incompetent" and award custody to the grandparents (of the child). Bob S: dIvorce is the only option so she does NOT lose Ryan rich-c: if there is a risk of bail, add keeping away as a bail condition Dr.D.: But I may be misremembering and am no kind of lawyer. Judy: he is already out on bail Bob S: he is bailed....Mandy supplied the cash Bob S: she is almost oblivious Ron: denial with a capital D Guy B.: Then she should persue that option. What's next now? Bob S: and he did beat on her already also Dr.D.: Sigh. Pamela: < : 0 Ms. Rin: :-( Judy: how can she be so dumb Pamela: 'scuse me, I had to get my eyebrows out of my hairline Guy B.: She should get out and stay with you. Has she filed a protection order? Bob S: stupidity is one of her strongest suits.......and she is my flesha nd blood......... rich-c: I think I need a piece of wall, suitable for head-beating purposes Judy: we doesn't get it, wants the family so bad she is out in some other world Dr.D.: Best advice I can think of is, (1) talk to lawyers about getting custody of Ryan yourselves, and (2) Mandy is an adult and will have to decide for herself how to live, and live with the consequences of those choices.. Guy B.: I agree with Dr D on this. Mandy's husband is a danger to both her and Ryan. Bob S: EXACTLY Ron: sometimes human nature is a mystery to me Bob S: but her lawyer didn't seem to like that part Judy: so far she can't take him anywhere by herself Bob S: until Nov 21 Ryan goes nowhere except where we decide Dr.D.: Some people need to learn from the School of Hard Knocks. Some people never learn from it despite spending all their time there...my late sister Karen is the poster-child example of that from my family :-( Pamela: I wish I knew what's going on in her head - she has wonderful parents and a good upbringing, good siblings so why does she have such a poor self image? Ron: whole thing must be tough on you guys (Bob, Judy) Guy B.: Judy, Ryan's still in the hospital? rich-c: All I can suggest, Bob and Judy, is that you find a lawyer who can seriously push the law to make your control over Ryan absolute Judy: it is a mystery to me also, how he could do that to little Ryan Bob S: happened Mon night last week came home on Friday night Guy B.: This guy must have a very violent temper. Judy: a week from hell!!!!!! Bob S: appaerntly Guy Dr.D.: Maybe I'm a bad parent to think this way...but I have decided that if my kids do well, I can't take to much credit for it myself. Yeah, I'd like to think I can make things possible for them, but in the end, they have to do the things themselves. Similarly, if they go bad, I can't be too upset, because I know I didn't beat 'em or cuss 'em out or starve 'em or ignore 'em; they made their own choices. Bob S: when it comes to the fair sex and kidsd Bob S: EXACTLY Dr D Dr.D.: Credit is easy to take, blame hard...so I won't take too much of either. Daniel B <BRB>: I'm lost in the internet web. I'm looking for more graphic arts for the video chip like the one in the Coleco. Judy: but you want to fix them when they are making so many mistakes Ron: Up here, it's referred to as "shaken baby syndrome". Happens a lot. Guy B.: Where's Mandy staying at now? rich-c: Yes, PJ has teh same sort of problems in her family; so do some friends of ours Pamela: I don't know about that Rich - I know some good kids and some rotten kids, and the blame and credit can usually be laid right at their parents doorstep Bob S: too bad ya'll didn't meet ryan this summer, but he was busy trying to defend himself at that time I think Ron: God! Judy: no, he was slammed maybe up against a wall Bob S: or floor somthing with mega force......doctor likened it to falling about 40 feet............. Guy B.: I keep hearing about child abuse here in Chicago. But, I never thought this would happen to some of the best friends I know. Ron: some parents (younger) are not emotionally equipped to deal with a baby's behaviour (crying) and have no way of dealing with it Ron: except violence Pamela: Mandy was doing okay with Ryan before this a**hole came along though, wasn't she? Judy: but he is so good, shouldn't have happened to Ryan Judy: yes, she was, she was a good mom Dr.D.: My parents I can't consider to be "bad", yet I am the only one of us three siblings who can be said to have "made good". One sister partied her way out of the Marines and into a series of dead-end jobs and ended up dying in a stupid smoking-in-bed fire. The other sister is living with some creep without benefit of clergy and has a kid who is no picnic to be around...my parents weren't "white trash", but my sisters certainly were/are. rich-c: the only thing Ryan ever did wrong was make the wrong choice of parents Ron: right rich-c: fortunately he's done pretty well in picking grandparents rich-c: at leasst on his mothers side Guy B.: Judy, I think Mandy was trying to be a good mother to Ryan. It just looks like she met the wrong man to marry. Bob S: HEY Ron: sounds like an understatement Judy: hope so, we are trying to make up for the ----- Bob S: and the wrong men for 5 years running Guy B.: But, I not guessing this. I never met him. I wish I got to meet Ryan. Judy: it is just so sad Bob S: I have to say....Ryan is a little saint......we saif that often because IF he was not so good, Mandy woulc have abused him physically Guy B.: I hope Ryan pulls through and grows up to be a healthy little boy. Ron: certainly is sad Bob S: het temper and attitude is not good, even on meds Judy: he is such a sweet little guy, everyone that meets him is taken with him Bob S: (takes after gramdpaw) Pamela: <sniff> rich-c: you will be challenged to keep him so now. I think you are up to the challenge Guy B.: Bob, hang in there. Bob S: he will be ok pam Pamela: I know, but my heart hurts for all of you Judy: now he has some anger, bit me 4 times leaving the hospital, didn' t want to leave Guy B.: He's telling you. Dr.D.: Bob, maybe you and Judy should talk to Herman... rich-c: you have a lot of work cut out for you, repairing that damage Bob S: I know Rich I talked to him again this year at AC about his situation. Bob S: and it is not at all good either Dr.D.: Sigh. Pamela: and it's hard for the two of you too, at an age where you thought you'd raised your kids, now you're contemplating starting all over again Judy: but we didn't think we had a problem, little did we know Bob S: thinking of moving to the Cayman Islands, my buddy says they have no extradition Dr.D.: chuckle rich-c: that would not help if you got followed Dr.D.: Prob. no taxes, either. Bob S: no this fool is not going to follow anyone Guy B.: Judy, what's the next step after what happened here? Dr.D.: But ADAMcon XX would be a bit expensive for the rest of us, travel-wise. rich-c: or were you planning to have cousin Vinnie take care of that before your left? Pamela: AC17 in the Caymans (gives you a couple years to get settled) - I'm in! Ron: You two do not deserve this. Nobody deserves this, but least of all Bob and Judy Judy: yes, I am a bit tired, good thing he takes so many naps, than I can rest Pamela: anybody know any good hitmen? Guy B.: Good idea. That's what I've been doing after what happened to me. Judy: I wish Ron: there's an idea Bob S: but if we got caought dong that, we'd lose ryan too Pamela: just a thought : ) Ron: damn! Thought we were on the trail of an answer rich-c: yeah, there's likely so many candidates they'd never know who to suspect Ron: Anyway guys, I'm due to go out at 8 pm... so I'l leave you now Bob S: there are no real answers...........only ideas Judy: had a few people give a few ideas on what to do to him, hope I don't have to see him again Guy B.: Bye Ron. Ron: nite all rich-c: OK Ron, Sat if you feel like it - take care Pamela: Nite, Ron - be well Bob S: bye Ron Ron: yup Dr.D.: Bye Ron.
Ron left chat session Bob S: we got to head out and get some more sleep here too gang Pamela: Because you might be tempted to use the ideas Judy? Bob S: so........... Judy: bye Ron rich-c: yes, I would reckon you can stand all teh suteye you can get Dr.D.: Sleep is the only thing I can think of that will do anyone any good at this point. Bob S: bon voyage.................... Dr.D.: I wish I had something else to offer. Pamela: Good night - hugs and kisses to you both Guy B.: Ok, Bob. Keep us posted with Ryan. Get a good night's rest. rich-c: goodnight both Bob S: thanks guys and dolls George Wahl: nite Bob Guy B.: Bye Judy. Dr.D.: Feeling too helpless. Daniel B <BRB>: bye bob judy Judy: bye all Bob S: poof............../
Bob S left chat session George Wahl: nite Judy Dr.D.: Sigh. Judy: me too!!!! Dr.D.: SOb.
Judy left chat session Pamela: you haven't said anything I disagree with yet, Rich Guy B.: Just makes me sick to my stomach what happened to Ryan. Dr.D.: Evil. Pamela: It's so hard to see your friends go through something like this and not be able to lend a hand rich-c: be assured, Pam, a sympathetic ear is very helpful Guy B.: And all of us not being there to be with them. Pamela: I know, but we're so far away Guy B.: But, we are here now and we are there for thme. Guy B.: Them. Dr.D.: There are a couple times in my life when I've felt horribly angry about some monstrous evil that I've seen. rich-c: right, Guy - they know they have full support Dr.D.: Fortunately, not many times. Dr.D.: But this is one of them. Pamela: yup Dr.D.: Shaking mad, I can't type. rich-c: yes, that's why I'm pretty silent. My thoughts aren't fit for communication Pamela: I just hurt Dr.D.: I can't reach the Vulcan part of me. Guy B.: Dr. D. Stay calm. We just want Ryan to get better. rich-c: no, Guy, RAGE. Always rage against injustice. Dr.D.: Rage is ultimately corrosive. Guy B.: That's what he needs right now. Our thoughts and prayers to Bob and Judy. rich-c: you are right, Dr. D., you can only hope sometimes it is the evil that will be corroded Pamela: I hope that they nail this guy to the wall. Prison time would do him a world of good (about 20 years or so oughta do it) Dr.D.: Short-term rage results in kids being thrown against walls. Dr.D.: Long-term rage makes people into paranoid beasts. Guy B.: I know violence is wrong. But, taking it out on a innocent little baby. Just doesn't make sense. Pamela: there is no making sense of this Guy Pamela: Hey, Dad? Dr.D.: Something intermediate, to use the emotions to motivate something positive...that's the balance to find. I'm not there yet. rich-c: that is what causes th rage, Guy. We can look after ourselves. But who defends the helpless? rich-c: me voici, Pam Daniel B <BRB>: I'm sleepy |-) zzz good night! Je m'endors |-) zzz bonne nuit! Guy B.: I know. Everytime I hear about child abuse here in Chicago. The first thing in my mind is, why did the parents have kids? Pamela: Just wanted to say thank you for being there for me Pamela: don't think I say that enough Dr.D.: Good night, Daniel. I will mail you those listings. rich-c: bonne nuit, Daniel - peut-etre le samedi? Guy B.: Bye Daniel. Daniel B <BRB>: thanks Dr. D. George Wahl: i'm out of it Daniel B <BRB>: peut-être samedi... si je n'oublie pas. Dr.D.: Kids are too easy to have, too hard to take care of once you have them... Pamela: bonne nuit, Daniel Daniel B <BRB>: bonne nuit Pamela! Dr.D.: It takes no brains to reproduce. Guy B.: Bye George. rich-c: a la prochaine, Daniel George Wahl: nite Daniel Daniel B <BRB>: nite George! Daniel B <BRB>: * poof *
Daniel B <BRB> left chat session Guy B.: Well folks, I'm going to check my e-mail and turn in. Haven't had much sleep the past two days due to what happen. rich-c: sorry, we just had a case like this in Toronto - but the child did not survive Dr.D.: Of course, Guy...please take care of yourself. Dr.D.: Keep us posted. Guy B.: I will. Thanks. rich-c: Guy, take it easy, if you're up to it maybe we can meet Saturday Pamela: Good nite Guy, take care of yourself Guy B.: Ok, Rich. See you all later. George Wahl: nite Guy
Guy B. left chat session George Wahl: nite all Pamela: nite George rich-c: you're on your way too, George? George Wahl: yes rich-c: OK, nite then, take care Dr.D.: Bye George. George Wahl: nite
George Wahl left chat session Pamela: Erin, are you still there? Dr.D.: I can't figure him out... Pamela: who, George? Dr.D.: Yes. He's like a bad ELIZA program. rich-c: who, George? He's just tremendously lone,y and very depressed Dr.D.: He must be...he sure sounds clinical. Pamela: what's an ELIZA program rich-c: he is bidding deperately for attention - unfortunately he does not know how to contribute Dr.D.: A primitive artificial intelligence program pretending to be a girl named ELIZA (which was an acronym for the program, can't remember it). Dr.D.: From the MIT AI Lab, late 1960s. Pamela: ah, gotcha Dr.D.: He must have an ADAM? I'd try to reach him if I knew what he actually did with his ADAM. Pamela: I feel for him and his problems, but sometimes (like tonite) I just want to shake him rich-c: worked by responding with leading questions derived from keyword cues in the users responses Dr.D.: And usually repeating fair amounts of what the other person typed. Pamela: he seems like a nice guy, but he's so wrapped up in what's happening to him, the outside world doesn't always connect rich-c: oddly enough, on Saturdays when we've been one on one, I've managed to get some response out of him Dr.D.: Last week, bleeding! If you're injured and really bleeding, call 911 or local equivalent, don't waste time typing here! rich-c: I guess he's just high maintenance conversationally Pamela: but you notice, every week it's something different rich-c: don't take his pronouncements of disaster too seriously rich-c: he'd declare a paper cut fatal on the spot Pamela: as long as someone is paying attention to him, he's happy Dr.D.: Again, reading between the lines, one would guess that he might have some terminal disease. Pamela: He has Crohn's disease rich-c: not terminal, but higly disabling and definitely debilitating Dr.D.: That is nasty and unpleasant, indeed. Pamela: and painful Pamela: nice alliteration there, Dad Dr.D.: Based on his typing, I'd say he was age 85 and demented. rich-c: and he's growing complications, I think, likely diabetes and maybe heart problems Dr.D.: But he could be 35 and wacko. Dr.D.: Or some uwaterloo student's senior project in AI. Pamela: did any one notice his announcement about a bomb going off last week? rich-c: basically Rich just a loser with a streak of brutally bad luck Dr.D.: Though I am quite wacko myself. rich-c: the part of Philly he lives in he's likely very familiar with such sounds - also gunshots Pamela: I disagree Rich - you're just nicely crazy Pamela: and all your marbles are rattling around in your head quite nicely rich-c: whreas I am merely rather noticably eccentric Pamela: I don't know about that Dad - I haven't noticed : ) Dr.D.: Not sure where I am on the absolute continuum of normality. rich-c: well, you're far too bright to be anything approaching normal rich-c: and would likely commit suicide if you thought you wre normal Pamela: you know, I regret all those years I wasted in getting to know this group Dr.D.: Christina is "normal". rich-c: so settle for being happily and extremely usefully strange rich-c: well, we tried to tell you, daughter... Pamela: Don't you know that you can't tell me anything Dad? Pamela: I have to learn for myself rich-c: I know, but we keep trying :=) Pamela: : ) Dr.D.: Forgive me if I told this before, but a couple months ago I observed (ruefully) that our family is The Munsters and Christina is Marilyn... Pamela: and what did Christina think of that? rich-c: sorry, that allusion is after my time Dr.D.: She doesn't know the reference. Pamela: I didn't watch it, but i get it nonetheless Dr.D.: The Munsters was a 1965 sitcom about a family of monsters...with one "normal" daughter, Marilyn. rich-c: I rmember the Chas. Addams cartoons in the New Yorker, from which the Addam Family derived, of which The Munsters was a downmarket ripoff Dr.D.: But within the family, she was always the poor odd one, and that's how she viewed herself, too. Dr.D.: Blonde bombshell always bringing nice boys home to meet Uncle Herman (a Frankenstein monster) and Aunt Lily (Vampira's sister)...and the boys always ran away. rich-c: yes, normality is a comparative term Pamela: aren't Diana and Gretchen a little too young to tell about yet? Pamela: does anyone really know what normal is? Dr.D.: Gretchen is definitely a Machiavellian ruler...very goodbad or badgood...think Brain of "Pinky and the Brain". rich-c: well, reassure Christina that she is far too bright and bubbly to be mistaken for normal Pamela: unlawful good? Pamela: lawful evil? Dr.D.: Diana can display an incredible cluelessness at times...she is too cutesie sometimes. Dr.D.: Gretchen is definitely chaotic alignment, not sure if good, evil, or neutral yet. rich-c: that's OK, she's trying a classic schtick for size, she's just precocious about it Pamela: I'll have to have Russell draft her for a game of D&D in a few years Dr.D.: At supper tonight, actually, we asked Diana if she was really a blonde...she of course didn't get it, but Elanor was ROTFL. rich-c: reminds me, Pam, how does Russell like that program I told you to get? Pamela: I'll bet she was, Rich Pamela: I haven't gotten it yet Dad, haven't had time Pamela: hopefully this weekend Dr.D.: Elanor has been quoting Hitchhiker's Guide stuff to her teachers. rich-c: then tell him to get it himself Dr.D.: And Dragonball Z stuff. Pamela: okay, I don't have a reference for the latter Rich Pamela: whazzat? Dr.D.: Some popular anime on Cartoon Network. Pamela: oh. I bet that's going over really well with the teachers Dr.D.: It's all the rage with boys her age, but virtually no girls...except our younger 3. rich-c: it should go over just fine with the intelligent ones, at least of the proper generation Pamela: I love the way El's mind works Dr.D.: I told her to watch who she tells this stuff to...if she tells it to a Latent SubGenius, she's okay, but a Bland Normal will make trouble for her. rich-c: Rich, I'm trying to sell Pam the Celestia program rich-c: no astonomer should be without it - right? Dr.D.: Tonight was curriculum night for Elanor...about half the teachers are okay, the other half are Bland Normals. Pamela: 50/50 is better than average Pamela: at least in my experience Dr.D.: Celestia is nice...real dark sky on a clear night is better :-) Dr.D.: Lake Woebegone, where everyone is above average.... rich-c: yes, but in our climatic region those tend to be a bit hard to come by Dr.D.: Light pollution is too bad here. Dr.D.: Rats, I am still angry. Dr.D.: And I am tempted to eat. Dr.D.: Which is bad, because it won't work. rich-c: of course, Rich. why should you be different from the rest of us? Dr.D.: I'm not, me human too :-) rich-c: did we ever pretend to be human? would we admit it if we wre? Pamela: nope - that would be admitting to flaws Dr.D.: I meant "not different from the rest". Flaws I have aplenty. rich-c: it's OK Rich, when you get to my age you not only have 'em, you cultivate them Pamela: Rich, you realize you're coming across as the perfect male right about now? Dr.D.: No...but if that's what's coming across, SHOOT ME NOW!!!! Dr.D.: gack rich-c: not quite, Pam, from your viewpoint - he's already taken Pamela: true . . . Pamela: : ) Dr.D.: I think Joan would give a different view. Dr.D.: Of "perfect", that is. rich-c: Rin, you're awfully quiet Pamela: I think she defected on us, Dad rich-c: could be, though some folks do lurk for surprising times Pamela: I'm teasing Rich - but there are a lot of women out there who would like to know if you rub off Pamela: Erin isn't usually one of them though - she always has plenty to say rich-c: by the way, does she know this chat is usable 24/7? Dr.D.: I'm just rambling out loud, I guess... Pamela: yes Dr.D.: Speaking of 24/7, coleco.cwru.edu is back up, BTW. Pamela: you're not saying anything we disagree with Rich rich-c: did I mention I found a program that lets you use five messaging services from one interface? Dr.D.: Forgot to announce it, I think. Pamela: does it specify which ones Dad? rich-c: anyway glad to hear it is up - it may not be used often but it's priceless when it is Dr.D.: It was down for network upgrade in the building it's in. rich-c: AOL - MSN - ICQ - IRC- Y!ahoo Pamela: hang on - I'm gonna go check for her at MSN rich-c: if you want to look at it, Pam, it's called "Trillian" and is at www.ceruleanstudios.org rich-c: I guess Pam did find her, Rich Dr.D.: haha Dr.D.: I think I need to go find sleep...robot class at 8:30 tomorrow, and have to take everyone to school beforehand. rich-c: that doesn't leave you much snooze time - I'll pass on your salutations, then Dr.D.: Pam, are you back? rich-c: do check in Saturday if inclined Dr.D.: Saturday...not sure what's happening here then.
Ms. Rin left chat session Dr.D.: Boom, there went Erin. rich-c: well, I'll be watching the football game - while using the laptop for chat Dr.D.: I'm off...good night Pam, wherever you are! Dr.D.: bye
Dr.D. left chat session rich-c: I'll pass that on, Rich - nite now Pamela: I'm back now Pamela: Erin went off to chat on MSN rich-c: right - well, Rich has retired for teh night Pamela: did you sign her out or did she do that? Pamela: good idea rich-c: she just dropped off - guess she signed out Pamela: Sleep is good, I hear. i'm trying to practice rich-c: were you on when I said I ordered the parts for the van today? Pamela: no - for the conversion? rich-c: yep - the order has been placed rich-c: now I just have to choose the engine Pamela: hmm Pamela: I have mixed feelings about this - on the one hand, it's good that you'll be able to tow properly rich-c: John recommends a remanufactured "crate" engine from GM's premium line - 330 hp, 380 lb/ft torque Pamela: on the other hand, it will make it more difficult for me to drive Pamela: I dunno Dad - a reman? rich-c: yes, I suspect unladen, it might give a 5-series BMW a run for its money 0-60 Pamela: and me a leadfoot . . . sigh rich-c: well John got converted - he thought I was nuts Pamela: I guess John knows what he's talking about rich-c: but last weekend he used Connie's Safari to pull a two-motorcycle trailer to Shannonville Pamela: and that convinced him? rich-c: now he's suggesting he just might be ordering two conversion kits Pamela: so how does Connie feel about this? rich-c: yes, and he didn't even have to cope with a serious hill Pamela: since it's her van rich-c: privately, I suspect there's more lead in her foot than she lets on Pamela: well there certainly will be after the conversion! : ) Pamela: here's one for you - Art (Kimberly's fiance) has volunteered to teach me to drive standard rich-c: if I can gt hauling performance to match Behemoth, I'll be deleriously happy rich-c: everyone should know how to, Pam rich-c: just do the learning where there's no traffic and lots of open space Pamela: that's why I want to learn. I have no plans for a manual transmission anytime soon, but I want to be able to if I'm ever in the position of having to rich-c: in the early stages it's far too easy to get preoccupier with shifting and drive into things rich-c: who knows? some day you may have to drive a truck Pamela: ouch! I will take that advice Pamela: not likely Pamela: I understand the theory involved - it's putting the theory into practice rich-c: eventually stick shifting becomes second nature - but the learning curve has its risks Pamela: the only reason I suggested it now is because he just bought a new car, and is selling the old one. rich-c: now Dave3 complains if the Jaguar he's testing has an automatic - he even prefers right hand drive Pamela: I wouldn't want to put dents in the new one or destroy the tranny rich-c: did I tell you he has a new car - an SVT Focus? Pamela: he bought a Ford??? Pamela: he rocks rich-c: of course - he's a Ford Guy from all the way back Pamela: I knew I liked him : ) rich-c: not sure he'd have taken the Jaguar job if it wren't a part of Ford Pamela: I was thinking about right hand drive recently too rich-c: I've only driven that way once, a long time ago - it made passing difficult on two-lanes Pamela: pondering the whys and wherefores of how right and left hand drive came to be rich-c: Dave and I had quite a discussion on the subject a few months ago Pamela: Deep thoughts on the drive home from the subway rich-c: on that drive, I'm surprisedall thought porocesses dont just freeze up Pamela: influence came from just finishing a couple of novels in which the heroines were Americans driving in Ireland Pamela: actually, the drive is pretty good. Wilson is usually the worst of it, and I'm off it pretty quick rich-c: let's say in a right hand drive country it shouldn't be too bad Pamela: well if I ever get overseas, I'd like to try it Pamela: see if I can manage to reverse my thought processes rich-c: right. anyway its near midnight - time we shut down Pamela: I agree. Will try to call tomorrow evening or Friday, if I don't get stuck at work like this evening rich-c: OK, hear from you then. Nite now Pamela: Gnite Dad. Sweet dreams.
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