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changed username to George rich-c: good evening George George: Hi Rich rich-c: ah, we're still here - had a power bump just now George: where is everybody? rich-c: fortunately I have a UPS on line now rich-c: the others haven't turned up yet rich-c: you, Daniel and I are the consistent early birds George: do you have power now? rich-c: Dr. D. wont be here since he is taking his daughters to the movies rich-c: yes, it was just a bump, but enough to make the backup squeal
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changed username to BobS rich-c: gather you are having quite a problem with screwed-up schools in Philly BobS: WOW ???????? George: hi Bob rich-c: welcome, Roberto BobS: you guys there>????? BobS: I don't see nuthin rich-c: you should, we're here rich-c: and we can see you George: i went to school in Jersey BobS: ah dat's better BobS: jursey rich-c: yes, and that was a while ago, George George: thank you rich-c: but I see Philly decided Free Enterprise could do better George: where? rich-c: and now private enterprise is bankrupt, the kids are at loose ends, and its all a bleeding disaster rich-c: that bunch of your elementary schools that were leased to Edison Schools, George George: Philly schools are hell rich-c: they are now worse rich-c: it's like our electrical system here George: who needs school in philly? rich-c: our idiot government decided to dergulate electricity BobS: the little kids rich-c: now we're well down the road to the California scenario BobS: AH, like they did in California....and then free enterprise gouged the heck out ofd the public rich-c: bingo! George: PA has elecrtic deregulation rich-c: we had the best electrical utility on the continent - now it's in ruins rich-c: let's hear it for Private Enterprise - yeeeccchhh George: it's all a scam rich-c: you're lucky, actually, George - your politicians got so scared the sort of cleaned it up a bit BobS: it is not private enterprise that is the problem...it is when a ;monopoly gets to be UNregualted that we havea problem BobS: UNregulated rich-c: actually, Bob, there are fields of endeavour best left to the private sector George: in PA they are deregulating everything rich-c: it's just that schools, hospitals and basic utilities (energy, water) aren't among them rich-c: we have two provinces - Ontario is one - where dogmatic right-wingers have the majority George: GOD help us rich-c: well, we'd be a lot better off if enough of us could get together to help ourselves
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changed username to Judy George: Heaven is better rich-c: hi Judy Judy: Hi, Rich George: Hi Judy Judy: Hi, George rich-c: so who do you think is going to win next Tuesday? BobS: for what?????? George: GOD knows rich-c: house and senate - majority BobS: for MI govenor.....prolly Granholm Judy: good question BobS: national election. who knows George: GOD rich-c: she the female who's as decorative as she is mentally sharp (and that's very)? BobS: gonna be close with maybe a few mysteries rich-c: think Mondale is still strong enough to make up for the loss of Wellstone? George: ED RENDELL FOR PA rich-c: what's a Rendell? Senate? George: governor rich-c: governors don't matter as much on the national scene, though they like to use it as a steppingstone later BobS: think Mondale will probably fit well as a replacement for Wellston George: we have no senate races here BobS: and probably win BobS: our only national races are pretty much cut and dried to who is in office rich-c: I certainly hope so - I think you badly need a Democratic senate majority right now Judy: he sure got the press coverage George: in PA that is rich-c: when is Dubya going to go bomb North Korea - now that the Axis of Evil actually has a nuclear bomb? George: He won't George: only IRAQ rich-c: clearly Kim Jong-il is far more dangerous than that pussycat Saddam George: north korea presents too much of a challenge rich-c: oh, you mean big brave America only beats up on the little guys? rich-c: that sounds like the Bush standard, all right George: besides G. W. won't risk china getting involved rich-c: I got news - Beijing is in easy range of Korean rockets, no part of the U.S. is rich-c: China is doing some serious sweating BobS: now,. now Richard........Saddam controls a lot more resources and world power thatn N Korea George: we would get our clocks cleaned rich-c: if you're worried about body bags, there will be tens of thousands more coming back from Iraq George: the pussycat? BobS: naw. don't really think so BobS: ubut we might go broke with allthe cost of the bombs, etc dropped rich-c: actually, Bob, I'm more than a little amused at how Dubya is so rabid about Saddam maybe someday getting weapons George: china would defend n. korea rich-c: and insisting nothing will do to save the world but a preemptive attack rich-c: but when a really nut-cazxe dangerous joint starts threatening, suddenly he's all for peaceful negotiation George: yippie for war NOT rich-c: bet if there was a chance of grabbing control of some oil Dubya would find N. Korea was a big menace BobS: the economy AND the sheer numbers of people kind of make the china/n korea thing a talking thing first and foremost rich-c: and no, I do not think Saddam is a nice guy - or the Iranian ayatollahs, or Kim Jong-Il rich-c: in fact I would dearly love to see Saddam taken out - but not now and preferably not by war George: well it finally got cold here rich-c: what do you define as cold, George? Here at the moment it's about 30 George: it's about 38 F here rich-c: sorry, make that 28 or 27 rich-c: that was about our high today - quite nice too in the sun with no wind BobS: gonna snow here bout Fri with some measurement George: we were in the 50s and 60s BobS: probably like an inch or so but still measureable rich-c: that would be mild lake effect I'd guess, Bob rich-c: we are due for the odd flurry but we are upwind of the lake when the wind is from the northwest George: got some ergot? rich-c: that's why even though Buffalo is south of us it gets far more snow rich-c: nope, didn't grow any morning glories this year, George George: they plowed my flower bed under rich-c: well, you're not in great shape for gardening any more anyway, are you, Geortge? George: ruined all of my bulbs rich-c: that is upsetting - when you've grown them for a while you can get quite a display George: yes :-( rich-c: we are now getting a tremendous show from our crocus and daffodils now in the spring, and the grape hyacinth is coming along nicely too rich-c: the big buld show though is in the summer - Frances has about a dozen varieties of day lillies George: my mother gave me the hyacinth before she died rich-c: I can understand why you are upset rich-c: I am upset because I can't pull my weight around the garden any more George: nothing is sacred anymore rich-c: had to hire a gardener to cut the lawns this summer; I have always done that myself rich-c: and my hip is awkward about bending - have a very hard time getting my socks on in the morning George: i can't walk down the block without extreme pain anymore rich-c: I know exactly what you mean, though for me the source is different rich-c: disability permit eligibility here is decided by how long it takes you to walk a set distance unassisted BobS: and then th3ey time you???? BobS: that sucks!!!!! George: i only got temporary ADA rich-c: actually, they require your doctor to sign a cdertificate about it BobS: dont' doctors have nay say anymore?? rich-c: my doctor took one look at my x-rays and said "you qualify" BobS: that's good rich-c: I can bounce along for a short distance, especially with a cane, as you saw at Adamcon rich-c: it's just that when I take that one step too many, I pay for it for three days BobS: time will hea' BobS: heal rich-c: not in my case, it only gets worse rich-c: only "cure" for it is a hip replacement operation rich-c: and that won't be convenient for me for another 14 months or so George: i will only go downhill too rich-c: you are in for an increasingly rough time, George, but don't be surprised if you see a cure BobS: well, most people I know who have had replacement are overjoyed they did Judy: my mom had a knee replacement and it worked just great, she is so glad she had it done
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changed username to <undefined> rich-c: your illnesses are in areas where they are really making big progress fast - you have hope BobS: me dad had two new knees about 10 years ago and is still happy rich-c: interesting, my friends with new knees are so-so about them, it's the hip folks who are really happy George: they don't do back replacements
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left chat session BobS: happy BobS: GUY !!!!! come in!!!!!!! rich-c: and don't be surprised if some new techniques come along soon BobS: ohw well Judy: someone is trying to get in rich-c: guess it's Guy with the discount ISP of his Judy: he isn Judy: 't coming back BobS: heck, my ISP is chaeper than his is rich-c: maybe he just went away to change computers George: discount? rich-c: he has one there that seems to have come off The Ark BobS: and I had Judy's dad on one of the cheapy ones you sent me the list of and it worked great BobS: yup Goerge......6.50/month an dyou use IE5.5 George: he'd do better with ADAMNET rich-c: in fact any old computer should be enough for this chat - bet a 386 could do it
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changed username to macfaker BobS: Netzero and Juno are revised freeby services that tried to dump the advertising off the software rich-c: well Ron - did you get those programs I sent you? Judy: hello, Ron BobS: software and it don't work so great BobS: YO Ronald George: Hi Ron macfaker: yes sir, and thank you very much macfaker: Evening all rich-c: I trust your young man is not longer bothered by pop-ups, then macfaker: Well..... we shalll see rich-c: which of the programs did he find he preferred? macfaker: actually, we ended up with Net Nanny macfaker: the others did nothing to stop the problem macfaker: As it turned out, this was a porno file embedded right down in the registry rich-c: uh - Net Nanny was not intended to solve that particular problem - do I detect an agenda somewhere? macfaker: Even after trying several programs including the ones you sent, Net Nanny was the only thing that worked rich-c: ouch - I have a couple of registry editors, but getting in there is a little too risky for my taste macfaker: kept getting these very un-Christian pictures even though we weren't on line rich-c: that can be most disconcerting macfaker: local RCMP have been advised, and also Shaw Cable macfaker: I swear I've never seen anything like this one rich-c: they can hardly do anything about it
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changed username to Pamela rich-c: the offending site is likely in China or something BobS: LO Pam George: i get those nasty pictures all the time. and on aol too Pamela: herro Judy: hello, Pam rich-c: greetings, daughtere BobS: and HI Pam macfaker: No, but they can be made aware that such things are happening Pamela: somewhere in between actually Bob Pamela: small crowd tonite George: Hi Pam rich-c: oh, they know already, Ron macfaker: Pam ela macfaker: BRB George: ela rich-c: in fact there is an industry in buying up abandoned urls and booby-trapping them Judy: has been really small
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changed username to Guy B. BobS: Hi Guy!!!!! rich-c: it seems to have got vapourized, leaving no trace Pamela: Hi, Guy Judy: hi, Guy Guy B.: Greetings and Happy Halloween George: Hi Guy Pamela: well done Dad rich-c: ah, Guy, you finally made it in Pamela: wanna try again? BobS: BILL GATES has it!!!!!!!!!! Guy B.: Bill Gates has waht? George: HAPPY HELL NIGHT rich-c: yes, actually it's a file I'd like you to pass on to Erin - at work Guy B.: What Guy B.: Oh by the way, I had ti reinstall Win98 from scratch again, but the Athlon is back up. rich-c: no, George, the eve of All Hallows Day BobS: Geo lives in the nasty part of Philly where they reise heck th enight before Holloween Pamela: why don't you just send it directly to her? whelas1@ . . . hmm let me check - brb
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changed username to james BobS: hiya James james: good morning rich-c: good morning, james Judy: we had trick or treat day around here today, the boys went around work today Guy B.: Hi James, long time no see. james: afternoon now actually come to think of it George: Hi James james: so how is everyone?
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changed username to Ron Guy B.: HI Ron. Mac or PC tonight? james: it has cooled off, i just can't consider anything above 10C "cold" Ron: never send an emulator to do the job of real software Guy B.: We are cooler here. Pamela: Hi James - sorry, I was off checking something rich-c: ah, we are at -2 at the moment Pamela: brr - no wonder I'm chilly back here james: jo @a, rich-c: landlord finally stopped overheating the place? james: i mean, hi pam Ron: Hi Guy.... started out with a Mac emulating a PC. soon fixed that.... now it's a PC Ron: Hi James George: ice in the toilet Pamela: Dad, I don't have Erin's business address with me here - it's at work - but she checks her hotmail every day . You could send it there if you wanted Judy: glad it isn't that cold here Pamela: yeah, now I wish he'd crank it up a bit rich-c: OK, guess that might work - what is it? james: so where's our resident phd tonight? Ron: I had my flu shot today - just thought you'd all like to know james: hi ron, how's the wet coast? rich-c: he's off taking the daughters to a movie or two Pamela: firstname.lastname@example.org james: cool Ron: dry James, very dry james: really? wow Pamela: good for you Ron rich-c: OK will use that Pam, thanks Ron: dryest October on record George: i got my pneumonia shot today Ron: reservoirs are in trouble Pamela: I'll send you the office one from work tomorrow if I remember Judy: I can't make myself get on e of them Judy: don't like shots Pamela: what a flu shot Judy? Ron: will e-mail some flu to anyone who wants it Pamela: but it's just a little itty bitty one james: no thanks rich-c: I need my flu shot but my doctor is on vacation till next week George: virus anyone? Pamela: that's okay Dad, serum doesn't come in till Monday anyway - I asked for mine already Judy: yes, don't ever get one Ron: Bob, got your message re the AC14 financial thingie Ron: enlightening, thanks George: trick or treat Pamela: trick Pamela: well? Ron: I take it all amounts are expressed in US dollars? George: i need candy BobS: AND ??????? did it make sense????? Ron: very much so BobS: yan sure US $$$$$$$ rich-c: I am getting all sorts of attacks on my computer right now - anyone else seeing them? Judy: the boys made out really well today Pamela: <Pamela sends George a Dairy Milk> George: thank you Pamela: you're welcome Judy: got a half of pumpkin full BobS: gives guidelines......but each time, ya gotta checka nd figure outif it will work Pamela: Lord Judy, they'll be wired for sound for a month! Ron: do you guys south of the border do the 'trick-or-treat' thing tomorrow night? Judy: just dumped the candy out and Ryan thinks he needs to go trick or treating to get M&Ms in it Ron: aha Ron: we Pamela: at least he has good taste BobS: yup George: hershey bars rich-c: out Halloween festivities will be tomorrow night Ron: we'll likely get 30 or 40 - our neighbourhood is growing up Ron: not so many kids any more Pamela: Hershey's chocolate always tastes funny to me rich-c: the kids will mostly come by between 7 and 9.30 Judy: goes to Grandpa downstairs and grandpa can't say no Ron: whatever is left over goes into my blood stream George: kids are afraid to come here Pamela: then you'd better make sure there's none left, Ron Ron: exactly Pamela rich-c: I think we still have some Reeses Pieces left from last year Pamela: there are no kids in this building and we don't let them in, so I don't have to worry about having the stuff around Ron: have a pumpkin to carve, and a luminour skeleton to hang from the oak tree by the front door Pamela: eww - throw them out Dad Judy: we won'tbe home tomorrow, have to work in Holland, Meeka is watching Ryan BobS: GIVE them out first!!!!! BobS: jsut gonna be a lttile stale and crunchy rich-c: dont think I'll risk giving them out Pamela: year old Reeses Pieces? Are you trying to poison people?
(Guy B. throws a hot potato at Pamela.) George: i have pennies nickels and dimes
(Guy B. gives Pamela a can of Diet Coke.) Ron: If it's like last year, there will be an increasing number of parents accompanying the tricksters Guy B.: Sorry Pam, fingers slipped. Pamela: ouch, ooh, hot hot hot . . . dropped it Pamela: ahh, cool diet Coke to cool my fingers on rich-c: since our district has so many Jewish homes that dont observe Halloween, the kids get discouraged BobS: have to, can't trust the kids out alone Pamela: well it's mashed potatoes now Guy Judy: we have that too, the parents are in the cars waiting for the kids to finish Ron: signs of the times Guy B.: All you need is butter now and a little pepper. BobS: ow.......smashed huh???? Pamela: and wash off the kitty fur : ) Ron: still looking for a way of turning oak leaves into $10 bills George: who is undefined? Pamela: Ron, how many times do we have to tell you, money doesn't grow on trees? Guy B.: Jeanene delivered a carved pumpkin to me a little while ago. It's sitting inside and facing out my balcony door. Ron: I can hope can't I? rich-c: dont know George, someone came and went away it seems Pamela: hope springs eternal Ron Ron: James, do they do anything like Halloween in Japan? Pamela: If you find one, send me a cutting BobS: oh. but just think how NICE that would be...money growin on the trees George: pie Pamela: the problem is, by the time I got old enough to appreciate the adult aspects of Halloween, I had moved out Ron: One school in Vancouver (Surrey) banned it Ron: no costumes, no parties George: or is that pi Pamela: banned Halloween? That's sacrilege rich-c: bunch of right-wing religious or left-wing dogmastics? Ron: needless to say, comments are flying back and forth over the media james: ugh. don't get me started on religion Pamela: if it's religion, that's on par with banning the Harry Potter books because they have magic in them Pamela: ridiculous BobS: trouble is, the whole thing can become a big pain IF it gets out of hand BobS: like it sometimes does james: i hate organized religion in any way shape or form. rich-c: the answer, james, is just ignore it and it will eventually go away james: one can hope Ron: well, I heard an interview with the Principal of this particular Surrey School, and I had to admit...... based on the school's experience she probably had a point rich-c: except, as they say in Jerusalem, that tends to take too long George: does anyone really believe in GOD anymore? james: i stopped when i was 11 or 12 BobS: a lot of the population does George james: the day of my "confirmation" ironically rich-c: yes George, apparently about 7 out of 10 Americans do, many are quite nasty about it Pamela: certainly I think people still believe - but everyone's definition of belief is different and individual james: from what i've seen, it's still much more prevalent south of the border Ron: :) rich-c: in Canada I gather it's about one in three take some religion seriously, but we have a lot of immigrants Ron: Alls I know is that I do not want to go anywhere where it is hot Ron: so whatevere I need to do.....that I shall do james: i read an interesting survey - 80% of canadians would knowingly vote an atheist into power vs. a meager 25-30% of americans Pamela: one can have beliefs without subscribing to a particular religion, and that's what causes such a furor sometimes rich-c: it is one of the differences between the two countries, james Pamela: those who do believe in organized religion tend to think that those who don't have no faith at all james: amongst others, yes. canada overall just seems more liberal rich-c: even dogmatic atheism is a form of belief, Pamela - think about it BobS: it just depends n the day in the US.....now Sept 11, everyone had religion.....today the #'s a rea a LOT less Ron: I'll bet, eh Bob? james: where i take offence is those that assume those of us with no "faith" as it is called don't have morality. BobS: ya mon rich-c: the noted shortage of atheists in foxholes, no doubt BobS: what the heck does the moral issue have to do with whether you are religious or not???? rich-c: you do have a faith, james - it just isnt in the more common directions Pamela: that's an issue not much discussed James but you're right Pamela: exactly Bob rich-c: why Bob, ask any religious - if you dont believe what they do, you're going straight to hell Ron: I've had too much help in my life not to have faith james: i'll go further to say that if i do something good, it's because i want to, not because i'm being coerced into some carrot and stick james: points system for an afterlife Ron: you have a point there James Pamela: ah yes James, but you can be bad all your life and according to the Catholics, if you repent at the last minute, you'll be rewarded james: yeah. Ron: I think more and more people are searching these days, but established religions fall short rich-c: well, that's how they see it Pamela: so what kind of signal does that send? rich-c: whether we admit it or not, sall of us are always searching james: funny how atheists/agnostics/undecided represent anywhere from 30-40% of the population at large, depending who you ask but make up a mere 1% of the prison population BobS: Richard, you gotta talk to less selfish people with religion rich-c: doesn't mean we're finding, or are happy with what we find Pamela: and isn't it funny how many of those "find religion" while inside? BobS: and then lose it when they get out of prison Pamela: exactly BobS: it fits the bill while they are inside BobS: and gets them what they want Pamela: it makes a mockery of the system as a whole and of religion as a whole james: yup rich-c: the bottom line is simple:religion is about faith; its tenets ccannot be proven or disproven BobS: si senorita.............. Ron: I read once somewhere that the objective of religion is to raise man's centre of consciousness approximately 3 feet james: "repent and ye shall be saved". what a farce Pamela: cute Ron BobS: that's good Ron james: lol Ron: seemed valid at the time rich-c: a point well taken, Ron Pamela: so what about woman's? Pamela: or was that not brought up? rich-c: and james, analyze what the statement really means, not the sloganistic quality Ron: should have used the word 'human' Ron: but it's probably more applicable to men Judy: cute,Pam james: lol BobS: but rich is right, whatever you believe or don't believe...the simple fact you believe something is faith=religion of something or other Ron: when this was written - as I recall - there wasn't yet an awareness of gender neutral terms Pamela: I wasn't attempting to be p.c. - but it brings up a valid point about the gender bias Ron: faith = belief is something which cannot be proven or demonstrated with reference to the physical senses rich-c: one may be an unbeliever in all of the 9990 known religions, yet still have a system of beliefs james: i have a system of beliefs and values, it's just not based on the presence of a "supreme being". BobS: personally, I BELIEVE that halloween candy is GOOD for ya !!!!!!! Pamela: Aren't we arguing apples and oranges here? Ron: Thank You Bob Slopsema!!! Ron: I'll drink to that james: :D rich-c: your problem, james, is that you then have to resolve life questions the hard way Pamela: yes, but what are you going to call the religion? Pamela: : ) james: life questions, such as? BobS: Choco...ism...........:-) james: what am i doing here? why am i here? etc? Ron: where did I come from? Why am I here? Where am I going? rich-c: what are your ethics and morals - and why did you decide they are the "right" answers Pamela: that's a short step to chocoholism, Bob Ron: I came from a place where people didn't get fat because the ate too muchn Ron: much rich-c: the great attraction of the popular religions is that one does not have to think james: i prefer to think Guy B.: Well folks, got to check the e-mail. I'll see you all next week. Pamela: ditto rich-c: one does this or that because God says it's right BobS: I can only hope Ron: I am hear to learn that there are consequences to eating too much james: rather than just have someone give me the answers Pamela: Guy, leaving so soon? Ron: I am going to a place where all food is served hot Judy: bye, guy rich-c: see you then, Guy, Sat if you can make it, Wed if not BobS: ok guy Pamela: nite Guy George: nite Guy Ron: say goodnight Guy Pamela: even the Popsicles, Ron?
Guy B. left chat session Ron: you've heard of a snoball in hell? BobS: and delicious james: boiled ice cream Ron: And I will probably be back this way to learn whatever I didn't learn this time George: brrr its cold Pamela: yeah, it happened when Hell froze over : ) Ron: Like nobody needs a computer other than the ADAM Pamela: well now, reincarnation is a whole other kettle of fish Ron james: hell froze over? what are the maple leafs gonna win the stanley cup this year? :P Ron: indeed it is james: heh heh George: why do we have pentium 4 ? rich-c: well, that's rather less likely than hell freezing over, james james: lol Pamela: very funny James - we're not the Cubs yet Ron: funny how things I'm currently trying to learn were presented to me around the age of 6 rich-c: does tend to work that way, Ron james: on a completely different note, it occurred to me that if player salaries weren't so exhorbitant, we'd have more franchises in canada Ron: like - Don't fall asleep in public museums BobS: some things take time Ronald rich-c: but dont worry, it gets worse as you get older Ron: what franchieses James? james: hockey Ron: oh that silly game rich-c: professional sports aren't interested in maximizing the number of franchises Judy: some things are not possible, Ron james: it's a disgrace that there's what, maybe 5 viable canadian teams BobS: if players saleries were less a LOT of things could and would happen....like cheaprer tickets, more fans........ Ron: yes, Judy - that's true rich-c: long term, one viable, maybe Ron: will never forget that rich-c: yes Bob, but no multi-millionaire players and no multi-billionaire owners Pamela: don't get my started James, that's one of my soapboxes james: i don't know, i'm just tired of everything in my country being for sale Ron: Japan? Ron: or Canada? james: i meant canaduh Ron: ah rich-c: in Japan it's the politicians that are for sale Ron: Dopn' Ron: Don't come to BC any time soon james: was that a freudian slip, ron? there's no dope in bc.. c'mon.. :D rich-c: right, james, they exported it all to the U.S. Ron: In Ottawa once, I paid $6.40 (Canadian now) to go to a tripple A ball game. Brand new stadium, brand new team. And I was 10 rows up behind home plate Pamela: I beg to differ James - there are a number of dopes in BC Ron: The kids had the ability, and they put on quite a show james: i really think canada needs a population about 3 times what it is now to maintain any kind of cultural and economic inertia Ron: now that's value james: :D Ron: I missed your point James Ron: happens a lot around here Pamela: problem is, all that population would congregate around the large cities, and would exacerbate all the problems we already have rich-c: in fact, james, in population Canada is one of the larger countries in the world james: yeah, it needs to spread out james: everyone goes to vancouver, toronto and montreal, ottawa now. rich-c: look at most of the nations of Europe - much smaller, but vibrant and durable cultures Pamela: exactly Ron: Yup. james: yes, that's because they're surrounded by comparably sized equipotent nations rich-c: like Germany? George: hey most of our recent presidents were governors Ron: Ok... we've talked about religion, now we're into politics Ron: next Ron: comes women james: lol Ron: The three things you cannot discuss in a military mess hall Judy: well, everyone it is time for me to say goodnite, before I turn into a pumpkin, talk to you next week james: bye judy rich-c: yes George, that's why I mentioned governors being interesting because the office is a steppingstone Pamela: boo, Judy Ron: did we scare you off Judy? rich-c: night Judy, take it easy George: nite Judy Ron: nite Judy - be well Judy: no, just tired, days are to long for me lately Pamela: and yes, I meant the double entendre. Happy Halloween Ron: not enough hours in a day around here - and I'm supposed to be retarded BobS: naw, we gotta head fo rbed 'cause we gotta work at the antique mall tomorrow and ge tryan off early, drive an hour an then sit on our duffs.... :-) Ron: have a good day Bob Pamela: g'nite to you both rich-c: and lots of sales - or are you buying? BobS: see ya's next Wed, EH?????? james: lol BobS: POOF Ron: Good Lord willin'
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BobS left chat session Ron: oh, that's right. james: anyone talk about adam recently? rich-c: he even has it more or less up to date now, I believe Pamela: nope George: everyone is leaving Ron: I know James........ not nearly enough rich-c: actually james yes, George and I were discussing Adam a bit last Saturday james: not that i mind engaging in political discussion james: cool Pamela: speaking of leaving, this is the end of the road for me - I'm zoning again james: 'nite pam Ron: g'nite Pam. No dreaming now rich-c: OK daughter, take it easy - nite nite Pamela: too tired to dream Ron. Nite to all George: nite Pam Pamela: I'm outta here. Ron: :)) Pamela: poof
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changed username to Colecoguy james: i might be able to make it Colecoguy: Hell All! Ron: that would be super James if you could Ron: Mike james: but it's touch and go. was in ottawa in sept, will be again in december then again in march with my troupe james: hye! rich-c: well Michael, havent seen you for a while rich-c: and by the way, got your Halloween message james: i'm racking up a lot of airmiles lately Colecoguy: Hell Ron Hows Life treating you Ron: I'm looking at the last weekend in July James, but that is yet to be confirmed james: but i may have to go again in the summer, of all things, to renew my driver's licence Ron: good Mike. Life goes on despite my best attempts to prevent it james: don't wanna let it expire Colecoguy: great I thought you'd like it RIch Colecoguy: Yea I got Ya.. Ron! Howes the wet coast rich-c: is this one of those years when you need a new picture, james? james: not sure yet. i have to check into it. Ron: not wet at this point Mike. As I was saying earlier, it's been one of the driest October's on record james: i hope i can just do it online Colecoguy: Who is undefined George: it's time for me to go rich-c: if not, maybe you could get your folks to renew it at one of the kiosks Ron: will keep you posted James re plans....hoping to put up a website shortly james: because recently i've been closing the school, doing a lot of make up classes and flying more than i'd like to rich-c: night George, see you Saturday Colecoguy: Sounds Like a goo Idea Ron Cause I have to come by bus!!! George: nite all see Saturday Colecoguy: Night Geroge! rich-c: by the way Ron, the truck should go in for the engine conversion wekk of the 11th Ron: right Mike. Any way you can George: poof
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Ron confirmed ban james: i should really get some lunch and make a feeble attempt to get at least one thing done today rich-c: yes, if it goes well that issue at lesst will be resolved Ron: James, the over-achiever Ron: :) Colecoguy: I have been trying to st up of my ADAM again Finally! Radio station almost ready for the airwaves Ron Rich Colecoguy: set james: lol james: just when the chat gets back to adam Ron: see ya next week James, rich-c: till next week, james Colecoguy: see ya James Have a good one! Colecoguy: :) james: yeah, btw, i've still gotten nowhere on getting started w/ assembler.. Colecoguy: which one rich-c: I gather none of those books I mentioned could help you? Ron: Rich - re your earlier comment about an 'agenda' at this place I'm tracking down non-Christian pictures at Ron: the more I think of it, the more I think you may have a point james: any chance someone could meet me here online to help me bootstrap the process. Ron: It was the son who want to the site where he should not have gone that started all this Colecoguy: You need dr. d for that james rich-c: I suspect you need Dale or Rich or Daniel james: ok, i'll try to corner daniel Colecoguy: mr. drushel james: or rich james: btw, did my message get posted about daniel's hard drive? Colecoguy: I know hes busy with girls getting ready for halloween Ron: only been on my 'to-do ' list since 1986 James rich-c: Ron, I went in all innocence to a Formula One site I'd been using for years - but what came up - WOW! james: what's that ron? Ron: yup it's there James Colecoguy: Leraned some From Guy C. James but its been awhile Colecoguy: Learned :) Ron: assembler james: ok, i can code. it's just getting what i need in terms of software and manuals. my macadam manual that was on my hd seems to have disappeared rich-c: fortunately I had all my shields up but it was trying to change my home page, plant all sorts of stuff Colecoguy: The ADAM has been sitting on a shelf for a Year Ron: Rich - these sites seem to be getting more and more aggressive.... or is it just my paranoid imagination? james: no, they are aggressive rich-c: so vacuum it out, chase out the mice and spiders, Michael Colecoguy: yes for sure Ron: give 'em a way in and they send you 40 or 50 pics rich-c: let's say they continue to learn more and more involved nasty tricks james: woohoo! free pics. just kidding. james: yeah, i gotta do something about my network downstairs before one of the kids stumbles onto something Ron: I'm too old for that sort of thing rich-c: james, you want free pix, I'll send you the links from my spam file james: and all hell breaks loose rich-c: every kink in two hemispheres wants to peddle me stuff james: lol, nah, i got my own pile of spam Ron: think this young fellow at my friends place (her son) never intended to see what he saw. He seems now a little embarrassed to say the least Ron: It's a big bad world out there Ron: curiosity of the young Colecoguy: OK well ron I will provide cd copying for Stuff people will want to share and we can put a lot of ADAM stuff, Games roms etc and if you send me a logo or what ever I will Make a label and suggestion from you and others rich-c: frankly, Ron, I don't see it as that big an issue - how old is the kid> james: seriously. ok folks, this is good bye for real this time. i'll post to the group and see if someone can meet me for a date online. james: *poof* Ron: 14 give or take rich-c: nite james Colecoguy: bye Ron: seeya James james: heh, (s)he's probably heard it all at school by now and then some Colecoguy: hames ) james: *poof*
james left chat session Ron: I would think so, but certainly shouldn't be on his grandmother's computer Ron: or his mothers rich-c: I'd say yes, he's at the curious age, maybe did some exploring without realizing what he ws getting into Colecoguy: yes for sure!!!!!!!!! Ron: As for me, I am having one of these times where my help for others involves problems that are way over my head rich-c: don't think it will do him any lasting harm, but he needs to age a bit before doing more Ron: got three 'cases' on the go now....all problematic Colecoguy: I have a piece od software for that Ron what is operating system Ron: Win 98 2nd Edition rich-c: what are the problems, Ron? Ron: trying to get a 486/66 to accept Windows 95.....(should be a no brainer, but it isn't) Ron: trying to get a 486/dx4 - 120 out of the brain dead category Ron: which should be possible, but doesn't appear to ber Ron: be Colecoguy: Ok I understand Ron: Thank God I don't do this for a living rich-c: with the 486, is there an issue of hard disc size? back then the BIOS would only see 540K or something Colecoguy: I under stand after all of the people I take care of Colecoguy: Thats correct Richard Ron: yep, I know about that. Have a program that is put out by Western Digital that works around it Ron: but that might be the heart of it Colecoguy: must you dos 6 boot disk to install I think ron Ron: yup.... been there, done that rich-c: Windows 95 will certainly happily work in 540K so you can skip the workaround, at least till you get Windows installed Ron: next step is to install a 420 Meg hd that I have on the bench.... probably a little more to the computer's liking rich-c: is there possibly the ghose of another OS there, like 3.1 for instance? Win95 won't install if it detects another Colecoguy: People I fix home computers for Lorne my roomate and 27 year friend this Jan,my Mom, SHeryl and firend, Mary, Lornes sister in law in hastings ontario Ron: Actually, I have two versions of Win 95.. One is an upgrade and must see Win 3.1 and the other is OSR Rev B, which wants to start from nothing Colecoguy: use the B Ron: right...it's the more stable of the two, but there seems to be issues Colecoguy: form a dos 6 formated hard diisk partion of 540 meg and see what happens Colecoguy: LIke rich-c: maybe it's looking for USB ports that arent there Colecoguy: not 95 richard Ron: thanks... will try that. Ron: you're right Colecoguy: no usb support Ron: Mike... no usb aboard earlier versions of 95 rich-c: yes - will the disc respond to command.com and let you fdisc it? Ron: I'm making progress, it's just that it's not happening quickly Colecoguy: thats for sure ron you have to by a card with drivers for pci slot Ron: Lord grant me patience, and I want it now rich-c: nominally, Michael, 95B did support USB. Nominally. Ron: The other problem was a network card that was flaky, and I knew it was flaky but in it went anyway Colecoguy: No Richard not at all I know!!! Ron: so it has now been removed Colecoguy: oh fun!!! Colecoguy: I have my probs to with that ron! rich-c: in fact Guy has a 95C Windows that does really support USB Ron: got it mixed up with another of same brand. Now have a label on the flaky one -- Goddamit Don't use this CARD!!! Colecoguy: thats rght ron trash!!! rich-c: surely Ron you stripped it down to bare essentials before trying the install? Ron: like fdisk? Ron: it's my usual practice rich-c: also, I assume you've been through the BIOS checking settings? Ron: yes Colecoguy: ya and check bios settings for Colecoguy: everything Colecoguy: it might be a battery to Ron Ron: and bios upgrades on the net...... not that there's much around for that era Colecoguy: ya Ron: other complicating factor is that this particular unit is a Compaq rich-c: it will take time but I'll bet you beat it, Ron Ron: and they set up a 4 gig partition wherein go system settings Ron: of course, I had not setup software initially.... Ron: but there's lots on the net Colecoguy: what model Ron Colecoguy: I have one in the locker Ron: but without this setup partition, the Compaq goes brain dead Ron: sec Ron: Presario 524 CD rich-c: time when I must check out - in fact I'm half an hour overdue rich-c: so I shall leave you two to your discussion Ron: right Rich....... appreciate the suggestions...... alll leads me to reaffirm that I am not insane rich-c: Michael, next time - we do start at nine Colecoguy: You can get them to mail you cd rom to install orginal software rich-c: Ron, catch you Sat or next week Ron: odd part is that I've been offered $100. for this Presario - if I can get it to run Win 95 Ron: nite Rich Colecoguy: you get a disk for 3.5 and cd rom rich-c: nite both
rich-c left chat session Ron: yup..... I've already downloaded a bunch of stuff Colecoguy: call in a few rich for a sec Ron: two 3-1/2 inch floppies in particular that set up and diagnose this 4 gig partition Ron: anyway..... I will not be defeated by this beast Colecoguy: I knw what your saying Ron: gotta go Mike.....good chatting with ya Colecoguy: anyways hope all are well and I'll meet you out there in july I hope it will be on the island as I have to see where Grandma and grandpa are Ron.. Colecoguy: you too Ron: good.....look forward to that. G'nite Mike Colecoguy: Night
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