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changed username to Georgy Porgy rich-c: hello rich-c: george Georgy Porgy: Hi Rich rich-c: decided to play teh name game, have you?
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changed username to Dr.D. Georgy Porgy: kind of rich-c: greetings, Dr. D Georgy Porgy: Hi Dr.D rich-c: interesting, you do teh day Dr. D plays it straight Georgy Porgy: Hee Hee Dr.D.: Yeah, I'm myself tonight. rich-c: quite, it's George who decided on a new tack rich-c: so Rich, did you get Daniel his program yet? Dr.D.: Not feeling too funny after Jerry Vrancks' news from yesterday... rich-c: PJ phoned me this morning - she was just on her way out to start chemotherapy
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changed username to Daniel Bienvenu Daniel Bienvenu: hi all! rich-c: salut, Daniel Georgy Porgy: Hi Daniel Dr.D.: Hello Danie../ Daniel Bienvenu: I can't stay... I'm at the university right now and i will go home soon. Dr.D.: oops, Daniel... rich-c: oh, is your home computer still hors de combat? Georgy Porgy: Huh? Daniel Bienvenu: not now, it's simply because I record something from computer to VHS.. 6 hours of japanese animations rich-c: Daniel had some hard disc problems, George Dr.D.: Re: PJ and chemo, I fear it's too little, too late. rich-c: to each his own - I'm afraid that's not the way I use my computer Georgy Porgy: too much VHS on his hdd rich-c: but then you likely get more overall satisfaction out of yours
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changed username to Guy B. rich-c: Daniel and George: Patricia Herrington, long-term Adam figure and organizer of Adamcon 01, is gravely ill Guy B.: Greetings!!!! rich-c: evening, Guy Daniel Bienvenu: gravely ill? rich-c: brain cancer Georgy Porgy: Hi Guy Dr.D.: Hello Guy. rich-c: until this year, she and Dale were the only people to attend every Adamcon Daniel Bienvenu: i don't know what to say... it's not my fault! Guy B.: I heard about PJ. How is everyone taking it? rich-c: hard and harder, Guy - as Daniel observes, we don't know what to say Dr.D.: Christina and Elanor are rather glum (I told them last night). Dr.D.: I asked them to make some Christmas cards to mail out ASAP. Guy B.: I was in complete shock. rich-c: yes, Pamela is pretty shook too - I told her this evening Dr.D.: Breast cancer metastasized to brain...very very bad. She doesn't have much time left, I am afraid. rich-c: of course we knew about her battle with breast cancer last summer, and there is always teh risk of metastasis Daniel Bienvenu: I have to go now... like i said, i can't stay... bye! take care! bonne nuit! rich-c: you're right Rich - I lost one of my aunts that way many years ago Dr.D.: IIRC she waited a long time before deciding to have the surgery, and then refused all chemo as followup. Dr.D.: Bye Daniel. Guy B.: And she really was fighting to beat it. rich-c: bonne nuit, Daniel - a la prochaine Guy B.: Bye Daniel. Georgy Porgy: bye Dan rich-c: I think there was a lot of denial Daniel Bienvenu: goodbye everyone! *poof* Daniel Bienvenu: denial... it's like my name... rich-c: a sort of anagram...
Daniel Bienvenu left chat session rich-c: anyway, she has apparently finished a course of radiation therapy and started chemo today rich-c: she already has hearing, vision and balance problems Georgy Porgy: i'm at a loss for words Dr.D.: If it were me, I would be putting my affairs in order, and arranging for morphine 24/7 ad libitum. That's what I decided after watching my mom's sister fight with breast cancer metastasized to bone. rich-c: we all are, GeorgAdam people are special, and PJ is among the most special of all Dr.D.: Hope is one thing, but some things are just "Game Over". Dr.D.: And the expense of dragging it out is not worth it to those left behind IMHO. Dr.D.: I guess I sound cold and callous, but I really have thought this one through for myself, long ago. rich-c: I've known Pat almost since I started with the Adam - edging on towards 20 years rich-c: yes, there is a time to stop fighting Dr.D.: I think I will send her color printouts of my PowerPaint Xmas cards, since I don't think she has a system together to view them otherwise. Georgy Porgy: it hurts, i've had too many loved ones die on me rich-c: Pat remarked that the one consolation is now she can do whatever she pleases rich-c: she didnt say anything about the constraints of physical limits - but that we need not ask rich-c: I regret to tell you, George, that it never gets any easier Georgy Porgy: boy, that's just what i needed rich-c: so far we havent lost too many from our community - Tom Keene is one I can think of, but that was a while back rich-c: David Cobley wont last much longer, but then he's well on in years anyway Dr.D.: One of the Bobs from Florida I thought was killed in a car wreck...can't remember the last name, but I think his wife was named Dottie. Georgy Porgy: i already miss my Mom this time of year, now i'll be alone for Christmas
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changed username to BAIR rich-c: greetings to the Bir rich-c: that's Bair Dr.D.: Bob Bair, hello! Georgy Porgy: Hi Bair BAIR: Hi every one rich-c: regret to say that with the news on PJ this hasnt been our most cheerful night BAIR: what happen rich-c: didn't you see Jerry's post on the list? she has brain cancer Georgy Porgy: i think i'll get drunk as a skunk Guy B.: It's the Bair. How are you Bob? BAIR: no did not know that rich-c: it is a temptation, George BAIR: Hey we are diong find rich-c: unfortunately alcohol is contra'd with my medication - I figure I'm pushing things hard enough with my weekend wine BAIR: hey be carfull Dr.D.: I'm a T-totaller, so not an option for me...just Ye Olde Starke Realitie. rich-c: anyhow, how's things in darkest Indiana? Georgy Porgy: booze is poison to me too BAIR: hey we finly got every thing back in the house rich-c: just in time for the first snow? Georgy Porgy: maybe some hard eggnog Dr.D.: Lots of snow here in cold Cleveland tonight...good snowball fight snow, though. BAIR: yea we worked hard Dr.D.: I pelted the girls some :-) rich-c: that's interesting - we were high 4C today, 0 now with light rain BAIR: it has warmed up here Georgy Porgy: we are very wet in philly BAIR: it may rain or snow fri rich-c: yes, you folks on the coast have been getting really dumped on lately Georgy Porgy: flash flood warnings are out rich-c: well, up the Susquehana, they're so flood-prone the natives don't dare spit Dr.D.: Philly...you got our 1st baseman/slugger Jim Thome, you rascals... Georgy Porgy: we have the Delaware and what i call the surekill
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: yes, I can remember years ago driving through the Delaware Water Gap a few months after one of the floods rich-c: there was still furniture stuck in trees up above the road Georgy Porgy: you never you'll find after the floods rich-c: the Strassburg Railroad Museum has some fascinating flood photos rich-c: they were trying to bring a locomotive down the valley when the flood satruck rich-c: it ended up still on the track with water pouring down its smokestack Georgy Porgy: that must have been a sight rich-c: if you are over in Penn Dutch country go visit their train - it's neat
It is me (ron) but I don't like this browser, so I'll be back
left chat session rich-c: ok Ron see you Georgy Porgy: i rode the train a few years back rich-c: there is quite a complex over that way with the State Railway Museum and all Georgy Porgy: i want to visit steamtown rich-c: very nice part of teh country but that Penn Dutch cooking is too hard on my waistline rich-c: I've heard of Steamtown but can't place it Georgy Porgy: it's in scranton rich-c: oh, up there in the northeast - OK
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left chat session Dr.D.: Ron needs to give up that TDOS web browser... rich-c: now, taking the CPR through the Rockies, through the Spiral Tunnels - them's mountains! Georgy Porgy: in coal mining area BAIR: old habits are hard to break rich-c: yes, they have had some underground coal fires burning there for almost a century Georgy Porgy: ever hear of Centralia? rich-c: yes, but not necessarily the one you're thinking of rich-c: I assume you don't mean the Canadian air base Georgy Porgy: no BAIR: my phone is ringing have only one line marry chirstmas to every one rich-c: ditto Bob, take care
BAIR left chat session rich-c: guess Bob has one of those thingies from Radio Shack that tells you when there's an incoming call Dr.D.: Bye Bob. Georgy Porgy: a town in PA that was evacuated because a coal mine caught fire Dr.D.: I have to go, too; gotta pick up Christina from a concert at the high school. Back in a bit. rich-c: c u later, Rich, say hello to Christina for us Georgy Porgy: see you later rich-c: our mines dont catch fire, they are more prone to explosions and caveins Guy B.: Bye Dr. D
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changed username to Ron rich-c: well Ron you finally made it Ron: Send a man todo a boy's job Ron: hah Guy B.: HI Ron. What computer are you on tonight? Georgy Porgy: Hi Ron rich-c: what browser did it take to buffalo you? something in Unix? Ron: Seems's Java under Linux needs a little work....at least here, tonight, on this box Ron: anyway.....eveningall Ron: the Duron, Guy rich-c: thought there was a nice tidy version of NN that was seriously stable under Linux Georgy Porgy: can you put OS X on a PC? Ron: don't think so rich-c: no, it is built for Motorola architecture and command set Georgy Porgy: joking Ron: I 'm not sure I want OS X anywhere Ron: but it currently lives on my iMac rich-c: I suspect you could emulate a PC under OS X though Ron: Every OS sucks Ron: true Rich rich-c: have you upgraded to 10.2 yet, Ron? Ron: and a fine Win 98 imitation it is Guy B.: Ok, so we have one Duran, Two Athlon's, one 486 and Georgy, what type of PC you have? Ron: or Linux Ron: that's DURON, Guy Georgy Porgy: isn't there softwindows for MAC? Ron: Duran is half a rock group rich-c: well, OS-X is on a Linux kernel, and Linux can support PC emulation Guy B.: Sorry Ron. Guess everyone can have spelling errors. Duron. Ron: not quite Rich. BSD Unix Ron: How did I get so damn smart Ron: for a guy who a week ago couldn't think straight rich-c: ah so - OK - but then so can Unix, it's all in the family Ron: more or less, yeah Georgy Porgy: now let's build something completely different Guy B.: That's me included Ron. I had those days too! Especially this week at work. Ron: Oh? rich-c: dont tell us some bug has gone and bit you, Guy Ron: I have two LC II's here (mac's to the uninitiated) Ron: think they should be made to run the emulator Ron: the would make a cute pair of ADAMs Guy B.: Seems when I don't remember what I've done things all the time. I forget to the obvious when it comes to changing things. rich-c: run that by again, Guy? Ron: um....... ?? ? ? Ron: sounds normal Guy Guy B.: Like when I know when to change information. This week, my mind went elsewhere. Ron: Rich, our weather man is showing a snow icon right over your head....tell me it itsn't so rich-c: I dont think there is an Aplle version of the Adam Emulator, is there? Ron: No, but there is an M68K version of Linux, and a Linux version of the emulator Ron: soo we shall see rich-c: OK Ron, it ain't so. Last time we looked it was raining and )C, down from 4 Ron: ah Ron: He was talking about Southern Ontario and northern Michican Ron: Michigan Guy B.: On our database at work. When we have two of the same records and I deleted one and brought in the old record. I forgot I had to change the information to reflect the older record that was on the one that I deleted. Georgy Porgy: row row row my boat gently out my door rich-c: Dr. D. was observing that they had a good dollop of snow in Cleveland this evening Ron: ok, so that's northern Ohio Guy B.: No snow here. But we are in a warming trend at least through the weekend. rich-c: yeah Ron, the east coast is going into competition with you guys for December rainfall Ron: we're getting that too Ron: our storm tracks are on track Ron: right overhead rich-c: I can tell you that our ski lodge operators are not complaining, and they're only 50 miles north Ron: suspect not rich-c: seems they have already had a few nice big fat dumps pf snow Ron: So you'll all be happy to know that tonight I feel more human rich-c: can't tell about track; the Globe & Mail finked today and didnt show the jet stream Ron: tut-tut Georgy Porgy: quick cash crop Ron: More of the same for the next 7 days here rich-c: around here, George, that's something folks grow in their basements Ron: indeed...... a veritable industry it is rich-c: the cops have a new trick now to find them - a chopper with an infrared sensor Georgy Porgy: is Pam going to join us tonight? rich-c: a grow house shows up as if someone had lifted up the roof and let all the lights show through Ron: Seems like they uncover several a week in Vancouver rich-c: maybe so, maybe no, George - she's off doing teh bridesmaid thing with Kimberly rich-c: if she finishes up and gets home in time, she will join us Ron: you guys all got the word from Jerry Vrancks? Ron: re PJ rich-c: here it's the fire department discovers them - bypassing the hydro meter can lead to overheating problems Guy B.: We are still in shock Ron: right rich-c: we were discussing it earlier, Ron; I also had a call this morning Guy B.: Been a rough year for her. Ron: right rich-c: Dr. D suggests the prognosis is short and negative - I believe he is right Ron: yup rich-c: keep the T-shirt and spare chair for Adamcon, Ron Ron: I still have it yes
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changed username to james Ron: she had asked me to hang on to it Guy B.: Hi James rich-c: morning, james Georgy Porgy: Hi James Ron: James, good sir james: apologies to all those who were awaiting my presence on bated breath.. rich-c: how's the spam diet doing? james: :D Guy B.: How are things over there? james: not bad. Ron: Oh, but we were, we were james: lol james: very rough night last night rich-c: like a cat that ate cheese and sat by the mousehole, we wre Ron: nice visual Rich Guy B.: Speaking of diets. I've finally did it. Lost 30 pounds this year. james: congratulations guy! rich-c: hey, Guy, that is just absolutely terrific Guy B.: Now my dress pants are coming loose. rich-c: should have saved you a recent column from the Toronto Star james: can i interest anyone in buying a slightly used human male? james: it's a 2002 model Ron: nicely done Guy, congrats rich-c: one of their columnists just finished losing 100 lbs. james: 100? wow james: they lost the equivalent weight of my mother Ron: I've thinking this past week that there must be something in your average fever that could be applied to weight loss strategy rich-c: do I get the feeling that your son and heir is being a bit difficult at the moment? Ron: a mere increase of 2 degrees in my body temp, and presto james: yeah Ron: I don't want to eat Guy B.: I'm going to try for 35 by Christmas. james: i guess he thought we were bored last night at 2 a.m. so he kept us entertained from 2 until about 5 rich-c: teething? james: he is teething but i really don't think that was the problem last night james: small group today rich-c: unfortunately, he is not yet at the stage that he can tell you where it hurts Ron: the Slopsema's are off travellin' Georgy Porgy: he just wanted to keep you awake james: no. all he can do is cry blue murder for two hours straight till we figure it out rich-c: the Slopsemas are all off cruising, Dr. D. is on a break, Daniel has left and Pamela is yet to arrive Guy B.: Wonder where they are at today! james: i could sense you guys getting lonely Ron: nobody here but is 'wegulars' rich-c: well, Bair dropped in but had to leave james: i'm afraid i can't stay all that long myself, but maybe i can hang around for the next 30 mins or so Guy B.: Anyone interested in a used Zip 100 drive? I bought a Zip 250 drive and it came today. It's part of the Rinaldi settlement that I received. Ron: me too...gotta take off in 20 or so james: how are things on the wet coast, ron? Ron: wet windy wonderful rich-c: is it internal or external, Guy? Guy B.: External, parellel port. Ron: the "grapefruit express" is alive and well james: an internal one is still worth about $35 us i think james: ron, when is the big con again? rich-c: really? that surprises me james: @rich - for a new one, yes Ron: This will not become official until end of the month James ...but Guy B.: I originally bought the Zip 100 drive when Montgomery Ward was still iun business for $99. I would probably get about $40 for it. Ron: July 24 25 26 27 james: ok.. it looks like the easiest way to renew my licence will be just to fly in and do it. Guy B.: July. Might as well write the dates down now. Ron: and would you be able to stop the plane over Comox for 4 days, and jump out? rich-c: I am surprised anyone would want a Zip drive now - CD-RWs are so cheap and so much higher capacity james: i might. looking into it Guy B.: Well, Iomega is making a pretty good pitch that Zip disks are better than CD-RW's. One point is they don't scratch. Ron: that would be extremely super James james: thing is the last time i went to canada it had been a year and a half but now Guy B.: They came out with a 750mb Zip drive. james: we just went in september, we're going again next week and then i'll have my troop in march Ron: just move here james: so to go again in july is a lot james: i have to close the school and make up the classes every time i go Georgy Porgy: pillz pillz pillz and more pillz rich-c: the real killer is price, Guy - blank CDs ar about teh price of plain old floppies james: but if i have to go anyways, i might as well make it worthwhile Ron: Yes, James, can certainly see where that might be a major set of arrangements Ron: we will hope that it falls into place james: when we went in sept, we weren't really planning on going again so soon rich-c: absolutely - when will you be in Toronto, james, in March? james: rich, i'll have to double check our itinerary (finished everything awhile ago) but i think it was march 27th james: we'll just be going through, not staying. rich-c: as soon as you can confirm, do let us know, just to mark it on the calendar Guy B.: True Rich. Prices have dropped dramtically over the past 3 years. And yet, floppy disks are still being sold. But, that LS120 drive. Completely bombed out. rich-c: maybe we can meet long enough to do lunch, or something Georgy Porgy: how about a 60 gb. rewritable disk drive james: we'll be arriving shortly after noon for lunch at osf, then going up the cn tower for a couple of hours then off to catch our train to ottawa rich-c: OSF? james: old spagetti factory james: sorry james: spaghetti that is rich-c: yes, I have an LS120 drive but don't use it, and Sony canned their LS200 before it got to market james: brb rich-c: but until burners and blank discs got reasonable, I was glad to have the LS120 rich-c: used it to back up all my Win3.1 and Win95 downloads Ron: Still have a SCSI Zip 100 I use with the older Macs for backup Georgy Porgy: i heard of ls-250 drives Guy B.: I remember when Tigerdirect was touting it as the drive of the future to compete against the Zip 100. Then Iomega comes out with the 250 Zip drive and I believe the LS 120 just fell off the face of the earth. I know you can still get disks for them. rich-c: well, like the Zip 100, you can get discs but who wants them? rich-c: The only reason I could use a Zip 100 is because Pam has one and I could use it to give her programs Guy B.: One thing about the Zip 250. I can use the Zip 100 disks as well as the 250mb disks. Ron: Use my burner more rich-c: but I can do that more easily and handle bigger programs cheaper with the CD Georgy Porgy: just get a dvd burner james: i sold my zip drive off with some other parts when i put together a machine for a guy james: i've got a cdrw/dvdram drive now that i'll put in my new machine once we get back after xmas Guy B.: I only got the CD-RW drive for the Athlon just for backing up the hard drive. I still use the Zip drive on the P133 and that's where the new drive is going. rich-c: no, the DVD burners have najor format programs - there is no standard and not all work together james: i'm going to stick with cdr for awhile yet rich-c: besides, teh dvd burners still cost about half a kilobuck - too much Guy B.: And I heard not all DVD players will work with the discs you burn with it. james: sounds like where cdrs were about 6 years ago rich-c: right, Guy, and none will do the big format (20 gigs or something?) Georgy Porgy: HP had a rewritable dvd standard rich-c: at least four different industry groups all have their won standards, George - that's the problem james: that's the nice thing about standards. so many of them rich-c: they cant even agree on whether to use a red or blue laser for burning - and that matters Guy B.: The article I read didn't specifically say why. Something with the format headers I think. james: hey ron, i meant to ask you, any luck with those amiga ethernet cards Georgy Porgy: ? rich-c: which reminds me, Ron, I got a box of Amiga 2000 keyboaards, or pieces thereof, which might or might not work or be useful for salvage Ron: Think My buddy found one in Montreal, but I'm not sure. Haven't talked to him about it in a few days james: cool james: they seem to be rarer than dragon's dingle Ron: exactly Ron: LOL (dragon's dingle) rich-c: when I find out if I have anything, I'll let you know and you can pass the word on Ron: please Rich rich-c: Jack Pines will have first refusal, of course, if he's still interested Ron: agreed james: what price range were you looking at ron? were those cards on e-bay overpriced? Dr.D.: Back from my away mission. rich-c: you could also ask him if an Amiga 2000 with Video Toaster and (I think) 040 accelerator card is of interest james: welcome back Ron: I think this guy would pay just about any damn thing. Not sure James james: hmm
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changed username to Pamela rich-c: welcome back, Rich Dr.D.: I see Ron managed to get SmartWWW working on his ADAM :-) Ron: ok james: i'm very good at getting stuff off of ebay if you want me to try Guy B.: Hi Pam. rich-c: hi daughter, Geroge was asking about you earlier Pamela: Hi, I made it Georgy Porgy: Hi Pam Dr.D.: Hello Pamela. james: hi pam Pamela: Greetings, all Guy B.: Pam, thought I let you know that I finally lost 30 pounds this year. rich-c: I hope the roads weren't too icy, Pam Pamela: Congrats, Guy - well done! Guy B.: Hit it last week and holding. Pamela: Not icy, just wet and cold Dad Pamela: Plus, I took the main streets home rather than trying the highway rich-c: we noticed it's just about 0 - real verglas time Ron: Have duly noted that Rich, will ship him an e-mail james: ron, did you bother to get in touch with your nabu friend? Ron: Rich.... is this something you have for sale, or for cost of shipping? Georgy Porgy: i lost 15 pounds rich-c: OK, it's in a secondhand computer shop I've dealt with; I can give him name and URL Pamela: Really George? That's great! Guy B.: Well folks. Time to check the e-mail. Probably won't be here this Saturday. Having the pets photos taken with Santa and Christmas shopping wrapup. Plus my birthday is Monday. Ron: haven't been able to locate him James. Was trying that just the other night. Phone number I have is no longer good, and whowhere turned up same info Georgy Porgy: i lost it from barfing Ron: search continues rich-c: many happy returns then, Guy, if you dont make it this weekend Pamela: Happy birthday Guy and good luck with Santa Guy B.: Thank Rich, I'll see you all next week. Ron: retoins Guy Ron: another year older? rich-c: night Guy Guy B.: Yep!
Guy B. left chat session Ron: bewell Pamela: so, did I miss anyone? Dr.D.: Bye Guy. Ron: I too must take my leave, good people. Have a place to be by 8 Ron: We'll talk to you next week...... james: bye ron! Dr.D.: Bye Ron...I'll probably be heading out soon too myself. Pamela: aw, Ron, I didn't even get a chance to say more than hi Pamela: take care Ron: Hi Pam, bye Pam Georgy Porgy: nite Ron Pamela: g'nite Ron: Nite all rich-c: see you, Ron
Ron left chat session Pamela: Rich, before you ask I still haven't seen HP james: hewlett packard? Dr.D.: Sigh. Pamela: Harry Potter james: oh. nevermind Dr.D.: The girls were playing games trying to guess the title of the (overdue) 5th HP book. Pamela: Sorry - we'll go see it soon but it's only playing at Yorkdale at 12:00 and 4:00, and I couldn't make either of those shows Dr.D.: They came up with a fun title. Pamela: we'll have to wait until over the Christmas holidays. Pamela: which is? Dr.D.: "Harry Potter and the Mysterious Meat" james: how about "harry potter and the mulitimillionaire adventure"? Pamela: so what's the mystery meat? Dr.D.: What is the *only* mystery meat? Pamela: roadkill? Georgy Porgy: how about Harry Potter Dies? Dr.D.: SPAM. Pamela: ah. james: lol james: @george. rich-c: I notice no one seems to talk about Star Wars - AOTC - is it that bad? Pamela: according to everything I've heard Dad, yes. Dr.D.: El Stinko IMHO. james: if you ask me, and no one has, they never should have made the prequel series with george lucas calling the shots james: he really should have let someone else direct Georgy Porgy: wasn't star wars in the 70's? rich-c: that is going to make life awkward for teh completists, then, espeically if II is good james: II is bad from what i've heard Dr.D.: If George had been hit by a bus in 1984, he would be hailed today as one of the greatest filmmakers ever, and everyone would be lamenting that his career had been cut so short... james: and if 1 is anything to go by, i can definitely see that happening Dr.D.: Unfortunately he lived long enough to destroy his own handiwork. Pamela: I haven't seen either 1 or 2 james: don't bother james: i'm not even going to bother seing 2 james: seeing Dr.D.: SFX without heart or soul, that's all they are. james: three words: jar jar binks james: that totally ruined it for me Pamela: I want to wait until all 1, 2 and 3 are out, then watch the whole series in order rich-c: three more: OH OH NO!!! james: if i want cute and cuddly, i'll go watcht he care bears movie Dr.D.: "The Care Bears Meet Mr. Chipper-Shredder" james: lol Pamela: try Barney instead, James james: i'm stuck in the 80s Georgy Porgy: more rain on the way Georgy Porgy: instant indoor pool rich-c: just teh Great American Style - Bad Guys getting whacked (preferably messily) and Things Blowing Up Pamela: James, how can you be a child of the '80s if you're only in your 20's? Dr.D.: Time travel. james: i'm in my late 20s Pamela: nevertheless . . . james: the 80s were my formative years Georgy Porgy: i'm 17 Pamela: with how many years experience, George? rich-c: I think I'm still in the 90s, but that's just time going so fast I can't keep up james: i was six in 1980 Dr.D.: I stopped watching TV regularly when I went to CWRU, Fall 1980. Pamela: I was 15 in 1980 james: i'd already formed most of my opinions by 15. few of them have changed Dr.D.: I pretty much stopped watching TV at all after about Season 4 of Star Trek: Deep Space 9. Georgy Porgy: i wasn't in 1980 Pamela: didn't you watch Voyageur, Rich? Dr.D.: Everything that I liked got cancelled, or moved around so much that I couldn't find it on the dial anymore. rich-c: gee, I couldnt live without my tv james: i can live without mine Pamela: Horseradish, Dad rich-c: at least as far as auto races and CFL football are concerned Dr.D.: We slogged through Season 1 of Voyager, then pretty much gave up completely on the Star Trek universe. Georgy Porgy: hdtv Dr.D.: The only Voyager episode we liked was the one with the Q who wanted to die. james: what do you think of st:enterprise? Pamela: sorry Dad, I thought you said you could live without it Dr.D.: Watched only the pilot episode...after the infamous decontamination scene, it was clear what demographic the show was after, and I wasn't it. rich-c: well, without everything except the aforementioned - in fact I do Pamela: Enterprise is really good so far, but it does have some anomalies in it Dr.D.: Haven't watched any Enterprise since...and the new Trek movie looks awful from the trailers. Georgy Porgy: the mondaynight footballers have their HDTV james: the pilot wasn't great. they're still only showing 1st season here james: it's rough around the edges but seems to have improved Dr.D.: Trek is now a cash cow...the current writers are burned out...the current stewards don't care about continuity or logic or anything. Dr.D.: It is easier for me to just declare it "not Star Trek" and not watch it, so I don' Dr.D.: don't get aggravated by it. james: my favourite sci-fi is still hitchhikers Pamela: I disagree Rich Dr.D.: Trek needs to go to sleep for about 100 years. Georgy Porgy: i thought it did james: i wish i could sleep for about 100 years Georgy Porgy: me too Dr.D.: But I bet, Pam, that you never had memorized all the TOS episodes and could follow along with TNG and see how hard they were trying (at first) to get all the continuity right. rich-c: we all know the feeling well, james james: lol james: i don't mean that i'm tired (i am though) just that i feel i was born about 100 years too early rich-c: in fact, I spent part of this afternoon dozing off intermittently - Frances spent most of it doing so Dr.D.: Me, I feel that I was born 100 years too late! I'm a 19th-century guy trapped in the 21st century. Georgy Porgy: i'll go in hibernation Pamela: No, I was never a TOS fan. However, I have seen all but one of TNG episodes, all the Voyageur episodes and most of the DS9 and all the Enterprise episodes Dr.D.: My values and attitudes and interests and motivations are all wrong for today. Dr.D.: People who started Trek with TNG have had a different experience. rich-c: well, yes, Rich, but eventually society will catch up to you james: i started with TOS james: every sunday at 10 a.m. for the longest time when i was a kid rich-c: though I do fear the process of doing so might end up being rather messy Georgy Porgy: TOS? Pamela: I'm sure I've seen all the TOS episodes - but I saw them with Mom first back in the sixties james: the original series Dr.D.: "The Original Series" Georgy Porgy: did that Pamela: Like everyone, I have my favourites but my favourite series was Voyageur james: anyways, i need to shower, eat lunch and run some errands. will see you all in the new year as i'm leaving for canada next wednesday Dr.D.: My sisters and I and friends played TOS. I drew comics of TOS. I wrote computer games of TOS. I collected all the TOS books and plastic model kits. Joan did, too. rich-c: OK james, wave as you fly over!!! Dr.D.: Travel safely, James. james: i shall james: thanks dr. d rich-c: happy landings, and happy new year - see you there Pamela: Have a wonderful holiday James - and enjoy your time here at home james: best holidays to everyone and see you all soon. *poof* Dr.D.: TOS was (for me as a kid) a believable, optimistic extension of the American space program.
james left chat session rich-c: I fear I am going to begin nodding off soon too Georgy Porgy: i did Pamela: unfortunately, I was too young to enjoy them the first time around. They made a lot more sense the second time, when I was old enough to understand them rich-c: think I had better pull the plug for the evening rich-c: George, see you Saturday? Georgy Porgy: ok Georgy Porgy: i'm going too rich-c: OK - good night then. all Pamela: Rich, we'll have to continue this conversation next week Georgy Porgy: nite alll Pamela: Good night Dad, will call tomorrow - or you call me rich-c: OK Pam Pamela: Sweet dreams Daddy rich-c: colour me gone
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Georgy Porgy left chat session Pamela: Are you for bed then Rich? Dr.D.: Nobody watches Enterprise today thinking that they can be an astronaut. Dr.D.: Got distracted by Christina, had to find something for her. Dr.D.: But I watched TOS thinking that I could, or my kids could. Dr.D.: Now, ha, even my grandkids won't be in space... Pamela: 'salright. I don't know if the space program is the focus anyway Pamela: interesting - Russell thinks that we'll see a Mars landing in our lifetime Dr.D.: There's always hope...it would be TV I'd watch 24/7. Pamela: A lot will depend on whether we can develop technology . . . Pamela: capable of going the distance, or somehow "folding" space Pamela: because otherwise a one way trip will be up to a year in length Dr.D.: We could go right now, today...if we just chose not to spend $$$ on the Enrons of the world, or sabre-rattling at Saddam. Pamela: but the key is being able to land on the planet, do the research and be able to get back Pamela: I don't think we're capable of that just yet Pamela: IMHO, spending is going to the wrong things anyway Dr.D.: I'm all morose over PJ tonight, I'm not making much sense in conversation. Pamela: and why are we spending $ on space programs when we can't feed teh people we have? Pamela: I know - Dad actually told me about PJ tonite on the phone Dr.D.: I say why are we spending money on people who can't stop having people they can't feed... Pamela: well that's part of it, but that's where religion comes into it Pamela: or at least some religions Dr.D.: God has better things to worry about than the things that religious people (self-proclaimed) seem to want to worry about. Pamela: how do you convince them that the Church teachings are wrong? Pamela: well you know that, and I know that - but we are not being led around by our Gods Dr.D.: I'm an elitist, I think that there are some people who can't be taught :-) Pamela: I can't argue with that statment Pamela: the world would be a better place if people could only be taught to think fo rthem selves Dr.D.: Humans in aggregate still seem to be pretty dumb. Dr.D.: Even if individual humans show promise. Pamela: tell me about it. There are examples all over the place, all the time Pamela: The older I get, the less tolerant I am of general stupidity Pamela: it's sad, but it's tru Pamela: e Pamela: but that leads into all sorts of side issues Dr.D.: Things that were survival skills in the past are not survival skills now for the long term. Dr.D.: Humans act as if resources and space are unlimited, and growth can solve all problems. Dr.D.: There now are no new valleys over the horizon, so we're stuck with what we have. Pamela: disassociation is a large part of it too - "it's not my problem" Dr.D.: Continued growth will just use everything up, even if a particular person doesn't live long enough to see it. Dr.D.: Sigh. Dr.D.: I'm thinking that I'll be one of the ones to live long enough to see it. Pamela: How does one convince people of that though> Dr.D.: Not until it's actually gone. Dr.D.: People won't believe until they have to live it. Pamela: And then they'll run around saying "why did n't you tell us?" Pamela: and they'll wonder why we're laughing Dr.D.: No laughs from me...getting too tired tonight. I think I should go to bed. Pamela: Probably a good idea - I'm starting to lose it too. I want to pursue this though - it's one of my soapboxes Dr.D.: Maybe next time? Pamela: oh, absolutely Pamela: I want to see what comments pop from other quarters Dr.D.: Okay, next Wednesday, then. My grading should be done by then... Dr.D.: So, good night! Pamela: will you get some sleep between now and then? Dr.D.: Yes...though Egg Hunt is this Saturday, and lab notebooks to grade starting Tuesday afternoon. Pamela: sleep Sunday - all day Sunday. Have a great time on Saturday. I'll see you next week. Dr.D.: Sleep...it beckons... Dr.D.: Good night, Pam. Pamela: g'nite
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