Daniel Bienvenu: errr... somebody home? Daniel Bienvenu: well, maybe it's tonight! see ya!
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changed username to Guy B. rich-c: hello Guy, you're early rich-c: snowing there in Chicago too?
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changed username to Annus_Novus rich-c: I thought all teh bowl games wre yesterday? rich-c: hi Rich Guy B.: Got a dusting. The heaviest went south. Annus_Novus: Qui? rich-c: ours is just starting, but I'll bet Cleveland is getting lots of lake effect Guy B.: Oh no. Orange Bowl now. The Fiesta Bowl is tomorrow night for the National Championship. Miami vs. Ohio State. Guy B.: HI Dr. D. Annus_Novus: So much for Latin tonight. Guy B.: Cleveland was the giveaway. Annus_Novus: Looks like everyone forgot about the rescheduled chat, too. rich-c: I'll take your word for it. Here, the Vanier Cup was the same weekend as the Grey Cup rich-c: you're just the only one likely to use a Latin handle among the regulars Annus_Novus: Sleet this morning, snow this afternoon. Very bad motoring.
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changed username to Princess rich-c: Snow driving is like having arthritis - never do anything suddenly Guy B.: We got lucky and only got a dusting. Everyone downstate, Indiana got the snow. rich-c: hi Rin Annus_Novus: As you wiiiiisssshhhhh..... Princess: Happy New Year!!!!! Guy B.: HI Rin, Happy New Year. rich-c: and the same to you and the family Princess: Am I becoming that obvious with the nick names? Annus_Novus: Join the club...they find me out right away, too. Princess: LOL rich-c: well, since hardly anyone else uses them, yes Princess: the price we pay for being creative rich-c: we're used to Dr. D and Ron, who have their own pattern Annus_Novus: Gotta try something mundane... Princess: now I guess that would be a challenge Annus_Novus: ...maybe NinaRox37 or tom99234 Guy B.: I'm happy to report that my Dell is here in my apartment. I set it up in the kitchen with a external fax/modem hooked up. Not yet installed the drivers. Have a 25 foot crossover cable across my floor to my Athlon for the network which I hope to have up this weekend. The Dell does work just fine. rich-c: Rin, is there any chance you could talk your mother into emptying her email box more often? Princess: i dunno......she's been pretty good lately.....considering Princess: we are also not given a lot of space rich-c: oh, this is the computer that you won in the dcdraw at work, Guy? Guy B.: Yes, that's the one. Went up there Monday and picked it up. rich-c: I think thre are ways of configuring the account so the spam doesnt get put in Annus_Novus: I've been trying to back up a robot lab system prior to a trial installation of MacOS X 10.2..Apple are now selling machines that won't boot native MacOS 9.x, which currently our robot lab hardware needs to run...it will be problematic if I can't find a work-around. Annus_Novus: Curse them for dropping the trusty RS-232 serial port. Guy B.: That's all you need Dr. D. A computer whose newest OS won't work with the robots.
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changed username to FredK Annus_Novus: The software itself runs under the 9.x compatibility box, but from there it hasn't yet been able to talk to a USB-to-serial converter. FredK: Hi all, HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL THE BEST TO ALL Guy B.: Hi Fred, glad you made it. rich-c: Oh dear - my cursor crony in Arizona just got a new iMac today - 800 mhz G4, 256 RAM, 80 gig HD, 17" screen, Superdrive Annus_Novus: Hi Fred...are you the Fred(erick) who sent me E-mail today about SmartBASIC 1.x? FredK: Guy glad yr there too, I was made aware just shortly about the chat FredK: Yes rich-c: Salut, Fred! Vous avez recu mon message? Guy B.: Dr. D. is there a way that two OS's can run on the Apple or is that impossible to do? FredK: hope its o.k.
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changed username to DSlopsema Annus_Novus: E-mail is fine, Fred! Guy B.: Hi Doug DSlopsema: hello everyone Guy B.: Where's Meeka? Annus_Novus: Well, a bunch of people run Virtual PC on their Macs to do Windows stuff. rich-c: hey Doug, welcome - where's the folks? Annus_Novus: Not me, I don't do enough Windows stuff to be worth the $$$ of VPC. Guy B.: I've heard of that program for the Macs. Annus_Novus: Hello Doug. DSlopsema: talking on the phone in the kitchen, guy. working on getting internet sharing back up, rich. rich-c: Dr.D., the new iMacs do come with OS X 10.2 and the legacy OS, is that it? Annus_Novus: Last time I tried to actually use it (my boss wanted to run some of my modelling code on VPC on his Powerbook), the software died because of floating-point errors. Seems the FPU emulation is not exactly the same behavior as a real x87 coprocessor unit. Annus_Novus: My code would die because the emulated version gave "not a number" values (an illegal binary pattern for a calculation result, "this error should not occur" sort of thing), while a real x86 would crunch happily along. Annus_Novus: MacOS X comes with 9.2.1 as a "Classic" mode--it runs as its own window, rather like a DOS box in Windows. rich-c: OK, then he will be able to run his old software if he needs to Guy B.: USC attempted a field goal. No good Iowa still leads 10-7. 2nd Qtr. Annus_Novus: But there is no support for certain older Mac hardware...like an RS-232 serial port, or the Apple Desktop Bus, or the floppy drive. Annus_Novus: USB, FireWire, IDE, or nothing, now. Annus_Novus: No SCSI support, either. Annus_Novus: Anybody else look at Daniel's demo? Guy B.: Figures that Apple would not support those older devices. Might come back to haunt them later. Annus_Novus: Gives me a headache, unfortunately... rich-c: Iguess if the older programs haven't heard of the new output methods, there could be a problem, then? Annus_Novus: Yep, that's the problem with the robot software. It wants a Mac serial port...which is no more. Annus_Novus: Under MacOS 9.x, a USB-to-serial converter will work (fake out the software to use the USB port as if it's a serial port). Annus_Novus: But only if you booted under native OS 9.x. rich-c: there are physical adapters that will change a USB port to classic serial - I gather that won't work? Guy B.: I guess your only choice is using an older OS that will work with the serial ports. Annus_Novus: Under X, and the compatibility 9.x box, the device remapping doesn't seem to work: it can't use the USB-to-serial converter. Annus_Novus: At least it didn't when I first tried it with MacOS X 10.0 when we got our 3 iMacs last year. Annus_Novus: I was hoping that 10.2 "Jaguar" might have fixed that. rich-c: does that mean it didn't? Annus_Novus: Won't know until I get 10.2 installed on one machine... Annus_Novus: I have to back up 35 GB of data on the existing HD drive before wiping it and installing 10.2. rich-c: that should keep you amused for a few minutes Annus_Novus: Today I was having trouble finding 35 GB empty somewhere to do the backup...and then I had a disk crash. Guy B.: Whoa, I can see how long that will take you to do. rich-c: I doubt I will live long enough to ever have 35 gig of files Annus_Novus: Tried a network backup to my desktop machine, which has an external 120 GB FireWire drive on it...the network died, and it trashed part of the disk. Norton recovered from it, but it was 2 hours downtime...and then it was time to go home. Annus_Novus: If you do anything with digital video, you will. Annus_Novus: I finished digitizing the Egg Hunt videos last week, 2 hr 15 min of VHS video tape. rich-c: agreed, but digital video is not in my forecast Annus_Novus: That becomes 30 GB of digital video. Guy B.: Speaking of backups, a friend of mine today was telling me that all her files got corrupted on her computer and she didn't have a backup. Now she has to do everything she had all over again. Annus_Novus: I shrank it down to about 5 GB of QuickTime movies, 160x120. FredK: dido Annus_Novus: Then ran them through RealProducer to get the RealPlayer files to stream from our RealServer...each 10 minutes ends up as about 20 MB of RealPlayer files. rich-c: Guy, if they got corrupted, would she not have a chance of rcovering them? Annus_Novus: BTW, if you all would like to watch the most recent robot Egg Hunt (14 December 2002), then go to Guy B.: And it wasn't her fault. Seems her work doesn't have a network drive that she can save her files to and have it backed up every night. Fortunately, my work does. Annus_Novus: http://www.eecs.cwru.edu/courses/lego375/video/video_f02/ Annus_Novus: From there are also links to photos of the Fall 2002 robots. Guy B.: Her IT dept said they couldn't. Annus_Novus: Including one named "Dobby" :-) rich-c: OK, I found out how to copy urls from chat - got it now rich-c: wonder if that's a bad machine or a feeble IT department? rich-c: bet Doug has a (tactful) speculation on that Annus_Novus: I could E-mail everyone on coladam-list with the URLs, but the lurker types might complain that it's way off-topic. Annus_Novus: I did get Dale to unsubscribe the 2 most recent wanters-off-the-list. DSlopsema: actually rich, there is a 3rd choice. If the IT department is anything like ours, we do our best to back up as much as possible, but due to limited budget, we have to put a limit somewhere. rich-c: we're hoping Dale shows up tonight so Fred can get on it Annus_Novus: We need better list software! rich-c: I think you're right, Rich Annus_Novus: It has to work unattended, because the current list admin is too busy. rich-c: Doug, I was just wondering about recovering corrupted files - that can be done FredK: Rich-C Btw went quickly on home page to make the request Annus_Novus: And it has to be members-only...and it ought to prohibit all attachments. DSlopsema: depends on where they reside and how they got corrupted. Annus_Novus: adamcon.org still lists Dale as firstname.lastname@example.org; I thought home.com went verflixt a year or more ago. rich-c: you are right - home.com is no more DSlopsema: if they reside on the local hard drive and the partition is readable, you are probably out of luck. Guy B.: My friend had her files on the hard drive. Annus_Novus: None of Dale's pages have a current E-mail address for him. rich-c: it has been replaced by rogers.com or shaw.ca, depending on where you live
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changed username to Murray Annus_Novus: Even if you know that he works at Open Graphics, his bio blurb there doesn't list his E-mail address. Annus_Novus: Happy New Year, Murray! Guy B.: Just as I thought. I have her asked her IT dept if they have a network drive that she can save the files to and have it backed up. Guy B.: Murray, Happy New Year! rich-c: well hello Murray - you home now or are we hearing from the Amazon? Murray: Happy New Year all Annus_Novus: email@example.com :-) Murray: Hi rich-c: i'm home on the farm rich-c: furlough or is the research over? Annus_Novus: Hopefully not malaria... Murray: exactly a_n rich-c: that's teh problem with you TTs - never enough gin and tonic ;-) Murray: the research is over didn't catch anything got bit by an insect...no problens according to the nurse Annus_Novus: Oops, make that firstname.lastname@example.org...I never could remember how many syllables there were in that name. Annus_Novus: yanomamo, I can type...urgh.
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changed username to Pamela Annus_Novus: Well, more URLs that you folks might be interested in: rich-c: hi daughter Guy B.: HI Pam, you made it. Princess: Pammie!!! Pamela: Hi, yes I made it FredK: Hi Pam! Pamela: Rich, why are you hiding behind the new year? rich-c: now all we need is Ron and the senior Slopsemas Pamela: Hi, Fred Pamela: Hi, Rin
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changed username to Ron Pamela: Hi, Ron rich-c: hello Ron Guy B.: Hi Ron. FredK: Hi Ron! DSlopsema: hi ron rich-c: finally got the wires out of the water, did they? Annus_Novus: Ave Ronnus. Murray: rich-c I don't plan on doing much for the time being...I may be off to Korea again though rich-c: that is a bit of a dicey destination at present, I'd suggest Pamela: wow, I just realized how huge this monitor is
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changed username to Judy rich-c: yes, if you go put a lot of Canadian flags on your haberdashery! Pamela: he got MechWarrior 4 and has been having a great time Annus_Novus: Hi Judy. rich-c: hello Judy and happy new year Pamela: HI, Judy Guy B.: Can see better with it now Pam?
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changed username to Meeka Guy B.: Hi Judy, Happy New Year. Got my Dell up. Pamela: almost too well Guy - I'm thinking I need to take off my glasses Meeka: Hello Annus_Novus: Pam, seen HP2 and LOTR:TT yet? Guy B.: Hi Meeka DSlopsema: whoohoo wireless works at the folks house :) BobS: AH HA we is HERE Pamela: HI Bob, and Meeka BobS: finally!!!!!! Judy: Happy New Year to you, also Meeka: yes, he I is BobS: and son't ask how either rich-c: hello Meeka, see the old man finally let you on :-) Pamela: saw HP:2 on Monday - was gut! Guy B.: And I'm about to get one up here myself. FredK: Hi Bob BobS: Douglas.....haven' the faintest idea why now....... Guy B.: Hi Bob, didn't see there until now. rich-c: whoops! hi Bob, where did you pop from Judy: we finally got me back up and running BobS: maybe sp0ecific card...or just got sick of us cussin at them DSlopsema: internet connection sharing in '98 appears to have to have intranet card active when your computer boots. Pamela: my vote would be for the cussin, Bob Murray: Guy Are you working on anything new for 2003? BobS: hi ALL.....too many to name here.........how ya'll IS ??????? Pamela: we're good, Bob Annus_Novus: Swearing at computers only makes them more recalcitrant. I told this to Herman and George all the time, but they never would listen. Pamela: hey Dad, did you notice it's snowing? BobS: princess= Erin ???????
DSlopsema changed username to DougS rich-c: notice Murray is back among us, Bob? BobS: Annus......=Rich D???? Pamela: yes on all counts Bob Princess: it's a pet name I picked up recently.....Princess Lillibet Guy B.: Just getting a network up using a crossover cable. I'll finally get that update done for the Dcopy setup for Windows and I do plan to work on more setups this year. BobS: see tah, and WHY mUrray have you been absent of late ?????? SHAME Annus_Novus: Princess Lillibet...sounds like a MUSH character. rich-c: he was down saving the rainforest, dont you remember, Bob? Guy B.: USC kicked a field goal. All tied up at 10 approaching the end of the half. BobS: \AHSO Princess: MUSH? Pamela: who gave you the nickname, Rin? rich-c: well no, actually, that was the family pet name for the Queen in her youth Princess: a friend......*blush* Murray: Well Bob my computer has been fritzy and i'm still on slow connect here ... waiting for satellite speed??? Pamela: quit that, people will think you have something to blush about : ) BobS: Murray.....you are WHERE ???????? BobS: home or ??????? FredK: my arms are tied Princess: LOLOLOLOL Murray: I think things move faster, communication-wise, in Amazon
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changed username to Ron Murray: i'm home now Guy B.: Ron is back. BobS: and how was the jungle??????? rich-c: welcome back, Ron Ron: Good evening all! Pamela: having trouble Ron? BobS: YO Ronald, from the wetcoast Judy: hello Ron, Happy New year Ron: Hate it when Windows 98 is the only thing that works Guy B.: Bob, did you get any snow? Pamela: well, that's a switch rich-c: bet it's all that water has shorted his phone wirees FredK: Hi Ron!2 DougS: hey ron, are you giving all the computers you have equal attention? :) Murray: Happy New Year Ron Judy: not very much snow how about you Ron: How many of me are here? BobS: could be Guy Judy: one Ron rich-c: just one, Ron Ron: Happy New Year Murray. Guy B.: Just a dusting here. Thats it. BobS: and Guy !!!! what are you networkign together?????? Pamela: so Erin, where did you land on Tues evening - at the party? DougS: just 1 that i see. wondered if that's why you left, the imac needed attention? Judy: the storm has missed us Guy B.: The Athlon and my Dell I won from work. Princess: i went to the quiet get together Ron: May we all be well in 2003 BobS: hope so Annus_Novus: MUSH is a form of online Dungeons & Dragons game; it's an acronym for Multi-User Shared Hallucination. Judy: and we were glad had a white Christmas that is all we needed BobS: and what was the Dell again?????? Princess: ahhh Pamela: I'm not going to ask how quiet BobS: and DID you sell the old laptop???? Annus_Novus: It's a descendant of MUD (Multi-User Dungeon). Guy B.: Dell XPS/400 Pentium II rich-c: just looked out the window, -8C and a junior grade blizzard Murray: Sorry I have to run I'm losing my connection NAPPY NEW YEAR'S to all Princess: it wasn't that quiet....i met some of his friends and....parents Judy: bye Murrey Pamela: Daddy, SNOWING! Make it stop Annus_Novus: Bye Murray. Meeka: lol@Pam
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moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: good to see you Murray come back oon Pamela: For once we're getting dumped on and you guys are in the clear BobS: missed it the other night and now tonight WE ARE ON A ROLL Annus_Novus: Snow a-plenty on the North Coast tonight...I hope not too much more, or I will be a-shovelling. Ron: Here there's nothing but a continuous procession of Pacific disturbances approaching from ...... (you got it) Ron: the Pacific BobS: you canadians can have it ALL, we don't need it Pamela: take two, Bob - they're cheap Ron: Weather here most frequently approaches from the west Ron: We send it east rich-c: well, normally we send it about 40 miles north for the ski resorts, but I guess they have their quota tonight Annus_Novus: Nice alliteration there, Ron, all those bilabials: "procession of Pacific Disturbances approaching". BobS: tha's what you get for living on the very edge of the continent Ron: I know. Gotta do something about that Guy B.: We might get another one on Saturday. Might be a 1 to 3 incher. Will know more later.
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changed username to Scott FredK: Hollywood stars pay 5grand for snow lasts few hours... Pamela: well, now that you mention it . . . Pamela: Hey, Scott Guy B.: Hi Scott. Scott: Wow! Judy: you are going to have a hard time changing that Ron rich-c: well hello Scott Scott: Look at all these people! Ron: only when the wind isn't blowing. Otherwise it's NOT a very nice Island BobS: hi Scott Annus_Novus: Gee, everyone has turned up tonight...guess we need James and Daniel to round it all out. Judy: hi, Scott rich-c: hey, you should have been a few minutes earlier - Murray just left Scott: Bob - The ADAM Resource is back up. FredK: Hi Scott BobS: SCOTT website plwease Scott: Hi Annus_Novus: And Dale/Jillian. Pamela: we're missing Jillian too Guy B.: We have 12 of us tonight Scott: Hi all. Ron: Scott, my son! Scott: Yo, Ron. rich-c: and, you should pardon teh expression, George Pamela: you are not pardoned Ron: May the Force be with you Scott: Ron, awhile back didn't you say you needed a new power supply for your harddisk? Pamela: maybe I scared him off last week : ) Ron: Finally got to seeing Attack of the Clones whilst in Edmonton BobS: but correct anyway Richard Judy: why what did you do to him, Pam? Guy B.: Halftime at the Orange Bowl. USC and Iowa tied at 10. Scott: My dad gave me two boxes of brand new power supplies. Ron: yes Scott, but Doug fixed that for me at ADAMCON last Ron: Thanks to Mr. Slopsema Jr. All is now well BobS: well, we took a small computer ps and rewired it to fit his disk drive Scott: Good. My mind obviously was elsewhere. My apologies. Pamela: ooo, Judy - it was great - I got down and dirty with him - he made a remark that fell into my soapbox, and I was off and running. Ron: yup Annus_Novus: Yeah, the chat log from last week after everyone but me and Pam and George had left is an interesting read (if it ever gets posted). Ron: not a problem sir BobS: was there.......dont' member what you did........... Annus_Novus: George was a bit, shall we say, out there... Ron: you've been learning great things Judy: sorry I missed it!!! BobS: so, i had done left eh????? Pamela: problem was, he wasn't thinking about what he was saying to me BobS: WHOOPS ?????? Pamela: if he'd thought about what I asked him, and answered appropriately, I would have left him alone. Judy: what did he say to you? FredK: lolà rich-c: you didnt tell me about this, daughter Ron: On an item of serious concern folks....... Annus_Novus: No, it was a train wreck, not pretty. Pamela: you were there, Dad Ron: Is there any way we can do something about updating the ADAM list more frequently? Ron: Need Dale here BobS: ya jump all OVER Dale Annus_Novus: I mentioned earlier, Ron, that I'd gotten Dale to remove the 2 most recent folks who wanted off. Scott: Is Dale still alive? BobS: I am assuming that you are gettign the list Ron.......still through my forwarding ?????? Ron: good BobS: OR did dale get you on???? rich-c: there are rumours to that effect, Scott Annus_Novus: Yes, I had confirming E-mail from him today, about the 2 unsubscribes. Guy B.: I've ended up telling Luke and Nick to which address to get them unsubscribed. Now, they are telling us about the viruses. Ron: No, I'm back on. Dale did fix me after last AC Annus_Novus: The unsubscribe address apparently was bouncing. BobS: love taht boy, but he is TOO busy Ron: take it it's not the standard majordomo thing rich-c: no it wasnt they wre using list instead of admin rich-c: thats why we got to see the emails BobS: now, this virus thigy.................
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changed username to Daniel Bienvenu Guy B.: I think we should have someone else to handle the list when Dale can't do it. Daniel Bienvenu: YES! I'M ONLINE! rich-c: hello Daniel, we wre missing you Scott: Daniel! Thanks for the ROM Guy B.: Hi Daniel Scott: and extras! Ron: email@example.com Pamela: Daniel - my beardless friend - bienvenu! BobS: I haven't bee caught by any I don't think.......and no cheker 'cept that no messages are opened unless I do it and I deltet all I don't know Daniel Bienvenu: soory my computer crash so i didn't know if i will be able to connect Scott: Any new games in development? Judy: hello Daniel Ron: nope Annus_Novus: The list is small, it wouldn't be a problem even for the "unsubscribes" to go out to the list, if Dale just read/kept up with the list traffic every day. FredK: Salut Dan Bonne et heureuse année! Ron: firstname.lastname@example.org Annus_Novus: But he told me at ADAMcon that he gets 500 E-mails per day... Daniel Bienvenu: Oh! c'est vrai! mes souhaits du nouvel an... Ron: that would explain a few things Scott: Ugghh... Can't read French... Daniel Bienvenu: Je souhaite à tous santé, paix, amour, bonheur, prospérité en cette nouvelle année 2003. Pamela: merci beaucoup, Daniel Princess: thx Daniel rich-c: nous vous remerci, Daniel Ron: merci Daniel et la meme a toi Ron: sans accents Scott: Daniel - Estas escribiendo un juego nuevo? Daniel Bienvenu: merci! FredK: Merci Dan! Pamela: how can you tell the Canucks in the bunch? Ron: eh? rich-c: there are ways to achieve that too, Ron - get Daniel into one of the side rooms and he cqan explain it to you Pamela: lol, Ron BobS: be da weight dey speek french Ron: I know. Chalk it up to pure laziness rich-c: Bob, did you say you don't run an anti-virus? Why not? Annus_Novus: I can piece out most of what Daniel said via etymologies...but it's "decipherment" rather than "translation". Pamela: Scott, pienso que Daniel no habla Espanol Daniel Bienvenu: jeugo nuevo? ... no new coleco game project for now.. just doing screen tests and also continuing the Jeepers Creepers project. BobS: too lazy to buy it and update it Pamela: or I could be wrong Scott: Pamela, pero possiblimente puede entender unas palabras... FredK: Dast ist Wahr! Ron: Ok. So is it possible to load a ROM file into a real ADAM? BobS: haven't had a problem cept for a Klez instance on 1 laptop only Annus_Novus: I'm actually running head-first into the difference between those 2 terms as I am digging around in the ADAMnet keyboard firmware. rich-c: don't buy, download - www.grisoft.com Pamela: si, es posible Ron: like....doing GameCopy in reverse? Daniel Bienvenu: good question... i don't know if the rom works Scott: Possiblemente necesito aprender un poco de Frances! Ron: well I shall have to have a go Scott: Daniel - I am working on a ColecoVision cartridge
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left chat session Pamela: okay Scott, I'm at the limit of my vocab now Ron: do ROM files boot from block 0? Scott: We are manufacturing plastic casings for new games. Annus_Novus: Ron, if you have XRAM and the software to load the ROM image into the high 32K of XRAM, then swap in the OS-7 ROM in the low 32K, it will work. Just like all the games Herman used to have run off his hard drive system. Pamela: It's been a long time since I've spoken that much spanish Daniel Bienvenu: Colecovision games start address is 8000 : but the bios OS7 start at 0000 Scott: True, you need the OS-7 in the lower 32K bank. The game starts at $8000 Pamela: but you're right Ron: hmmmm....(that's easy for you to say) .... but I might have the required software Scott: Programmers only have 1K of RAM to play with :( Annus_Novus: People wrote ADAM software, Daniel, that could save a bunch of ROM images on disk, then load them into expansion RAM (if you had a 64K expander) and run them, all from a boot-loaded menu program. Ron: there used to be a time when that was more than adequate Scott Scott: But there's a little over 2K of VRAM that can be utilized for these purposes... Daniel Bienvenu: And it's not a full 1K RAM because coleco bios use this RAM too Pamela: Okay, I don't speak this language! Princess: LOL Pamela: it's all geek to me Meeka: lol Pam, I don't either Judy: the computer talk, Pam rich-c: problems with Academic Geek? Pamela: si, senor Annus_Novus: Ash nazg durbatulk... FredK: Rom image needs a Bsave correct? Pamela: bless you Judy: me too!!!!!!! Ron: I understand in theory only Annus_Novus: Ash nazg gimbatul... Pamela: gesundheit Annus_Novus: Ash nazg thrakatulk Scott: I am rediscovering all about compact programming. Annus_Novus: Agh burzum-ishi krimpatul! Pamela: is that elvish, Rich? Ron: Like I said, I'm transferring RAM from my head to the Duron Ron: pretty soon the Duron will have it all Scott: Estoy viendo los Espedientes Equis! Pamela: you need a Remembrall, Ron Annus_Novus: "None has ever dared to utter that tongue here in our chat!" said Elrond. Scott: X Files! Princess: LOLOLOLOLOLOL Daniel Bienvenu: "compact programming" it's funny! i was thinking it's optimizing! Princess: Mordor Annus_Novus: It's the Black Speech of Mordor. Scott: Or doing more with less... Guy B.: I'm back Pamela: I have to see these movies Annus_Novus: Yes you must. Judy: welcome, Guy Guy B.: Lost the rest of the text. I'll be back.
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changed username to Guy B. rich-c: guess what? I actually bought a movie on VHS this week Pamela: lotsa people having problems tonite Guy B.: I have returned. Pamela: you did WHAT????? Scott: Too bad you're not interested in releasing a new Coleco game. Scott: Dan Annus_Novus: "This Is CINERAMA!" Pamela: sorry, I'm a little shocked. What did you buy? rich-c: Tora Tora Tora Scott: We are almost ready to start manufacturing new games. Ron: Understand about half - between the geek and the mythology Scott: :( Pamela: whazzat? Guy B.: Boy, I would love to see new games for the Adam again. rich-c: remembered it was interesting when I saw it first, and it was cheap - under $5 Annus_Novus: I should give you the image of my Win2K for ColecoVision ROM, Scott. Annus_Novus: Ask Ron about that one :-) Scott: Sorry, new ColecoVision games. Pamela: got it at the cash converters? Daniel Bienvenu: Scott : it's not because i'm not interested but gooddealgame promise to release the new games made by marcelde kogel and it didn't happend Scott: Hmmm, sounds interesting Annus Ron: yeah Scott: Not true rich-c: no, Zellers Meeka: ok, gonna go make som etea, be back in a bit Scott: Actually Marcel got into a car accident Judy: you are making it hard on me tonight, can't tell if it is the new glasses or the foreign languages rich-c: he WHAT? Scott: We lost contact with him for several months Pamela: mmm, some for me too please (send heat!) Ron: etea? Annus_Novus: What you always wanted for your ColecoVision, a genuine Blue Screen of Death, complete with Z80 register dump. BobS: OUCH and he is alright?????? Scott: He's been in physical therapy for awhile. Judy: make me some too, will you Daniel Bienvenu: Scott: That's terrible! Scott: Couldn't even touch a keyboard. Ron: right...... a true touch of genius it was rich-c: that is a disaster Meeka: ok will do :-) Annus_Novus: Marcel, this is? Scott: I have a near complete ROM of Cosmo Fighter 3 Pamela: ty Scott: But this was before his accident. Daniel Bienvenu: But he didn't give you the rom to burn during all the "FIND A NAME FOR THIS GAME" contest? Judy: I am warm, have the fireplace going and the computer on my lap Pamela: that will do it Judy Ron: sounds cool Judy Pamela: 'specially the laptop Scott: But the game for the "Name the Game" contest was early. Scott: It wasn't very far along at all. Guy B.: And I have a warm floor that my feet are feeling right now. Scott: Cosmo Fighter is near complete. Pamela: Rin, while I think of it, go to the Stratford website and check out this year's offerings Scott: We also ran into trouble on the manufacturing end. Pamela: Let me know what you think Princess: okie dokie Ron: my sub-basement heating device functions normally Princess: what's the website? Scott: But now the casings will be manufactured in Brazil by Eduardo Mello. Ron: producing heat around my knees. The rest of me needs a sweater Pamela: www.stratfordfestival.ca (I think) - hang on, I'll check Scott: He's the guy who's just finished porting Space Invaders I&II for the ColecoVision rich-c: electric fan heater, Ron? Judy: better than a couple of weeks ago, you were really cold, Guy Ron: ya Pamela: yup, that's right Ron: My dear father (God rest his soul) saw no need for heating ducts in the basement Scott: So, all we need is the final ROM from Marcel. Ron: Will speak to him about that some day rich-c: better get in the habit of long johns, Ron Pamela: not too soon, Ron Scott: However, he may just tell us to go ahead with what we have. Princess: It won't let me go there right now rich-c: the help keep old bones from complaining too much Scott: Still there, Dan? Guy B.: Right around Thanksgiving is when the furnace went out. Much better when the new one came on and no problems since. Ron: Oh no, when I get there - if'n I get there Pamela: just wanted to mention it while I thought of it Daniel Bienvenu: Scott : And you will release the carts at the next PC, I'm right? Daniel Bienvenu: I'm here! Scott: At the next PC? Do you mean next convention? Pamela: Daniel, what prompted your shearing? Judy: was more than a couple of weeks than Scott: Like Classic Gaming Expo? Scott: Or ADAMCon? Annus_Novus: I will have to grab you some screen shots of Win2K/ColecoVision. Guy B.: A month ago actually. rich-c: Scott, you got my email about the website? Annus_Novus: It's just a silly hack. Annus_Novus: But entertaining. Daniel Bienvenu: GoodDealGame was at the phillyclassic last year so i suppose you want to release new coleco game at the phillyclassic.. it's in march i think Scott: Yes, Rich. But my pricing guide is older than I thought. Judy: time flys doesn't it? Ron: (Ron breaks open a fresh Diet Coke) rich-c: that's OK it hasnt changed since 1990 Scott: I think that Mike wants to go into manufacturing this month. Scott: So it's ok to use the old pricing guide? Guy B.: Yep, I've added a humidfier which helps a lot. rich-c: I was more concerned with the other stuff, actually Scott: Just to be safe, why don't you send me docs of your latest and greatest. Annus_Novus: (Rich pulls a bottle of New Coke from the temperature-controlled vault) rich-c: yes sure, and do you want the additions? Daniel Bienvenu: I have no NEW game ready but John Donzila stoped to distribute my dacman game. Ron: :) (slurp) rich-c: I can even provide photos if they're any use Scott: Didn't you write Star Fortress? Daniel Bienvenu: John write Star Fortress Scott: Or was that another guy?
(Guy B. gives Pamela a can of Diet Coke.) Scott: Oh, I remember! Scott: You did the Halloween demo. Scott: I really liked it. Scott: I would love to see a full length game from this. Ron: In a parallel universe, ADAM prevailed over all other hardware Daniel Bienvenu: Oh! I remember.. i still have a new game to release : Gamepack. I release only 14 carts because i didn't have enough materials to build more. Scott: A "Haunted House" style games. Ron: we are the only ones who can see it Daniel Bienvenu: Halloween.. : Jeepers Creepers is the FULL version and it's not ready yet Scott: I have a version and it looked like the only game scenario is the graveyard game. Scott: Can't remember, wasn't this less than 16K? Scott: We could help you get your works manufactured. Annus_Novus: Has anyone ever made sprite/graphics changes to existing games? It seems that lots of people have done that to Atari 2600 games. Scott: If you are interested. Daniel Bienvenu: like i said Jeepers Creepers is not ready yet. still have things to do. I started this project in 2001 and I fixed a bug last year.. and now i have to modify the end Scott: Yes. Scott: Someone did a hack of Venture. Scott: Released Venture II. Scott: But really only a hack. Daniel Bienvenu: it was an atari game i think Annus_Novus: I always wanted to do something to "Smurf Rescue", the sprites are big. Scott: Sounds great, Annus. Scott: Except we don't have the rights to Smurfs. Annus_Novus: If anyone wants to do it to Pitfall...I have complete re-assemblable code for it. Scott: But it would be a heck of a lot of fun, wouldn't it? Scott: I think I came across that too. Annus_Novus: Some of my TWWMCA articles talk about it. Scott: Hmmm. Annus_Novus: I found some unused sound effects. Scott: That would be useful for me. Scott: Any way that you could send me the source code? Scott: I wonder if this would be suitable to put on The ADAM Resource website. Ron: When you guys get into a project like this, do you actually disassemble the original, or do you kinda eyeball what you see and attempt to duplicate it? Annus_Novus: The code is fully resolved, i.e., you can insert a NOP after the first executable statement (shifting everything else down by one byte) and it assembles and runs just fine. rich-c: Scott, appropriate docs are on the way to you now Daniel Bienvenu: Ha-Ah! Annus-Nurvus is ... ok ok Daniel Bienvenu: 11 Daniel Bienvenu: i got a timeout! Daniel Bienvenu: i still here Annus_Novus: Yes, I can send you the code...might even be on my apk.net server space. Let me look. Scott: Annus - are you the one and only doc?
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changed username to Pamela Pamela: sorry folks, I blew a fuse BobS: get hurt??????? Ron: Pamela, you have to watch that kind of thing BobS: I mean when the thing blew up Pamela: nope, nothing 'cept my pride Scott: What a bummer. Pamela: was stupid - I know better than to try and run the heater on this circuit rich-c: is your new monitor drawing that much? Pamela: scared the heck out of me at first - thought it was a power failure Annus_Novus: It's Rich Drushel, Scott, yes :-) Scott: Didn't know that until a few seconds ago. Pamela: no, it's not the monitor Dad - I was running the space heater on the wrong circuit Daniel Bienvenu: So i have something to say Annus_Novus: haha fooled someone tonight, at last. Annus_Novus: Everyone else spotted me right away. Ron: space heaters will do that to ya Daniel Bienvenu: Annus Novus : coleco bios, did you .... ? rich-c: Scott, the docs should be in your mailbox now Scott: Ron, yes, I disassemble existing code to see how it works, but I mostly write original code Scott: Thanks, Rich. Pamela: the way our apartment is wired is weird Ron - all the plugs and lights for the two bedrooms, bathroom, two walk in closets, vanity and one wall of the living room are all on one circuit rich-c: just let me know about the other topics so I can get moving on them if necessary Pamela: one of our plugs has it's own circuit - nothing on it but that plug Ron: Tried that several times years ago..... only in a few instances did I have any idea what I was looking at Ron: but then I'm a little shy on training Scott: It's exciting stuff. Pamela: is it just me or is it getting colder in here? Scott: I have been disassembling OS-7 routines. Scott: It's really fascinating. rich-c: well, it's cold and windy out, Pam Scott: But I am also still learning as I am going... Pamela: aw, I'm just missing the heater Dad rich-c: and if I recall your windows arent models of insulating value Scott: Dan knows much more than I... Ron: needed to spend more time at it Pamela: you can say that again BobS: tha's what ya get for living in the "cold zone" Scott: Remember my ADAM demo at ADAMCon 4? Ron: only know a few of the nmemonics Daniel Bienvenu: Me? Meeka: ok, back agian, took a while to heat ALL that water, but have hot tea for all Annus_Novus: Scott, here's the URL for the Pitfall source code: Daniel Bienvenu: knowing more than you? Scott: I have most of that code working in ColecoVision format. Annus_Novus: http://junior.apk.net/~drushel/pub/coleco/files/pitfall/pitfall2.zip Daniel Bienvenu: in coleco bios? Daniel Bienvenu: it's not true! Pamela: ah, heat - thanks Meeka - now I really need it! Judy: what kind of tea is it? Meeka: spiced Pamela: yum Annus_Novus: It's *NOT* the Pitfall II game (despite the name); I just called it -2 to distinguish it. Scott: Dan, I've seen your work, very impressive! Scott: Thanks, doc. Scott: Another who knows far more than I. Annus_Novus: It's *NOT* the version that I modified to give infinite lives (though it's commented where to make the change to make yourself immortal). Daniel Bienvenu: yeah! but i simply use my imagination, my programming sklii and the coleco library by marcel de kogel. i didn't read the coleco bios informations. Annus_Novus: The source code is for the Z80ASM+ assembler...you may have to tweak it to support whatever assembler you're using. Daniel Bienvenu: sklii ? ..skill! Scott: I use TASM for assembly. Any recommendations on other compilers? Daniel Bienvenu: err.. What's up Doc? do you think i will have the coleco bios information this year? Scott: Dan - still dificult to figure out how the VDP works! Annus_Novus: I just unzipped it to take a look...man, the date is 1997.01.27...can it be 6 years ago already?!? Daniel Bienvenu: still difficult to figure out how the VDP works... for me too Scott: I had problems figuring out how exactly VDP registers 3 & 4 worked in Graphics Mode 2. Pamela: Erin, I started to say that Stratford has Taming of the Shrew, The King and I, Gigi, Electra, Agamemnon, Troilus and Cressida, Love's Labour's Lost and a few I've never heard of on the play list Princess: hmmmm Scott: Came across the answer on the web. Pamela: My vote is for Taming of the Shrew Scott: I couldn't have figured it out on my own. Daniel Bienvenu: Scott : i can't remember without reading a text file ... where is this text file? Scott: The TMS9918 manual is kind of lame in this respect. Princess: i dunno.....I have to look....but Shakepeeare is an absolute must Annus_Novus: SLR's Z80ASM+ is what I used, because that was what Tony Morehen had used for all his TDOS and HARDDISK source code...which has so many changes of local ORG for included code that gets LDIRed to other addresses, that there was no other way...I paid $150 to Jay Sage for a full registered copy waaayyy back when. Princess: Shakespeare Pamela: Graham Abbey is playing Petruchio Princess: there that's better Princess: ooooooooooooooooo Scott: Ouch! $150! Annus_Novus: Tony gave me his code, Z80ASM+ was the only way to deal with it. Princess: you know what I'm looking for Pamela: sorry, no sign of him this time Scott: I am thinking of writing my own assembler. Scott: Specifically for the ColecoVision. Princess: Graham Abbey works for me Scott: If I find some time to do it. Daniel Bienvenu: Scott: doing your own assembler? Pamela: we're going to have to work around the wedding and the convention though BobS: time??????? there is NO such thing...at least to spare.............. Scott: TASM is ok, but I need to integrate it into my developement environment that is written in Visual Basic. Princess: NP Annus_Novus: Yep...but it's super-fast and has lots of power. Daniel Bienvenu: I wanted to do a little basic compiler to do colecovision games but i stoped thinking about it. Scott: Dan - if I have time. Pamela: have you all started saving your pennies? Scott: It would be extremely useful. Princess: i'm trying to pay my bills...never mind save Annus_Novus: Well, take a look at the source listing and see how far off it is from the Z80 assembler you have. Ron: Should send you Dale's Express BASIC Compiler Daniel Bienvenu: doing a compiler gives me a headache Scott: Would like to also make it easy to port to the MSX and other z80 based systems. Ron: fits on a floppy Pamela: well, pay enough of them that you all can afford to come down and stay overnight rich-c: Bob, if you want the antivirus Guy uses, try www.free-av.com - the price is right Princess: that should be np...i hope Scott: Ron - need something in the Windows environment. Annus_Novus: Z80ASP+ is a CP/M program, so I run it under 22NICE (or Z80EMU) and then I have a DOS binary. Ron: understand Annus_Novus: Since I never burned it back to ROM, just played with it under the emulator, the binary file was enough. Pamela: give your $ to your Mom - mine seems to have rubbed off on her Guy B.: That is free and it's good. It caught a worm virus on my P133 back in November. Daniel Bienvenu: the only think i have done was a disassembler for CHIP-8. I didn't do the assembler. :( Scott: Will be working more in the C environment for game development later. Guy B.: USC is now leading 17-10 in the 3rd qtr. Pamela: Guy, what are you watching? Scott: I have developed a font design program using Visual Basic for 8X8 images, but am rewriting it from the ground up. Guy B.: The Orange Bowl. Annus_Novus: I just rediscovered the 6801 disassembler I wrote back in 1996, in QuickBASIC 4.5! Pamela: oh, okay rich-c: Guy, I have AVG on my laptop but for some reason it would not install on my Athlon Daniel Bienvenu: someone here can tell me if the result of the mickey.rom file is terrible or ok on a real coleco Guy B.: The Fiesta Bowl is tomorrow night. Daniel Bienvenu: ? Scott: It will be including the ability to draw Sprites, etc. and allow you to cut & paste the code into your programs. rich-c: so I put on Anti-Vir instead - how often do they update, any idea? Scott: Dan - I can try running it on my ADAMEm emulator and burn it to EEPROM later to see if it truly works. Annus_Novus: And of course I have the Z80 disassembler I wrote in SmartBASIC back in 1988 (and included on the SB1.x disk as 'unasmhex'). Guy B.: I would check every now and then. The last update was last week. Daniel Bienvenu: QuickBASIC 4.5 : the full version of QBASIC (with the compiler) I bought my copy in french version. not compatible with QLIBRARY made in english :( Ron: Will have to try it Daniel. I can transfer the ROM file onto a floppy and load it to the ADAM, but I'm not sure what I'm going to see - Unless I can figure out Annus_Novus: Arrgh, that is too bad, Daniel. Annus_Novus: QB4.5 is one of my very favorite development environments. Ron: what Annus_Novus told me further up.... re switching into a bank Annus_Novus: It's too bad that it is stuck inside 640K. Scott: Doc - too bad you have no interest in developing a MS-DOS or Unix based z80 compiler. Annus_Novus: They never made a version for Windows and extended memory. Judy: ok, now my water is hot Ron: I do have an ADAM here up and running with 3-1/2 inch floppy Annus_Novus: What do you mean, SmartBASIC-to-Z80? Daniel Bienvenu: QB4.5 .. i have done my first game in 256 colors : mystery .. it was simply a gme like the one it Tapper with all the rootbeer Pamela: everyone is drinking something hot - why am I drinking cranberry soda? Princess: i got Cola Annus_Novus: I'm sitting in a freeeezzzing basement....send me something hot, Pam. Ron: DietCoke Pamela: oh good, I feel better Guy B.: I have cold water. Pamela: something hot Pamela: sorry Rich, couldn't resist rich-c: I'm not drinking anything - and feeling I should be BobS: need an electric heater rich Ron: brb Scott: Like a freeware z80 assembler for any system with enhancements specifically for Coleco and ADAM. Daniel Bienvenu: They stoped doing the quickbasic to do another basic (i can't remeber the name). The Visual Basic project started a few months after QuickBasic was released. Scott: Is there any interest that these cartridge releases are also made available for Coleco ADAM owners on disk/DDP? Daniel Bienvenu: freeware z80 assembler? Daniel Bienvenu: TASM Scott: I think there would be too much piracy. Daniel Bienvenu: ZAS in hi-tech c compiler Annus_Novus: With the proper boot loader (and assuming that the purchaser has XRAM), it certainly would work. Scott: Yes, TASM is ok, and it is what I use, but I would like it to do a lot more. Pamela: Erin, have you got snow? Princess: Tonnes Annus_Novus: But that would make it easier to dupe to a disk image for ADAMem. Pamela: more to the point, are you getting snow? Princess: it took me 45 minutes to get home rich-c: that's metric - 10% bigger than tons! Annus_Novus: Of course, it is trivial to dump the contents of a cart from an ADAM...I even have an SB1.x utility program to do it. Pamela: I noticed that too, Dad Ron: I would be interested, Daniel, in acquiring whatever you create. What I actually use is another matter Scott: I'd like TASM to have a disassembler built in and recognize ColecoVision/ADAM function calls if a certain switch is included. Scott: Not that I don't like TASM. Ron: not really a gamesman Guy B.: I just got my weather forecast. You Candians in Ontario should be getting some snow and now that storm is heading to the northeast. Going to dump a lot there. Pamela: how long does it usually take, Rin? Annus_Novus: TASM=Turbo Assembler, from Borland? I have a TASM from them that is x86. Scott: Not at all. But there's a lot I would extend in it. Princess: 15-20 Pamela: ah Princess: Lou drove me.....didn't wanna make G take the trip Judy: glad it isn't us getting that stuff Daniel Bienvenu: Ron sayd "I would be interested, Daniel, in acquiring whatever you create" : :D Annus_Novus: What *I* would buy, Scott, in addition to anything new... Ron: I mean, if you're selling it, I'll buy it Ron: If you're giving it away, I'll take it Pamela: the less you're out in it, the better i'm thinking Daniel Bienvenu: Ron : do you have a Gamepack cartridge? Annus_Novus: ...would be a universal blank cartridge, board in a plastic shell, a single 32K EPROM socket. Princess: exactly Ron: no sir Annus_Novus: I would buy about 10 of these, at least, to burn my own EPROMs of stuff that I have disk images of, but not the carts. Pamela: gonna have to go to work in it in the morning - I'm not looking forward to this Pamela: however, at least I don't have to get up and shovel it Ron: like as in burning ROM filers into EPROMs?? Annus_Novus: Presumably, this would be identical to any new game cart you would be selling, just not with the ROM of the new game in it. Pamela: Now that Kimberly is living at her parents, she's been elected to shovel Annus_Novus: Yes, exactly. Princess: best thing about an apartment Princess: sucks to be her Daniel Bienvenu: My Gamepack project : 13-in-1 games cartridge programmed in C by me with a nice box and manual (french/english) Pamela: absolutely. Annus_Novus: I've toyed with making one for myself, with a ZIF socket. Annus_Novus: But then you have to swap in the ROM each time. Scott: Dan, which games? Pamela: I don't mind shovelling snow as a rule, but I'd rather not do it at 6:30 am Ron: cost Daniel? Scott: Doc - That would be fairly easy. Princess: Pam you'll never guess what I am listening to Pamela: what? Princess: Metallica FredK: cool Scott: You're talking about soldering a board w/a socket so that EPROMs can be interchanged. Daniel Bienvenu: Cost the same price has the other new colecovision games Judy: the best time to shovell is at night Pamela: where's one of those icons with the eyebrows raised when you need it? Pamela: why? Princess: LOL Ron: 50 bux, give or take? Princess: i was enlightened to it's poetry Annus_Novus: Yes. A ZIF socket (Zero-Insertion Force), with a lever that opens/closes, for easy insertion/removal. Princess: my friend made me a tape Pamela: ooookkkkaaayyyy Scott: The plastic would be the only problem, since the internals will interfere with the height of the socket. Annus_Novus: That's if I make *one*, by hand, point-to-point wiring. Princess: and i had to go out and buy the CD Guy B.: Touchdown USC Daniel Bienvenu: 50 bux? it's too much.. it's only 25-30$ in US dollars (about 35$-45$ CND) Princess: it's very very deep Scott: Dan - which games were included. Pamela: how about I'll take your word for it? Princess: you'd be surprised Princess: believe me Scott: These are computer games on other systems? Daniel Bienvenu: it's not a multicart .. it's all new games programmed in C. Guy B.: It's now USC 24 Iowa 10 Scott: That's what I thought. Pamela: I like my music a little more mellow than that Scott: Not copies of existing ROMs Daniel Bienvenu: http://www.chez.com/cdi/gamepack/gamepack.html Princess: my preconceptions were wrong Scott: Like Sean Kelley's multicart. Princess: the one i have is pretty mellow Daniel Bienvenu: the public release of Gamepack have only 4 games Princess: doesn't even seem like metal Pamela: Got the new Shania CD for Christmas Pamela: haven't listened to all of it yet Annus_Novus: I think that there's space inside the clamshell to accommodate 1 32K ROM socketed, without interference. Daniel Bienvenu: i repete, gamepack is NOT a multicart Princess: right on...i gots that Princess: not for Xmas though Scott: Gotcha. Princess: any GBS? Scott: Cool Annus_Novus: Do you have a stock of unused cart shells? Or are you going to make new ones (injection molding etc.)? Pamela: got the new Phil Collins CD too Scott: Any interest in rereleasing this? Scott: New cartridge shells. Annus_Novus: Or are you going to scavenge shells from ultra-common games and rebadge them. Pamela: what I don't have is something portable to listen to them on Scott: They will have Good Deal Games' logo on them. Daniel Bienvenu: Scott : I don't have the new boards to continue but i still have cases, eeprom, etc.. Pamela: I don't have all my Christmas presents yet rich-c: Scott, what's your relationship with GDG? Don't see you listed on the site biogs Scott: No, we will not scavenge old casings. Guy B.: Well folks, getting close to qutting time for me. I'll see how Saturday goes, otherwise I'll see you all next week at 9PM Central time. Annus_Novus: G'nite, Guy. Happy New Year! Scott: Look under publishing, then ColecoVision. FredK: Same here gotta go!!! Daniel Bienvenu: Scott : you want gooddealgame release Gamepack? do you think you can do the manual and the box too? FredK: chiao Guy and all Scott: There you will find my name. BobS: nite Guy Pamela: G'nite Guy, Gnite Fred - Seasons Greetings to you both Judy: bye Guy Daniel Bienvenu: bye guy! rich-c: OK Guy, hope to see you on the weekend - take it easy Guy B.: Happy New Year to ALL! Scott: See ya Guy.
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moved to room Meeting Place Pamela: What happened, Rich? Scott: I could bring some Power Supplies to ADAMCon.
changed username to Princess Princess: back Scott: I suspect I better come to this next one. Pamela: What happened, Rin? Annus_Novus: Typed in the wrong window...I wanted to look up something, and I forgot to open a new browser window. BobS: ya........... rich-c: well, wait and see what may be needed - hard to tell Judy: nice trip, Erin?? Annus_Novus: Typing in it made it kill the chat. Princess: well my MSN has been acting screwy so i have to reboot to get it to work Scott: Dan, I should warn you that I'm still waiting on Eduardo to manufacture the casings. Annus_Novus: I was just commenting that it was dangerous to be among the aristocracy, Your Highness :-) Pamela: isn't that annoying Scott: But I suspect he's going to manufacture them shortly. Scott: He had some preorders. Princess: LOLOLOL Pamela: and then boot, off he fell Scott: And his customers were driving him crazy. Scott: That's why he came to us. Annus_Novus: She dragged me down with her! Pamela: sorry, still think I have the best excuse of the evening Scott: But GDG can't release his game through the site because Space Invaders is property of Taito. Ron: you mean the fuse? Pamela: yeah yeah, that's what they all say rich-c: remind me, daughter, to tell you about the virtues of my ups... Scott: Our initial manufacturing is of 1000 casings. Annus_Novus: She put a spell on me! She's in league with You-Know-Who! Scott: We will wind up with 800-900 of these. Princess: Pam I gotta send u an email with updates Scott: My wife and I will be doing most of the manufacuring here. Pamela: you mean He-Who-Must-Not-Be_Named? Scott: With occassional help from my father. Princess: LOLOLOL Daniel Bienvenu: That's enough casings for about 10-16 games Princess: something like that Pamela: is there gossip involved Erin? Princess: la la la Scott: Well, GDG feels confident they'll sell 100 of Cosmo Fighter. Princess: gossip? Pamela: gossip updates Annus_Novus: It's humiliating being under the Imperius Curse! Scott: They sold many more of a Sega CD game that was recently released. Ron: Is there any profit margin on those carts? Scott: Can't tell you the actual numbers. Pamela: you can throw it off if you try Rich Princess: well updates...i'm not sure about gossip Annus_Novus: What is the projected cost per cart, retail? Scott: Ron - oh yes, but it's not a heck of a lot.
DougS left chat session Ron: right Scott: Parts are fairly cheap. Annus_Novus: "I'm not a bad man, I'm just a bad wizard"--Oz. Pamela: that ought to make for interesting reading Rin Daniel Bienvenu: Writing the e-mail will take more time... i don't know which file is the good one for the manual. :( Pamela: are you going to send one to K as well? Princess: :-) Scott: We should be able to keep parts costs to less than $5 Scott: per cartridge. Princess: prolly BobS: that's pretty cheap Annus_Novus: But you can't sell for cost; what would be the retail price? Pamela: oh, good - we can discuss it together Princess: LOL Pamela: that's fun Daniel Bienvenu: "We should be able to keep parts costs to less than $5" ehat this means? Scott: For Cosmo Fighter, about $25. Ron: That's the question, Dr. Novus Pamela: that's what happened to the last one - we were so busy dissecting it, we forgot to respond! Princess: LOLOLOLOOOLOLOL Annus_Novus: I would buy a new cart like that for $25. Ron: yup. Count me in Scott: So I believe Marcel and GDG will split the profits. Scott: But that's not much considering how much work they put into it. Pamela: you gotta send it tomorrow though, so we can talk about it Saturday evening - we're going to the bridal show Scott: Now that's just the cartridge. Daniel Bienvenu: i'm not sure i understand ... Ron: More for me because Scott is talking $25 US right? Princess: ahhhh Annus_Novus: I would strongly suggest, though, that for any new games (CF included), there be a 1-screen demo that people can play under the emulator, to verify that they are happy with it. Scott: I believe he will be printing cartridge manuals. Princess: hopefully I will be able to Princess: the minister will be in for part of the day Scott: Boxes may be too expensive to manufacture, I don't know. Pamela: in search of decent invitations, cake, flowers and d.j's Ron: overhead, bloody overhead Scott: But there's an opportunity to make a little money. Pamela: tell the minister to . . . oops, can't say that here Ron: Cousineau used to tell me he worked for about a dollar an hour Annus_Novus: Especially if you get, say, 10 new games to sell...I wouldn't have $250 to spend all at once, I would have to pick and choose. Princess: LOLOLOL rich-c: right, especially when you are dealing with a limited market Princess: well I could say it....but only if i wanna get fired Scott: We shouldn't have any problem selling 100. Pamela: compose at lunch Erin Princess: hmmmmm Annus_Novus: Minister...is Princess getting married?!? Scott: These would be a limited run of 100, most likely anyway. Meeka: ok, well I am gonna get going Pamela: no, Kimberly is getting married - Erin works for the Minister of International Cooperation Meeka: I will see ya all later Ron: nite Meeka. Be good Pamela: night Meeka BobS: bye Meeka rich-c: nite, Meeka, take care Annus_Novus: Ministry of International Magical Cooperation...planning the next TriWizard Tournament, eh? Pamela: take care and HNY Annus_Novus: Bye Meeka. Scott: ROMs are already available for Cosmo Fighter 3 Judy: nite meeka see you Saturday Meeka: bye bye Princess: lololol Meeka: ok Mom
Meeka left chat session Scott: But yes, preview ROMs need to be available. Pamela: nothing so interesting, I'm afraid Pamela: I'd settle for a Quidditch match Scott: Dan, sorry, I missed your questions. Annus_Novus: Easy enough to do, from source: just make a 1-screen version, *being sure to not include code from any of the rest of the game*, or someone will disassemble it and get it running.
Princess left chat session Scott: Sure. It would be like 8K of the 32K ROM or something like that. Annus_Novus: Quidditch...I wonder if there's an existing ColecoVision game whose sprites could be modified to make a Quidditch match... Pamela: Hey Dad - (oops, we just lost Erin again) - was George on chat Saturday? Scott: One level of the game Pamela: oh, oh, oh that would be sooooo cool! rich-c: no, just Daniel and I - and it was most illuminating Judy: think it is time to say good night to all, talk to you next week Scott: Why hack an existing game when you can write a new one from scratch. Annus_Novus: Bye Judy. Scott: Much more fun and time consuming that way. rich-c: OK Judy, you take care and we'll see you Ron: nite Judy Pamela: Night Judy - Happy New Year Ron: time marches onward Daniel Bienvenu: bonne nuit Judy!
Judy left chat session Scott: Dan, what were you asking me? Annus_Novus: Depends on how able you are to write a new game :-) I don't know enough to write a CV game from scratch...especially music programming. Scott: Yeah, I'm gonna run into problem with music programming. Scott: My one and only weakness. Annus_Novus: How will you do music and sound effects? No development software for sound has ever surfaced from Coleco R&D. Scott: Perhaps Dale could help us with that. BobS: hey Ron !!!!! about time for an official like logo for AC15....w/ mountains, etc......my webpage is kinda plain with only AC15 is coming........ Scott: There are public domain libraries. Daniel Bienvenu: Scott : the question is about the cosmo fighter 3 example you give Annus_Novus: If it's just simple 3-part harmony melodies, I can write the music. rich-c: what are your chances of disassembling SmartLogo and seeing how it works? Scott: I have several ROMs that are just music demoes. rich-c: Logo has good sound routines Ron: Did you ever see an early effort by Sol Swift called SmartTrix? Annus_Novus: Sound effects...you could crib from existing games...but you'd have to disassemble them to find the sound data. Scott: Rich, that would take a lot of time. Scott: Yes, I think I have it on disk. Ron: it had some pretty saleable sound effects Scott: I have all of his old newsletters. Scott: Hmmm Annus_Novus: F'rinstance, there are sounds ripe for the taking from the Pitfall disassembly. Ron: and would generate, I think, machine code to embed in Smart BASIC BobS: got to go now too lads ........... and lassie Scott: Dan, yes, we could manufacture everything, but we haven't checked into costs for manufacturing boxes. rich-c: yes, there is that ROM of tunes from a bunch of the Coleco games BobS: have a FUn week and be good !!!!!! Pamela: okay Bob - good nite and Happy New Year Ron: sleep well Bob rich-c: nite Bob, see you next week Annus_Novus: There's probably not enough space in a 32K ROM to do the sound as MIDI and have a MIDI-to-sound chip interpreter like Chris Braymen wrote...those routines alone are about 4K, right, Ron? Pamela: aw, do we have to? Scott: Night Bob. BobS: yup next week........
BobS left chat session Ron: if that Dr. Novus..... they're not very long at all Scott: My game probrably won't have much music. Ron: you guys should have all that stuff Annus_Novus: But 4K is big compared to 32K. Daniel Bienvenu: My question is about this "We should be able to keep parts costs to less than $5". What it means? Scott: Mostly sound effects anyway. Annus_Novus: If you need to pack in lots of screens... Scott: Costs to $5 Pamela: well, since you all are embedded in programming info, I think I shall go catch up on my sleep. Ron: Chris' drivers convert midi files to ADAM sound chip useable code Annus_Novus: Now...you *could* make a cart that is ADAM-only and take advantage of bank-switching capabilities. rich-c: goodnight, daughter, enjoy your new monitor Scott: This means the plastic, the cartridge board, the EEPROM, and the time it takes to solder it together. Pamela: thanks, I already am. good nite to all - will see you next week Annus_Novus: Bye, Pam...sorry we are actually talking ADAM shop tonight :-)
moved to room Meeting Place Scott: Boards are roughly $1.50 - 2.00
changed username to Princess Scott: Chips are around $1 Pamela: Erin, I'm heading to bed. Are you going to send me that email tomorrow? Scott: Plastic is probrably gonna be around $1 Princess: i'll try Princess: maybe if I can't sleep I will send it tonight Scott: Cost of Time to build each unit??? Scott: Shipping of completed carts? Pamela: 'kay. Since everyone else is reprogramming things, I'm heading out. If you send it tonite, remember to send it to work Scott: Cost of printing manuals? Princess: okie dokie Daniel Bienvenu: and the cost of time do a new coleco game? Ron: add it all up.....there won't be much left of the $25 Pamela: luv you Scott: And probrably other things I have forgotten. Annus_Novus: 28 solder joints for the ROM, plus 2 for the filter cap...PROM burning time...screw it together...30 minutes, tops. Princess: i suppose i shall bid you all adieu as well Princess: luv you too Annus_Novus: Princess, we beseech thee, leave us not! rich-c: OK Rin, goodnight and you-all drive carefully in that snow Princess: thanks Uncle Richard Pamela: we'll be careful, Daddy Scott: Almost forgot, the 7408 chip also costs .75 in quantity Princess: and thank Dr. D Ron: Princess will depart when Princess departs Scott: Knew I was forgetting something. Princess: LOL Scott: So the parts are roughly $5. Annus_Novus: Oh yeah, you need to OR together all the 4 chip selects. Annus_Novus: Forgot about that. Pamela: Night Dad rich-c: nite Pam