Ron: Is there life? Dr.D.: Hi Ron, just popped in early, then minimized the window. Ron: aha. Ron: How goes it Dr.D.: Digging out from under E-mail spam. Ron: I hear ya. Dr.D.: Not that any of my computers are vulnerable to the viruses in them... Ron: Spent an hour yesterday cleaning out my in-box Dr.D.: but still, yesterday I had to have received over 700 E-mails to email@example.com. Ron: lordie Dr.D.: Too many infected computers at CWRU. Dr.D.: Too much Windows... Ron: yeah, it's pretty bad this time Ron: so far (touch wood) I've been spared, but using the iMac mostly for internet and e-mail Ron: I've been called to two of my friends so far who got the worm Dr.D.: None of my personla Windows machines are infected, but none of them have any kind of E-mail client. Dr.D.: oops, personal Ron: right Ron: The forces of evil are at work Dr.D.: I read E-mail through an ssh shell to a Unix machine. Ron: probably just as well. Dr.D.: Course-related E-mail I sent 3 days ago still hasn't arrived... Dr.D.: Classes start here on Monday, my robot class Tuesday. Ron: bogged in the spam Ron: yup.... it's that time of year Ron: so you get a whole bunch of new names to remember Dr.D.: An IT person here said that 3.2 million E-mails were in the system on Friday...normal daily load is 200K. Dr.D.: I think it's about time that the chickens came home to roost in Redmond... Ron: Does CWRU have automated course registration? Dr.D.: if this were cars or planes or baby cribs, there would be legal action. Dr.D.: Yes, there is a web-based registration client. Ron: exactly - one wonders how they get away with it Dr.D.: I'm supposed to have 30 students, but only 27 are currently registered. Ron: so how do you know about the other 3? Dr.D.: I was trying to find out about the other 3, so if they have dropped, I can try to recruit to fill the vacancies from my waiting list. Dr.D.: But none of my class-list E-mails has been delivered. Dr.D.: So far, anyway.
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changed username to rich-c Dr.D.: Hello Richard. Ron: from the sounds of it rich-c: good day, gentlemen Dr.D.: Pamela said she was going to come today, too. Ron: you've certainly got eager takers if the 3 don't show Ron: Mr. Clee I presume rich-c: the one and only, Ron Dr.D.: *IF* I can remind them that they can show up on the first day and hope for a spot. rich-c: p.s. - youtr cheque's in the mail ;-) Dr.D.: Hard to do if the reminder E-mail is lost in transit. Ron: right.... at that point it would be first come first served I suppose Dr.D.: Yes. rich-c: did I miss so ething by late arrival? Ron: no....just discussing the state of Dr. D's preps for the oncoming student rush rich-c: ah yes, it is getting 5owards that time of year again Ron: yep rich-c: ron, did you get the score from the Liions game last night? Ron: 48-18 (give or take) Ron: Never seen Ron Lancaster looking so resigned to his fate rich-c: wondered how long it would take to become a blowout Dr.D.: CFL is in season now? Ron: I didn't actually see it all - just the last bit Ron: Yes Dr. D. they're at it. rich-c: oh well, the Argos andStamps had long evenings too Ron: Two bankrupt teams being operated by the league, and then the others who might be bankrupt soon rich-c: yep, halfway through, Rich Ron: We start - What, Rich- second week of June? Dr.D.: Only football talk in town here is the which-guy-will-be-the-quarterback controversy, won by the underdog. rich-c: exhibition games, yes, Ron, I think Ron: right Dr.D.: Amazingly, the guy paid 10% of what the 1st-round draft pick is making, actually was named the starter. rich-c: there is some hope the financial disasters can be r3ecovered Dr.D.: Is the league in danger of folding? Ron: survival of the fittest Dr.D.: I can't believe that our football here is a threat to yours, is it? rich-c: no, it's expected new ownership will be found for the two troubled teams Ron: It's been in danger of folding now for about 20 years, but somehow manages to find a way each year Dr.D.: I hardly can stand our NFL, guys are too big, too slow, too overpaid. Ron: Hadn't heard that Rich.... but then I'm no authority Dr.D.: Probably haven't watched an entire NFL game for 5 years now. rich-c: you're right Rich, but as you know our tv networks buy a lot of coverage from yours Dr.D.: Goodness, keep your own interests and culture alive! Don't take stuff from us :-) rich-c: besides, the CFL winds up in November, so there's a hiatus Ron: Just before I left Ottawa I went to a Roughriders game at Landsdowne Park... paid $48. (CDN) to get in.... 40 rows up on the 20 yard line.... was searched like a common criminal prior to entry.... and the Roughriders lost Ron: so I haven't been back rich-c: I'm afraid our Great Unwashed is as easily diverted as yours - and your networks can affod more glossy dreck rich-c: I have never been to the Skydome for any event Ron: mind you- it's a little more difficult now, but one of these years I should go to a Lions game under the dome Ron: have never been there Ron: could go down and freeload off Jeff. Course then I'd have to pay for his ticket I suppose rich-c: well, maybe if Jeff's a fan you can arrange a "family outing" Dr.D.: haha Ron: yeah....that's the plan..... one of these years Dr.D.: Is Jeff all recovered from the rigors of ADAMcon? Ron: oh yes.... actually, he said with the delay at the ferry on Sunday night, he may as well have come to the banquet Ron: He ran into George Koczwara apparently - on the boat Dr.D.: Yep, he could have come, then. Ron: indeed Dr.D.: Did George K get home all right? I haven't heard anything. Ron: well, I know he got at least as far as the ferry. No word after that Ron: will have to ask him Dr.D.: It's been a very long time since he or Herman have been to these chats, right? Dr.D.: (I had some spotty attendance last year, so I can't be certain) Ron: Guys... I'm gonna disappear for a moment..... off to make a lunch.... will be back in a few min (re your last) yes...quite a while rich-c: think I've only ever sen George on here once Ron: brb rich-c: Herman has been only but not often or lately Dr.D.: Enjoy your lunch, Ron. rich-c: enjoy, Ron rich-c: Did you say you were expecting Pam on, Ron? rich-c: sorry, Rioch? Dr.D.: I said it. Dr.D.: That's what she told me Wednesday. Dr.D.: This coming Wednesday is apparently "hair cut night", and she will be away. rich-c: OK - Frances was talking to her this morning and she apparently didnt say anything about it Dr.D.: So she said she would stop by today to make up for it. Dr.D.: She may have forgotten :-) rich-c: yes, her choice of hair cutter has only very restricted hours, most of which are in Pam's working time rich-c: quite possible, it does happen rich-c: anyway she will be by here tomorrow morning Dr.D.: I don't have such travails with my barber :-) rich-c: Frances got word from CPL yesterday that her mother has stopped eating Dr.D.: Coming to visit you? rich-c: so the two of them are going over to CPL about noon Dr.D.: To try to get her to eat? Dr.D.: Or is this getting near the end... rich-c: that's likely hopeless - she's 100 years old and used up rich-c: part may be an inability to get her to wake up long enough to eat Dr.D.: She sleeps all the time? rich-c: for all practical purposes, yes rich-c: may have been affected by some side effects of the blackout rich-c: don't know what CPL's backup resources are, especially re a/c Dr.D.: Ah, temperature control. rich-c: yes. could have got overheated, or dehydrated, or whatever rich-c: wouldnt know to ask for relief or what to ask for Dr.D.: Do you have any kind of do-not-resuscitate arrangements in place? rich-c: no, but I don't think any such question would rise anyway Dr.D.: I was going to say, if you don't by now, it is probably too late, as it sounds like Frances' mother is no longer capable of any kind of informed consent. rich-c: Canadians are less likely to enrich doctors with exercises in futility rich-c: she's been beyond that for yers - fortunately Frances has power of attorney, again for years Dr.D.: Well, I'm sure it will be a sad sight for Frances and Pam tomorrow. rich-c: Frances is used to it; I take her over there every Tuesday
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George: Hi Everyone George: warm rich-c: really? we had a cold fron and now it's about 65 here (eat your heart out) rich-c: I rich-c: ve actually used a blanket on my bed last few nights Dr.D.: We spent an hour at the public pool today, it is so hot. rich-c: haven't had the a/c on for more than a week, even when it heats up it cools down overnight rich-c: really, Rich? though you'd be in the same air nass we have Dr.D.: Probably do, but we felt hot today :-) rich-c: we are out of the emergency status now so don';t have to cut back electricity use anyway George: just got some Canadian products from my local walmart Dr.D.: I'm glad the lawn doesn't need to be mowed today, I would not want to be outside with the mower right now. rich-c: they are telling us it could get up to about 86 tomorrow, but something like 56 overnight Dr.D.: Also, the Greek Orthodox church across the street is having their annual festival, so there are all kinds of cars parked along the street. Dr.D.: We ate our supper there last night..mmmm. rich-c: what did you buy that was Canadian, George? George: some dvd's rich-c: OK. right, Cinar is a huge DVD maker and is Canadian rich-c: sorry - is it Cinar or Cinram - can never keep them straight George: they had three stooges and beverly hillbillies titles rich-c: not quite my kind of thing, but to each his own Dr.D.: Love dem Stooges! rich-c: but then I haven't found any incentive to even buy a dvd player yet George: some i never seen before rich-c: now a burner for the computer, that I might consider now prices are down Dr.D.: There are a couple of WW2-era ones where Moe dresses up as Hitler...priceless. rich-c: sort of like Chralie Chaplin's Great Dictator? Dr.D.: "You Nazty Spy" is one of them, the Film Society here showed it last September as part of a short-subjects night. George: i have three stooges cartoon playing now rich-c: I gave up going to movies when they started showing commercials in theatres Dr.D.: Curly is Goering, and Larry is Goebels. Funny stuff. rich-c: figured I'd paid my money, if I had to see ads I wanted the entertainment for free Ron: re-hi all Dr.D.: It's the studio stranglehold on ticket revenues: George: that must be 1910 rich-c: welcome back, Ron Ron: (munch munch) Dr.D.: They get *everything* for the first 2 weeks. So the theatres have to make it up on food and anything else they can find. rich-c: I have never seen a three stooges picture Dr.D.: We'll be dining on roast beef at our starbase pretty soon. Dr.D.: Amazing, Richard. Ron: replicated or real, Dr D.? George: goto dollar store and sneak in candy rich-c: oh, this is a belated birthday for me - steak, ice cream, and all the trimmings tonight Dr.D.: Not sure which one I would recommend, if I could only pick one. Dr.D.: Now, this is a real bully beef roast, Ron. Dr.D.: No replicators here tonight :-) Ron: right Dr.D.: Eat hearty, RIchard. rich-c: trust me, that is the plan Dr.D.: just don't get a bellyache. Ron: I was out last week at a rodeo. Bulls won 5 - 0 Dr.D.: Smith & Wesson beats anything :-) Ron: for that they should be permitted to live rich-c: that'sa pretty good average, Ron rich-c: if they can buck that weell, they likely will be kept Dr.D.: I wouldn't have thought there would be a rodeo out your way, Ron. rich-c: hey, it's western Canada, Rich Ron: what I didn't realize is that the judges also grade the bull's performance Dr.D.: It doesn't seem like cowboy country. Ron: first time I'd ever been to such an event Ron: well it's not really, but we have a local agricultural component that like to think they are Dr.D.: Just so they don't talk like RKO movie cowboys :-) Ron: So they invite all the rodeo circuit to come (from the BC interior and from Alberta) rich-c: and I suppose the lumberjacks are more or less sympathetic Ron: yup exactly...... the basic skill thing Dr.D.: "Oh, I'm a lumber jack and I'm okay..." Dr.D.: Don't sing that around there, I bet :-) rich-c: an aside - I have had 30-odd pings at my computer since signing on here Ron: I work all night and I sleep all day rich-c: guess the works are active today rich-c: sorry, worms Dr.D.: Worms in the works. Ron: So far my firewall has held up Dr.D.: Our paper had a photo of an MS keyboard with an earthworm crawling out of a hole burned in it. rich-c: I gather the latest Sobig was just generating traffic for a porn site Ron: good representation Dr.D.: Of course to illustrate an article about worms. George: good day to be spaced out rich-c: whether it was an ad or ODS attack isn't clear Dr.D.: Well, ya know...if we all went back to dialup BBSes, we could get our mail with no worms or viruses :-) rich-c: oops again - DOS Dr.D.: If ADAM folk want to trade messages...maybe I should put up a BBS. rich-c: Zone Alarm and Anti-Vir have held up well for me so far Dr.D.: Or hack ADAMem to run one. George: i'm ready for ADAM II rich-c: did you see Saturday's Dilbert about the porn site? Ron: We could run PBBS under TDOS Dr.D.: Yes. Dr.D.: I'm just not sure if ADAMem emulates an Orphanware serial port out to a PC serial port. rich-c: I thought it was hilarious - mind you, Dilbert usually is Dr.D.: Haven't seen a paper today yet. Ron: good point Dr. D. Dr.D.: Some day I need to look at the source for ADAMem! George: restart ADAMnet Dr.D.: What would work would be an ADAM on the net. Ron: mmmmm Look at it I could; underatand it would I not Dr.D.: With some port you could telnet to that would establish communication with an ADAM. rich-c: yes, Marcel has the binaries posted, and also teh source, doesn't he? Dr.D.: Apparently someone has a CP/M machine on the net that way. Ron: aha rich-c: hey, Adam can run CP/M; just figure out how to do it Dr.D.: You telnet to the net.machine, and the CP/M box is hooked to it via serial port. Dr.D.: Whatever *nix OS on the net.machine opens a connection to the serial port and lets the remote user talk to it. Ron: how secure is telnet? Dr.D.: Not so much anymore...but you could do it via ssh, I imagine. Ron: right rich-c: who cares? doubt a worm could do much in CP/M or OS7 Dr.D.: Not for the ADAM...but it could compromise the *nix host machine. Dr.D.: So probably you would want people to ssh into a shell, then run the program to talk to the ADAM. Ron: Still it would be interesting to try as a projectg rich-c: relatively few worms or viruses try to target *nix flavours Dr.D.: No, but any exploit that gives you root access on a net-connected *nix box can do mischief. Dr.D.: Certainly it would allow you to send out E-mail spam or launch a DOS attack. rich-c: more fun to target Windows; there's so many more targets Dr.D.: And so easy to target them. Dr.D.: Windows has no security. rich-c: yes, though I'm immune to most of the latest since I'm still on 98SE George: me too rich-c: still, have to check into Windows Update soon rich-c: Big Fix says there's a new version of Sirect-X out I should have rich-c: but it's a ten meg download or so - I'm wondering George: i'm falling in love with my laptop more and more Dr.D.: 10 MB over 56K dialup, ouch, that will take a few hours.
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changed username to other Ron Dr.D.: "other Ron"? other Ron: OS X has gone to la-la land rich-c: now what are you up to, Ron? other Ron: I don't know what it is about Jag... but avery so often the cursor starts spinning other Ron: and ya can't talk to it rich-c: fascinating Dr.D.: I have found that OS X does not like (1) any flavor of iMovie, it keeps locking up; and (2) my Lexmark USB printer. other Ron: aha... other Ron: iMovie I have, but have not as yet tried.... no compatible cam Dr.D.: (1) is a real problem, since my job is video analysis. other Ron: well yeah eh?? rich-c: maybe they put that in so migrants from Windows would feel more at home... George: has anyone seen longhorn? Dr.D.: (2) is just annoying, but I have to reboot it to get the function back. Dr.D.: And the Mac version of ColEm doesn't work very well, not even on this dual-G4 1.43 GHz machine. other Ron: Well.....some days I get the idea that OS X - especially 10.2 doesn't really like processors under 500 Mhz other Ron: although most of the time it's just fine other Ron: but right now, iMac is lock and spiralling Dr.D.: Everything works except the sound. rich-c: you have the option of switching back to 9.2, don't you, Ron? Dr.D.: Tryy Option-Shift-Escape George: test other Ron: yes.... if could get out of X rich-c: you are with us, George other Ron: which I can... but I just want to see how long this goes on Dr.D.: Speaking of which...it's now 4:00 PM EDT and I need to go start cooking supper. other Ron: apple-option-escape rich-c: I would expect the entertainment value of spiralling cursors would be limited other Ron: forced Safari to quit Dr.D.: I can never remember the keys. Dr.D.: My hands know where they are on the keyboard. other Ron: ok.... let's retry George: i'm gettin addicted to Hyper Bowl
moved to room Meeting Place Dr.D.: So, I'm going to close for today...say hi to Pam for me, Richard. rich-c: what is Hyper-Bowl, George? 15-pin? rich-c: will do, Rich - see you Wed
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other Ron left chat session rich-c: oh - as you know, anything beyond Free Cell is too complicated for me Ron: marvels of modern technology rich-c: what freebie games come with an iMac, Ron? Ron: I even have trouble with Free Cell George: it has classic alley and pins of Rome Ron: So Rich, now tell me..... rich-c: go George: you just use your mouse Ron: did you decide who you were going to pay for the T-shirts... (assume Pam and Hubby are going to pay you) rich-c: yes, I just mailed the cheque to you - went out yesterday afternoon Ron: aha you're a good man sir Ron: then I'll settle up with Bob rich-c: right - I think it's likely most economical to keep currency exchanges to a minimum Ron: true rich-c: every time you switch the bank wants its vigorish Ron: they do, yes rich-c: and small-town Yankee banks are notoriously rapaciaous George: it's 84f here. Feels warmer Ron: just saw the question re iMac...... and freebie games Ron: would you believe - Chess? and that's it rich-c: we're not that far from it but the air mass is dry and wind from teh north so we feel cool Ron: mind you, it's a good chess rich-c: does that say something about the difference between Windows and Mac buyers? George: i have battle chesss Ron: could be George: chess Ron: mind you there are plenty of mac freebies available for download..... some well done, some not Ron: lots of solitaire games rich-c: 98SE has Free Cell, Minesweeper, and a couple of ther games I forget Ron: hearts rich-c: yes, and Klondike Solitaire George: don't know mac rich-c: the hearts game runs so fast you can't see what's going on - it's useless George: pity Ron: Gave a P133 to my brother's girlfriend before they left here, and got hell for not installing the games rich-c: of coursse the available freebie games from 3d parties for Windows is endless Ron: turns out my brother is addicted to solitaire Ron: yes.... millions upon millions George: sim city 3000 rich-c: hey, if it has a modem. give him a few urls and let him download his own Ron: Jeff bought me Sim Golf for Christmas. Have so far only tried it once. Ron: It sits there awaiting my attention rich-c: again, other than Free Cell, I havent the time or patience for games Ron: Oh he's got a 1.3 meg screamer... it's his girlfriend that's going to use this one. It'll live at her place George: i have solitaires for free and big Pat Ron: or was that 1.3 gig Ron: senior' Ron: s moment Ron: what is the speed of processors rated in? rich-c: gig, these days, though there was a time... Ron: thank you rich-c: Adam is, I believe, just under 4 meg George: 3.08 ghz Ron: yup, that's it Ron: and my 1 year old Duron is now much less than half of what is out there George: pentium 4 HT rich-c: I notice the new Pentium M Centrino is only 1.3 gig, but hugely fast Ron: Well.... depends on bus speed and configuration too rich-c: I assume it's full 64-bit and maybe the Hyper-Threading has an effect Ron: so you wouldn't need the lightning proc. speed rich-c: yes, my Athlon is only 1.4 gig true but 1.6 gig equivalent performance Ron: to achieve the same work Ron: Any way gents..... think I shall sign off... see ya Wed...good Lord willin George: i have regular pentium 4 2.0 ghz rich-c: OK Ron, take care, look for you then George: bye Ron Ron: ok..... bye Rich... George
Ron left chat session rich-c: that's an awful lot more processor than you need, George George: that's my main desktop George: it drives the train rich-c: so what? it's still like having a Ferrari Enzo and never driving out of the city rich-c: my Athlon is so ludicrously overspec'd for my needs it's - well, ludicarous George: 512mb of pc 2700 ddr rich-c: great for bragging rights but no real use rich-c: I bought the "sweet spot" processor - top of the just down-priced group when I bought mine George: oh, it's really needed on those 3gb. downloads rich-c: got the 256 meg of memory simply because it was so bloody cheap rich-c: and the same, no difference between 20 and 40 gig hard disc George: and the newest games rich-c: well, I do not undertake 3 gig downloads so couldn't care less George: they have some new really nice games that won't run on anything less rich-c: I know, every time there's a new processor or video chip, someone figures they have to write a game for which it's the minimum requirement rich-c: I see no point in upgrading my CPU or video card every time a new game comes out George: i know makes me mad rich-c: then make a policy, if it won't run on a Pentium I - 66 mhz with l6 meg or ram, don't buy it rich-c: anything worth having will run there anyway rich-c: anything fancier is just bling bling George: age of mythology won't rich-c: so then lie without it George: and impossible creatures rich-c: the web's full of stuff that will - you don't need the 'latest and greatest" George: Hyper Bowl falls apart below 750mhz rich-c: 18 months down the road it will be too yesterday to look at anyway George: and pentium 66 is forgotten rich-c: forgotten, but not gone - some folx still do have them George: i have an XT i don't use it George: an old beltron rich-c: well there's a rather significant generation gap from an 8086 to a Pentium, you know rich-c: and it would still be a great server for Adam Connection George: a 486 DX2 50 and a pentium 100 rich-c: both OK for word processing and routine office stuff, simple games, internet rich-c: can't run graphics-intensive stuff but who cares? rich-c: how much photo or video editing have you done this month? George: the slowest on my net is pentium overdrive 180mmx rich-c: why not? yu don rich-c: t need a piledriver to srive every nail George: huh? rich-c: you don't use a shotgun to down flies George: kodak easyshare camera George: Jed Clampet did rich-c: you don't even need a computedr to use that if you have the accessories George: so did momma rich-c: the Clampets are not my lifestyle role models George: it's the only thing that gave her a challenge rich-c: or not that I'm prepared to admit, anyway ;-) George: she said damn targets are way too big made for the blind rich-c: again, I've never see a Beverly Hillbillies show rich-c: but that does sound consistent with what I know of them George: my own mother was that way rich-c: good shot, you mean? George: yes rich-c: it's a vanishing talent these days George: i know i won't go near a gun rich-c: I'm more a dont than wont type - just have no occasion to but would if I did rich-c: not into killing what I won't eat so fish are safe and I'm not into field-dressing deer George: i would have to starve to use a gun even to go hunting rich-c: pretty much teh same, though I'd have no cojmpunctions about defending myself if that were the issue George: i do fish and release rich-c: I tend to have other uses for my time so no fishing for me George: i'd rather make a freightening appearance rich-c: what do you mean? George: people don't like to tangle with big shaggy people rich-c: I'm afraid that's not an option for me George: with bushy hair rich-c: short thin 73 year olds leaning on a cane arent very intimidating George: the grizzly adams type sends em running rich-c: whatever - though Bacon had it right when he said gunpowder makes all men tall George: till rpg comes out George: and it goes on and on rich-c: depends on what you're up to rich-c: notice the Iraqis and Palestinians are showing the proff of Bacon's thought George: maybe an H-Bomb George: that would take care of the irqi and palestinian problem rich-c: maybe, but it would be awfully hard on the oil supply, and that's what they went to war ofr in the first place rich-c: also remember, they have friends who have their own H-bombs and might get vengeful ideas George: Bush don't care rich-c: true - it's ordinary Americans who will pay the price George: we already do rich-c: yes, but you ain't seen nothing yet George: this war ain't on the cheap rich-c: like, just how do you think America is going to get out of Iraq now? rich-c: right -and you'll go on pahing a billion bucks a week to keep the troops there forever George: we're not George: Iraq 51st State rich-c: with a strong and bloody-minded secessionist movement George: you got it rich-c: all the world (except Australia and some Brits) knew it was stupid mistake and said so George: seems it's all over that part of the world rich-c: yep - like stirring up a nest of rattlesnakes George: since the start of time rich-c: you might be able to trample them but some are going to get in their bites - maybe more than you can stand George: war in the beginning, war without end rich-c: anyway, something about teh chair today is bothering my hip rich-c: I am going to have to go put some heat on it or something George: i need to take a break too rich-c: OK, see you Wednesday then if we both can make it George: see you later rich-c: bye now George: ok, if i can George: bye
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