Compyprog: I guess i am early
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changed username to rich-c rich-c: Hmm, that's a handle we haven't seen before - but hi, anyway Compyprog: Hello
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changed username to Judy rich-c: then much welcome, good buddy rich-c: hi Judy, whre's the old man? Compyprog: I have created two Coleco applications Judy: hi, Rich
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changed username to RobertoS rich-c: good for you - not the specialty of we two now, but the experts will be along soon RobertoS: yup yup yup RobertoS: so who is compyprog RobertoS: ............ rich-c: for instance, Bob knows a little about such things RobertoS: ahso!!!!! WELCOME friend of guy * Daniel RobertoS: & Judy: welcome Compyprog RobertoS: take it that you are into the programming for colecvision also ????
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changed username to Daniel B. Daniel B.: Hello Rich, Robert, Frank and Judy rich-c: salut, Danial rich-c: nous avons un de vos amis ici ce soir RobertoS: hiya Daniel Judy: hi, Daniel Compyprog: Yes I program Colecovision. I try anyway rich-c: Daniel, I am honestly working on that stuff for you RobertoS: trying is believin' !!!!!! Daniel B.: perfect rich-c: I amsure with the help of Daniel and Guy you should do well, Frank RobertoS: heck I do NOT even try, BASIC is past my expertise.......much less programming for games Compyprog: Yes they have been an excellent help Daniel B.: Frank is the best coleco musician I know rich-c: but today was typical - the van rad sprung a leak and I had to take it in for service Compyprog: Thanks Daniel rich-c: then we had a surprise visit from Frances' sister and one of her sons Judy: how is the leg doing, Rich? Compyprog: Yes my name is Frank for those of you that see Compyprog there rich-c: significantly improved, Judy - I can bend it reasonably freely now rich-c: also I seen to have lost about half the weight of the water in the swelling Judy: that is good news, Rich Daniel B.: yes, good news rich-c: we are hoping to take a trailer trip, maybe starting Aug. 26th RobertoS: heck, ya'll gonna LIVE !!!!!!!!
(RobertoS gives ice cream to all his friends!) rich-c: we have the trailer home now and are working on it Daniel B.: I like ice cream
(RobertoS gives rich-c some poutine.) rich-c: actually Frances is working on it while I attend to the van RobertoS: working????? like waht is the matter with it???? Daniel B.: but don't mix poutine and ice cream. rich-c: we indulged ourselves tonight and got a box of the ice cream Turtles rich-c: there are areas that need repainting and the whole thing needs cleaning rich-c: she has done the back bumper and is starting on the A-frame RobertoS: THAT would be YUCKY rich-c: after 22 years it is definitely far from pristine 8 - ( Compyprog: I heard a rumor that someone is giving away ADAM computers. Is this true? RobertoS: well.......from what I remember @ AC03, was in NICE shape RobertoS: 'course taht was.......... RobertoS: like 14 yrs ago, eh???? rich-c: well, Guy just got one and there have been others rich-c: I have Colecovision stuff I want to unload - sell the rare stuff, more or less give away the common Compyprog: I would really like an ADAM. The Colecovision is nice but I want more power for Future programming rich-c: to start with, do you know what they cost to ship? they weigh about 19 - 20 kilos Compyprog: I don't know. But I will pay it rich-c: if you want to be patient I can likely find one - send me an email Compyprog: I like below the pond :) in the US so it could be expensive rich-c: my address is cleechz@tamcotec.com Compyprog: Do you have any of the MIDI stuff for the ADAM too? rich-c: the ones I have sold into the US I have charged $100 US delivered - but that was when the US$ was higher rich-c: I have one MIDIMite - likely the last one avaialbe for purchase - it is nw, unused Compyprog: I live in Pennsylvania Compyprog: Erie PA rich-c: oh, just around the corner of the lake - we are in Toronto Compyprog: I could even come up to Toronto
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: have to see when Dr.D. is next coming to Toronto - he'll pass through Erie on teh way
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changed username to <undefined> Compyprog: Where is she going? I teach at one of the colleges rich-c: I bet that Xena has red hair
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Compyprog confirmed ban BobS: HEY RED BobS: Erin the RED Daniel B.: ok... 'rin! BobS: ......... rich-c: and we saw a bit of your mother and brother today
<undefined> changed username to Tired Dr.D. JUDY: hi, Erin Tired Dr.D.: Hello all BobS: jsut a wee teeny bit Daniel B.: oops... hello tired Dr.D BobS: yo Dr D BobS: why tired????? Xena: howdy y'all BobS: you are still younger thatn me rich-c: OK - Dr. D. (Rich) - we have a new CV programmer wants and Adam, lives in Erie, PA Xena: I'm glad they got over there today Xena: Garth has headed home Compyprog: Yes Hello Dr.D Tired Dr.D.: Hello Compyprog JUDY: hi, Dr D rich-c: Frank teaches in one of the colleges in Erie Tired Dr.D.: My eldest daughter is starting at Mercyhurst in 2 weeks. Tired Dr.D.: If it's Mercyhurst I will fall over dumbstruck... Compyprog: Small world I teach at Mercyhurst Tired Dr.D.: <thud> Tired Dr.D.: My daughter is doing archaeology. Compyprog: I teach at the branch campus though Tired Dr.D.: We are taking her up the 27th. Compyprog: I teach in North East, Mercyhurst North East rich-c: still, I bet wee could find a way to get an Adam to him, if he's patient Tired Dr.D.: Wow, very small world Compyprog: Sure, I am patient Tired Dr.D.: Between Mercyhurst and driving through to Toronto to see Ms. Rin, I expect I will get there sometime in the next month when I'd have time to make deliveries. rich-c: since Dr. D will be visiting here at intervals, an Erie at (I expect) shorter intervals, a connection could be possible Compyprog: I wouldn't mind going to Toronto also Rich Compyprog: I love it there Compyprog: Yes that would be nice rich-c: OK I will keep that in mind rich-c: I will be unavailable till about mid-September, though Compyprog: That's okay we start college on Aug 31 rich-c: we hope to take about a 12-day trailer trip leaving Aug. 26th Compyprog: I will be busy for the first couple of weeks Tired Dr.D.: What do you teach? I am a biologist...currently teaching human anatomy, comparative anatomy, human physiology. rich-c: 'rin, any idea whre Pamela is? Compyprog: Holy crap, that is what I teach Tired Dr.D.: hehe Compyprog: I teach a&P Xena: she just left here about 10 minutes ago and said she had to eat but would be on Compyprog: Both introductory and intermediate Tired Dr.D.: very small world indeed...I'd not have thought it possible. Compyprog: Where do you teach? Tired Dr.D.: I came up as a developmental biologist, chick limb development. Tired Dr.D.: Case Western Reserve University. Compyprog: Very nice Xena: twilight zone....very cool Compyprog: I am still working on completing my master's
moved to room Meeting Place Tired Dr.D.: My first post-doc was muscular anatomy of marine slugs...ended up being an 11-year job.
changed username to Guy Foster Compyprog: I would like to move on to Bioinformatics Tired Dr.D.: Hey, they are trying to start that here... BobS: hi guy Xena: hi Guy (it's Rin) rich-c: hello Guy, you're a bit late this evening Compyprog: Possibly someday get a Ph.D Tired Dr.D.: It is a big buzzword of no defined meaning, but sounds cool to marketroids :-) JUDY: hi, Guy Daniel B.: yes, twilight zone.... Guy Foster: Hello all... I'm later, and will be on a bit later as well, I logged in during the commercials. Watching a show, that ends at 10:00 PM. Compyprog: I love computers and biology. A great way to combine the two Guy Foster: Will be back... at 10:00 PM, just wanted to log in. rich-c: heavens, you're as bad as Pamela ; - ) Daniel B.: ok Guy! Daniel B.: talk to you later Xena: hehe Uncle Richard Compyprog: Guy i got MSDOS 7.1 to install rich-c: Rich, send him your paper on using the Adam in your slug observations Tired Dr.D.: Hehe Tired Dr.D.: I could do that.
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changed username to Guy B. Tired Dr.D.: Send me your postal address, to drushel@apk.net Guy B.: Greetings!!!!! Tired Dr.D.: I can send you a reprint Daniel B.: Hello Guy Bona Tired Dr.D.: Figure 2 (IIRC) has an ADAM in it Xena: hey Guy rich-c: whoops! didn't see you come in, Guy BobS: hiya Guy JUDY: hi, Guy Xena: how's it going? Daniel B.: Let me introduce you, Frank alias "compyprog" Compyprog: Sure I will email both Dr.D and rich-c Compyprog: Should I log back in with my real name? rich-c: I'll be looking forward to it
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changed username to Ronald Guy B.: Been busy and tired. I'm trying out a new program on my new processor. Seems to be better. I have 14 days left on the trial. Xena: Ron!!!! JUDY: hi, Ron Guy B.: Hi Ron Compyprog: Are these chat's logged in case I crash? :) Ronald: Ahoy Maties rich-c: do as you please - follow Erin's example, or Daniels - your choice Tired Dr.D.: No prob it's okay, we all have fun with nicknames here Tired Dr.D.: Xena is about the most creative with it, thoughj. Daniel B.: If you want to change the username in the chat, then go in the menu Xena: :-) Tired Dr.D.: Hi Ron rich-c: ahoy yourself - is your island threatening to subside beneath Pacific waters? Ronald: Hi all Guy B.: Xena has to be Pam.
Compyprog changed username to frank the compy Xena: any word from James...speaking of Islands rich-c: no, Rin Guy B.: Where is she, Rin? frank the compy: Now I am frank the compy instead of compyprog Daniel B.: no, I've got no reply from james Tired Dr.D.: Yes I was just typing...what about James and the quake? Guy B.: I hope he is Ok. Xena: she is getting something to eat and will be on soon rich-c: be who you like, you are welcome whatever you choose
Xena changed username to Rin-the-Ginger rich-c: Guy, what hour of what day is the least hassle for driving around Chicago? Daniel B.: the Ginger? BobS: none richard Guy B.: Usually between 9 AM and 2 PM. Rin-the-Ginger: the Brits call their redheads "ginger" Rin-the-Ginger: or ging-er Daniel B.: I didn't know that BobS: 11pm at night the freeways are busy and going 80mph.......130km Guy B.: Andy after 6PM is better too. Everyone is usually home or getting home from work. BobS: thought you wanted to take the lake ferry across Tired Dr.D.: ging is the German past tense-or-other of the verb meaning "to go" rich-c: what about Sunday morning - enough of those good Christian truckers off the road to make a difference? frank the compy: If you all want to check out the Coleco work I did ...... go to cvdrum.atariage.com Guy B.: There are trucks on the weekends too, but they are not as numerous as they are during the week. rich-c: we found out we'd have to be aboard by 8 a.m. - settled that issue Daniel B.: your cvsynth web page is already up? Tired Dr.D.: I just saved that reference, Frankj. rich-c: we are toying with the idea of camping at Niles, MI Saturday night then taking an early run on Sunday Tired Dr.D.: Frank. frank the compy: I have some cvsynth stuff up but it is old stuff from the past versions..... but it is here at cvdrum.atariage.com/cvsynth.html Tired Dr.D.: BTW, my name is Rich, too, but since rich-c is more venerable than me, I go by Dr.D. Guy B.: I'm currently looking at two hotels that would seem to work for all of us in the Oakbrook Terrace area. rich-c: where is that? frank the compy: Yes Dr.D my hobby in the summer is to program music programs and jam! Keeps me fresh for the Fall :) Tired Dr.D.: I think rich-c is going to be especially venerable this coming Monday, right? Guy B.: Out west of Chicago about 15 miles from the city. rich-c: yes, I complete my third quarter-century Tired Dr.D.: Third quartile :-) Ronald: brb Guy B.: My friend Marsha, took me out to dinner last night at The Cheesecake Factory. Very elegant, but nice place. Tired Dr.D.: Looks like we are talking over their heads, Richard :-) rich-c: Guy, on Sunday morning would I n3eed to use !-80 & I-39 or would I-294 be tolerable? JUDY: we went there down in Florida acouple of years ago, Guy Guy B.: I-294 would bypass the city altogether, since you will be south and west of the city. I-294 is the Tri-State Tollway. Tired Dr.D.: Where are you going, Richard? rich-c: I know that, I've been on it, I don't want to meet that traffic again - is it fairly clear Sunday mornings? rich-c: Frances wants to see Taliesen Ronald: Cheezecake --- YUM JUDY: it was really good BobS: BUT, Guy....how's the construction situation......I heard it is BAD all around the city frank the compy: So you have programmed Biology Applications for the ADAM-- Dr.D? Guy B.: Yes it is. I've drivin it on Sundays and it's no problem. Be aware the tolls for cash are 80 cents. Ronald: not for people like me BobS: need some space to wander Ron???? BobS: :-) Ronald: Was referring to the cheezecake rich-c: in Toront gas is $1.02 a litre today. I should worry about an 80¢ toll? Ronald: here on the island we're at $1.06 per Litre - for regular JUDY: it went up to 2.79 a gallon here rich-c: the big pain will be getting the change - which I can't do because I don't know what the extra for the trailer will be Guy B.: The only constuction right now is the I-94/80 394 interchange. They are building a whole new entrance and exit ramps and that should be completed this year. The other is on I-294. from the 163rd St toll plaza to 95th St. They are adding a new fourth lane in each direction. That will be a 2 year project. It's underway now and will continue into next summer. BobS: THAT kids is getting pricey, eh?? BobS: we are probably going to hit $3 by Labor day Ronald: multiply our rate by 4 Bob (give or take) rich-c: what is that doing to traffic, Guy? (Do I want to know ; - ) ) Guy B.: Were at $2.83 here at some stations. Chicago is already over $3.00 a gallon. BobS: 3.8 Ronald: right BobS: and take the conversion, tis still a little higher than here Ron Tired Dr.D.: Frank, I built some special hardware for the ADAM center slot to synchronize video cameras. Ronald: your gallon is 4/5 or ours Ronald: or is it the other way around? Guy B.: Tying things up with lane closures. But, the project should be done by November of this year. Ronald: damned expensive, whatever it is rich-c: their gallon is 3.8 litres, ours is 4.5 Tired Dr.D.: I figured today that $2.79/gal was about 83 cents Canadian per liter BobS: well Guy, you HAVE to keep track of the road situation, we are driving into O'Hare in January rich-c: that won't help me the end of this month, Guy frank the compy: That sounds amazing Dr.D. JUDY: then they will start something else, Guy, construction never ends around here Tired Dr.D.: And that the 95 cents per liter I last paid in Toronto was $3.03 US per gallon. Ronald: Frank, have we met? Ronald: Ron Mitchell from Comox British Columbia rich-c: depends on exchange rate - the US dollar is under 1.20 Canadian today frank the compy: I don't believe we have, Ronald? Tired Dr.D.: The journal article (from J. Exp. Biol.) explains what it does in a bit of detail. Ronald: I'm the western tail of the organization Guy B.: If you want to bypass the construction. Then you can take I-90 Indiana Toll Road which will lead you to the Chicago Skyway and Dan Ryan. But, I think you would be better off on I-80/94. frank the compy: I am a programming friend of Daniel and Guy, I love to play with music and the Coleco Tired Dr.D.: But not enough for anyone to build one IIRC...I just described what it did, not really any circuit design like it was a EE senior project or something. rich-c: oh frank - you azsked if this chat is logged - yes it is Ronald: aha..... great guys, both rich-c: I-94 is awfully close in, isn't it? frank the compy: Cool that way I can look at the log if i miss something Tired Dr.D.: You can read 5 years' worth of back logs too Guy B.: It is. That's a busy highway. Tired Dr.D.: just start from http://adamcon.org/ Daniel B.: yes, and you can probably search for a word in google and found a link to one of the adamcon log archives. Tired Dr.D.: There is a link to the archives rich-c: I think Dale (our host) prefers the term "archived" Tired Dr.D.: Not sure I follow you Rich Ronald: Somebody want to fax me a can of Diet Coke, or do I have to go all the way to the fridge? frank the compy: Okay sorry archived :)
(Guy B. gives Ronald a can of Diet Coke.) Ronald: TU Guy B.: There you are Ron. JUDY: a fax copy is rather dry, Ron
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changed username to Dale Dale: Hi Daniel B.: HEllo Dale! Tired Dr.D.: He must want ginger ale then, Canada Dry <runs> Guy B.: Hi Dale. rich-c: well, just talking about you - hi, Dale JUDY: hi, Dale rich-c: our new visitor Frank was asking about archives Dale: Sorry I couldn't be here last week. But I'm just home from work, etc. and thought I'd check in. Rin-the-Ginger: hi Dale BobS: Hiya Dale !!!!!!!! Guy Foster: Ok, I'm back. Hi everyone!!! frank the compy: Hello Guy rich-c: welcome back, Guy Daniel B.: hey Dale, how is going your try for a 4k coleco minigame? Dale: The chat archives are posted as usual. JUDY: welcome back, Guy Guy Foster: Thanks Rich! Hi Frank. Guy Foster: hey there judy! Dale: Daniel, I've been working away. I'd still like to make a 1k minigame, but I haven't been able to fit either of my ideas into 1k. Ronald: Can of Diet Coke is now in hand Guy Foster: Come on Dale, its Guy Foster: only 1024 bytes! ;) how hard can it be? Ronald: Hi Mr. Foster Daniel B.: try 4k, it's easier Guy Foster: Hey Ron... seems like there's a full house tonight! Ronald: yup, that there is
frank the compy changed username to Frank E. Frank E.: Changed to Frank E. instead of the goofy compy thing rich-c: whatever turns you on, Frank Guy Foster: Frank: did you end up talking to Rich about the Adam computer you're looking for? Ronald: Oh we all try wierd names Frank, but then some nights we get serious Ronald: First names only Frank E.: So how capable is the ADAM when it comes to MIDI and music applications? Ronald: very Dale: The Adam is quite capable. Ronald: there is an interface called the MIDI Mite
Daniel B. changed username to Daniel Welcome Ronald: and a suite of software to go with it Ronald: that's the good news Frank E.: What music applications were created for it? rich-c: I have the last remaining Midi-Mite - is it worth his buying? Dale: Ron has done more generally than I, but I've done some interresting things with the Midi interface adaptor. Ronald: The bad news is that you might have trouble finding one Ronald: I would suggest it is, yes Frank E.: i hope rich can hook me up with one rich-c: it's sitting in my basement awaiting a buyer Guy Foster: Rich: How much Rich? rich-c: I hope I still have the software; I think I do Ronald: If not we can fix that
Daniel Welcome changed username to Daniel BRB rich-c: have to look it up, Guy. I think it is =/- $100 Cdn Ronald: Sequel, version 2, and PD MIDI utilities rich-c: sounds like something I have if I can only find it! Guy Foster: I'm sure Frank E. wll be interested. Frank E.: I would pay a resonable price. Are there any docs I should look at on the web concerning the midi stuff Ronald: sounds like it.... rich-c: he has asked already rich-c: nope, just ask Ron or Dale - they can tell you anything relevant Frank E.: In other words any great sites I should check out Guy Foster: Rich: Yes, we had talked earlier wonderng if a MIDI interface exists. Ronald: There was a good manual produced by the maker, Chris Braymen. I have it here Frank E.: How many voice polyphony? Guy Foster: Dale: I tried the CONTROL - R while booting up, but I still can't see my ADAM's version number? Frank E.: Just like the 3 channels Ronald: You've got 8 tracks, and 16 voices, I believe Frank E.: Whoa that is nice Dale: The MidiMite comes with some okay software, but the great software is SEQual which is a seperate application. It works great. Ronald: it takes the standard 0-127 range of program changes Frank E.: What all does MidiMite come with? Guy Foster: Man, the ADAM really impresses me. Oh BTW, I finally got one last week, from an ex ADAM user called Moe Sherman. Ronald: the only drawback is that there's no music notation editing capability Tired Dr.D.: The version number should show up in one of the SmartKey labels that was blank blue before Ronald: That was a resource problem I'm guessing Guy Foster: Thanks Dr. rich-c: and you hit the control-r just after the POST is completed and the screen is up Guy Foster: R57? Ronald: You can edit what you play, but you have to figure out which measure - which note from a text list of notes for each measure Dale: Daniel check out http://www.adamcon.org/~dmwick/minigames/chopli4k.rom rich-c: that's off teh ark - the final was R80 BobS: Guy.......boot it up and do NOT hit the ESCAPE button for word processing. hit control & R and the version # will show up inthe smartkey III posaition Dale: Which is what I have so far. Guy Foster: Dale: i was impressed with the choplifter game, really nice btw Dale. Dale: Sort of choplifter-ish.
Daniel BRB changed username to Daniel B. Guy Foster: So I have an older version? BobS: si Tired Dr.D.: YES Tired Dr.D.: I covet the ROM image of it... Ronald: There's also a set of PD drivers for it that will allow you to transfer your midi files to version readable by the ADAM sound chip Frank E.: How many versions are there? BobS: were R 57, 59& 80 rich-c: you may want advice from Dr. D. on how to make it work and keep it working Guy Foster: Dr. D: Is the only difference in the ROM? Tired Dr.D.: I saw an Expansion Module 3 system at ADAMcon 12 I think that was like R54 Dale: Guy, I took your encouragement to abandon the 1k format, and now you fly across a wide terrain, in 1.7k Tired Dr.D.: My first one was R59
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changed username to Pamela Tired Dr.D.: I have heard/seen R57 Ronald: re-hi Pamela rich-c: most Exp3 models I've seen were R79 rich-c: hello daughter, time you got here! Pamela: hi, there JUDY: hi, pam Tired Dr.D.: I have a total reassemblable disassembly of R80...I would like the others for comparison/historical purposes. Pamela: sorry, things to do Guy Foster: DR. D: I can dump the rom for you if you want. Daniel B.: very impressive for less than 2k Tired Dr.D.: Track bugfixes mostly...look for code fossils...some interesting stuff in there... Tired Dr.D.: That would be super Guy F Dale: r79 and r80 were the common ones in Toronto area. Frank E.: What version are the ones you have rich-c? Rin-the-Ginger: (no, I haven't checked mine yet) Daniel B.: doing that in C will normally takes me about 4k Guy Foster: Dr. D: Is the only difference in the ROM or are there anyy hardware differences? rich-c: I only ever keep R80s - I don't like bounces on my sales Tired Dr.D.: I think it was mainly bugfixes in the WP Rin-the-Ginger: hi Pam BobS: think it was basically the smartwriter rom,,,,,,,yes???? Daniel B.: hello Pam! rich-c: you got it from me, Rin, so it's R80 Tired Dr.D.: However, revisions are correlated in some cases with physical hardware differences. Pamela: hi, Rin Pamela: Hi, Daniel Rin-the-Ginger: okay Tired Dr.D.: I.e., my R59 was one of the ones that was totally reworked and jumpered all over to be fixed from the Christmas 1983 release. Pamela: Hi, Judy Guy Foster: Will I come across any hardware/software incompatibilities? Dale: Guy F, did you look at my latest chopper rom? Pamela: Hi, everybody BobS: lo Guy Foster: Dale: Yep, just played it... very cooL! Tired Dr.D.: It has 4 EPROM sockets filled, and both 6801s and the MIOC socketed. Tired Dr.D.: Hi Pam Guy Foster: Greetings Pam!
(Daniel B. hugs Pamela) Pamela: Rich, why so tired? Tired Dr.D.: Long day Pamela: ah Tired Dr.D.: Short night, you kept Rin out too late Dale: I'm going to keep working on it. I've drawn a fighter jet, and I'm still debugging the balistics for the tank. Tired Dr.D.: So we didn't get to talk until late Ronald: It's that workin' thing Dr D. You gotta get rid of that Dale: Hopefully I can finish it before the contest deadline.
(Guy B. gives Pamela a can of Diet Coke.) Rin-the-Ginger: hehe Tired Dr.D.: Also work-related headaches today. Daniel B.: contest deadline is end september Guy Foster: Mid to end of Septemeber. Pamela: hey, don't blame me, it's all Aunt Cynthia's fault : ) Ronald: work is a headache Rin-the-Ginger: exactly :-) Ronald: Keep tellin Bob that BobS: AND a four letter word!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tired Dr.D.: Well, this headache is partly due to the Americans with Disabilities Act Ronald: come to the Island, we'll lay you to rest Ronald: yup Daniel B.: (we are talking about his contest named minigame compo 2005 : http://www.ffd2.com/minigame/ ) Dale: There is some bug in my animation routine. The flames on the burning building are supposed to flicker, but they don't seem to. rich-c: oh? why are disability questions a problem for you? Frank E.: I wish I could write a game that fast Tired Dr.D.: I have a quadriplegic student who decided TODAY to take my comparative vertebrate anatomy lab...which is all dissection...I must find some way to "accommodate". Tired Dr.D.: If he had done this during spring preregistration, I would have had all summer to come up with something. JUDY: you don't need to tell him that, ron Ronald: ah yes - the policy so states, no doubt Tired Dr.D.: As it is, the first lab meets 2 weeks from tomorrow. rich-c: ouch - a para fine, but quad? you may have to invent some new devices BobS: see ???? Dr D is getting 'killed' by that work thingy Ronald: That's right Tired Dr.D.: He can move one hand enough to jiggle the joystick on his wheelchair, I am told. BobS: I have GOT to be careful here........ Ronald: he stilll has to fulfill your course requirements BobS: so like HOW the heck can he do the lab??????? Frank E.: Yes, that will be challenging Dr.D Dale: It seems like the 1k category is hard, because about have of last year's entries are "not done". Daniel B.: Dr.D is certainly more intelligent than me, I have no idea how he will be able to "accomodate" the course for this guy. Tired Dr.D.: That is not ADA's problem, it is mine/CWRU's. Guy Foster: Rich: Do you have any disk drives/controller cards? Ronald: yes, I supose you have to make every reasonable effort to make it possible for him BobS: disk drive controller card is onboard the disk drive Guy Guy Foster: Dr. D: How can you dissect if you can't use the tools? Frank E.: Does the college provide an aid? Ronald: by the way- speaking of dissection Ronald: Anybody want some slugs? Daniel B.: I don't think the power of mind is helpful BobS: nope Pamela: oh dear, again Ron? Ronald: Great wonderous Pacific Coast ones BobS: got ground squirrels here....nasty little suckers Ronald: yep, 'fraid so Daniel B.: helpful to use tools Tired Dr.D.: *IF* someone can provide a clueful assistant, I think I can do something for him. rich-c: I have one unused 3.5" disk drive left Guy Foster: Daniel: It's like writing a 1K mini games in C, it's just not possible. Pamela: Dr. D sized Pacific coast ones? Tired Dr.D.: I don't know if it is the student's responsibility, or the Department's, etc. Ronald: There was one headed for my back door the other night. Critter had crawled right up onto the step and was about 1 foot from being inside Tired Dr.D.: I am waiting to hear from the Educational Support Services here that handles disability cases. JUDY: no, don't want them having enough trouble with ground squirrels Dale: Jill has some baby squirrels. Shes looking for foster parents for them. Tired Dr.D.: Slugs R fun Tired Dr.D.: Slugs are not tasty though JUDY: we got one but there are more Rin-the-Ginger: hehe BobS: spread broken eggshells all over the porch Ron Pamela: is that personal experience, Rich? Ronald: Cheezies kill 'em Frank E.: Edinboro U in Pa provides aids for students with disabilities BobS: cool Ronald: cheezies will also kill me Tired Dr.D.: Nope, just reasonable inference from internal anatomy Daniel B.: the smallest sized game I can program in C for the ColecoVision is probably 3k... but don'T expect many sounds and animations Frank E.: But I don't know if my school does. I guess I should look into that too JUDY: never heard of them before this year, almost look like a chipmonk rich-c: yes, they are cute little devils, very friendly Pamela: interesting Judy - you see lots of them out west - look like chipmunks, but bigger rich-c: but they're western beasts, don't know how you got them Dale: Well, in 2k I can do wonderous things. Music, graphics, even game play. Tired Dr.D.: Like I said, I would like to have known in April instead of 2 weeks before classes start...sigh. JUDY: nasty little creatures Dale: In 1k, it seems I can do graphics or music or gameplay. Pamela: nasty how? rich-c: maybe you should find out what Stephen Hawkings uses... Frank E.: That is the nature of the students--Procrastination JUDY: making holes in the mulch Pamela: Hawking is a physicist, though, isn't he? Tired Dr.D.: Hawking has more resources than me rich-c: I know, Frank, if it were a major we'd all be laureates Pamela: you are right, Frank Tired Dr.D.: And more mobility than this student Dale: But of course that is in assembler not in C. Rin-the-Ginger: well kids...time for me to hit the hay....5:30 bells Pamela: and I'd have graduated summa cum laude Daniel B.: congratulation Guy F., your 4k game is accepted in the contest. and i can see now even more 1k and 4k game. Rin-the-Ginger: have a good night and week all Tired Dr.D.: me too, brain is shutting down, sigh Pamela: ick, Rin rich-c: take it easy Ron, see you Monday Ronald: damn work thing again eh Rin? Rin-the-Ginger: I know!! Pamela: nighty night Rin-the-Ginger: :-) JUDY: night. Rin Daniel B.: bye 'rin Frank E.: Bona Sera rich-c: sorry, night RIN Tired Dr.D.: Work and houseguests Tired Dr.D.: make everyone tired Guy Foster: Serial number of the R57 adam is A 5013790 Ronald: Rin, Ron, ----- she's better looking than me Tired Dr.D.: Nite nite all...and nice to meet you, Frank. Biologie u"ber alles! rich-c: well, I didn't want to say anything, Ron, but... Ronald: I know Tired Dr.D.: <poof> Rin-the-Ginger: night Judy, Daniel, Frank, Uncle R, Riches, Guy, Ron, Bobs, Guy, Pam and Dale Frank E.: Likewise Dr.D
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Rin-the-Ginger left chat session Ronald: Night Rin - go straight home now Guy Foster: DALE: YES, IT'S AN R57 Daniel B.: you are leaving too Guy F? Guy Foster: Sorry for the caps. :) Dale: Defiantely rare. Guy Foster: daniel: no, i'm staying, i'm saying goodbye to the people that are leaving. Daniel B.: ok rich-c: Maybe he should swap it to Rich for an R80 Guy Foster: it comes in a quasi-mint box too. Dale: If you take it all apart, I'd be interested in seeing pictures of the traces on the back side of the bottom board. Frank E.: He's a lucky GUY ...haha Ronald: What's the trick for determining which Revision you have? (In smartwriter somewhere, no?) Daniel B.: hehe Guy Foster: I'm going to take it apart, dump the Roms for Dr. D, and take pics. Pamela: groan, Frankie rich-c: after the POST, hit control-R, Ron Ronald: that's it Frank E.: Sorry for the shameless pun. I couldn't resist Pam Dale: Aparently the full production ones are all r79 or r80 but the r57s needed to be rewired a bit. rich-c: it shows in the III "Smartwriter" box on the entry screen Pamela: 'salright, we like puns here Guy Foster: Frank: Watch it, i'm not the only "Guy" here. We can gang up on you. Pamela: why is M. Bona so quiet? Dale: In the smart typewriter before you hit escape, hit Control+R Frank E.: Hey Guy is my father's name too. Small world Guy Foster: The tape mechanism seems to not function properly, instead of reading the tape, it simply keeps on trying to rewind it all the time. rich-c: Dale, why don't you swap Guy a surplus R80 for his R57? Guy Foster: A fully loaded R80? :-D :-D Pamela: you make it sound like a Corvette, Guy Frank E.: And then send one of the puppies down across the lake too. :D rich-c: don't ge4t greedy, Guy - say rather one that works for one that doesn't Ronald: right...... like WOW !! Guy Foster: Rich: it works Rich... Pamela: I know this is redundant, Frank, but I was late after all. Where are you from? Frank E.: Erie PA USA rich-c: somewhat, for a while - but R57s have an earned reputation... Daniel B.: Rich means about the noumberous bugs fixed between revision 57 and the revision 80 Pamela: ah, okay Pamela: a hop skip and a jump away Guy Foster: Well it'll be fun to take pics of this thing... Dale: Guy, I'll see what I can do for you. Guy B.: Me quiet? Frank E.: Guy: did you ever get the sound going? rich-c: and archive them on Rich's Adam website with the rest of the CV technical stuff Dale: I may be able to get you one from an MTAG member. Frank E.: Guy F that is Pamela: yes, you Mr. Bona Guy Foster: Frank: I didn't get the connetor yet... Ronald: Somebody at my door BRB Guy Foster: Off to get a screwdriver... will disassemble it while chatting. :) Daniel B.: be right back Frank E.: Is it just an RCA cable or more complex? rich-c: wonder if Tom Mackie out in Saskatoon still has that Adam stuff he was offering? Frank E.: Was the Adam more popular in Canada than the US? Guy Foster: Frank: It's a DIN connetor I believe. Ronald: I'm hearing things Frank E.: Oh good old DIN like a midi cable Dale: Frank, it was sold to the public in Canada for one year more than in the US, Frank E.: Oh I see rich-c: per capita I think it was - all the H&R Block stores used them Dale: That means that there were a lot of "late" adopters in Canada. Frank E.: Really taxes done on the Adam, Cool rich-c: Coleco wrote a specific program for them - Coleco had a major base in Montreal rich-c: Block used them until electronic filing came in Frank E.: Really when was e-filing adapt up there? Frank E.: *adapted Dale: Guy, it is a 7 or 8 pin DIN connector (of which there are 2 styles) rich-c: for commercial maybe ten years ago, but for the general public only 2 - 3 years Guy Foster: 7 pin over here. Dale: And at AdamCon I connected the sound using paperclips and an RCA cable, while I was playing the videogames from my session on Saturday. rich-c: it is still voluntary; most private individuals still do it on paper Pamela: is that a variant of pushpins, Dale? Frank E.: McGyver's in the house :) Frank E.: Yeah do what works Dale: It seems to me that sound is in the right spot that you can use a more common 5 pin DIN connector. Dale: For sound and composite video off of a DIN connector you need the proper 7 pin one. Frank E.: So then a DIN simple to what is used in MIDI cable should work? rich-c: yes, and they're hard to come by now that Radio Shack is "no more" Frank E.: I mean similar Frank E.: So is the ADAM stereo? Dale: I've been using paper clips instead of DIN connectors since I got my TRS-80 model 100 portable computer in 1985. Ronald: Some of us were worse..... we used pushpins Ronald: mentioning no names of course Dale: on the m100, it was the modem that used a DIN connector. And the RadioShack cable was $75 -- out of my price range. BobS: and alligator clips !!!!!!! Pamela: says Ron, studiously looking at the ceiling rich-c: I'd hold that "worse" for further examination, Ron Ronald: :( Ronald: you may have a point Rich Dale: Frank, no the first system that was stereo was several years later. rich-c: at least pushpins have insulated tops Guy Foster: Man there sure a lot of screws on this ADAM, more than I anticipated. Frank E.: Darn stereo would be nice. So it is basically exactly like the ColecoVision for sound? Dale: And you need a long handled screwdriver to reach them all. rich-c: yeah, that is one place where Coleco did not cut corners BobS: Guy, they did not want it to break open when dropped Ronald: Oh Hey..... next year we have to have a "Take Apart the ADAM " contest Dale: Colecovision exactly unless you get the MidiMite. Ronald: Daniel can be one of the contestants rich-c: and I hope you have a long enough Phillips or it's gonna be a LONG night Pamela: I'll do it Ron, if you'll coach me Guy Foster: It seemed nicely assembled though, not done in haste like i would have expected. Ronald: you're on kid Frank E.: So what all does the MIDIMite come with? Dale: Pam was up for one this year, but ... JUDY: not me, I already lost once Pamela: yeah, Erin wasn't that keen BobS: PAM chickened OUT Ronald: 2 standard midi cables, the manual, and the software, Sequel 2 Ronald: There's also ( I believe) a PD disk of Christmas carols Dale: MidiMite comes with in, out and thru, a .MID player utility, and a mini sequencing program. Pamela: t'wasn't me, Bob but I didn't want to force Erin into it and she didn't seem too comfortable Frank E.: Is the software on Tape or Cart? Dale: The enhanced sequencing program was seperate, and came out a year later. Ronald: was a tape originally, but Chris sent me a couple of updates on disk Dale: Usually distributed on floppy, but I'm sure it'd work on tape. rich-c: doesn't matter, almost all disc software can be copied to tape cartridges Frank E.: So you should have a floppy drive too, then? Dale: The SEQual software made extensive use of a memory expander too. Guy B.: No, she's a secretary with the VA at Hines Hospital. Ronald: There's also two earlier programs - one would play a list of midi files, and the other would transfer Videotunes files to MIDI format Ronald: (forgotten the names of them) Dale: I'd recommend a disk drive or hard disk. rich-c: disc drives are prertty hard to come by these days, Dale Frank E.: Sounds like the ADAM is a lost musical treasure, that needs rediscovered Ronald: yes, especially if you're going to play something like the annual Christmas Card Dale: Not required, but recommended. rich-c: Ron has opinions on that dsubject, as valid as they are prejudiced 8 - ) Ronald: Well, Chris developed all of this in the late '80s and I don't think he attracted the interest with it that he expected Ronald: :) BobS: and maybe the interest it deserved Frank E.: I have done some pretty crazy things with just the ColecoVision and music. I would like more power Dale: He demoed it at AdamCon 01, and released it later. rich-c: well, I think the pricing was an issue - $100 was serious money back then Frank E.: I need to complete my all Coleco/Adam band :D Ronald: that's right. It was really quite a piece of work, but you pretty much had to be able to play a keyboard to use it rich-c: well, the Adam gives you 64K of memory to play with, which is a good start Pamela: you sound like Tim Allen, Frank Guy B.: I have a Midi Mite, but I haven't used it. Don't have a Midi keyboard. Guy Foster: Frank wrote the tune for my mini game competition entry... rich-c: I've been holding back the MIDI for Frances' use, but she hasn't touched her keyboard for years and is deep into the Amiga now Frank E.: I have a SK-1 keyboard. Anyone remember those? You could sample any sound and patch it across the keyboard Ronald: I still find it easier to develop my scratch MIDI file with the ADAM. It's more user friendly than the newer stuff - or maybe it's because I'm just used to it Pamela: forgive the ignorance, but how does a Midi keyboard differ? Frank E.: I would love to develop something on Coleco/ADAM that could do sampling Guy B.: I won that back in the 90's. Still in it's original box. Dale: Ron, I've tried other software, but SEQual was an amazing program. rich-c: it's a keyboard with a MIDI output, Pam Pamela: which is as clear as mud, Dad Ronald: A MIDI keyboard is an electronic piano PAM - with output/input for other MIDI devices Ronald: including the computer rich-c: OK, it's one that lets you record exactly your playing onto disc or tape Frank E.: It is a keyboard that can output data about the note, velocity of the note and other things Pamela: ah, okay Ronald: there's a standard list of instruments called the General Midi Standard, that keyboards mostly adhere to Ronald: so 1 is always a Grand Piano, 57 is a trumpet - etc etc Pamela: and you have one of these Dad? Guy B.: Well folks. Going to call the night. I'm working again this Saturday. Will see you all next week. Ronald: there's that WORD again Pamela: Guy, you have got to stop working on weekends! Frank E.: Nice to meet you Guy B rich-c: OK, goodnight Guy Ronald: Hell, he's got to stop working period Dale: My keyboard doesn't have velocity information or vibrato. I've always missed those features, but they tend to double the cost of the unit. Guy B.: We're bombarded and the extra money helps. JUDY: night Fuy Ronald: it's bad for the health I tell ya JUDY: that is Guy BobS: WORK !!!!!! everybody HIDE !!!!!! Ronald: oh... yes..... money Ronald: aya Pamela: all you have to do is arrange one little lottery, Ron Dale: see ya Guy B Guy Foster: ARGH!!! I have a botch job of an ADAM. It even has hand written stickers on the EPROMS... haha. rich-c: yeah, we're in favour of money BobS: but Guy does it WORK?????? Guy B.: We usually peak this month, so it will get better. See you all next week. Guy B.: Poof Ronald: geez!! Pamela: dont' work too hard
Guy B. left chat session BobS: thatis the main thing....I think I have a R57 down stairs also and it works, so don't knock it Frank E.: Are they scratch and sniff -- Guy F. Those were popular at the time Dale: Guy, it is an early one -- 100% defective rate, or so the QA manager told us at AdamCon 02. BobS: nite Guy rich-c: that's how they were built, and for its historical value it is preferable to an R80, Guy Guy Foster: I'm taking pics and will be posting it up in a few minutes.... Guy Foster: If anyone cares to see that is. Ronald: certainly Frank E.: Sure Guy Foster: I see ALF written on the EPROM stickers... wonder what that is. BobS: a caartoon chaaracter rich-c: Dale, Dr.D, and the other techies will be fascinated Guy Foster: EOS 6 REV. 57 Pamela: Dale, do you the pics from convention Sunday up yet? Frank E.: So is Adam an acronym? Pamela: sorry, do you have Dale: I think that hand written EPROM stickers were a very common practice at the time. Made by hands, you know. BobS: eos7 was in the r80 was it not? Guy Foster: Franke: Adam, Eve, Apple. Get the connetion? :-D rich-c: Oh wow, EOS 6 - aren't the common ones all OS7, Dale? Ronald: don't believe so Guy Foster: It says EOS 6 Ronald: didn't Adam Osbourne have something to do with the name? Ronald: Not sure Frank E.: So does Guy have a rare gem? Dale: Pam, I've got them here somewhere.. I should really post them before I forget. Pamela: we need historian Neil or Murray rich-c: If you'e a techie, I'd say that he does Ronald: exactly Dale: Frank, it is a pun on Apple -- Adam is supposed to have an Apple compatible BASIC. Ronald: ah..... Pamela: please don't forget Dale, I'm using Dr. D's group photo as wallpaper at work and I'd like to have a variety Frank E.: Nice compatible to Apple II then? BobS: and Eve Electronics was probably namde after the ADAM Frank E.: I have an Apple II/e BobS: or did hank make other sytem harware as well????? rich-c: Not really, Frank - there are critical differences Dale: Richard OS7 is the CV game rom, the EOS ROM is EOS 6. Ronald: I have a Mac SE and an SE30 rich-c: Dale, are those because Apple has a Motorola processor and Adam an Intel with conflicting instruction sets? BobS: gott \a run kids........see ya'll next week, eh?????? Ronald: but I've culled my herd considerably JUDY: well all think I will call it a night, talk to you next year BobS: GOOD tis settled then NEXT WEEK it is !!!!!!!! Pamela: night, Bob and Judy JUDY: that is next week
BobS left chat session Dale: Pam, I made a compilation CD-ROM that I gave to everyone who attended that I could find on the Monday. Chock full of stuff. Frank E.: 6502 vs. Z80A right Ronald: next year? Ronald: yes rich-c: night Bob and Judy - see you next week Dale: Maybe I could burn you one. I got pictures from almost everyone. Pamela: that would be lovely Ronald: nite Bob, night Judy Frank E.: Good night bob and judy Pamela: want to mail it? Dale: Z80a is from Zilog not Intel. Ronald: At one time Frank, I had 25 computers - all the way from Timex Sinclair thru 386 to various versions of Mac....and an Apple II3 Dale: Zilog is a company started by former Intel employees. Ronald: IIe Pamela: this is what I get for disappearing after Sunday night Guy Foster: Zilog rocks! rich-c: Oops! I knew that! But it used the Intel instruction set, didn't it? Ronald: had to downsize Dale: The cpu is different, but the Basic was almost exactly the same. Dale: Handy for type in programs from magazines. Ronald: until you got to calling, poking and peeking Frank E.: Whoa a collection to envy there Ronald Frank E.: so the Apple II is more like the Atari 2600 same processor rich-c: you never saw his apartment in Ottawa... Frank E.: The Coleco uses a similar processor to the one used in modern TI calculators rich-c: yes, Apple, Atari and Amiga were the principal Motorola users Pamela: Hey Ron, have you gotten any wedding pics yet? Dale: The coleco uses the same processor that is in the GameBoy, and GameBoy Colour. Ronald: now I have only a few - an eMac, an iMac, an iBook, a Powerbook an AMD Duron box, and 5 Adams Frank E.: Oh yes I can't forget the GameBoy too Dale: The GB Advanced uses a 16bit cpu that is closely related to the Z80 rich-c: I've always wondered how Gary Kildall made CP/M work on computers with different instruction sets Pamela: sheesh, I'm a piker with only an AMD K6 II and a P100 notebook Ronald: not yet Pamela, the newlyweds will be here for labour day weekend, and they're bringing the proofs with them rich-c: proofs? proofs? no jpeg files? Pamela: well don't forget to post some Ron
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