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changed username to BobS BobS: Hi richard BobS: how are you? rich-c: hi Boib see you are on early again BobS: yup. rich-c: as usual, creaking, but hey, comes in the package, right? BobS: was going to go shopping after the church dinner, but too tired so came on home BobS: probably, Judy would agree BobS: she just got a heck of a back pain, right at the bottom BobS: probably out fo whack rich-c: Oh - well if nothing else, with the prednisone I'm busting with energy these days rich-c: wake at 5 a.m. then half-doze to 7, and up rich-c: yes, I have a nasty lower back pain too at the moment, know how she must feel rich-c: oh - Dr. D. had his operation today, hopes to join us later rich-c: it was late - scheduled for 11.30 but they didn't start cutting till 1.30 rich-c: still he was to be home for dinner and fit to type after BobS: good deal BobS: today, some surguries go pretty well rich-c: apparently - they did a laproscopic (obviously) adn it went as it was supposed to BobS: that is a good thing rich-c: I remember when I had mine done, they insisted a relative (Pam, in this case) drive me home BobS: and they didn't ????? rich-c: I was miffed; could have driven it myself rich-c: Rich had a friend to do it BobS: well, they take precautions rich-c: he was the one who phoned and reported to Cynthia, who relayed to Erin and us rich-c: yes, if they dont and things do wrong, it can be expensive
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changed username to Daniel Bienvenu Daniel Bienvenu: hello rich-c: sqalut, Daniel Daniel Bienvenu: bonsoir rich Daniel Bienvenu: hi Bob rich-c: salut, Daniel Daniel Bienvenu: I'm at my job right now, finishing a last thing before tomorow rich-c: how are things in Quebec today?
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changed username to Pamela BobS: hi Daniel Daniel Bienvenu: not too cold.. rich-c: another assignment with one of those "by yesterday" deadlines - the day before they assign it? Pamela: hi, all rich-c: hi daughter Daniel Bienvenu: it's the meeting at Montreal in a couple of hours rich-c: got a copy of Hub for you BobS: hey Pamela Pamela: thanks, Dad rich-c: you know Rich's operation was a success? Pamela: I haven't heard anything since the e-mail Pamela: was it? rich-c: the only question now is whether he will get to join us later tonight
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: email? cynthia phoned and told us Pamela: have you heard anything since? Pamela: ah, okay
changed username to Dr. D. Pamela: well Rich, your ears must be burning Pamela: how are you feeling? rich-c: just wondering if you'd make it, Rich - we hear all went well Dr. D.: sore Dr. D.: not from incisions, they are okay Pamela: I'll bet Dr. D.: it is shoulder and neck pain from the CO2 gas bubbles rich-c: yes, but that will go away soon enough - how many incisions did they need? Pamela: that sucks : ( Dr. D.: sitting here with heating pad over my shoulder Dr. D.: 4 Richard rich-c: I suspect that's standard - same as I had - real small Dr. D.: navel, above navel, lower right corner, upper right corner rich-c: yup Pamela: so no more bikinis for you : ) Dr. D.: Stitches internally for the muscle, but skin is just Super Glue rich-c: yes, ain't progress wonderful? Dr. D.: I shaved my hairy pelt Tuesday morning so that there would be no tape-removal pains rich-c: and I assume the stitches are the type they leave to dissolve on their own Dr. D.: No tape on abdomen, but it was a godsend for the chest with the 12 EKG leads. Dr. D.: Also shaved back of hands to avoid same problem with IVs. rich-c: good forethought Dr. D.: They all said I was clever...well, it was a way to assert some control over the process Pamela: hey, the less pain you have to handle, the better. Good call on your part. Dr. D.: No pain at all ripping off the tape. Dr. D.: Just now I look bare rich-c: it's not one of those things that springs immediately to mind for most of us - to our regret Dr. D.: I have too much fur to forget it, I am like a Yeti Dr. D.: So I am just sitting here. rich-c: it doesn't take much hair to make the process pretty uncomfortable Dr. D.: Had to increase font size way up because my eyes are still not focussing well after the anaesthesia Dr. D.: When I awoke I had double vision and could not get eyes to converge Dr. D.: They said normal normal normal rich-c: well, at least you can do that - computers make life easier Pamela: you certainly sound okay - no spelling or syntax errors Pamela: any pain meds? Dr. D.: I evidently slept longer than they intended, but no worries rich-c: yes, there are anesthetitcs that leave the eyeballs sort of spinning ;-) Dr. D.: I am to alternate 2 Tylenol and 3 ibuprofen every 2 hours rich-c: justOTC stuff? not even a Tylenol2 or 3? Dr. D.: The Tylenol is supposed to be better for the CO2 pains in muscles, and so far they are right. Dr. D.: Nope. Pamela: that bodes well Dr. D.: Surgeon said up-front Monday that he didn't give narcotics Dr. D.: no prob for me, I have never tolerated codeine well rich-c: that's why they rate laproscropy a low-trauma technique rich-c: I tolerate it very easily, I just don't like it - and it clogs the plumbing Dr. D.: Only had it a few times, but each time it altered perceptions, I saw an eyeball on the ceiling once when it was just the old painted-over bezel for a ceiling lamp Pamela: it's a nasty high, T3 is Dr. D.: The morphine in the ER last month just made me sleep, but they pushed it into the IV too fast (so said the anaesthesiologist today when I asked her about it) and it made breathing hard for a minute or so. rich-c: that is not a problem I have encountered and when I had my hip done I had first a morphine pump, then T3s like candy Dr. D.: Rin wasn't too spacey when she took them for her oral surgery, but she took them only at night. rich-c: they do seem to make it easier to get to sleep rich-c: and after oral surgery, you need them Pamela: you can say that again, Dad - you were spacey for the first few days after the surgery Dr. D.: Guess that is why drugs and alcohol etc. were never an attraction for me :-S Dr. D.: If that feeling is why people take them, they can have it, nothing pleasant about it to me Pamela: it's all about control - why some people hate taking anything that removes control Pamela: and I'm with you on that one rich-c: as you know I am fond of my beer and wine - but only to a limited level rich-c: and yes, the control issue is significant - I want to run my brain, not have some chemical do it Dr. D.: hehe the tech who gave me the IV relaxer first said "it will make you feel like you've had too many Margaritas"...I said I wouldn't know, never had one, don't drink...she was kinda shocked Dr. D.: But all said I was very healthy, too healthy to have a gallstone. rich-c: these days TA is very much a rarity, though strict moderation is common Dr. D.: Well, I brought it home in a bottle in a Biohazard bag :-) rich-c: oh, didn't they keep it for the pathology lab to audit? Pamela: have you looked at it? rich-c: yeah, the spoilsport docs kept all of mine for themselves Dr. D.: Holding the bottle right now, it is clear...they just put them in a dry bottle, but I filled it with 70% alcohol. Pamela: and what would you have done with it, Dad? : ) Dr. D.: They cut it in half, then cut a half in half for the pathologists...and gave me the rest. Pamela: it is snocone shaped as originally thought? rich-c: shown it to you - who knows, you might have inherited it some day ;-) BobS: tis not a trophy Dr d..........just a pain in the ....... Dr. D.: It's like a grape 2 cm in diameter, one end kinda pointy. Pamela: thanks, I'll pass : )
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changed username to Guy B. Pamela: Hello, Guy Dr. D.: My students in anatomy wanted to see it, so I am obliging them. Guy B.: Greetings All! BobS: hi guy rich-c: good evenijng Guy, what weather are you holding there for us? Pamela: any idea what it would feel like to the touch, Rich? Guy B.: Cooler today and most of our snow has melted. Dr. D.: Like a wet wooden marble right now, I think.
moved to room Meeting Place Dr. D.: Probably like a rock if I let it dry out, which I may do at some point...just wanted to make sure it was "disinfected" for now. rich-c: we are warm and ratehr breezy - my first garbage bag took off for Halifax tonight before I could get the rest out Pamela: for some reason I though it would feel greasy
changed username to Manta rich-c: had a high of 8 today - call it a bit under 50° Dr. D.: It might, yeah...but I didn't tough it "raw". Manta: Hello all. Sorry I disapeared the last few times. :) Pamela: hi, Manta Manta: Hi Pamela rich-c: greetings, Manta Guy B.: HI Manta Manta: Hello Pamela: that wind was raw though, Dad Manta: Hi Giy Pamela: brb, gonna go say goodnight to Russell rich-c: chill, but not too bad Manta: Guy Dr. D.: Rin just got home from a late night at work, so I think I am going to logout and talk to her some. BobS: K Dr D rich-c: yes, I guess you'd better - gflad you got on though, Rich - heal well Dr. D.: I spoke to her briefly when I first got home, she phoned. My Dad kept her apprised throughout the day, he and Gail brought me home. Dr. D.: I will try...good night to all BobS: nite Dr. D.: <poof>
Dr. D. left chat session Daniel Bienvenu: bonsoir Dr.D Guy B.: Off he goes rich-c: well, that is a relief - I don't think complictions are likely, it's a very simple operation these days Guy B.: I have a scanned photo of Annie with Santa Claus if anyone would like a copy. BobS: yes, glad to see he is in good spirits and seems good and healthy rich-c: still and visit to hospital for any reason leaves one just a little concerned rich-c: since I have yet to see the pooch, how about emailing it to me? Pamela: I would love a copy, Guy Pamela: sorry I missed Rich leaving - glad to hear he's okay rich-c: yes, he's gone to talk to Rib on the phone Pamela: he types better on the meds than most of us do straight : ) rich-c: (PRIVATE) so do you know yet where you want to eat dinner on the 25th? Pamela: (PRIVATE) Guy, please send it to my work address - email@example.com Pamela: (PRIVATE) haven't thought about it yet Dad - will have to factor in some things first Guy B.: (PRIVATE) Ok, on the way. Pamela: (PRIVATE) especially if we have everyone coming here on the 26th, and BTW Lindsay will be joining us for dinner rich-c: (PRIVATE) understood, but do let us know soon as you have a reading rich-c: expected that Lindsay would be there, that's why I got the wine in a liter bottle ;-) rich-c: (PRIVATE) oops - sorry about that Pamela: (PRIVATE) Christmas day is no big deal, Dad since we're doing dinner on Boxing Day - I may just stay home Pamela: (PRIVATE) no prob : ) Daniel Bienvenu: sorry, I have to go now... Pamela: still at work Daniel? Daniel Bienvenu: bonne semaine rich-c: (PRIVATE) yes, the only thught is we have no plans so if you wanted to come by I doubt anyone would complain Daniel Bienvenu: yes, and tomorow it's meeting at Montreal. long trip BobS: be good Daniel Pamela: well good luck and goodnight : ) rich-c: a la prochaine, Daniel Pamela: I guess that's backwards, isn't it rich-c: just hope they make you a job offer there - good enough you can afford to take it rich-c: bon voyage et bonne chance rich-c: Guy, did you see Joe Blenkle's posting on the ADAMnet today? Pamela: wow, quiet all of a sudden Pamela: Manta, where are you located again? Guy B.: On the DosBox? Manta: so. cal. Manta: close to los angeles rich-c: which part of SoCal? rich-c: lots of people in that area, for sure ;-) Manta: a city called south gate rich-c: no, about running the Emulator under XP. Guy BobS: seems he has a problem unique to one computer only Manta: about ten miles south east of downtown l.a. BobS: had the same stuff here with IE 6 rich-c: is that perhaps a new one? don't recall it from my visits there, but they were long ago BobS: darn thing...... Pamela: I just happen to ahve the road atlas out and found it Manta: what? south gate? Daniel Bienvenu: talk to you next week rich-c: ten miles from downtown isn't very far out Pamela: now why does Southgate ring a bell? Daniel Bienvenu: * poof * BobS: nite Daniel Pamela: nite Daniel
Daniel Bienvenu left chat session Manta: we used to have a GM plant here years ago Manta: nite Guy B.: And out he goes Pamela: I know, I'm thinking of Northgate which was the epicentre of the last earthquake, was it not? rich-c: if you are running Windows or any app under it, expect problems - right, Bob? Manta: the city next door, Lynwood, is the birthplace of Wierd Al, Kevin Costner, Manta: you are thinking of Northridge. and that is in the valley Pamela: oh, okay rich-c: in short, close, no cigar Manta: ;) rich-c: anyway Guy I suggested Joe join us tonight as you could help, but I don't see him yet Pamela: interestingly enough, I'm rereading Sue Grafton's books at the moment, set about an hour north of LA in a fictional town called Santa Teresa rich-c: of course it's still early dinnertime on the left coast BobS: kind if like that Richard BobS: Window (all versions) are rather screwya t times Manta: an hour north sounds like the other side of valencia, home of magic mountain rich-c: I'm having a problem with Windows Update at the moment - got .NET 2.0 and 3.0 downloade3d and installed, but 1.1 crashed me out rich-c: so I have a nice little girl in Beijing looking into it Pamela: allegedly it's close to Santa Maria and San Luis Obispo rich-c: Sue Grafton - "M is for murder" sort of series? Manta: that's more than an hour from l.a. santa barbara is about two hours away. with mild traffic Manta: ah Pamela: yes Dad Manta: btw, i have an adam question, rich-c: I thought Santa Barbara was pretty much on the north edge of L.A. rich-c: so ask it - that's basically what this chat is for BobS: Pam......judy read Sue Grafton to the end.........at least thru S
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changed username to Guy B. Pamela: Oh? I read Janet Evanovich when she was writing romance novels and have looked at the 123 books. I'll take that under advisement, try one and let you know
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BobS confirmed ban Pamela: well, I have to spend my Chapters gift cards on something : ) Guy B.: (PRIVATE) Annie's photo is waiting for you. rich-c: likely you just timed out with inqactivity BobS: she says "you;ll LOVE them" rich-c: yes, I have a couple of Chapters credits now from doing surveys Guy B.: No, I'm using tabbed browsing with FireFox and somehow the chat window came up again on me. Pamela: (PRIVATE) thank you, Guy - I can use it for wallpaper on my computer at work : ) Pamela: (PRIVATE) then, I get to explain to everyone exactly who it is : ) Pamela: last Christmas, between Erin, Lindsay and Emily, Russell and I ended up with nearly $200 in gift cards from Chapters rich-c: well, that should hold you for a few weeks, then Pamela: Bob, tell Judy the next time I'm in Chapters I'll get the first book Manta: i take it chapters is a large chain bookstore like barnes & nobles here Pamela: yes, Manta - Chapters / Indigo is the only large bookselling chain here rich-c: yes, actually a complex - Chapters-Indigo-Coles Manta: cool. most of ours here have a starbucks within them Pamela: as do ours rich-c: it stated with Coles, who started brokering (as it were) high school text books down through the grades back when we had to buy our own books Manta: then again starbucks are everywhere. :) BobS: Pam......library is cheaper Pamela: but Bob, I have to give them back to the library! rich-c: as the decades went by, Coles went upscale and added Chapters rich-c: then Indigo tried to do a B&N imitation, ended up merging with (buying out, actually) Chapters/Coles Pamela: actually Dad, Coles merged or bought out WH Smith, and eventually all the stores were closed and replaced with Chapters, which was bought out by Indigo rich-c: it was Coles bought out Smith, IIRC Pamela: ya gotta realize, Bob, I keep my books forever Manta: every company buys everyone nowadays. shocked me that k-mart bought sears Pamela: my place is wallpapered in them rich-c: K-Mart bought Sears? I missed that - but then K-Mart died here and Sears Canada is independent Pamela: I got my first Sue Grafton book in the winter of 1992 Manta: yes, after k-mart got out of bankruptcy, they bought sears. you can now find craftsman brand tools and such things at the local k-mart here Manta: i am an arthur clarke fan :) and niven rich-c: I remember when K-Mart was just Kreesges, a competitor to Woolworth's in the five-and-dime trade Pamela: ah, a pure sci-fi fan BobS: but with libraries, you could still get them and read ove Pamela: I prefer fantasy myself Manta: i miss woolworths and well the other was called either newberry or kress stores rich-c: well, you need to have more than one author on your list to be a science fiction fan Guy B.: We have some K-Marts that were converted to Sears Essentials and they bombed out. Now Sears will convert them to Sears Grand which will have grocery items as well as Sears and K-Mart items. rich-c: I like Gordon R. Dickson, and the Alan Maker series Manta: btw, i have a pic of me on the web if anyone is curious to see what i look like rich-c: yes, Wal-Mart is trying to come in here and give everyone a hard time, but I think they will bomb out on the groceries rich-c: got a url for us to copy, then? Guy B.: That's one place where that's busy all the time is Wal-Mart. Manta: of course. i help run a website to an 80's singer buddy of mine. www.dalebozzio.org rich-c: you know of course there are all sorts of pictures of us around, from the convention websites Manta: when you enter the site, i am the guy on the right with dale. rich-c: try http:/adam.hollowdreams.com (that right, Bob?) Manta: btw, i was 240 in that pic. i am now 180. :) Pamela: wow, Manta - that's great! rich-c: good on you - years ago I found it appropriate to lose about 60 lbs. too - I have kept it off since Manta: thanks :) rich-c: been there, done that, know how tough it is - congrats to you rich-c: anyway, while I go get my beer, want to ask your Adam question? Manta: thank you. BobS: nope..........think it is http://hollowdreams.com Manta: yes, what is the main disadvantage of expansion module 3 to the stand alone unite besides the obvious hook up to a coleco Manta: i am on the adam site. which con are you all on? Pamela: try AC 17, Tom rich-c: it will not suppport output to a monitor Manta: my screen only goes to adam con 13 rich-c: doesn't matter, most of us have been to almost all of them Pamela: try www.adamcon.org BobS: SORRY RICHARD, YOU WERE CORRECT !!!!! http://adam.hollowdreams.com rich-c: Pamela has only gone to the recent ones, but Bob abd I have been organizers rich-c: (modesty forbids) 8-) Pamela: we've been to 12, 13, 17, and 18 Guy B.: Rich, I read Joe's problem. I told him to make sure that he is running AdamEm in Full Screen and not in a Window. I hope that works. Manta: ok i am on 13 and clicked on a pic Pamela: but everyone here tonite is in teh AC 17 pics BobS: Meeka's page only goes to AC13.........the adamcon.org page of Dale Wick has newer pics of recent conventions Guy B.: I don't think anyone has submitted pics since AC13. rich-c: in short, Manta, this website, convention picture pagess Guy B.: Only Dale has. Pamela: I'm on adamcon.org and Dale has pics from AC 17 up rich-c: not sure teh rest of us have that many Manta: ok got it. saw the group shot rich-c: right - I an Pam's mother are the old folksd rich-c: Rin is the redhead Manta: cool. nice to have faces to go with the chat :) were guy all able to see me? Pamela: ick, those are horrible pictures of me rich-c: not yet - the entry picture here is Guy on the left (as you face the picture), Dale (organizer) and his wife Gillian helping Manta: wow, 17 years of conventions. Pamela: 18 actually Pamela: this year's was in Chicago rich-c: you going to come up to Ottawa to join us for the next one? BobS: with # 19 next year in Ottawa rich-c: we'll likely be staying across the river in Hull, Quebec Manta: i may...i will try as i have never been on a plane. ;( Pamela: any phobias? rich-c: easy airline connection LA to Toronto then on to Ottawa Manta: very much so. Manta: well i always wanted to go to canada. Pamela: if you don't like heights or roller coasters, a plane may not be your thing Manta: i love rollercoasters. Manta: and heights. which is wierd about the plane issue Pamela: then you should be fine. I love flying. BobS: you're in then Manta rich-c: would you believe the first aircraft I was in was a barnstorming Jenny float plane giving rides from the Hudson River? Manta: well put it this way, there is a rollercoaster called Viper at magic mountain here and right before the final two loops, my restraint unlocked. Pamela: I got my husband up this year for the trip to Chicago, and even though he has a thing against heights and doesn't do roller coasters, he was able to tolerate the trip no problem Manta: well the conventions are usually in the fall right? rich-c: yes, we seem to fly about once every decade whether we need to or not Pamela: summer rich-c: no, more likely in summer, makews for better weather here Pamela: usually late July or early August, to accomodate those with kids in school and those who teach ( such as Dr. D) Manta: well i should be able to. if not because of work and school, then for sure the 20th... rich-c: don't know yet where that one is going to be - Guy F. and Daniel have mutttered about Montreal but Ottawa will likely satisfy them for a bit rich-c: Ottawa in teh summer can be a very pleasant place to be - well worth extending your trip to sightsee Manta: have any been on the west coast? rich-c: yes, Seattle and Vancouver Island BobS: were to Vancouver/Seattle area twice BobS: and to Le Paso TX once Manta: true. i have a friend in toronto who is in a band. BobS: Il Pamela: we drove out to California in the summer of 1975, Tom Manta: the 20th in vegas would be cool :) rich-c: there are a lot of bands in Toronto, some quite famous (eg Barenaked Ladies) Pamela: took the whole summer, drove out and back Pamela: was a wonderful trip rich-c: Vegas is a bit pricey these days, but very accessible rich-c: heat becomes an issue though Pamela: I hear the best time to be in Vegas is either late November or early April Manta: they have a lot of places that have off the strip locations with nice convention spots. a friend has a son who goes to this tech thing i forget what it's called. rich-c: considering what Toronto is like in late November, anywhere is an improvement Manta: yes. vegas will melt you. lol rich-c: IEEE convention, maybe? Manta: def con? rich-c: or perhaps Comdex? Manta: i think it's def con... rich-c: right - defcon is right, though I'm hazy on details beyond knowing it's tech Pamela: at this point all we need is somewhere to lay our heads and enough space to lay out a few laptops, and high speed internet
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changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Back again. Computer froze up. rich-c: pity it isn't the old days of subsized buffets at teh casinos... Pamela: again, Guy? Manta: do any of you ever bring your adams to the events? BobS: have Manta Pamela: we usually have at least one set up - as long as the host has a working one Manta: buffets are the size of food courts :) BobS: lately, the host supplies some computers, but various ones still bring their own rich-c: the organizer provides them - for our Waterloo (ONT) Acon 7 I sent down over half a ton of Adams Manta: yikes Pamela: and they're still in the basement . . . : ) rich-c: Harvey who isnt on tonight took them down in his pick 'em up, but I had to carry all of them out of the basement myself because of his bad back BobS: got about 15 setups here from plain vanilla to hard drive setups to 80 column and all in between Manta: mine is safe in a clean and dry container in the closet with the commodore plus 4 and aquarius on the next shelf Pamela: it's amusing to see the states they arrive in rich-c: I finally cleared some basement space and am moving the Amiga 500 down there shortly Pamela: boxes full of cables, none of them actually for the ADAM, none wound up or labelled BobS: and the one in the worst shape is owned by Dale Wick, our resident programmer guru Manta: i used mine like mad when i got it up until i got my compaq in 1997. Pamela: printers / CPU's with six inches of dust on them rich-c: mine is stil set up and working though I use it rarely BobS: I ALWAYS dust mine about once amonth Pam rich-c: whether they need it or not
(BobS reboots Pamela's computer remotely.) Pamela: pbbbt to you too, Bob Manta: i set mine up from time to time searching to log onto a bbs if there is still one out there rich-c: can't give you any guidance with that - I only ever had 1 1200 modem and the 'net doesn't support anything that slow any more Manta: well unless it's adam to adam i am sure Pamela: seems to me that Neil Wick had info on a BBS this summer BobS: nothing out there Manata BobS: in the old days.......about 8-9 yrs ago there were. but no longer Manta: oh well... ;) it was fun...lol rich-c: yes, even Zonker has packed it in now, I gather Manta: that's about when i last got on one BobS: BUT someday we may find someone to grant us a shell accoutn at an ADAMCON and we can surf the web in text onley rich-c: well, once you can get live chat like this, a BBS sort of fades in com[arison BobS: si senor Pamela: it's even more fun when we're all in a room together, all madly typing away : ) Manta: well yea, but it;s like fun driving a 65 VW bug with nothing in it even though a fully loaded bmw is far better. but something about the bug that makes it special. BobS: you GOT it !!!!!! rich-c: yes, the old things hobby covers all sorts of areas - know anyone who'd like to buy a 1973 Mercury? Manta: mercury what? rich-c: Meteor Rideau 500 4-dorr sedan Trailer Special - 400 CID V8 BobS: equivalent to a Marquis BobS: here in the states Manta: big car rich-c: no, equivalent to the Ford 500 that year Pamela: verrrrry big car Pamela: same size as the Lincoln Continental Pamela: turning circle of a barge Manta: that's right...canadians get the better names. like the acadian instead of the chevette rich-c: but it will haul a trailer up teh Donner Pas without even breathing hard Pamela: we got both, Tom - the Pontiac Acadian and the Chevy Chevette rich-c: not really, Manta, in addition to - in our smaller market single-level dealers can't get enough trde to survive BobS: and the Pontiac Parissiene.......a sweet sounding name to be sure Manta: i had a fiero once. fun little go kart type of a car rich-c: right now I haul with a '95 Safari - converted to a 350 V8 Pamela: I'm a Ford person - I drive a '93 Ford Taurus Wagon, which I love Manta: i got a 2001 explorer sport 4x4. had my lawyer make saturn buy back my lemon of a 2005 L300 rich-c: yes, you have pretty good lemon law legislation in CA, IIRC Manta: well i feel like a traitor. actually always been GM, still have my 87 camaro :) Pamela: next on my list is an Escape if I can find one for a reasonable price with reasonable mileage rich-c: Pamela covets an Explorer Manta: i found mine with 38000 original miles, fully loaded. Pamela: nope, the Escape, Dad - the Explorer is too big Manta: mine is the 2 door rich-c: you finally figured that out? way to go Pamela: won't go into my parking space properly Guy B.: Well folks, I'm going to go. I might be late next week. My mom's Christmas party is next Wednesday and I start my last vacation. Manta: yea, the parties begin here too :) Pamela: well ideally, I'd like a newer Taurus, but the new ones don't have enough cargo space BobS: nite Guy rich-c: OK Guy, do check in if you can anyway - don't forget to send me the picture of Annie (copy to Pam) Manta: nite guy Pamela: g'nite Guy BobS: and they are no longer bing made either BobS: being Pamela: he's already sent mine, Dad Guy B.: OK Rich. Will do rich-c: newer doesn't mean new, just a more recent model BobS: ah....ok Guy B.: Poof BobS: Meeka just got rid of hers
Guy B. left chat session Pamela: the last model year was the 2006 for full production, Bob - they have done the 2007 sedan for rental companies and fleets only, but no wagons BobS: went to a minivan Chev 2002 Pamela: besides, I wouldn't buy new rich-c: well where you work, could you get a fleet model - perhaps a retired one? Manta: new cars are almost always defective. my last two were. that's why i went to used Pamela: I could, but it would be at most three years old and that's too new for me rich-c: I just figured the number of miles left per dollar spent was a lot bigger in slightly used Manta: like all my silly friends that spend $$$$ for a new jaguar when they can get the same car three years later for very cheap. one of the few cars that lose value big time BobS: check into one with higher miles......der, kilometers.......might be worth the price and keep in good repair from there rich-c: I always used to buy all my cars new, and hold them - but changed policy when I retired Pamela: in order to get the most bang for my buck, I'll have to go to a model about five years old Manta: my mom's 87 toyota camry wagon, 108000 miles and no problems at all. Pamela: god, Camry's go forever Manta: yes they do. heck, i even like driving it from time to time. zippy thing it is rich-c: I should hope not - these days I don't see that as old for a car - though come to realize it, that will be 20 years old next year, won't it? Pamela: yes it will, Dad rich-c: mygos how time flies! Manta: yes... Pamela: actually, we're already into the '07 model year so it is 20 years old Manta: so will my camaro. yikes. rich-c: and you've barely got the thing broken in! Manta: the camaro has 120000, i began to restore it in 1999. then got sidetracked. almost done with it. rich-c: why would it need reestoration at that low a mileage? Manta: i bought it in 1993. my first car. well besides the family nova which was a hand me down Pamela: that's only what, about 175000 kms - that's nothing rich-c: I suppose on an '87 it might be getting near an engine rebuild, but that's no big deal Pamela: my Taurus has 212,800 kms on it now rich-c: uswe the opportunity to upgrade the internals a little Manta: well i decided to make it a bit quicker, and had to strip it down to bare metal due to that fiasco with the clear coat on almost all the cars in that time frame flaking rich-c: right, paint issues can get very expensive and time consuming Manta: you got lucky with the taurus. my friends aunt had a 2000 and died at 40000 miles Manta: shes on a focus now. Pamela: 2000 was the first model year of the new body - not a good year Manta: no...but she loves the focus :) Pamela: I know a lot of people who had trouble with them rich-c: I suspect there is a certain element in teh car community that makes a very lucrative return on cars the owner thinks dies a premature death Pamela: the Focus is a lovely little car - my aunt has one and I've driven it. It's a bit small inside for me, but nice to drive for running around in the city Manta: like my saturn. seat belts coming apart at the body, leaking when it rained, stalling, pulling, it was a nightmare rich-c: mechanically, there is little tht can't be fixed economically - but let's not discuss bodywork (tinworm) Pamela: and actually, it's not that small stem to stern - not much shorter than my Taurus rich-c: one of my cursor cronies on www.carnuts.us is an ex-Saturn owner - VERY ex Manta: well you know that ultra high performance ford GT thing has a focus steering column. as i read in an auto mag BobS: well gang...........tis 11pm here and Judy is having some back spasms, so we are off the bed and hopefully a nights sleep,,,,,if the sleeping pill works Pamela: Kimberly and Art have two Saturns and love them, and Art is on his second one rich-c: best of luck on that, Bob - you and Judy take care BobS: see you all next week, K ????? Manta: saturn was good below 1999. nite bob
BobS left chat session Manta: i hope to be here Pamela: good night Bob, hope Judy feels better. Tell her thanks for the reading recommendation - I'll keep you posted rich-c: that's good news, Manta Pamela: seems to me they're 2004, both cars rich-c: I'm told there are some happy Saturn owners - jsut that there are a lot of unhappy ones Pamela: his is a stripped down manual transmission, no air, manual windows and door locks. Hers is an automatic, power everything, a/c etc rich-c: didn't know Art was that ascetic Pamela: he isn't - just cheap : ) rich-c: or do they just use Kim's car for any significant trips? Pamela: it's a commuter vehicle only Manta: yea pamela, my first saturn was a 1999 sl strip model and it ran awesome. then the 2002 junk followed by the 2005 trade up Pamela: if they're going anywhere en famille, they take her car rich-c: that figures, for sure Pamela: Kimberly says the hardest part for Art is remembering not to try and shift : ) rich-c: yes, when I first went to the automatic, I had that problem Manta: i hear ya rich-c: now I'd need a day's practive to get a clutch coordinated again Pamela: I think I'm going to wait until his is a bit more broken in, then ask him to teach me to drive standard : ) Pamela: I figure if anyone has the patience to teach me, it's probably Art : ) Manta: some cars are easier then others. saturn, toyota, honda, are generally easy rich-c: hey, you started off your learning on a standard Pamela: me?? no I didn't Pamela: I learned on the Zephyr, remember? Manta: column shift? rich-c: thought we gave you a run or two when we still had the Zodiac - no, I guess not, you'd have been too young Pamela: nope, too young Dad - think we still had the Zodiac, but it wasn't operable by that point Manta: what is a zodiac? rich-c: I drove column shift on my early cars Pamela: Ford Zodiac, 1969, built in Britain Pamela: only something like 35 ever imported to North America Manta: oh. cool. kindda like the ford capris of the 70's Pamela: nice looking cars, very forward-looking design for the time - would not look out of place on the road today rich-c: Ford (BR) Zodiac Mk.4 - see the TV series Z-cars - 3.0l V-6 Herron head 4-dr. sedan, all discs, all irs, very advanced for 1968 Pamela: sorry, '68 Pamela: Lucas electrics : ) rich-c: intro'd in 1967, with the lower trim (2.5 l) Zephry Manta: ok. saw one on the net. neat looking. rich-c: no, I don't think the Fords then still used Lucas electrics, though I don't remember what they did have Pamela: ours was beautiful - it was "aubergine" with burgundy interior Pamela: spoke hubcabs Pamela: somewhere there are pictures of the car with me as the hood ornament rich-c: aubrgine is the Franch word for eggplant - it was sometimes also called black cherry in Ford specsheets Manta: older cars had better style instead of today's cookie cutter designs Pamela: truly, I don't think anyone would think it was out of place if it was on the road today Manta: like a 65 mustang rich-c: don't ask me, I'm prejudiced as hell - I still like the old cars Pamela: btw Tom, can you tell I've inherited my father's passion for cars? : ) rich-c: soon as I win the lottery I'm going to get me the last classic Packard Caribbean convertible Manta: that;s a good thing. my neice got my love of cars. she knows more than her boyfriend does Manta: i'm getting my 65 chevy corvair corsa convertible white with tan top Pamela: since I've worked in the automotive industry in one capacity or another for the last 15 years, it's a good thing rich-c: you like cars? drop over to www.carnuts.us rich-c: we all talk about cars - and everything else under the sun - but it's fun rich-c: turbo version, I turst? Manta: cool. i'll check that out. btw, i am going to get my affairs in order for work tomorrow. the boss is on vacation for two weeks as of today and we have a pot luck to plan too :) Pamela: we currently have an old Ford Torino on the lot - Starsky and Hutch version - at work and I was one of the only ones to ID it immediately rich-c: right - it's past 11 here, still have to get the garbage and recycling out, so time hangs havy over us Pamela: and someone had an old Old's Delta 88 out there too Manta: well it was great chatting with you all again...
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: we have somedone new arriving at this hour? Manta: ;) land yachts can be fun...and a good night to all from so. cal.
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