rich-c: salut, Daniel - ca va bien?
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changed username to RonUbuntu RonUbuntu: hello?? rich-c: you are much early - meeting later, Ron? RonUbuntu: yes, have about 45 min here RonUbuntu: Hi Rich, Hi Daniel rich-c: and now playing with yet another flavour of Linux RonUbuntu: Yes, only this time I have a book RonUbuntu: My intent is to read it rich-c: I think Daniel is off playing elsewhere, will return later RonUbuntu: ah rich-c: read teh directions? surely you jest! rich-c: isn't that against your religion? RonUbuntu: I know.... sounds strange doesn't it RonUbuntu: usually rich-c: do you have a disc or did you just download the Ubntu? RonUbuntu: Actually Rich, the one I'm using came with the book. I have other downloaded versions RonUbuntu: But this one at least follows the author's description of what's going on rich-c: that's a definite advantage ; - ) RonUbuntu: yes, usually rich-c: I gather there is a new distribution of Ubuntu out quite recently, too
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changed username to Daniel Bienvenu RonUbuntu: Surprising how many of these books don't match what's on their CD Daniel Bienvenu: ok, it works now... rich-c: allo Daniel
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changed username to Judy RonUbuntu: Hi Judy! Daniel Bienvenu: hi judy Daniel Bienvenu: hi ron rich-c: good evening, Judy - how goes it? Daniel Bienvenu: hi richard RonUbuntu: howz life treatin' ya/ RonUbuntu: ? Judy: Hi, Rich, Ron, And Daniel
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changed username to BobS BobS: hi gang rich-c: evening, Roberto Daniel Bienvenu: life can be always better... i think RonUbuntu: Hey Bob! BobS: hiya Ron Judy: it is good, passed my exam Monday, feeling great BobS: I saw your ADAM hd problem but have been to involved to go down and check RonUbuntu: Well Congratulations. You're a winner! BobS: explain it to me again please BobS: your have the IDE install disk for the MI hd.......... BobS: but.................. rich-c: we were sure you would, Judy, but it's still nice to know nothing went wrong Judy: only one more and that is Word
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changed username to Pamela RonUbuntu: Well what I was after Bob was the utilities that Guy Cousineau had to allow changing logical drives on the EOS side of the house. There were a couple of SmartBASIC BobS: HI Pam Judy: hi, Pamela rich-c: hello daughter Pamela: Hi all RonUbuntu: Utilities that allowed you to issue a command like "catalog,v2,d5" and switch to that logical drive BobS: hmmmmm........were they on the original MI disk for formatting the drive????? RonUbuntu: I have one of them now, but it runs in my mind there was another one. Can't even remember what it did Judy: The letters behind my name are getting longer BobS: or a separate one form Guy ? RonUbuntu: nope..... only the "HARDDISK" program Judy: now it would be nice if the job would come along Pamela: pass all your exams, Judy? RonUbuntu: Wonder what version of Word they're going to teach you Judy Judy: yes, my billing and coding BobS: what disk was it on????? rich-c: looked a my hard disc Monday and discovered it isn't even hooked up - have to do something about that Pamela: well done rich-c: don't know what, but something Daniel Bienvenu: hi pam Judy: didn't think I had a chance of passing this one and got an 80% RonUbuntu: Well that's just it Bob, I first got those utilities directly from Guy Cousineau at one of our meetings. He gave me a disk then that I no longer seem to have Pamela: Erin says Rich won't be on tonite - won't be home til about 10:30 RonUbuntu: Hi Pam Pamela: that's great news Judy rich-c: got sometyhing going with the kids? Pamela: no, work thing I think RonUbuntu: ah there's that word again BobS: well Ron, you got me what you are lookign for.........I recognize the nomenclature, but not the program it micght use Pamela: sorry, I'll stop swearing : ) RonUbuntu: Well, the thing is working ok Bob, and I did find a HELLO file that allows me to switch drives, so I guess the program I can't remember willl have to stay deep in the archives of my mind BobS: PLEEEEZE pam RonUbuntu: <grin> BobS: until it surfaces it's ugly little head, eh? RonUbuntu: yeah.... it'll come back to me sooner or later RonUbuntu: Still a little leary about the failure I had Sunday afternoon Judy: Bob just says that because he is doing it sooo much RonUbuntu: Think it was a bad MI power supply, but I'm not sure rich-c: by the way, Ron, Frances can't open the zipped attachment you sent her Pamela: it's feast or famine, isn't it Bob RonUbuntu: The thing died and disintergrated RonUbuntu: But I was able to rebuild it RonUbuntu: does she have WINZIP? rich-c: yes, or rather an equivalent, but OE won't let go of it - insists it's an eml file RonUbuntu: Ok, I'll resend the contents RonUbuntu: Used Windows Vista to Zip it, and Lord knows what they're using these days rich-c: right - I can't seem to extract contents of eml files any way rich-c: I think the problem is within Outlook Express, though some other mail programs can be awkward too Judy: yes, he is making money that is for sure, which is a good thing putting us back up again RonUbuntu: yeah. Well we'll fix that Judy: we talked to jean stone this week rich-c: yes, we got an email from her a day or two ago RonUbuntu: Hows Jean doing? rich-c: pretty rough with a variety of ailments, but fighting through Judy: that was one of the reasons that we talked to her, she lost your email address rich-c: they make 'em tough in Texas RonUbuntu: Well if you're talking to her wish her well for me BobS: she is just like the Energizer bunny RonUbuntu: right rich-c: with luck she may be on here tonight or soon at any rate Judy: she is, tough, that is, says she may come to the next convention RonUbuntu: Her husband's gone, right? RonUbuntu: (forgot name) Judy: yes, Jack died in April rich-c: speaking of which - is it absolutely essential it be in July or August, not June or September? RonUbuntu: ah ok Pamela: well I'd better make it a good one then : ) Judy: why? rich-c: because Niagara accomodations are far less expensive in the shooulder seasons Pamela: if we want those with kids to attend, it pretty much has to be in the summer Dad RonUbuntu: well for me (just my take) Rich, not normally.... either would be ok....but next year I'm planning on going with the kids for a trip to Italy Judy: June could work for that Pamela: that's not till September though, right Ron? rich-c: even last two weeks in June or first in September can make a huge difference RonUbuntu: And they're talking May/June or September. So I wouldn't be around one of those two RonUbuntu: No, it might not be September. It might be May/June RonUbuntu: Work things happening with Francesca Pamela: I'm not going to make a timing decision for a little while yet so we have some wiggle room. RonUbuntu: So right at the moment, I really don't know, and probably won't know until January rich-c: remember Adamcon only uses up one potential school day- - most kids can afford that Pamela: yes but you have to factor travel time into this too RonUbuntu: And if I'm going to Niagara I want a few extra days rich-c: but who would have a long way to travel with kids? the Wicks are 3 hours away, is all Pamela: Rich, RonUbuntu: But I don't want you guys planning this thing around me. If I can't go, I can't go Pamela: Guy Foster Pamela: we want you there Ron RonUbuntu: awww RonUbuntu: and of course, I want to be there rich-c: Niagara is closer to Cleveland than Toronto is, but at least 90 minutes RonUbuntu: Imagine Dr. D would want some input into choice of dates
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changed username to Ginger Daniel Bienvenu: ginger... hello! RonUbuntu: Hey Erin! rich-c: I'm sure everyone will want input - hell, I don't even know when my surgery will be Ginger: Allo allo Judy: hi, Erin BobS: Hi MRS D Pamela: Hi Rin Ginger: howdy all rich-c: hi Rin - having a good gloat? RonUbuntu: what's new and exciting? Pamela: long time no see : ) RonUbuntu: did the politics work out as needed Rin? Ginger: I'm just happy to have a job RonUbuntu: yep. That's a plus all right Ginger: so far so good, won't know where I'm going until the 30th Ginger: and maybe a few days after that RonUbuntu: ah rich-c: yes, McGuinty never did figure out who he was runing against - fortunately neither did Tory BobS: going?????? BobS: as in moving?????? Ginger: at least we know the when part of it all Pamela: what ministry Ginger: just where I'll be working Bob rich-c: not sticking with your current guy, then? Ginger: I would like to...but I doubt they'll keep us where we are now Pamela: (PRIVATE) I've got deja vu : ) Didn't we just have this conversation??? Ginger: (PRIVATE) I know:-) RonUbuntu: it's called shakeup Judy: that is a bummer, Erin rich-c: they flip the aides around sort of arbitrarily then, do they? RonUbuntu: "The pleasure of her majesty" Ginger: oh no, not really RonUbuntu: should be Her Majesty rich-c: definitely, Ron Ginger: I just mean that I don't know what I'll be doing exactly, my preference is to stay with my boss but I also don't want to limit my potential too much...at least I'm not sure I do rich-c: never mind Rin, you will get seconded out to help in a federal election, no doubt Ginger: oh I know I will be asked for the federal election - I just hope it doesn't happen anytime soon BobS: knowing WHAt you are doing is nothing new Erin, most of us don't know what we are doing ....................... OR WHY Ginger: hehe RonUbuntu: well, today's events in Ottawa would seem to be on your side then rich-c: not sure we will have much choice in the matter - Harper wants one badly Ginger: still, I will stamp my feet and complain the entire time rich-c: busy today, haven't checked the news websites - what happened, Ron, did Dion chicken out? Ginger: I would at least like to find out (or figure out) what I'm doing before then Ginger: he did Ginger: (thank goodness) RonUbuntu: Dion said the liberals would not vote against the Throne Speech RonUbuntu: He's reserved the right to criticize specific legislation, but he won't bring down the gov't over it rich-c: damn - we knew he was teh wrong guy, why did he get chosen? Ginger: however that's not to say they won't vote against Harper's multitude of confidence bills RonUbuntu: oh yes. rich-c: if he's chicken, he's chicken, and won't no matter how convoluted the excuses have to be RonUbuntu: He's got his own problems right now, and I suspect he wants to buy time. Harper wants to bring it on (the election that is) Ginger: I fear that if an election were called today we would end up with a Conservative majority...a blank cheque to Harper that's the scariest of all rich-c: Bob Rae must be tearing his hair out by the roots Daniel Bienvenu: I think the liberal party decided already to not go in election based on their surveys. RonUbuntu: wouldn't be at all surprised if there were some Liberal knives out Daniel Bienvenu: the speech didn't change their mind. RonUbuntu: probably right Daniel rich-c: an election result would depend on the Liberal skill in campaigning - which is not great rich-c: you know, they wouldn't take Rae because of his baggage from Ontario Ginger: I think if they brought down the gov't people may vote against them out of spite rich-c: why are they scared of a guy who has much more and more recent baggage from Ontario - the Conservative party Ginger: not that I'm one of the big juicy brains mind you rich-c: I think that fear is grossly overrated, Rin rich-c: but McGuinty never figured out in his first successful election he was really running against Mike Harris, not Ernie Eves RonUbuntu: Judy, with the new qualifications you're now acquiring... how do the job prospects look? rich-c: give the voters some credit for rmembering eight years of being abused Judy: don't know, so far, not much out there RonUbuntu: well, you can but do what you're doing, and pray a lot rich-c: yes, Judy, I would gather that once you're qualified, a good offer should be automatic Judy: have an appointment with the job placement person at school Tuesday, hopefully she will have something for me RonUbuntu: In this province it would be right now. But your State's situation is a little different rich-c: the story around is that there is a severe shortage of medical secretaries - even oin Michigan Ginger: Oh I'm sure we give lots of credit to that...it's just seeing the difference between federal and provincial politics and the states that the respective parties are in RonUbuntu: Let's hope Judy Judy: was told that medical was the place to go, but in the paper the adds are few and far between BobS: true Richard, BUT every employer wants the world and hires the wrong person becasue they think that person has it.......but they flop rich-c: that may be a field where general public advertising is not cost effective - there may be some specialty channel Judy: they all want a College degree RonUbuntu: Anyway good people, I hate to cut and run, but I have a meeting to go to. RonUbuntu: So we'll see ya's all next week rich-c: oh, well that is the current fad I know - very much that way here, too Judy: they say they have contacts at school, but you have to have completed all to get in rich-c: right Ron, take care, see you next week RonUbuntu: niters Pamela: nite Ron RonUbuntu: pooooffff!!!
RonUbuntu left chat session Judy: have a good meeting, Ron, glad you could be here this long Daniel Bienvenu: bye ron rich-c: that makes sense, Judy - if you need a person with a specific skill, go where the skills are taught Judy: hopefully you are right Daniel Bienvenu: I also have a meeting... this saturday, about Arcadia festival (in November) and the Coleco hombrew games. rich-c: I know of a number of fields where there is at the very least a useful gossip centre at the teaching facility Judy: brb have to make bob's lunch rich-c: right Daniel, that is a big event in the emulator world, isn't it? rich-c: forgot to ask Ron - any in our group still doing anything in CP/M? rich-c: Bob, how has your job scheduling settled out now? Daniel Bienvenu: Arcadia festival is about video game world, like a mini E3. But the retro gaming section is about cool things from the past including Coleco games. rich-c: ah, ok, a significant part of a really big whole, then, Daniel Daniel Bienvenu: Tonight, I'm trying to complete a coleco game I started in 2001. I want to discuss about this game saturday. rich-c: you have certainly been working on that for a while - what is taking so long? BobS: job is still up inthe air and I am working both jobs rich-c: oh, great - turning a nice buck but no idea how long it will last, then BobS: had a heart to heart with my Habitat boss Sat pm though and told him exactly where I stood on th ejob Daniel Bienvenu: I just stoped the project in 2002, then tried to continue it at least 3 times... but this year, I release it, whatever the game is ready or not. I mean it's playable but the "reward" is just a "game over screen" for now. BobS: he assured me that I wil know for sure shortly about the future and Habitat rich-c: and you have to think of something better then, Daniel? rich-c: the trouble with volunteer organizations is that assurances are in very short supply Daniel Bienvenu: I have an idea of what to do, but I'm missing space to program so I need to optimize (squeeze data and code). rich-c: how big is the program now, Daniel? Over the 32K "limit"? BobS: that is the problem Richard Daniel Bienvenu: I did a new title screen, that added even more data in the game, but it was necessary. BobS: I want some assurance that this is long term Daniel Bienvenu: actually, the game is 31K rich-c: fair and reasonable, Bob, but they may be hard pressed to give it Daniel Bienvenu: I can probably save 1K and then fill up the 2K with the tiny reward. rich-c: and that, Daniel, is what you will be working on? Daniel Bienvenu: it's what I'm trying to do since this morning in fact. BobS: sounds like they have the schedule to accomodate my request though BobS: as long as things go according to plan rich-c: I am sure you will manage to come up with something suitable, Daniel rich-c: as in, as long as they get to donations, and the recipients don't fink out, Bob? Daniel Bienvenu: I have tommorow for that, I keep friday for the last testing and debug phase and making a few cartridges. rich-c: that should keep you out of mischief, Daniel rich-c: me, I'll be watching four football games and two motor races this weekend BobS: actually, richard, my salary and the entire construction section salaries come from the sale of the houses, regular donations pay for the organization operating costs Daniel Bienvenu: I have to return coding before being too sleepy. rich-c: so the cash flow to pay you is pretty erratic and a bit unpreddictable, Bob Pamela: wow, holy fog, Batman rich-c: looked out the window, did you, Pam? Pamela: what out? Out is gone! BobS: nol the cash flow for me would be assured, as long as the organization can operate the office rich-c: our fog is marginally less thick as we are further from the river BobS: kinda like looking at a cloud??????? Pamela: I can't imagine you have any concerns about your job performance Bob BobS: no, job performance is acceptable rich-c: exactly, Bob, in fact fog really is simply a particularly low cloud, meteorologically Pamela: like living in a cloud BobS: that is not the problem, would just be IF they can stay busy thru the winter Pamela: so foggy I can't even see the lights in the buildings on Weston Road, a block away rich-c: or even if there were enough on day in the on-off sequence to live on satisfactorily BobS: I told hiim I could live very easily on slow weeks with less hours for periiods of time
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rich-c confirmed ban BobS: waky waky rich-c: btw I installed the Java upgrade and this time the chat works with it JudyS: we are supposed to get storms tonight and tomorrow Pamela: you can tell there's no air movement - it's warm in here despite having all the windows open JudyS: that is good Pamela: too warm, I should say rich-c: we are supposed to have some unusually reelatively warm weather next few days JudyS: Bob hasn't installed the upgrade yet, worried that it won't work rich-c: yes, we can end up with the furnace on in the morning and air conditioning going in the afternoon rich-c: well Ron installed it and it worked, and so did someone else, so I tried it and it worked for me
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changed username to Guy B. JudyS: that was our weather last week Pamela: Hi Guy rich-c: hello Guy, you're late tonight Daniel Bienvenu: hi guy Guy B.: Greetings!!! JudyS: hi, Guy Daniel Bienvenu: sorry to be quiet but I'm in a programming rush now. Guy B.: Done with overtime rich-c: good Guy, bloody well about time Pamela: since July?? rich-c: though I suppose you'll miss the bonus in your paycheque Guy B.: We had to get all the reports done for another dept to run a membership report. So, finally we are up to date, Yea! JudyS: that is good Guy rich-c: anyway Bob if you do the upgrade and it gives you a hassle, just use control panel add/remove to remove it BobS: will do, I am downloading and installing right now JudyS: will let him try first and if it works then he can do it to my computer rich-c: you will see that in add/remove they treat it as a separate program BobS: good Richard rich-c: that is sensible, Judy - we use similar tests on our two computers rich-c: actually, my desktop is six years old so I should need a new one, but I can't figure out what difference it owuld make Pamela: it would be faster Dad JudyS: I will need mine next week for working on Word so don't want any new things then Pamela: easier to multitask JudyS: will be taking a all day Word class to refresh my knowledge rich-c: no, adding new stuff is always a hassle - I can't right now because Windows Installer won't install (don't ask) BobS: wil be right back aftetr the installation of new Java BobS: :-)
BobS left chat session Pamela: in theory : ) JudyS: he knows that tomorrow Doug will be over so can fix it rich-c: I don't multitask anyway - I have a one-track mind JudyS: we are going to Chucky Cheeze tomorrow night for Michael's birthday rich-c: oh, it won't take Doug to fix it if it goes wrong, Bob can do it himself JudyS: he is turning 7 on Friday
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changed username to Roberto rich-c: hey, it worked! Roberto: ok seemed to have worked Daniel Bienvenu: welcome back Bob Roberto: si senor JudyS: good for you, dear rich-c: great, now I can go get a good Quebec beer to celebrate - brb Roberto: :-) Roberto: ANy excuse Roberto: jsut to have a brew Pamela: no excuse necessary - it's Wednesday Pamela: that's enough for Dad Roberto: oh ok JudyS: I think you would have gotten it regardless of how Bob's upgrade worked Pamela: you're right, Judy : JudyS: why, does he only have a beer on Wed Pamela: ) Pamela: he allows himself one a week and it's a social thing Pamela: since he's being social, he has his beer : ) JudyS: ok, now I understand rich-c: clear as mud, right? JudyS: how is your mother doing? Pamela: actually i don't know - haven't talked to M & D all week Ginger: going now folks....hubby's is on the phone...toodles! JudyS: you got that right, and how is Francis
Ginger left chat session Pamela: I keep getting hijacked by my aunt JudyS: night Erin rich-c: OK Rin, take care and say hi to Rich rich-c: Frances is having cruel problems with severe back pain - she will be seeing a specialist a week tomorrow Pamela: she poofed too fast JudyS: that is not good, when did that start? rich-c: a couple of weeks ago - she wakes up in pain and it gradually diminishes, I wake up OK and gradually get pain Pamela: so you meet in the middle? rich-c: it varies somewhat from day to day and heat sometimes helps, but not always rich-c: sort of - I can stretch in ways she can't, she can bend in ways I can't Roberto: the true couple who helps out the other JudyS: so you need to combine and you are both good rich-c: we are both bloody-minded and won't give in to the problems, which doesn't help rich-c: but at our ages you fight for your independence - ask Jean Stone JudyS: it is not easy to give in to the problems Pamela: it's human nature not to JudyS: yes, we see the same thing with my parents, but they are asking for more and more help these days rich-c: oh, it is very easy to give in - but it is not wise (in our view) rich-c: believe, Judy, they will ask for no more help than the minimum they need to get by JudyS: no, you have to keep on trucking, keeps you going Pamela: brb JudyS: not always, keeps us coming over to visit, they love that rich-c: exactly - though you have to know when to accept a pit stop, too
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changed username to LateGuy rich-c: I found that out in hospital last winter Guy B.: Hi Guy F Roberto: ok banana's Foster, what took ya so long??????? Pamela: bonjour Guy Roberto: you came for dessert???????? LateGuy: Hi everyone... nice to see some people still stuck around for chat. rich-c: so ow are things in Montreal, Mr. Foster? Resigned to second place for Les Alouettes yet? JudyS: they are seeing there limits more and more and have two people in their condo unit dying of cancer, getting a little too close Pamela: we're always here till 11 Guy Pamela: Argoooooooos! Roberto: ACTUALLY, what IS banana's foster anyway........banana's and what?????? LateGuy: Good, that's what I figured, was heaading to go to sleep, but just remember we were Wednest, so had to drop by... plus, there's some insane fireworks right next to my window. (I live in the old port of montreal) LateGuy: Football sucks.. Roberto: COOL, watch the fireworks LateGuy: I'm HEAARING the fireworks, but can't watch them, too many buildings blocking the view. Roberto: bummer dude rich-c: I'm talking real football, not the American kind JudyS: hi, Guy F LateGuy: Speaking of Americans... I bought $2000US and it cost me... $1980 CDN. Awesome!!! rich-c: anyway, what's the occasion for the fireworks? Roberto: oops LateGuy: No clue... it's the middle of the week, in October, why would there be fireworks is wht I asked my wife. LateGuy: Hello Judy. Pamela: what does Tamara think of them? LateGuy: Not much actually. :) LateGuy: Hey, Rich, perhaps you would know that, since you're a car nut... Pamela: meaning she doesn't like them or isn't paying attention to them? LateGuy: What are the procedures to import a car formthe US into Canada? JudyS: say hi to your wife LateGuy: Judy: Thanks, she's not doing well these days, on strict bed rest... rich-c: basically, forget about it, Guy, unless it's an antique or collector deal LateGuy: Rich: Really? Prices are so good though! JudyS: that is not good, for how long? Daniel Bienvenu: salut GuyF rich-c: not by the time you pay the federal and provincial sales taxes at teh border, plus registration Daniel Bienvenu: désolé, je programme en ce moment. LateGuy: Judy: Till she gives birth. Severe chances of having a premature baby. She got a special shot today to develop teh lungs of the baby in case she delivers soon. Daniel Bienvenu: un rush à cause de la réunion de ce samedi. JudyS: when is she due? LateGuy: in 2 months. rich-c: then there are things like rectifying specifications, for instance changing bumpers and installing daytime running lights LateGuy: Rich: Really... perhaps I should look into importing from Ontario to Quebec. Good deals in Ontario too. JudyS: oh, that is scarry, isn't it? LateGuy: Judy: Yes, very much so... we're taking it 1 day at a time, but it's nerve racking. Pamela: what happened, Guy? rich-c: my guess, Guy, is that deals will get better over the next little while JudyS: tell her we will be thinking of her and hope that things turn for the better LateGuy: Pamela: Baby dropped, contractions started and some other signs that she will be going in labor very soon. rich-c: but watch out - you can't register your new car till you pay Quebec sales tax on it Pamela: she's what, 31 weeks? LateGuy: Rich: Wondering what other things I have to do to register an Ontario car in Quebec. Found a good deal on a minivan this week.
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changed username to Dale LateGuy: Pam: Yes, exactly.. 31.5 (every .5 counts now) Dale: Hi all. rich-c: hello Dale Pamela: Hey Dale LateGuy: hi Dale. JudyS: hi, Dale Daniel Bienvenu: hi Dale Daniel Bienvenu: (I'm programming... sorry to be so quiet) Roberto: Hi Dale rich-c: far as I know, Guy, folks in Hull don't buy their cars in Ottawa - and bet there's a reason Dale: I'm working on a maid of the mist boar driving game for the minigames compo, since Daniel says I have to come up with more than one entry. Pamela: will you debut it at the convention then Dale? LateGuy: Rich: I wish buying cars from the US was easier for us... man, theÊdeals I see are unbelievable to us, over-taxed/over-priced Canadians. Dale: bot driving game. Sure, you'll get to see it there live and in person. But it is due for the competition Oct 30th I think. rich-c: Dale, re Adamcon, we've discovered June and September are MUCH less expensive that the summer months Dale: June is better for me for what it's worth. LateGuy: Dale: How do you find the time to program??? I have a full-time job, a wife and a child to take care of, and don't even have time to do anything! rich-c: the latter half, Guy, is the real deal = but with the dollars at par folks are noticing the difference Dale: Well, the full time job has to take a back seat to ColecoVision programming occasionally. Dale: I've restarted this maid of the mist game 3 times now. The first two times wouldn't fit in 4k, done in C. rich-c: there is a tremendous ruckus in the Toronto papers over the price difference between Canada and the US LateGuy: Dale: C is for lazy people. Dale: So now I'm back to good old assembly language. rich-c: and I think you are going to see a big adjustment in Canadian car prices very soon Dale: Much better for a 4k games compo. I just don't know how Daniel could possibly do it. LateGuy: Rich: Not only cars, but everything else... Pamela: I hope books is one of those things LateGuy: Dale: Daniel likes to inflict pain upon himself by coding a 4K game in C.\ JudyS: Michigan is car capital, and Michigan is doing badly that may be why prices are better here LateGuy: Pamela: Yes, books, exactly what I was thinking. Pamela: it's highway robbery what they charge for them here rich-c: tell me about it - Bob led me to a new trailer fridge in the US for under $700 Dale: Except I'm busy June 25-28, 2008. for a robotics conference, I guess. So I leave it to you in the end. rich-c: that compared to a quote of over $1200 - plus taxes, plus installation - from the cheapest Ontario dealer Pamela: whatever the date, it will be at the beginning of the month, after first-of-the-month renewals are over for me rich-c: well, not me, Dale, it's Pam's project (though obviously we'll help) JudyS: that is a start, Pam Pamela: I am planning a scouting mission soon Dale: Ptobably really June 24-29, since I'll be in Zurich, Switzerland. JudyS: sounds like a good plan rich-c: oh, so Rich is unlikely to have a travel grant to attend, then Pamela: aw, you poor thing, you JudyS: sounds like a good place to visit rich-c: as long as you're on an expense account, yes rich-c: the option is winning a lottery but it needs to be a big one LateGuy: The only place I ever travelled to was Ottawa on an expense account for work. Not really considered an exotic location. JudyS: hard to win when you don't play Dale: September is probably a no-go for Rich Drushel, but you'll have to check with him on that. I think any time after the end of May is probably good for him though. rich-c: June can be beautiful in Niagara, though a bit late for the blossoms, I fear Dale: Well if we have a late spring, then June will be perfect I expect. JudyS: anytime is a beautiful time there LateGuy: I will be taking my vacation, July-August (full month of July, and full month of August). Dale: The flower clock should be in full bloom then at least. rich-c: true Judy, but some times are more beautiful than others JudyS: very true Pamela: it's a bit early to speculate on date yet rich-c: still, there seems to be some enthusiasm for early to middle June LateGuy: Can we speculate on a location though? Last I heard,Niagara wasn't a good idea? Pamela: let's say Niagara region Pamela: possibly Fort Erie or St. Catherines, both within 20 minutes of the falls LateGuy: sounds good to me! Dale: June 12-15th? Sounds good. ;-) rich-c: actually in June we can can affordable rooms and even some food tossed in for prices we can live with rich-c: and I'm talking rooms overlooking the Falls and maybe Skylon dinner Dale: I don't think we'll have man US attendees if the Canadian dollar keeps targeting US$2, that some economists are talking about. rich-c: check out the Fallsview Hotel weekend deals for June and you'll see Guy B.: Well folks, I'm going to call the night. Will see you all next week Daniel Bienvenu: it's easy to code a 4k game in C, you just have to optimize the algo and avoid calling too many different routines from libraries, and re-use the same routines for many purpose. Pamela: g'nite Guy Pamela: (PRIVATE) hugs to you Daniel Bienvenu: bonne nuit guyb rich-c: OK Guy, take Annie for her walk then Dale: So you say Daniel. Guy B.: (PRIVATE) Me too JudyS: night Guy Guy B.: That's next. Guy B.: Poof
Guy B. left chat session Roberto: we are headed to bed also gang Dale: I made a game that did almost nothing just a bit of animation and basic controls, and it was already 5k. Pamela: which reminds me I need to get in touch with Best Western rich-c: I don't think the US dollar will sink that far, Dale JudyS: we will be turning in also, so night all Roberto: up and at 'em early tomorrow Daniel Bienvenu: my library named getput call put_vram from coelco library. if I can avoid using my function and use only put_vram instead, I can save a bunch of bytes. Pamela: g'nite Bob Pamela: nite Judy Roberto: nite all LateGuy: Dan: I finally got Windows XP running on my Mac Mini... so I will get back to CV programming, when I have time, now is very hectic and crazy for me. Roberto: see ya next week
JudyS left chat session rich-c: OK Slopsemas, y'all take care, see yoku next week Roberto: yup
Roberto left chat session Dale: I'm sure that next US president will be a Democrat, and the US dollar will recover. LateGuy: Hey, Dan st arts talking about p rogramming, and people drop off like flies!!! What gives? :) Daniel Bienvenu: I try to make a reward for my game Jeepers Creepers before this saturday. LateGuy: Dale: Bush will reign a 3rd time. Dale: They go to bed at 11pm. Pamela: not unless he changes the constitution, Guy LateGuy: Pam: He can do that. Pamela: (thank God!) Daniel Bienvenu: it's a over due game for me. the game works, but adding a reward is needed. Dale: People were asking for your programming by name Guy. Dale: So try to work it in. rich-c: No, Guy, US presidents are limit4ed to two terms by the Constitution Daniel Bienvenu: yes, someoe asked me what Guy F is planning to do next. LateGuy: Rich: I know, just being silly. :) rich-c: and he has run out of judges to buy - and his buddies have run out of money for him LateGuy: Dan: Hmmm, maybe another 4K gaME. Dale: You have an idea for one yet Guy? Dale: I just downloaded the latest PSPColEm, and loaded up all of my complete or incomplete games. LateGuy: Yes, something similar to gauntlet. rich-c: anyway, Dale, what we need to watch is how our dollar performs against the Euro Daniel Bienvenu: the minigame compo ends just before halloween. Dale: I came up with 11 colecovision cartridges. Many still in the concept stage. Daniel Bienvenu: I still have my 4k game pentago to fix. rich-c: you guys are really going great guns on the gaming Dale: You think that Europeans will come to AdamCon? Daniel Bienvenu: well, I personnaly try to be more active specially for the 25th anniversary of the colecovision game system. releasing games is my way to celebrate. Dale: We've only had one so far. Dale: And he only came one year. From England. LateGuy: Dan: You are the ultimate ColecoVision fan! LateGuy: Dan: Ever think of getting a binary dump of the ROM tattooed on your back? rich-c: no, I don't expect any European attendance, I was just thinking in terms of exchange rates Daniel Bienvenu: I received, in the past years, some emails from someone in England, and wanted to buy my games for his video game collection. Dale: Well for AdamCon, Amercians is what I want to attract to the next one, if possible. LateGuy: Rich: One thing I'm still not understanding, is... Why aren't Canadians building cars? rich-c: I think our American members may be a little shocked facing what we've had to cope with for near 20 years Dale: Maybe it would be cheaper to hold it on the US side (even though the view isn't as good). Daniel Bienvenu: maybe the coleco technical guide should be a good start for a tattoo. LateGuy: I would rather have it on the US side.. Cheaper $$$ Pamela: we can't Dale, not if we want Erin and Rich to be able to attend LateGuy: Well, Rich can attend. :) rich-c: Canadians are building cars - per capita, more than the Americans, and we're a parts capital for the world Dale: Those slow green card issues? Hmm... Dale: I don't have a quick fix for that one. Pamela: do you mean our regular attendees, Dale, or new ones? Dale: I thought it got easier when you were married? Pamela: not if you want to do it legally : ) LateGuy: For crying out loud, she's a Canadian, she's not allowed to go visit the US for a few days on a vacation? What kind of crap is that? rich-c: also the hotels and facilities on teh US side suck, and don't bet the prices are competitive Pamela: absolute crap, Guy Dale: Well, I'm still scheming to get Geoff Oltmans to come, if I can track him down, and force him to make time. LateGuy: But think of this way, with the strong CDN dollar, the Canadian side will have to adjust, otherwise, no business for them... everyone will go to the US. Pamela: but she can't put a toe across the border without being penalized for three to five years before her immigration is approved rich-c: you are dealing with the Bush administration, Guy. What else do you need to know? Pamela: and they're looking at 14 months to two years from when the next set of paperwork goes in LateGuy: Rich: What's wrong with the US these days, seriously... I see them spiralling down to the point of no return... Can't anyone save them from destroying themselves? OK, that's a long question, no need to answer it there is no answer, I know. Pamela: (which should be shortly, I hope) rich-c: the "strong" Canadian dollar is little more than par, and don't expect the Yanks to honour the exchange rate anyway Dale: Rich, I can only tell you that the US$25/night rooms in Tenesse are way better than the Hamilton $50/night rooms. rich-c: you want to enjoy the benefits, but your US dollars at your Canadian bank Dale: We really need a nice place than that, but still. LateGuy: Rich: In 2002, $1 CDN was equivalent to 0,67 US... We LateGuy: re a long way from there!!! Dale: And there hasn't been that much inflation in US hotel prices to account for that. Dale: It isn't a rule, just a thought. LateGuy: Well, the US still has the iPhone, which us poor Canadians don't have. :( Pamela: the bonus of a strong canadian dollar is, hotels and other attractions will be forced to offer good deals to attract US customers. We'll benefit from that. Dale: We should have the iPhone by December though, or so the rumor goes. LateGuy: Pam: Exactly... LateGuy: Dale: Man, I can't wait... getting one the day it comes out here. rich-c: Guy, I can remember when the Canadian dollar was worth $1.07 - it depends on every governments' fiscal prudence LateGuy: Rich: Yeah, in 1973, only for a very short time. LateGuy: Or in the 50s? LateGuy: I know in the 50s it was also at par, or even more. LateGuy: 57 if I recall. rich-c: when Frances was wroking, the UotT library bought books in Swiss frances with an exchange rate of 25 cents canadian rich-c: now it costs a toonie or so for a franc LateGuy: Well, at least, now, Americans on the newsgroups I visit can stop making fun of our money... man, I hated those jokes. Pamela: they still call it funny money Pamela: it must be the colour rich-c: some day, guy, visit carnuts.us - we talk about an awful lot more than cars LateGuy: Rich: Hehe, I should... Pamela: interesting, because almost all countries have some colour in their paper money Dale: Well it isn't playable yet, and I haven't added animation, but here is my start: http://www.adamcon.org/~dmwick/minigames/mistma4k.rom LateGuy: Dale: checking it out, hold on. rich-c: Americans have certain attitude problems, Pam - they haven't yet realized their hegemony has ended rich-c: go look, Guy - you might be astonished rich-c: you don't have to sign in or loin, either, unless you want to post (or see the private sections) LateGuy: Dale: Started the game, and it ended right away, so far it's very nice though, I like the 3D effect. Pamela: anyway, I think it's time I went to bed, folks rich-c: sorry, join rich-c: reasonable thought, daughter. sleep tight Dale: Screenshot: http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2562/mistmaid1mx3.jpg LateGuy: Rich: The site looks impressive, lots of different forums, which one do you hang out on mostly? Dale: I have a 5k version with the animation mostly working, where you can speed up and slow down. Daniel Bienvenu: planning to release in 4k the niagara game? Pamela: thanks, Dad Pamela: goodnight everyone Pamela: kerpoof Daniel Bienvenu: bone nuit pam! Dale: Well ,you have to hit 1 to start it, and then you can move the boat (or half of it) left and right.
Pamela left chat session LateGuy: Rich: I went on the Ford site and can't seem to find any minivans from them? Have they abandonned that market? rich-c: oddly enough, Guy, almost all of them - but try Open discussion and politics for a start LateGuy: Dale: I hit one, and then hit "A" on my computer... which is usually set up as fire, and it said "Game Over" Dale: fire quits, for debugging purposes. Sorry. :-) Dale: Left and right is all that is enabled. rich-c: pretty well, Guy - they're mostly into crossovers instead Dale: I'll add the animation and speeding up and slowing down next I guess. LateGuy: Rich: That's too bad... LateGuy: Dale: Yeah, there you go... see, I'm not crazy! rich-c: did you notice that in Consumer Reports rateings this month, Ford replaced Toyota as #1 in quality? Dale: And they were planning on closing the Windsor plant. Dale: Moving all of the work to Mexico. LateGuy: Quality and Reliability is perhaps 2 different things. I like reliability more. rich-c: there's a political game going on I suspect, Dale - sort of juggling production Dale: I'm glad to hear that they aren't moving all of the Hershey's chocolate work away from Pensylvania to Mexico. Dale: This dieting craze is very bad for chocolate makers I think. rich-c: I will not be surprised is there's a net gain in employment, but distributed so the UAW won't notice rich-c: you want reliability, Guy, I'll be happy to sell you my 1973 Mercury rich-c: but don't be surprised if the Trust sells Hershey to someone else, who does move it Dale: Daniel, remember the Niagra game had: maid of the mist, tight rope walking, and over the falls in a barrel? Daniel Bienvenu: I remember, yes. Dale: Well, I'm trying to do just one of those for the compo, since you say I have to. Dale: And you said I should make more than one entry, to celebrate the 25th anniversery of the ColecoVision. rich-c: why don't you make each module a separate game on the compo cart, Dale ; - ) Dale: Well, rich-c: hey, how did it get to be this time? this old guy needs his shuteye Dale: I only have until the 30th. Dale: And fitting a game in 4k is hard work, I think. Dale: So making 3 games that fit in 4k would be 3x hard work :-D rich-c: I bow to your superior experience Daniel Bienvenu: well. I asked to myself : "who will take time to install an emulator for only one coleco minigame?" not many. and in this special year, being alone to submit a coleco entry is a shame. Dale: But if I have time, I'll make more games for the compo. rich-c: anyway, this guy has got to go Dale: See you Richard. rich-c: so goodnight Dale, Guy, Daniel rich-c: see you next week Daniel Bienvenu: bonne nuit, rich Daniel Bienvenu: aurevoir Daniel Bienvenu: à bientôt! rich-c: colour me gone
rich-c left chat session Dale: For tight rope walking it would be: walk across without falling, then walk across and do ever more complex tricks without falling. Daniel Bienvenu: midnight soon. I will also need to leave the chat session and concentrate more on my coding. Dale: What were you working on right now?> Daniel Bienvenu: one of the game I demonstrate during the adamcon. jeepers creepers Dale: It fits in 4k? Daniel Bienvenu: no Daniel Bienvenu: it's for releasing in cartridge this saturday. Dale: I remember playing it from your site in like 2001 or something. Daniel Bienvenu: for the 4k, I still have pentago to fix. a bug in counting symbols and it's 5k, not 4k actually. Dale: Great. Dale: Not great. I gurss you'll have to squeeze it a bit too then? Dale: Guy, did you have a game idea yet? Daniel Bienvenu: I just need to convert more parts to assembler, that will make the game not so flexible to do a bigger and better version in the future. Dale: The world needs a 4k pitfall game for sure. Dale: Or a 4k 3/4 view Diablo game. Daniel Bienvenu: pacman is already taken this year... burger time and a venture clone too. Dale: If I could convince you to do Coleco Adam games, we could use the same C64 trick of compressing the whole level using that C64 compression scheme that I was mumbling about at AdamCon. Dale: I really should have worked harder on that specific slide. Dale: Whole game, not level.
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changed username to Daniel Bienvenu Daniel Bienvenu: err... I was kicked or something Daniel Bienvenu: good night Dale and Guy. Daniel Bienvenu: maybe a bomberman in 4k could be done for the colecovision. Dale: goodnight then Dale: Guy would probably like bomberman enough to make it. Daniel Bienvenu: a 4k pengo? Dale: could be a winner, I think. Daniel Bienvenu: we should try to communicate more before mid-november to finish the minigame cartridge. Dale: sure. Daniel Bienvenu: bonne nuit guy. où que tu sois! ;-) Dale: good night Daniel. Daniel Bienvenu: good night. talk to you later. I return coding a bit, then sleep. Dale: Bed time for me anyway.
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