BobS: HOWDY pilgrim !!!!!!!! rich-c: hi and merry christmas\ BobS: thank ya and same to you! rich-c: how's life in Grand Rapids this evening? BobS: was christmas turn uneventful
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changed username to <undefined> BobS: sunny today, and a fairly easy weekend coming up BobS: alothough another weekend storm <undefined>: g'day. BobS: gday mate <undefined>: glad to see other people on here. rich-c: our forecast is similar - we did nothing but go fetch milk today BobS: si, but you are not sogned on <undefined>: can't chat right now, but will be on a little bit later (in 30 mins) BobS: signed BobS: OK BobS: hurry back <undefined>: I'll try. <undefined>: This is GuyF by the way,. rich-c: look for you then, visitor rich-c: OK Guy, C U
<undefined> left chat session BobS: anyway, Richard, ........last weekend had 6" snow and lost power for about 6 hours Sun am....all the while us being a little sickly with sinus problems BobS: finally getting over them asw of today BobS: as of BobS: sucks being sick over Christmas BobS: but not TOO sick to get presents and go to the family get together rich-c: think it was about Wed we had our snow, fair bit, about ten inches or so BobS: yikes BobS: you cna have it rich-c: oh for us that was moderate compared to Montreal BobS: we missed out on the heavy stuff, AND the next storm which went your way BobS: oh oh, what did Guy get? rich-c: Guy ended up digging himself out of 26 inches - a record BobS: oh boy!!!! BobS: don't need that rich-c: that matches our all-time high, the great blizzard of 1944 BobS: oh, we had that in '77 and '78 BobS: 2 years in a row BobS: sucked rich-c: that wasw a serious snowfall - took the city a week to recover BobS: yes, that much snow does tend to slow things up a bit rich-c: I went downtown a week later and some streets were still not dug out on the fringes of the area
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changed username to Judy BobS: true rich-c: hi Judy, recovered from yesterday? Judy: Hi, Rich Judy: yesterday was easy, only Doug and Meeka were here rich-c: nice and quiet - Russell had to work so Pam came to us Judy: yes, it was rich-c: that works for us - we don't work as well in large gatherings as we used to Judy: and seeing as Bob and I have not been feeling very good it was just what we needed Judy: both have bad colds BobS: today I am headed UP rich-c: yes, Bob mentioned you had a dose of sinusitis - that can be miserable BobS: was not my worst episode, but bad enough BobS: anytime is not happy, but.......... rich-c: Dr. D. spent yesterday ihn Cleveland with the girls (at his father's place, actually) and went over to Windsor today Judy: we were supposed to be celebrating Ryan birthday tonight but he is sick now rich-c: oh dear, this just isn't the time you want that, especially with a small child Judy: so we may be headed to something worse now rich-c: don't even think it!!! Judy: not cool that is for sure rich-c: I took it easy today, spent much of the time trying to get my computer to work Judy: things will start to get better after Friday that is when I am finished with the cream on my head Judy: that is making me sick also rich-c: there was a very enticing ad for a Dell laptop in the paper today Judy: ah, a new computer is calling to you BobS: ooooooh, got the bug, eh/ rich-c: but when I phoned to check there was just no way I could use it BobS: ???? BobS: oh oh Judy: why? BobS: laptop, keyboard, memory, drives, WORKS rich-c: not partitioned, and wrong file system - I need FAT32 for Linux and the emulator, among other things Judy: just not the machine for you BobS: reformat rich-c: nope - likely have to upgrade my existing desktop rich-c: I am told you can't reformat a drive that's been done in NTFS, at least not to FAT32 rich-c: and then there's the question of setting up partitions and a multiple boot
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changed username to Pamela BobS: PAM BobS: welcome my dear Pamela: yessss??? rich-c: hello daughter, wondering when you'd get in Judy: hi, pam Pamela: i'm here BobS: ok girl, gals you could make it BobS: glad rich-c: the way they phrase it, Bob, it implies even fdisc won't do the job BobS: sounded kinda DUMB didn't it....???? Pamela: Not really in question Bob Pamela: How was your Christmas? BobS: thought that fdisk and a complete format would blow EVERYTHING away and let you start over anew BobS: GREAT Christmas Pamela: good rich-c: I'd always thought that but stuff you see is ambiguous rich-c: I do know that the big deal with NTFS is security so maybe it can't be fully erased Pamela: Judy, I loved your pics - showed them to Mom and Dad yesterday BobS: and just think Pam.....we get to see them EVERY day !!!!!! rich-c: yes, she brought her laptop over with her rich-c: Frances discovered teh Christmas Train and Queen's channel on YouTube - had a ball BobS: on Christmas??? or now???? Pamela: I half thought perhaps I might be able to use their DSL but I rethought it Pamela: last night, Bob BobS: why not???? Pamela: I would have had to reconfigure and it just wasn't worth it rich-c: her lap[top isn't network configured - too mach hassle to move from dialup for just an hour or two Judy: glad you enjoyed the pics BobS: ok gotcha Pamela: so I checked my Facebook on their laptop instead - problem solved : ) rich-c: thinking about it now, maybe she should have used ours to download to a thumb drive BobS: si.........or get a pcmcia to compact flash and get some 1 gig cards, works great as a second hard drive BobS: same as flash drive rich-c: yes, that's essentially how a digital camera works - the computer sees the SD or CF card as a removable hard disc BobS: si senor rich-c: we have a copuple of 1 gig thumb drives but so far the three 265 drives have been adequate rich-c: sorry, 256 BobS: got some of both Pamela: that wasn't the point Dad - I just wanted to be able to access everyone's profiles without waiting 10 minutes rich-c: yes, there's been a bit of a price war in them here, that isn't over yet rich-c: oh, well, our computers were more than adequate for that Pamela: so far the two one gigs that I have have been sufficient Pamela: I have the other one I got a Future shop that I haven't opened yet
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changed username to JudyS rich-c: not surprised, we haven't even taken the i gigs out of the package yet JudyS: my computer went to sleep Pamela: I have all my pics on one and my work stuff on the other Pamela: did you keep it up late last night Judy? BobS: got to store stuff somewhere else, and save the flash dirves for quick flips to computers JudyS: the stupid thing rich-c: at the moment they are now running about $10 per gig on the sales Pamela: which reminds me, I have to move your pics from my work drive to my picture drive JudyS: needed to be plugged in and so it says good night not plug me in rich-c: want to get rid of your "ghost". Judy?
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JudyS confirmed ban rich-c: the ghost is laid BobS: to rest JudyS: I am still here, right JudyS: was just a test Pamela: I went in to get the software for our new MP3 players and it's 8.8 meg rich-c: we always use our laptop on the plug-in to the extent we forget it has a battery BobS: no way mon.......got to exercise the batteries Pamela: so I'll have to download it at work tomorrow and transfer it, rather that waiting an hour or more for it to download on dialup rich-c: we do so inadvertantly every few months BobS: and keep them working BobS: if'n you don't use the batteries and keep it plugged in all the time; the battery will die forever rich-c: but laptops are so slow in power saving mode BobS: tell the sucker to rujn full blast until it dies, and watch the battery meter some rich-c: even in regular it's slow, thing wants to save us from ourselves despite the settings BobS: slow as you go mate rich-c: yes, unfortunately, that's about it rich-c: we do use the laptopo as a portable, but everywhere there's a wireless hot spot there seems to be a power plug too BobS: ok BobS: was santa good to both of you????? rich-c: do you know anything about SATA connections for hard discs? Pamela: Santa spoiled us JudyS: what did you get? Pamela: which reminds me, thank you for your gift, Dad rich-c: you are more than welcome - your mother, btw, has had her nose in the book all day BobS: yup, got to have a computer that will accept SATA, a SATA cable and a SATS hard drive rich-c: seems Nutsy isn't deterred by teh chicken wire so we need a new strategy Pamela: Chapters gift cards, a new MP3 player, the latest For Better or For Worse collection, the latest Harry Potter DVD Pamela: a new holiday tablecloth JudyS: what is chapters? BobS: kind of a funny connection like a usb type a (?) connecton .... or a laptop external disk drive connector Pamela: enough junk food to feed a small nation rich-c: no way a SATA will go on an IDE connector, it's not just a driver thing? Pamela: ruby and diamond earrings and a 20" box chain from Russell JudyS: that doesn't sound good JudyS: nice Pamela: Chapters is a bookstore BobS: i believe it is simply a physical conneciton thing JudyS: I see BobS: think the hard drive works the same way Pamela: a roll of loonies for laundry : ) BobS: but my understanding is that all has to match rich-c: in short, incompatable hardware, no software cure BobS: methinks BobS: email Doug......... dslopsema@hollwdreams.com BobS: hollowdreams.com rich-c: they're both the same prioce, anyway, so it makes little difference Pamela: That's not all but it's all I can think of at the moment Pamela: Oh yes, a new calendar rich-c: no, I was just curious, since I'm thinking of a larger hard disc BobS: think he told me that is is a slightly faster wya to get info......and of course, something new means changing out hardware, so........you take it from there Pamela: a small figurine from one of my girlfriends JudyS: I did well also, so many things, hard to list them all, but would have enjoyed it much better if health was better Pamela: 2 boxes of Girl Guide cookies : ) Pamela: were you sick? JudyS: yes, both Bob and I had awful colds JudyS: and Ryan came today sick, so we are maybe headed for more Pamela: oh dear JudyS: I have been under the weather since Thanksgiving rich-c: that is really not something you need over New Years BobS: RIGHT, want to be halthy Pamela: sometimes it's hard to kick this stuff rich-c: well with a cold, there's no cure for it but tincture of time JudyS: I have just gone from one thing to another, think I need a change of climate JudyS: oh, we are on the mend but have some doing to be well rich-c: even that won't necessarily work JudyS: sounds good though rich-c: I used to find that a whacking great dose of vitamin C speeded the cure a bit Pamela: lots of sleep helps too - nature's restorative Pamela: sometimes taking a day to do absolutely nothing helps rich-c: as lomng as you are able to sleep, which isn't always the case Pamela: treat the symptoms - the treatment usually helps you sleep JudyS: it is not BobS: getting more sleep though JudyS: after Friday I will improve BobS: and drink lots of liqauids....er, booze Pamela: hot toddies rich-c: ah yes, the Mitchell solution - guess he's off with Fell today JudyS: then I will be done with the cream for my face, cause that is making me worse JudyS: that doesn't always work for me Pamela: can you take cold remedies while you're using the cream Judy? JudyS: can keep me awake rich-c: well, it doesn't work for him either JudyS: don't know, but I am not JudyS: don't need any other chemicals in my system rich-c: yes, if you aren't sure they're compatible, tread with care JudyS: I am Pamela: I'm watching the video for Pamela: Thriller Pamela: it's still incredible after 20 years JudyS: we are watching a Flip This House rich-c: what is Thriller? Pamela: on TLC? JudyS: yes JudyS: can't believe what they pay for some of those dumps Pamela: Michael Jackson song, Dad rich-c: around here the prices of houses are incredible, too rich-c: our house would be worth more if it burned down and ws just a hole in the ground BobS: band they calim to get big bucks in about 2-3 months.......RIGHT; if it was that easy, all sales would be flips of housing BobS: claim BobS: I am sure in the right markets, some flipping for profit can be done, but not here, not now rich-c: for the last few years it's been an easy way to make big bucks fast Pamela: people are having enough trouble paying for houses right now rich-c: but what goes up can cime down - and squish you Pamela: without adding another $100K to the price Pamela: what are houses going for in your area Bob? rich-c: well I notice of late there's less evidence of bidding wrs around Toronto - and they were very common a fw months back BobS: anywhere from $100,000 to 250,000 on average BobS: and gong down Pamela: you can't buy a decent house anywhere in this city for less than $250 right now Pamela: and more likely $300K rich-c: not sure what ours would go for - better than $400K, possibly $500K if things broke just right
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changed username to GuyF GuyF: Back... Pamela: Hi Guy BobS: can believe that, but those prices are low compared to what they were a few years ago, are they not? rich-c: hello Guy, glad you finally made it JudyS: Hi, Guy BobS: hi Guy BobS: how's the family??????? GuyF: Had to go run an errand for the wife, took me an hour... BobS: staying up all night again? rich-c: no, ours have just been steadily going upwards, sometimes fast, sometime slowly Pamela: I suspect you could easily get $500K for the property right now Dad GuyF: Family is great... yes, staying up at night, haven't slept normally since the 2nd was born, but in a few weeks/months it should be OK. rich-c: we don't seem that fashionable this month - the hot spot is more Etobicoke BobS: see???? someday you can sleep again....... ;-) rich-c: how did you get to the hospital in all that snow? GuyF: Has the McMansion phenomena hit your area Rich yet? rich-c: right next door, Guy, and it's a huge pain Pamela: yes, they built one right next door GuyF: I could imagine. Been doing research on the McMansion phenomena. It just doesn't make sense building huge homes like that on tiny lots. rich-c: 3000 sq. ft. houses do not fit in to a 1000 sq. ft. neighbourhood Pamela: my parents area is very popular for razing and rebuilding monster houses rich-c: our lot is about average - 45 x 120 GuyF: Well, I hope they don't do it in my area, so far no monster homes where I live. GuyF: Our lot is more square, 80 X 80. rich-c: once the lowlifes get in the neighbourhood is ruined in a year Pamela: brb GuyF: Well, it's up to the city to put up laws against those McMansions. GuyF: But they won't because of the money they can make. JudyS: look at the tax money they will get rich-c: I don't think there has been a week without a house being torn down and McMansion built within our sight for 18 months GuyF: Wow, it's really bad there, just like in some areas of the US. rich-c: yes, we are among the worst GuyF: Imagine being caught in between 2 McMansions... you can never enjoy your house the same way you used to. rich-c: it doesn't take two, Guy - I speak from bitter experience GuyF: Don't people realize that it's bad also for drainage to have too many homes on such small pieces of land? rich-c: you think a developer cares? GuyF: nope BobS: you got that right rich-c: brb - have a bottle of Maudite needs attention GuyF: yeah, give it the attention it deserves! ;) GuyF: Real estate is crazy, it hasn't slowed down here in Quebec, the same house we bought in April nowadays can go for $20K more in our area. 3 new metros have opened up close-by and it has really made prices sore. rich-c: Guy, you could not buy a habitable house in Toronto for what you paid for your BobS: 'how llong before you get to move in Guy?????? GuyF: We are moving in 4 weeks. BobS: cool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rich-c: bet you're looking forward to that!~ GuyF: Rich: I have no idea how people can afford homes in Toronto. In Montreal it's really bad, but then you have Toronto which is like double the prices. GuyF: Oh yeah, can't wait!!! Finally a place to call home, no more neighbors walking on my head, hearing people screaming in hallways, etc... I am sick of living in an appartment complex. rich-c: yes - you could buy two or three houses in Frand Rapids for what our lot would sell for GuyF: has anyone ever approached you to buy your place? rich-c: still, moving in midwinter in Quebec with a couple of real small kids - you gotta be desperate GuyF: Well, moving in the summer makes a home $10K more. rich-c: not in the last few days - those left here tend to be nasty to real estate salesmen rich-c: so they don't come to the door or phone, just send flyers bragging how much they got how fast GuyF: You could sell and get yourself a McMansion here in Quebec. :) Pamela: and if you were in the mood to make a fast buck you mihgt be interested rich-c: Pamela is going to have to start coming oer here more often, otherwise she won't recognize the neighbourhood when she comes GuyF: Out with old, in with the new! Tear down the old homes, build McMansions! Huge homes with no backyard... bleah. rich-c: yes, and if we wanted a seashore mansion in Nova Scotia, we'd still have change left over on the trade Pamela: I always look at them and wonder, why would you need that much space? And who cleans them??? rich-c: trust me, Guy, we echo your feelings and more GuyF: ... and maintains it! Costs money to heat. Some of these places have like 2 or 3 furnaces I hear. BobS: exactly Pamela: does it ever cost - some of these places have twelve foot ceilings Pamela: what do you need those for? rich-c: Yes, next door there's two adults and one teenager - they have a cleaning service comes weekly BobS: everybody is rich except us GuyF: The reason behind the McMansion phenomena is because people don't go out anymore. They want every single convenience in their home. A gym, a movie theater, etc, etc... JudyS: the money is too easy to borrow and so they think that the sky is the limit rich-c: ha! the local McMansions don't have stuff like that, just jerry-built construction with faddy frills JudyS: don't think about paying for it, same as with charge cards BobS: and THAT is why so many forclosures are afoot.........really could NOT afford it and onw have to go bankrupt GuyF: USA is pretty bad, doesn't reflect Canada. rich-c: we don't have the subprime market here, Judy - our banks had to buy the paper in the US to get burned GuyF: We're a bit stricter with our lending here in Canada... To get $195K it was pretty tough and I was stretched to the MAX. In the US I'm sure I'd qualify for $500K. :) Pamela: yes lending institutions are very strict here and if you're a first time buyer it's even worse because you have no equity GuyF: Exactly. I have a real good job, great credit, etc... and like I said, over $200K was impossible to get as a loan. rich-c: yes, a fairly juicy down payment helps convince them rich-c: when we bought our house we put over 50% down - the lenders were very eager to talk to us GuyF: Rich: I'm putting down 20%, not juicy, but pretty decent... Just enough not to have to pay homeowners insurance. rich-c: by today's standards, that's respectable, Guy Pamela: I thought it had to be 25% to satisfy the CMHC GuyF: Pamela: It changed in APRIL 2007, it went down to 20%. BobS: the down payment would tighten up the sales market here, but it is needed to bring the foreclosure rate down Pamela: well you timed it well then : ) GuyF: Yes, I did, I hadn't planned it like that. 20% I have, 25%, no way. rich-c: probably had to reduce it because of the prices in hot market cities GuyF: Exactly, 25% is nearly impossible to get nowadays... Imagine saving for a starter home in Toronto. You'd be saving for 15 yrs. rich-c: I gather Stateside they were giving teaser rates on zsro-down purchases rich-c: yes, we saed fanatically for ten years from two professional incomes GuyF: Rich: There you go... Prices were that expensive back in the days? BobS: lots of zero down, no interest for a while, and variable rate mortgages are killing the buyers Pamela: remember they had 50 Pamela: % rich-c: you couldn't buy a decent car today for what we paid for our house, Guy JudyS: then they are buying over their means and next thing they loose the house GuyF: I'm sure... rich-c: but then I did mention we had 50% down Pamela: any idea what your combined incomes were at the time you bought the house Dad? JudyS: how long have you lived in that house, Rich rich-c: yes, but I don't propose to discuss it GuyF: The house I bought is roughly 5 times my yearly salary... Pamela: 43.5 years today rich-c: we bought it in 1964 GuyF: house I bought was built in 64 too, haha, coincidence rich-c: there was a lot of construction going on then Pamela: they closed one year to the day before I was born : ) GuyF: maybe you can answer me on this one. In 64, was there a shortage of copper? rich-c: we were seeing a bit of a burst of prosperity, despite the government rich-c: there was one around that time, because I remember it being an issue - but out house was built in 1953 BobS: shortage?????? naw, just higher priced GuyF: Just wondering, because some homes in the area don't have an ounce of copper in them for the wiring. rich-c: no, it was an actual shortage, Bob, production could not keep up with demand rich-c: of course this was reflected in high prices, and substitutions GuyF: yes, the aluminum wiring fiasco. rich-c: it was made out to be a lot worse than it actually was, Guy GuyF: Dunno, heard some scary things about aluminum wiring even up to now... a friend of mine was contracted to re-wire the whole house. Not an easy thing,. BobS: just need the black goopy suff on the connections to kill any sparks Pamela: is that the technical term, Bob? BobS: yup, black goopy studd GuyF: problem with the wiring in shrinkage with heat if I remember correctly, so connections don't stay put. BobS: still use aluminum around here for all entrance cabling, becasue of cost Pamela: are you having the house rewired Guy? BobS: that is it Guy GuyF: yes, it's still being used for certain types of connections, indeed. GuyF: Pam: No, our house does not have aluminum wiring thankfully... it's FULL of copper, there's huge copper pipes a bit everywhere. :) BobS: but checking for problems once in a while should keep things incheck JudyS: electric is nice, we were off for about 6 hours Sunday GuyF: We have a nice 200A electrical wiring too... am happy about that. :) 100 or 75A was standard back in teh days I think. BobS: lot of houses around say....1960 had copper drain pies also .....noisy suckers they were rich-c: just listen for noises in teh basement - teh market for copper is huge now and they don't ask where it came from GuyF: Yep, we have copper drain pipes.... saw some pipes next to the roof, was wondering what they were. JudyS: they are stripping it out of places around here also GuyF: Guess I can remove those pipes and put PVC or something instead and make a few thousands in the process. :) rich-c: no, back then it was 60 amp, gold standard was 100 - we went to 200 amp when we went to electric heat from oil GuyF: We have 200A but am still stuck using gas (in french the term is Mazout). BobS: you know, IF you did it yourself Guy, you might make a few bucks with the copper Pamela: I wish they'd wired this place decently GuyF: BobS: Probably! The pipes are HUGE! Pamela: we have the craziest wiring going GuyF: Pamela: What's wrong with the wiring Pam? Pamela: the entire half of the apartment is on one circuit Pamela: the kitchen and dining room are on a second rich-c: I gather gas is still cheaper than electric, certainly it is in Ontario - but that could change GuyF: breakers go off often? Pamela: the third has one plug on it Pamela: the fourth is dedicated to the stove and oven GuyF: Rich: A lot of homeowners are getting rid of their gas furnance and getting electric ones. I might too next winter. Pamela: I only blow fuses when I forget and attempt to run the heater and the hair dryer at the same time GuyF: yeah,. those consume a lot... rich-c: yes, but I'll bet Hydro Quebec rates are cheaper than Ontario Hydro's - and your gas and oil are more expensive Pamela: this place is almost as big as Mom and Dad's place and we have exactly four circuits GuyF: Rich: Exactly... it's more cost effective to heat with electricty in Quebec. Pamela: we now have the resettable fuses in the box Pamela: makes life much easier Pamela: got them after I blew the fuse a couple of weeks ago running the heater and the hair dryer rich-c: it has its upside - your humidity problem in winter will be too mcuh, not too little GuyF: Pam: Yeah, resetables make more sense than those screw ons. rich-c: it's silent, there's no stink, no dust, no explosion hazard GuyF: Rich: That's what I hear... electrical heating make a home dryer. GuyF: Rich: No gas tank!!! Pamela: discovered them a few years ago and used them for the circuit that we run the a/c from GuyF: Pam: Do you live in a condo Pam? Pamela: no a rental apartment Pamela: now we have resettables in three of the four circuits rich-c: Frances complains we pay far too much for our heating compared to gas - but I'm not convinced that's still true BobS: well, you proly don't need a resetable on ein the circuit with one plug GuyF: most appartments don't have very good electrical panels. I think we had 4 circuits in our huge 2 bedroom appartment too. Pamela: that's the one we run the a/c from Bob GuyF: Rich: Well, electricity is safer, easier to insure, etc... Pamela: in the summer we have extension cords running everywhere rich-c: well yes, it doesn't leak and go bang Pamela: we run the bedroom a/c off the single plug in the LR and the LR a/c off the plug in the stove, since it's 20 amp service instead of 15 GuyF: Rich: Exactly.. just for that peace of mind, I'm going to get rid of gas heating. rich-c: we have hydro sources and we have nuclear. but the nut cases have still stuck us with a bunch of thermal plants too Pamela: in the winter, if we need the heater on full, we run it off the single plug in the LR GuyF: go figure rich-c: so our rates are far higher than they have any rational reason to be GuyF: Heating is about $1800/yr the gentleman told me./ Pamela: Dad, can you ask Mom if she wants her hard sauce jar back? BobS: hard stuff jar??????? Pamela: hard sauce, Bob GuyF: hard jar, as in not flexible. :) BobS: shees, we don't have anybody here tonight.....kinda thin on people rich-c: Guy, we paid about $2800 for electricity last year - including heating, a/c, cooking, water heating, etc - we are total electric BobS: only the best are in attendance Pamela: it's what she sent the hard sauce home with me in GuyF: quality my friend, not quantity! JudyS: did you have to work today, Pam on boxing day? BobS: si senor rich-c: your ma says yes but there's no hurry, Pam Pamela: no Judy, it's a statutory holiday here Pamela: thanks Dad GuyF: Rich: One day very soon I'm going to need your advice on Minivans. Planning on buying a used one and don't know much about the good used models to look for. JudyS: did you shop then? BobS: did you have to stand REAL still then???????? Pamela: I go in tomorrow and Friday and am off again Monday and Tuesday
(BobS winks) JudyS: I didn't go out, and Sherri says that they are awful about returns in the stores this year Pamela: well I must admit to not moving much today : ) Pamela: spent a great deal of time online looking at computer and TV prices Pamela: too much humanity out there for me today : ) rich-c: I am no authority on minivans, Guy - though I suppose I could check Consumer REports for you GuyF: Rich: Thought you were a carnut? :) rich-c: I am, but there are only certain criteria - it's ratehr interesting, acvtually rich-c: there have been a couple of our members buying new machinery and asking opinions GuyF: Yeah, was never interested in minivans myself, nothing exciting, but, they are great when you have an expanding family! rich-c: their questions and our answers show how hard it is to make a call Pamela: which reminds me I was going to check CU on TVs GuyF: CU? rich-c: by the way you can eavesdrop, no membership reaquired unless you want to post some backchat rich-c: the url is simply carnuts.us GuyF: I been a few times on Carnuts actually... not reading about cars but about various topics. Interesting talk. Pamela: Consumer Reports - I forget what CU stands for rich-c: yes, we have quite a weird bunch there, haven't we? GuyF: Yes, very educated too... rich-c: Consumers Union, the publisher Pamela: ah, thank you Dad rich-c: anyway, come by often Guy, it can be entertaining rich-c: how long did it take you to figure out which one was me? Pamela: or have you? GuyF: well ladies and gents, I must retire tonight, waking up in 6 hours to go to work tomorrow... Rich, I will see you on carnuts, been looking for a place to have intelligent convo. Pamela: I figured it out right away : ) GuyF: Wish you all a healthy and prosperous new years! GuyF: Onwards to 2008! rich-c: that's terrific Guy, have a good snooze, take it easy, and see you online Pamela: Thank you Guy, and to you and Sandra and the girls as well JudyS: night Guy and have a Happy New Year GuyF: Thank you all, I will let her know. rich-c: meanwhile, hereuse nouvelle annee! GuyF: bonne annee! BobS: AND we too must go to the horizontal position
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