eduardo: Hi! Just testing... :)
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changed username to Pixelboy Pixelboy: Seems we're the first ones to arrive. :) Pixelboy: How's it going, Eduardo?
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changed username to rich-c eduardo: Hopefully more people will come... :) eduardo: I am thinking about getting an Adam. rich-c: greetings, gentlemen eduardo: I think it would be useful. Pixelboy: Hello rich. :) eduardo: Hi rich! rich-c: btw, we start sort-of promptly at 9 Eastern, but... Pixelboy: It's like a party. The real action only starts a little later. ;P rich-c: any old how, welcome to our chat - newcomers are always a treat Pixelboy: Thanks. Eduardo and I are here for a couple of special reasons. rich-c: well, there's always something going on - for instance my daughter was here earlier, so she will be late on eduardo: Let me introduce myself, Eduardo Mello, from Opcode Games. rich-c: welcome, Eduardo Pixelboy: And I'm Luc Miron, executive producer of Opcode Games. rich-c: Luc - oh, now you are really giving me a bad conscience Pixelboy: I'm a friend of Daniel Bienvenu, incidently. He's the one who suggested we should come here.
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changed username to Guy B. eduardo: Overlays? Pixelboy: Oh! You're Richard Clee! Ha! Ha! I didn't realize! It's been awhile! Guy B.: Greeeetings from cold Chicago
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changed username to Judy rich-c: if you still want it I think we can find a way - I'm not moving easily, but I'm moving Pixelboy: To Rich: Ouch. Well, if it's any small conslation, I had an extra tooth removed at the dentist today. eduardo: Ouch... rich-c: hi, Bob and Judy - two of Daniels co-conspirators here! Judy: Hello, everyone eduardo: Hi Judy! Pixelboy: To Rich: Forget about the disk drive for now. Health comes first. Besides, my Adam is at my mom's place. I only have the CV here. Pixelboy: Hi Judy and Guy, BTW. rich-c: oh, as long as I don't have to go out on slippery surfaces, I'm OK. Managed to get out for teh shopping today Pixelboy: So anyway, Eduardo, what's this about buying an Adam? Guy B.: HI Judy Judy: was wondering who they were eduardo: I was thinking that it would be a good idea, to have an Adam around... For testing purposes... eduardo: And of course for some fun too. :) BobS: indeed it would Guy B.: Eduardo, are you into game development like Daniel? Pixelboy: I'm Luc Miron, executive producer of Opcode Games. I'm here with Eduardo for a special reason... rich-c: yes, I still have mine up and running, more or less, I think eduardo: Yes, I am the guy from Opcode Games. Guy B.: Do you do the coding of the games? rich-c: anyway, what did you have in mind, Eduardo? Pixelboy: You know, I haven't been on one of these chat sessions for years.. :P eduardo: Yes, we have an ongoing project for a new CV PCB, with new features added. Pixelboy: To Guy: Check out opcodegames.com to see what's we do. :) rich-c: yes, most such things tend to be bulletin boards now Guy B.: Sounds promising there eduardo: To Guy: Yes, I am the main programmer. Guy B.: I'll take a look
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changed username to Pamela Pixelboy: Our project is to produce a replacement PCB for the ColecoVision system. This replacement will be of the exact same dimensions as the one inside the original CV, but the chips and compoments on this new PCB will be modern ones. In particular, we will be using the V9958 graphic chip (instead of the TMS9928) and we will also add some superior sound chips (in addition to the original CV sound chip). The board will still be 100% backward-compatible with all existing CV games. rich-c: hi daughter, you made good time I see Pamela: yes, was home at 8:56 eduardo: Well, this new PCB will have new features, and we need some I/O addresses for that. rich-c: folks that will have those (if Daniel doesn't) are likely Dale Wick and Rich Drushel Pamela: I'm here, but I'm going to check some other stuff. If you need me, just shout - I'll move back and forth to check eduardo: However we cannot use the ColecoVision I/O address range (80h-FFh), because they are already assigned. rich-c: OK, go get teh wash done and feed yourself ;-) Pixelboy: We are also planning to make it 100% compatible with the ADAM (the Expansion Module #3, to be exact) and that's the main reason why we came to this chatroom tonight: In order to insure ADAM compatibility, we need to make sure that our use of Z80 I/O adresses does not conflict with those used by the ADAM, and more importantly, that it does not conflict with any other ADAM-related hardware that uses some Z80 I/O adresses. eduardo: Then we have the ADAM range (00h-7Fh), but I want to make sure that we don't end using some I/O address already assigned. rich-c: sounds like you need the Adam Technical Manual, at a guess
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changed username to Daniel Bienvenu rich-c: salut, Daniel! ca marche? Pixelboy: hi Daniel! Guy B.: Hi Daniel. We have two of your buddys here Daniel Bienvenu: Hello Bob, Pam, Luc, me, Eduardo, Guy, Judy and Rich Guy B.: Hi Pam, I didn't see you come in\ eduardo: I found a list of unused I/O addresses in the web, but I want to make sure they are really available (like, no import homebrew devices are already using them) eduardo: Hi Daniel! :) Pixelboy: Yeah, we figure if someone's using them for some homebrew hardware project, we'd need to know in advance. Daniel Bienvenu: I'm glad you finaly manage to chat with the adamcon members. rich-c: Daniel, do you have a copy of the Adam Technical Manual? Sounds like it might help Luc and Eduardo eduardo: The addresses are: 00h-1Dh, 1Fh, 20h-3Eh, 40h-4Eh, 50h-5Dh, 60h-7Eh Daniel Bienvenu: I can search for it... it's in a box somewhere. be right back eduardo: I found it online... rich-c: just if you have a copy, that's the significant part eduardo: I think I need just a couple of free addresses... rich-c: but of a download, but if it's all there, I'd expect it to answer your questions
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left chat session eduardo: Once the machine is in ColecoVision 2 mode, I can reassign the CV I/O map to accomodate. That is why I just need a couple of new addresses. Pixelboy: There's also another (different) project I came here to talk about. We'll get to that later... rich-c: just while everyone is here - there is a newsletter (FREE) put out by Tech Republic, a division of CNET
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changed username to 450Guy Guy B.: Hi Guy F 450Guy: ... in case anyone asks, it's my new area code. rich-c: the have occasional stories on classic computers - this week the Commodore 64 - with links rich-c: greeting, Guy 450Guy: hi all Pixelboy: Hi 450Guy. eduardo: Hi Guy! rich-c: you're in an overlay, then, or zone split, Guy? Judy: hi, Guy 450Guy: Hello to all. Pamela: Hi Guy Pixelboy: 450 is in the Montreal area. I know 'cause it's also my area code and I'm in Laval. rich-c: btw they also have a story on the 50th anniversary of LEGO, plus lots of downloads Daniel Bienvenu: Luc and Eduardo are here. Thay look for some informations about I/O ports used on Coleco Adam, and if any kind of special decided where done that uses "not officially listed" I/O ports. 450Guy: 450 is everything outside Montreal... I'm moving away from Montreal into the far reaches of Laval. Daniel Bienvenu: And, unfortunatly, I can't reach the box that contain the tech manual Daniel Bienvenu: ... or it will takes me the evening. 450Guy: Where in Laval do you reside, PixelBoy? Daniel Bienvenu: I cumulate too much stuff rich-c: if Dale or Dr. D. turn up they may have the answers Pixelboy: To Daniel: Don't worry too much about it tonight. There's plenty of time. :) eduardo: To Daniel: Yes, don't worry. eduardo: We just wanted to present the idea. Pixelboy: To 450Guy: I'm in Chomedey. I've been there since last July. Previously, I lived in the far-eastern part of Laval, in St-François. rich-c: OK, one caveat - remember this is an Adam board so we are unlikely to be too technically knowledgable about the Colecovision 450Guy: PixelBoy: Me too... just bought my house 2 days ago in Chomedey. We're neighbors! ;) eduardo: I would like to make the new features available for Adam users, so that is why we want to make sure that we don't create any conflict. 450Guy: Is the SEM ready yet? Pixelboy: The SEM... Wow... Some people still remember that? :P eduardo: Not yet.. :) BobS: typically though Richard, I believe that the ADAM is totally compatable with the CV........just has the additional board to make it into a programming machine 450Guy: Well, I've been out of the Colecovision loop for about 3 years, and I remember back then someone said it would be ready in 6 months, so I expected it to be ready by now! eduardo: Yes, the CV is a subset. eduardo: :) Right.... Pixelboy: Actually, our current project is a new incarnation of the SEM. rich-c: far as I know, the Adam is a Colecovision with a number of parts added 450Guy: ... or better yet, the Colecovision is an Adam with things removed! ;) rich-c: also far as I know, none were changed or substituted eduardo: Probably not. 450Guy: Pixelboy: Awesome, glad to see people are still doing things for the Colecovision. I've been wanting to get back into programming but 2 girls, a new house and a new house have gotten into the way of things. Pixelboy: I've heard that Skiing (by Telegames) is incompatible with the ADAM... Weird... 450Guy: *new job rich-c: don't recall that ever being released for the original ADam Pixelboy: No, I mean Skiing, the CV cart. eduardo: To Luc: Maybe it's trying to use some of the Adam reserved I/O addresses. Or doing funny things with the RAM. Pixelboy: Might just be one guy who had a problem with his cart... 450Guy: Wasn't an Adam, once in Colecovision mode, 100% CV compatible??? rich-c: was it actually released as a CV cart? don't recall it eduardo: I am not sure if the ADAM has a 1KB RAM mode. Pixelboy: Suposedly, yes. Daniel Bienvenu: I find one exception between colecovision and adam in colecovision mode, and it was my fault, so it doesn't count. Pixelboy: Skiing was released by Telegames. I have a copy of the cart here. :) rich-c: I have never found a CV cart that wasn't playable on the Adam eduardo: Since that 1KB is mirrored in the CV, maybe it would cause some errors with the Adam. Pixelboy: Well, anyhow, Richard, you spoke of two persons, Dale Wick and Rich Drushel? Who are they? eduardo: I mean, if you use 7000h then 7400h, those are the same address for the CV, but maybe not for the Adam. rich-c: Dale is an Adam activist from the early 1980s, and host of the adamcon.org website, among other things rich-c: he does a lot of Adam/CV game programming in his free time, which is scarce these days 450Guy: Dale also writes minigames for the Colecovision in assembler. rich-c: Dr. Drushel is a biology professor at Case WEstern who recently married my niece Pixelboy: Dale Wick... Ah yes, I remember now. He's supposed to participate to Daniel's multi-game cart. :) eduardo: Just curious (and please forgive for the dumb question), but which kind of DOS does the Adam use? 450Guy: Pixel: Yes, that's one of the 3 mini-game programmers. Daniel Bienvenu: the minigames cartridge is in progress, most of the job to do now is on my side. Daniel Bienvenu: but I prefer to not talk too much about the minigames now rich-c: he knows teh Adam inside out and had already disassemble the code before he joined the Cleveland Adam Group abpout 1988 Pixelboy: Daniel: That's okay. :) 450Guy: minigame=maxipain 450Guy: for Daniel, at least... :) eduardo: To Daniel: did you create a bank switch capable cartridge? Pixelboy: To Ed: No, he's using a standard 32K cart now. rich-c: Adam has its own variant of DOS, called EOS. In fact it can also be run under CP/M as it has the Zilog Z-80A CPU eduardo: Daniel, you could use our MegaCart (if you want, of course). 450Guy: He created a menu and simply jumps to a specific address depending on the game chosen. Daniel Bienvenu: yes, programming in C a Rom in 4K... but it's not only that, I only had the less votes each time, and this year I don't feel stimulate to continue. I said, I don't really want to talk about minigames... eduardo: Oh, EOS. And it's built-in, right? Daniel Bienvenu: EOS is build-in yes 450Guy: Dan: Well, the Colecovision also is/was the underdog of classic videogame consoles, no surprise there! Daniel Bienvenu: from E000 to FFFF, if I'm right. rich-c: well, all the classic computers had their own operating systems then. Pixelboy: I do have a lot of Adam documentation here... But I'd be hard-pressed to tell you what they are without reading each page... rich-c: that was teh great thing about CP/M, it could be used on "any" of them and code ported among them 450Guy: Rich: A JAVA of sorts! rich-c: don't know Java well enough to be sure, but you well may be right
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changed username to rondefined rich-c: anyway, get the current issue of Tech Republic - it has big articles on the classic computers this issue, and links rondefined: Yo! 450Guy: YoHoRon... and a bottle of rum. rich-c: hello ron! rondefined: hic! Guy B.: Hi Ron rondefined: Hi Guy Pixelboy: Hi Ron. Guy B.: Cold by you? rondefined: is the Force with all? eduardo: Hi Ron! Judy: hi, Ron rondefined: oh yes... not overly, but cold enough....had snow yesterday.... most unwetcoastlike rich-c: we're growing icicles on our noses - how's things on the Left Coast? rondefined: Hi Bob, Hi Judy! 450Guy: Yes, the force of 100KM/H winds that we've been experiencing in Montreal. BobS: hi Ron Judy: you should have been here, blizzard like Pixelboy: Tell me about it... The windows are shaking here... rondefined: who's eduardo? Daniel Bienvenu: we had snow today, it was a wall of snow... impossible to see outside. rondefined: do I know eduardo? eduardo: Probably not. :) rich-c: take heart, Guy, if what we got is any indication you'll be spared excessive snow this time round Judy: all the schools were closed today rondefined: ah.... Ron Mitchell from Vancouver Island - way way out west Daniel Bienvenu: all school were open today here eduardo: I am the guy from Opcode Games (in case it means anything) :) 450Guy: Rich: Yay, I'm lucky. I'll be moving tomorrow at 4:00 PM and don't want it to snow excessively. rondefined: pleased to make your acquaintance sir! Pixelboy: I'm with Eduardo, BTW. 450Guy: You guys dating? ;) Judy: even the city schools were closed rondefined: ok pix Pixelboy: Bia wouldn't like that... :P rich-c: wow, you really got it, Judy - must be lake effect eduardo: To Ron: Hm... no. :) rondefined: traffic on 28th was probably gone right? Judy: don't think so, they had it on the other side of the lake also rich-c: all the guys on carnuts were crabbing about wind and cold, but not snow, in the midwest Judy: and it is really cold, wind chills in the below zero Pixelboy: All Your Show Are Belong To Us. Pixelboy: Show = snow eduardo: Am I the only one in the US? :P rondefined: Nah... we send it east from here before it has a chance to fall..... but now and then we screw up and it falls here rich-c: well, our Elgin, IL member wasn't too disturbed, nor our Detroiter the other way - it was cold and windy in KC but moderate snow Judy: you may have it, in the morning yesterday all snow melted and last night it came back 450Guy: Eduardo: US? Aren't you from Argentina? rondefined: Everybody south of the border accuses Canada of having left the back door open Daniel Bienvenu: you played too many NES games Pixelboy. I recognize this phrase "all your base are belong to us". 450Guy: Eduardo: I told you, been out of the loop for close to 3 years,. eduardo: I am from Brazil. Now living in the US... :) Pamela: Hi Ron rondefined: Hi Pamela rondefined: How you do? Pixelboy: To Daniel: Glad someone picked up the joke... ;) Pamela: well thank you Pamela: and you? Pamela: : ) rondefined: not bad for an old guy 450Guy: Yeah, that phrase looked familiar Pixelboy, but I couldn't remember from where...
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changed username to Meeka Pamela: Hi Meeka Meeka: hello rondefined: Hey Meeka! 450Guy: The Adam was made in Canada therefore attracted more loyal Canadian partisans? rich-c: hi Meeka - our visitors were just lamenting our lack of Americans, so jump right in Guy B.: Hi Meeka Judy: hi, Meeka eduardo: Is that true? The Adam was made in Canada? rondefined: @Rich.... how many members did MTAG have in its heyday? Pixelboy: The Adam wasn't exactly made in Canada. The printer, for instance, was manufactured in Ireland, if I remember correctly. 450Guy: I think so, they had a factory in Montreal, no? eduardo: Hi Meeka rich-c: no. Coleco did have a big warehouse and design operation in Montreal, but no fabrication Judy: have you blown away yet? Daniel Bienvenu: Someone from Argentina contacted me via one of my Youtube video. What I understand is that their money became 1/3 of what it was before and now everything from US is too expensive. And he is looking for some help to build a multicart since he can't affort the money to buy the atarimaxx 128in1 coleco usb cartridge. Meeka: not yet eduardo: Cool! I didn't know that... :) 450Guy: Daniel: A classic case of hyper-inflation. rich-c: I don't remember, Ron, couple of hundred anyway rondefined: I take it the wind bloweth in Grand Rapids rich-c: at one point I suspected we were the biggest Adam group around rondefined: was going to say at least 100, but that was a big club Meeka: very bad storm rondefined: most we had in Ottawa was 76 Judy: that is was and tomorrow night may be worse Pamela: lovely Daniel Bienvenu: I were unable to help him, and he doesn't think about making some money by make a new coleco game to be able to pay the usb multicart. So, if someone here can help, he should answer him by going to the youtube video link. Pixelboy: This guy from Argentina should contact Eduardo... ^_^ Meeka: ya, i heard that rich-c: no, it was way over that, Ron - I remeber our newsletter postage was incredible - so was printing rondefined: right Pamela: with most of our regulars here, let me tell you that I've created a new gmail account for convention news Pixelboy: Anyhow, I'd like to quickly discuss another project with you guys... BobS: shoot pam Pamela: it is Adamcon20news at gmail.com eduardo: To Daniel: I could help, if he wasn't Argentine... :) Daniel Bienvenu: Because of the rain this morning, I were unable to walk normally, too slipery, and the water on the road with the cars going through them without any preoccupation of the people... like me. rondefined: Is that the mail address we use Pam? Pamela: so once information starts coming, please add it to your safe lists Daniel Bienvenu: well, it's this guy : http://www.youtube.com/user/nopochoclos Pamela: that's the address that messages will be coming from Pixelboy: As you may know, Opcode Games created what we like to call the MegaCart. It's a bankswitchable cart that makes it possible to have carts with up to 1 megabyte of ROM space... Daniel Bienvenu: and this is where you can read his message asking for help : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTfXmCoipaw rondefined: shouldnt it be Adamcon20news@gmail.com ?? Pamela: if you have questions concerns or comments, you can send them to me there as well Pamela: yes rondefined: good Judy: we can do that Pamela: I hope to have the first information out within the next two weeks rich-c: ron, we do not put anything usable as an email address in a transcript - the spam bots pick it up within minutes rondefined: I take it we're still talking about the weekend previously discussed Pamela: yes
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changed username to Jack Pamela: by the way has anyone found Murray's email address? eduardo: To Daniel: Ok, I will see what I can do for him. Judy: hello, jack 450Guy: Pixel: We won't tell anyone, promised. rondefined: yep....second rich-c: hello Jack, welcome aboard Meeka: hello Pamela: Hi Jack Jack: is there an AdamCon for 2008? Pamela: there is 450Guy: There should be... Meeka: yup rich-c: yes, Pamela is arranging it now Jack: where will it be held? Daniel Bienvenu: i am from Argentina, my name is Fernando, now i dont have money and time for programming, :(, i need to try to do this cart for my collection not for make money, here i dont have any Coleco Cart! only DKK and Donkey K Jr, original, but i need play other games for fun! i am a collector and a gamer. Pixelboy: 450Guy: I'm just looking for someone who could disassemble Dragon's Lair's code and restructure it to work on a MegaCart. Pamela: Just outside of Niagara Falls, Ontario on June 19 - 22 Pamela: where are you, Jack? 450Guy: Daniel: Sounds like a chain scam-letter! :) Jack: Nebraska 450Guy: Pixel: You're friend Eduardo I'm sure could be up to the task. :) Pamela: well welcome eduardo: To Pixelboy: See... :) Daniel Bienvenu: And that's only the first part of his message. Pamela: are you freezing your tail off too? Jack: thanks Jack: yes Pixelboy: To 450Guy: Eduardo doesn't quite know enough about the Adam to do it, and besides, he's not really interested. :) rich-c: little far to drive, not that challenging a flight - you can go via Buffalo 450Guy: Well then, IDA is your friend... Daniel Bienvenu: ... i have some EEprom here, i try for my hobby to do the cart and plastics case.. here nothigs have interest in old machines like me :( Pamela: are you interested in the convention Jack? 450Guy: Interactive Disassembler. rich-c: just make sure you have a passport or Homeland Security won't let you back in Jack: if I can get off work rondefined: It's now where I thought it was Pam, I'll have to look after the chat eduardo: To Daniel: Well, I will see what I can do for him. 450Guy: Pixel: Since we are neighbors, I can give you a tutorial on the usage of IDA, it's actually a lot of fun. I spent 1 whole week disassembling a 32K game. Jack: Is use to get the newsletter Daniel Bienvenu: ... Thanks for the data, i will try to do the cart in next days, if you can helpme (better) i have to made the PCB and resin cart all homemade :). Pixelboy: To 450Guy: Sounds nice, but I don't know anything about CV assembler. Pamela: if you'll send an email to Adamcon20news@gmail.com, I'll make sure I add you to the mailing list for convention news Jack: ok 450Guy: Pixel: Assembly knowledge would probably be a pre-requisite. Pamela: I was just mentioning that I hope to have concrete information up in a couple of weeks Pixelboy: Yeah, I figure that. Pixelboy: Incidently, I'll be officially starting to study CV programming in C next Saturday. :) rich-c: Pam, that's news at gmail - don't push your luck Daniel Bienvenu: "probably?" to do what Luc want to do, it's necessary to know well assembler. 450Guy: Personally, never thought that programming the CV in C was a good idea. Pixelboy: I'll start by surfing the net and assembling all the compilers and tools available. BobS: I believe that the US has AGAIN changed the regulations for reentry...................drivers license and certified birth certificate eduardo: To Daniel: If you need MegaCarts (maybe for a future Minigames collection), just let me know. rich-c: which newsletter were you getting, Jack 450Guy: ... but some people wrote some impressive games in C, so it just shows that I have no clue what I'm talking about. BobS: UNLESS flying in, then you need a passport Pamela: Bob, you are the keeper of the budget, yes? Jack: not sure let me check rondefined: @Bob.... the politics of the moment no doubt Jack: brb BobS: I guess, what do yo mean by "keeper of the budget"????? BobS: you want ot givce ALL your money? Pamela: well, the ANN budget I guess BobS: ya that one rich-c: well, Bush won't be gone till Jan. 20, 2009, so the regs will stand till then Pixelboy: MY biggest worry about programming CV games is sound output. Graphics and joystick input I can probably figure out quickly, but sound is another matter altogether. Daniel Bienvenu: thanks Eduardo. For now, the only Megacart I can think is mixing Bejeweled with Dacman in a single cart rather than releasing bejeweled alone. atariage like the idea, but the box is already done for bejeweled alone. so, it's on the ice, and I still have to work again on bejeweled and I can't find time for it. eduardo: To Luc: I suppose you already know how much RAM Dragon's Lair needs, right? Pamela: I may need some $ up front to put a deposit on the hotel BobS: ok that is doable Pixelboy: To Ed: Actually, that's one of the main question that need to be answered: Do the levels in Dragon's Lair fit in 16K chunks? I still don't know the answer to that one. eduardo: To Daniel: I see. Well, anytime you need it... :)
(goes to fetch his beer) 450Guy: Yes, our paltry 2K of RAM is a severe handicap... Or is it 1K? I forget... eduardo: To Luc: That isn't really important. The important is: can this port be made using only 1KB of RAM? Daniel Bienvenu: To Luc : if you worries is about the sound format, it's well expain in the coleco programming manual, and I did a "remake" a this info in one of my PDF files. Pixelboy: Yeah, that's another thing. Can DL run on 1K of RAM? 450Guy: Well, one can always use VRAM... Pixelboy: I expect that DL can run on only 1K, but it may require some minor memory usage tweaks.
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changed username to Jack Pamela: what happened, Jack? Meeka: mom: i got all the albums up-to-date now :) Jack: coladam Digest 450Guy: Maybe porting Pong would be a better alternative? Meeka: he said brb Pam Pixelboy: To 450GuY: LOL Pamela: gotcha Jack: I was getting it until Nov.2007 450Guy: Pixel: hehe... make it 100% identical to the original Pong nonetheless and use actual ROM. Wonder what CPU was used for PONG? aN 8008? rich-c: I do know DL is less than 160K, because it fits on a floppy disc Pixelboy: To Eduardo: A nightmare, you say? Judy: that is good, I will have to go check it out later eduardo: To 450Guy: None. It was all discrete logic. Jack: could you repeat the new mailing list address? Meeka: now I just gotta lite a fire under your son to get the ssl working for it 450Guy: Eduardo: Discrete logic generating video signals? Whoa. rich-c: don't remember that one Jack - who put it out? Judy: good luck to that!!! Meeka: i know Pamela: Ron, if you find Murray's e-mail, please send it to me at the news address so I can add him to the mailing list Meeka: but i can always dream eduardo: To 450Guy: I mean, they were using just 74XX stuff, no microprocessor. rondefined: @Pamela, will do Judy: what time do you get home from work? 450Guy: Eduardo: I understand what discrete logic is... TTL. Pamela: Adamcon20news at gmail.com rich-c: you want adamcon20news, it is at gmail.com Jack: thanks Pam eduardo: To Luc: Yeah, sure. You would need to change the whole program. It would be easier to write it from scratch. rondefined: that looks so wierd! Pamela: no, thank you for your interest : ) Meeka: lol, depends on the day. I try to leave work betwen 2 & 3 Judy: I have a 12:15 hair appointment Friday Judy: then you probably won't be home yet when I get done 450Guy: Pixel: I think Eduardo is telling you politely that it is impossible to do it. :) Meeka: not yet Pamela: what does, Ron? rondefined: the address Pamela: yes, I agree : ) rich-c: where are you in Nebraska, Jack? Judy: was supposed to go this afternoon but I cancelled, had Ryan eduardo: Not impossible, but a lot of work. Pamela: takes some getting used to, as well Meeka: the last few days I been working late then gettting doug before i come home so I dont ahve to go back out Jack: Hastings eduardo: Unless you use extra RAM. Pixelboy: To Ed: Perhaps you're entirely right, as the whole game was designed to work in RAM only. 450Guy: Well ladies and gents, the time has come for me to leave... Alas, family duties call. rich-c: don't know that; what part of the state is it in? Pamela: good luck with the move, Guy 450Guy: Eduardo, Pixel, it was a pleasure! Everyone else, see you all next week. BobS: think that Jack is talking about the coladam mailing list that Dale Wick had operational.........NOW not functioning due to an upgrade inthe chat software.....or internet service rondefined: 450Guy.... I hear ya son..... be well eduardo: To 450Guy: See you. :) rich-c: night, GuyF - a la prochaine! Pixelboy: By 450Guy! rondefined: BRB 450Guy: Poof. Jack: yes, that's it Bob
450Guy left chat session BobS: don't work to hard moving Guy..... Judy: was a good idea for today you didn't need to be out on the road anymore than absolutely necessary Daniel Bienvenu: To Luc : I saw your "want to do" list on Atariage. Nibbler is certainly one of the basic game type you can manage to program from scratch as a first coleco game in a reasonable laps of time. BobS: AND, Jack, there is no visible signs of it being resurrected at this point Dale says eduardo: To Luc: Man, you should learn assembly. It isn't that hard... Jack: ok Jack: too bad Daniel Bienvenu: Serge-Eric did a snake game, pkk did a snake game, I did a snake game in my gamepack1 Pixelboy: To Ed: That's not what Scott Huggins tell me... eduardo: Then you would have all the arcade ports you want... Meeka: Doug says that i need to call and set up a slide viewing with you. apperantly in his web research the easiest way to convert is to just use camera to take pics of them projected on the wall eduardo: Come on, if I can learn assembly... :P Pixelboy: To Daniel: That AA post was just some musings on my part. But yeah, I agree, Nibbler should be relatively easy enough to do. Judy: will have to wait until we get home Meeka: ya, there is no hurry Judy: we leave next week Thursday Pamela: for LA? Meeka: i knew it was next week, just wasnt sure the day Daniel Bienvenu: For tweaking to gain some bytes, assembly is the way to go. Even if I did a lot of things in C that prove it wasn't difficult to optimize code and stay in C language. eduardo: Ok, assembly can be a pain to debug, but otherwise it is quite simple once you get used. rich-c: just a guess, but going by the relatively simple instruction set of the Z80A, writing assembly for the CV/Adam should be easy Pixelboy: To Daniel: About the CV sound thing, my worries are not so much about understanding how it works. It's more about how to compose music and sound effects that don't sound like utter crap. BobS: leaving for New Orleans and a 5 day cruise, followed by 4 days of goofing off, then a week workign for Habitat before heading hoem eduardo: To Daniel: if you are creating a game from scratch, I agree, C would be a lot simpler. But when you want to make arcade ports, assembly is the way to go. Pamela: aw, life's rough : ) Judy: if the weather is going to be really bad on Thursday we will be leaving on Wed Meeka: besides I will have plenty to do if I can ever get him to set up the next site Pamela: are you driving? and taking the motorhome? Judy: yes Meeka: no they are gonna fly the motorhome down Pam :-P rondefined: @Pixelboy, there are drivers that will convert a MIDI file to data that can be used by the sound chip Pamela: LOL, that should have been and/or Meeka: i know, just couldnt resist rich-c: just take along a wireless laptop so they can get NOAA when needed! Pixelboy: To rondefined: MIDI, you say? Sounds like something I'll need to investigate... Pamela: I know, pulling tails can be so much fun : ) rondefined: @pixelboy, yeah, get hold of Chris Braymen's MIDIBAS package. Have it here and could probably send you a disk image Pamela: and I deserved to have mine pulled for that : ) eduardo: To Luc: Ok, so unless someone finds something, we could go with address 7Eh for our system control register. Pixelboy: To Ed: Sounds fine by me. Daniel Bienvenu: In the past, I did a midi to coleco converter... it helped me to make the music demo rom that play pacaman and miss pacman themes... and also the "love" music in dacman reused in jeepers creepers. unfortunatly, I lost my converter. rich-c: anyway, Jack, what's your nearest major airport? Pixelboy: And as for Dragon's Lair, I guess the only way it will ever happen is if I learn every last thing about the ADAM, and twaek the software myself. Which will probably never happen in my lifetime. :P Jack: Lincoln eduardo: To Luc: Oh, and please don't go thinking I am against the Dragin's Lair project. I would love to play it. eduardo: I could help, if you want. rondefined: @Daniel, Pixelboy - that would have been better for you programmers (Daniel's utility). Chris Braymen's was written mainly for SmartBASI rondefined: Smartbasic types eduardo: Maybe it would be a good first project for you. rich-c: up there in the high country, then. But I guess you'll have to route through Chicago BobS: check out the hotel thing and let me know as soon as you can, we leave next Thursday am BobS: PAM Daniel Bienvenu: Luc, if assembly and optimization is not something you want to do in your first projects, go for something more easy, and not necessary a remake of an arcade game, it can be a graphic test that became a new game by adding more element one by one and balancing the game play by the same time. Pixelboy: To Ed: Disassembling 160K of raw data would be a good first project? I didn't know you were such a sadist, Eduardo... :P eduardo: To luc: once we set the system to expanded mode, we can redefine all the CV I/O address space (80h-FFh) to accommodate the new devices. Jack: I might take Amtrak if i go eduardo: Come on, it is just a lot of graphic data. Meeka: thats a cool way to go Pixelboy: To Daniel: As I explained in that AA post, my first game will be a simple game of Sudoku. But I would still lke to have at least a few nice sounds effects in that first game. eduardo: I am sure that the main program is quite simple. Pamela: that would work if you could make the right connections, Jack. There's a train station in St. Catharines and the Amtrak trains come right thru from the US. rich-c: OK, there is I believe good Amtrak service from Chicago to Buffalo 'caus it goes on to New York rich-c: getting from Buffalo to St. Catharines is another issue but not insuperable eduardo: Does Adamem run Dragon's Lair? Daniel Bienvenu: @ Luc : if you code by using my kit like described in my youtube video, then you can use any of the sound effect from the os7 sound bank from my web site. Jack: plus my city is served by Amtrak too Daniel Bienvenu: if you code by using asembly, and use the coleco bios sound routine, then you can use again the os7 sound bank. rondefined: @Pam and Rich:: speaking of that..... I'm assuming I'll have to fly to Toronto from the wet coast..... then on to (is it Niagara or St. Catherines). Are there any air services into St.Cath? rich-c: the Amtrak connection from teh Buffalo train to the Toronto (St. Catharines) trains is very poor last time I looked rich-c: but tehre is very good bus service Buffalo - St. Catharines and it's a short cheap trip Daniel Bienvenu: if you code by using eduardo specific sound routine, you will need to use his stuff that convert wav sound to raw data. Pixelboy: To Daniel: I'll be sure to have a look at your kit. :) Daniel Bienvenu: if you use the original marcel de kogel sdk, you can use my wav2cv software BobS: YES, Dragon's Lair runs on ADAMEM rich-c: no major airports nearer than Hamilton, Ron - but Westjet flies there rondefined: ok so Hamilton it is eduardo: To Bobs: I need to try that. I never saw the Adam version of Dragon's Lair. rich-c: and I believe the motels Pam is eyeing have jitney services to both Hamilton and Toronto Jack: the actual meeting is the 19th thur the 22? rondefined: what's a jitney Pixelboy: One side note: I tried running DL on MESS, but I can't set the ADAM driver to accept keypad keys, so I stay stuck at the skill-select screen. Pamela: I believe that St. Catharines has a small municipal airport Ron, however you might be better to either fly into Pearson - there;s a shuttle offered by the hotel, I believe - or into Hamilton Airport which is much closer. And I believe that Westjet does fly into Hamilton. rondefined: ok rich-c: bet that on Westjet teh fare to Hamilton is better, too - landing fees are way cheaper eduardo: Ok guys, time to leave. That was really nice to talk to all of you. In fact I hope to be here next week again. :) eduardo: See you guys next week. :) Pixelboy: I have to leave too. Bye everyone, T'was nice meeting you! rondefined: good to meet you Eduardo Meeka: night Pamela: I will check on that Ron to confirm shuttle service and other ways to get people to and from the airport besides expensive taxis rondefined: Pixelboy.... g'nite eduardo: Bye everyone! rich-c: shuttle, Ron Pamela: good night eduardo, nice to meet you! Judy: night Eduardo
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Pixelboy left chat session Jack: nice meeting you guys rich-c: night, Luc - a la prochaine rondefined: sounds good to me. Haven't decided if I'm going to rent a car yet....might want to take a few days to look around Guy B.: Night Daniel rondefined: not sure yet rich-c: bonsoir, Daniel Judy: night Daniel Pamela: um, time to start taking notes Pamela: gotta find my note book rondefined: How far is St. Catherines from London Ont? Daniel Bienvenu: bonne nuit! rich-c: yes, might be worth checking out Toronto-Buffalo bus services, timetables and all Jack: how soon will there be info on the Adamcon20news at gmail site? Pamela: Jack wouldn't need a bus, the train comes right into St. Catharines Pamela: ron, hang in there, I'm coming back to you rich-c: St. Catharines is down in the Niagara peninsula, near Niagara Falls b- it's where the Welland Canal empties into Lake ontario rondefined: yup Pamela: Jack, it will be a newsletter mailout - it's an email address, not a website rondefined: suppose I could always look at a map Pamela: hopefully the website will be up soon too - if I can get a hold of Dale rich-c: I assume Pamela will want to use it to establish a mailing list - but general news will likely be here Pamela: I really need to get my notebook Pamela: that's what the gmail addy is for - mailing list rich-c: is Dale going to give you a page on Adamcon.org, Pam? Jack: I can be reached at builder734@yahoo.com Pamela: Ron, about 1.5 hours from St. Catharines to T.O., and another 1.5 to 2 hours from T.O. to London rondefined: ok. thanks Pamela: okay got that Jack Jack: great Pamela: I'll have to ask him, Dad rondefined: thinking of revisiting the place where my conscious memory begins rich-c: cross-country Londo to St. Catharines I'd guess at maybe under 100 miles rondefined: back when the earth was flat and Lucan was 12 miles from London rondefined: that sounds better Rich. Was wondering why I would have to come back to Toronto to get from St kits to London rich-c: chased out by those damn Donnelleys, were you? ;-) rondefined: yes.... so the story goes rich-c: they did make life pretty miserable for their neighbours rondefined: by the time I get there I should be speaking a pretty unintelligible brand of Fritalian Pamela: si! Pamela: oh wait, that's Spanish rich-c: I reckon! rondefined: It Itenglish rich-c: italenglish, maybe? rondefined: My son Jeff thinks I'm nuts Pamela: why? rondefined: and he's probably right rondefined: the one trip after the other thing rich-c: kids always feel that way about their folks - ask Pam ;-) Pamela: oh, the three day turnaround Pamela: well, we love you anyway rondefined: actually it turns out to be longer than that Pam... more like 6 days Pamela: and appreciate your willingness to try it rondefined: oh Hell....just tell me where I am, and point me to the nearest bed Judy: the worse it can make you is tired Pamela: I thought you came home on the 15th Ron? rich-c: hey, duck soup - Ron is young yet rondefined: oh sure!!! Jack: bye people....thanks for your help rondefined: that's right Judy....that's about it Pamela: thanks Jack - see you next week, we hope Judy: bye Jack rondefined: Night Jack Jack: I will try rich-c: maybe so, but he'll have a fine case of jet lag plus Italian hospitality overdose rondefined: <grin> rich-c: bye Jack, see you soon
Jack left chat session BobS: nite Jack Guy B.: Nite Jack rondefined: No.... the 13th Pam Pamela: well, Ron keeps telling us that sleep is overrated : ) rich-c: whoof! it's been a busy night rondefined: That's Right! Pamela: Yes, i was trying to keep three conversations going at once at one point Meeka: only three Pam, your slipping rondefined: Think these young bloods need some encouragement Pamela: makes me appreciate that fact that I can touch type even more rondefined: They sound like they can program blindfolded Pamela: I'm outta practice, Meeka : ) rondefined: I KNOW Daniel can rondefined: and Guy Pamela: so much of what they said is over my head that I just kept quiet rich-c: actyually if you do just keep quiet you will learn a surprising lot Meeka: ,e too pam rondefined: they know what they're talking about. exactly Rich BobS: it rubs off on ya Pam Pamela: I realized recently that I'm going to learn much more at this convention Guy B.: I certainly did Pamela: As the host, I'm not going to be able to just slip out as easily rich-c: that they clearly do, Ron - I'm surprised I am even ever to contribute a clue, but at times I can rondefined: yes, you did rich-c: it that whole gang turns up, it will be quite different from our past rondefined: All's I have are good intentions. Makes good road pavement. rondefined: and a half dozen or so unread books on programming in C Pamela: If our numbers are going to swell much, i'm going to need to know fairly soon rich-c: Oh, Bob and Judy - which dates will you be away, again? Pamela: the meeting room will only hold 20 comfortably BobS: Feb 7-25 Guy B.: That should do fine Pam Meeka: we can schoosh rondefined: Can I make airline reservations Pam, or should I wait till the news is official? rich-c: ok, my surgery is on for the 28th now Pamela: Can you give me two weeks without losing your deal Ron? BobS: it 's NOT official????????? BobS: TWO WEEKS !!!!!!!! rondefined: don't really have a deal yet Pam, so yes... go ahead. That'll be plenty of time Pamela: okay (phew) BobS: so when I return on the 27th chat, we will know for sure, certain, set instone, etc ? Pamela: the dates are pretty firm Bob, it's the location I'm still working on BobS: under a roof rondefined: Ha (ROTFL) Bob is a riot rich-c: as in which motel in St. Catharines, with at lest two good contenders Pamela: hotel, not motel Dad Meeka: yse, and with heat oops I mean air :-P BobS: anyhows, gotta go and make me lunch for tomorrow......... holler at me Pam!!!!! Guy B.: Well folks, time for me to go. We'll see you all next week Pamela: a/c is standard, Meeka : ) rondefined: oh ya, that WORK thing BobS: motels work too Pam, as long as a restaurant is near.............. Pamela: I'll send you an e-mail as soon as I've talked to Tracey, Bob rondefined: Gnite Bob, Judy....Gnite Guy BobS: WORK.......another FOUR letter word rich-c: Guy, Bob, Judy, Meeka - night to you all, catch you next week Judy: night all rondefined: Gnite Mrs. Kalabash, wherever you are! BobS: yes Ron Meeka: nightnight
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Meeka left chat session rich-c: so are we ready to fold for the night, then? rondefined: yup, I believe I can feel my after supper nap coming on Pamela: I think so Dad, it would be nice if I went to bed before midnight for a change rondefined: be well all rondefined: nice meeting you Jack rich-c: right, I found out about a new backup program built into XP and want to check it out Pamela: Ron, don't forget Murray for me rondefined: right away before I sleep Pam rondefined: I'll send it Pamela: thanks : ) rondefined: niters all! rondefined: pooooofffff Pamela: gnite! rich-c: it's @eagle.ca I know
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